Mafia Town - GAME OVER (Town Wins)

[EagleFan]

This will be based around Town of Salem rule set a bit, with a few changes that hopefully make it work as a forum based game. The roles used will be randomly determined based upon the parameters listed in the rules section.

If this plays out well I will start hosting more games based upon this rule set.

[EagleFan]

Rules
Nomination Deadline: 2:00 PM EST - Flexible

Vote Deadline: 9:00 PM EST

Night Deadline: 10:00 PM EST

PM Posting: No Direct Quoting Allowed: violators lose their ability for the remainder of the game

Upon Death: No PM'ing to other players until the game is over, you may be revived and you may still get to talk to the medium

Wills: Each player may write a Will that will be read upon the player's death. Details will be given at the start of the game for sending me a will that you would like to use upon death, and updating as the game continues.

Death Notes: Any player that kills another player will have the option of leaving a death note that will also be read at the scene of the crime.

Nominations: For a player to be placed up for lynch that player must receive the number of voted totaling more than 50% of the remaining players. Example - If there are 7 players remaining the player must receive 4 votes. Once a player reaches that total the voting will be over and that player will be placed up for lynch. Example - If 7 players remaining and a player receives 4 nomination by 11 PM that phase will end and the lynch vote phase will begin.

Lynch Votes: Lynch votes will be guilty or innocent, or a player can not vote at all. It takes a majority of votes cast to lynch the the player. Example - if only 3 of the remaining 10 players vote it would only take 2 guilty votes to hang the player.

Jester Guilt: Only players that vote guilty when a jester gets lynched will be options for the jester to select to die from guilt.


Role Split
1 Jailor
2 Town Investigative
1 Town Protective
2 Town Support
1 Town Killing
1 Random Town (any role except unique)
1 Godfather
1 Mafioso
1 Random Mafia (any mafia except Godfather and Mafioso)
1 Neutral Benign
1 Neutral Evil
1 Neutral Killing
1 Any (any role except unique)

[EagleFan]

Possible Roles

Town Protective

Bodyguard - Protect one person each night. If that person is attacked you will be killed but also kill the attacker. May self protect once.

Doctor - Protect one person each night. If that person is attacked you will nurse them back to life. You may select self heal once.

Town Support

Escort - You may distract one person a night. If you distract the serial killer you will be killed.

Mayor - After revealing as Mayor in thread the mayor gains 3 votes (for both the nomination and lynch votes). Unique role.

Medium - May speak with the dead.

Retributionist - May revive a dead town member.

Transporter - Chooses two players to switch at night. Will force any target on one player to be changed to the other player.

Town Investigative

Investigator - Each night you may investigate a player and gain a clue about that player's abilities.

Lookout - Each night may watch one person to see who visits the target.

Sheriff - May investigate a player each night and will be told if the player is evil. The Godfather will not show up as evil.

Spy - May listen in on the mafia's conversations.

Town Killing

Jailor - You may jail one person each night. You may interrogate and starting night 2 you may execute the person that you jailed. If you execute a town member you lose the ability for further executions. The person that is jailed will be immune to attacks that night. Unique Role.

Veteran - A war hero that is very paranoid. May go on alert up to 3 times in a game. When on alert anyone that shows up at his house at night will be killed.

Vigilante - May choose to take justice into his own hands and shoot someone at night. If he shoots a town member he will die from guilt the following night.


Mafia Support

Blackmailer - Chooses one person each night to blackmail. The target will be unable to talk the next day.

Consigliere - May scan one person each night to find the person's role.

Consort - May distract one person each night.

Mafia Deception

Disguiser - May choose a dying target to disguise as (the dying person will show up as the disguiser upon death).

Framer - May choose a target each night to frame. If that target is scanned that night the target will show ups a mafia member.

Janitor - May clean a dying person. That person will not have their role revealed and the Janitor may replace the dying person's will.

Mafia Killing

Godfather - May kill someone, or order the mafioso to kill someone each night. Immune to attacks at night.

Mafioso - May perform the killing if ordered by the godfather and will become the godfather if the godfather dies.


Neutral Benign

Amnesiac - Does not remember who he is. May take the role of a player that dies, with the exception of the unique roles. Gains that role's win condition. Will be announced to the town that an amnesiac has remembered his role and what the role is (not who the amnesiac is).

Survivor - Just wants to make it to the end. May use a bullet proof vest up to 4 times to save himself at night.

Neutral Killing

Arsonist - May either douse someone or ignite each night. If igniting it will kill all doused targets.

Serial Killer - May kill one person a night. If jailed will kill the jailor. Immune to mafia attacks.

Neutral Evil

Executioner - Will have a town target that he wants to get lynched. Immune to attacks at night. If the target is night killed the executioner becomes a jester and assumes that role's win condition.

Jester - Wants to be lynched. Wins if lynched. Also, if lynched that night the jester may choose one person who voted guilty during the lynch and that person will die of guilt that night.

Witch - May control a person each night. Selects the target and a target for that person. If the person selected has a night ability the player will be controlled and target the person the witch chooses. Wins by surviving and seeing the town lose.

Werewolf - During full moons will transform and kill a target AND any player that also targeted that player for something that night.

[EagleFan]

Player List

1) Zinto - amnesiac/sheriff (killed by mafia night 5)
2) timmae - lookout (killed by mafia night 4)
3) britrock88 - sheriff (killed by mafia night 5)
4) Ragone - veteran (killed by werewolf night 4)
5) TBFA - mafioso (killed by werewolf night 2)
6) Chief Rum - godfather (killed by arsonist night 4)
7) cheekimonk - disguiser (killed by arsonist and jailer night 7)
8) Autumn
9) Danny
10) The Jackal - jailor (killed by arsonist night 7)
11) Shoveler - escort (killed by mafia night 2)
12) dubb93
13) CrimsonFox - medium (killed by arsonist night 4)
14) lighthousekeeper - witch (lynched day 7)
15) Ziiggy - werewolf (killed by veteran night 4)

[Zinto]

I am in!

[timmae]

in

[britrock88]

In.

[Ragone]

Sure why not!

[Chief Rum]

So EF, is there something different about this game than our normal WW games? I mean besides individual rules. Did you say you were looking to do a quick game set?

[EagleFan]

So EF, is there something different about this game than our normal WW games? I mean besides individual rules. Did you say you were looking to do a quick game set?

Only slight differences

1) The initial nomination for lynch vote, followed by lynch vote.
2) The potential roles and wills/death notes (which I will detail more when my home internet returns; it is out until Friday as we wait for service after the storm this morning).
3) There is great potential for carnage. :)
4) Dead people can still contribute through the medium. Something I am trying to work out the balance for.


We have probably had games with a little of each variety. It looks like these games should be pretty quick in most cases.

[dubb93]

Depending on a few thing I could be interested. I would like to see how overall turnout looks first.

My one concern is that I could go entire 12 hour blocks without being available and even longer than that being truly able to take everything in.

[Abe Sargent]

In

[Chief Rum]

Sure, I'll play.

[Abe Sargent]

Let me tell you now - you gotta hold that sucker down!

[cheekimonk]

In

[EagleFan]

Will update the rules a bit more over the weekend. Got my internet working again, without Verizon's help. Not sure why customer support didn't provide the same support as customer comments on their site...

[EagleFan]

Added the role split, updated a couple of the role details.

[Autumn]

Haven't read the rules, but count me in.

[Danny]

I will play. I just have to be better about remembering to come here and read and participate

[The Jackal]

In

[EagleFan]

Welcome, just need 5 more and we can set the starting date.

[Shoveler]

I'll join

[EagleFan]

Welcome, just 4 more players and we can kick this off.

[Autumn]

In my will, I will leave my collection of embarrassing private messages from FOFC members to the next person who signs up.

[EagleFan]

Just need 4 more!!!

[EagleFan]

Going to make a push to get this started, just need 4 more.

[dubb93]

If this is still a go I think I actually have time to play this now. My schedule just cleared up. If start is still a few weeks away I may have to back out though.

[EagleFan]

Another bump. Just need 3 more. IF we're lucky we can start next week.

[EagleFan]

May be fun to get a group from here on a game there live as well. The problem that I have with the game there is that it moves way too quickly. Trying to explain logic to people doesn't work.

They have a new game mode that is super intense. It has: 2 town, 2 mafia, 2 serial killers, 2 arsonists, 2 survivors, 2 amnesiacs, 2 witches and 1 complete random. The 2 town are the jailor and the veteran so one can kill if visited and one can kill after jailing someone.

[CrimsonFox]

I have to vote out dubb so I'm in.

[Autumn]

Yay!

[Chief Rum]

I'm hoping EF is cool to run it with two less people than he planned.

[britrock88]

Woop woop!

[CrimsonFox]

I have to vote out SHOVELER so I'm in.

FMP

[CrimsonFox]

I'm in so I can be voted out first.

Reality sets in...

[lighthousekeeper]

is it too late to join?

[timmae]

is it too late to join?

heck no... welcome! We just need 1 more! And hopefully everyone is still with us... woot!

[lighthousekeeper]

i haven't played WW in about 10 years, so I may need to read up a little.

[Ziiggy]

I tried this once and it was insane (as stated - way too fast), so would like to see if it can be translated to a forum game. Even though I'm starting up a game elsewhere (game elsewhere (http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic/60369-werewolf-anyone/&do=findComment&comment=1720574) for any of you who might be interested) it probably won't start right away, so . . .

I'm in!

[Chief Rum]

Bump... if everyone is still on board, we're good to go here. Hopefully EF still wants to run it!

[Shoveler]

cant believe this took a month to fill up..

[britrock88]

Here.

[lighthousekeeper]

checking in

[cheekimonk]

present

[Autumn]

hep hep

[EagleFan]

Sorry folks. With as long as this took I gave up checking in on it.

If we are good (and have 15) we can start soon if that is good with everyone that signed up.

[EagleFan]

Can we get a check in (will check off the list below) and a confirmation if starting on 8/19 is good?

1) Zinto - in
2) timmae - in
3) britrock88 - in
4) Ragone
5) TBFA - in
6) Chief Rum - in
7) cheekimonk - in
8) Autumn - in
9) Danny
10) The Jackal - in
11) Shoveler - in
12) dubb93 - in
13) CrimsonFox - in
14) lighthousekeeper - in
15) Ziggy - in

[Shoveler]

works for me

[Zinto]

Sounds good!

[lighthousekeeper]

works for me

[britrock88]

yup

[CrimsonFox]

so this will take another month to confirm lol

in

[Chief Rum]

In

[Ziiggy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/55/8a/55/558a551a2fe79d33e84f50ea5411db6d.jpg

[timmae]

a-yup!

[timmae]

dola: Rough break brit... the D1 monster snuck up and bit ya. Hopefully it won't occur here as well!

[britrock88]

dola: Rough break brit... the D1 monster snuck up and bit ya. Hopefully it won't occur here as well!

Lulz. It happens. Didn't have too much riding on it, so I didn't mind. But the BGG folks have yet to figure out that there are competent WW players out there that don't think D1 chatter is vitally important or insightful... or that tally-based voting is a thing you can do...

[The Jackal]

I couldn't be in until next week

[EagleFan]

I couldn't be in until next week

With not all confirms yet we can start this on Monday.

[EagleFan]

Would probably work best starting on a Monday, to give a full week so we don't lose momentum after a couple days.

[TBFA]

Are y'all full? Can you use an alternate? I may know a guy...

[Abe Sargent]

Im sorry, but I'm going to have to pull out. RA training begisn heavuly tomorrow, and we have training for 12 ish hours, often with no interent, for the day, and that runs until opening on SUnday/Monday the 30th/31st . Sorry.

[dubb93]

I'm still in but extremely forgetful. Can you send out a mass PM when this starts?

[EagleFan]

Are y'all full? Can you use an alternate? I may know a guy...

Looks like we'll need a replacement.

[TBFA]

Looks like we'll need a replacement. In.

[EagleFan]

In.

Welcome

[cheekimonk]

I'm in. Posted earlier but didn't get on the list somehow.

[EagleFan]

bumping this back up

[Autumn]

I'm in. Posted earlier but didn't get on the list somehow.

It's a conspiracy!

[timmae]

It's a conspiracy!

What are the odds?!

[EagleFan]

Just about everyone has checked in (or out).

[EagleFan]

Sending out the roles shortly. Will post the schedule afterwards. With it being late Monday we'll go with Wednesday being day one. That will give plenty of time for questions.

[cheekimonk]

Sweet!

[EagleFan]

Roles have been sent out. We start with night 1 which will have a 10:00 PM deadline for tomorrow night.

Wills - please PM me anything that you want to use as a will, should be you killed. You may update the will at any time throughout the game, I will delete the previous will.

Death Notes - Any player with the ability to kill may provide a death note that I will read at the time you kill someone. Please PM me that note whenever you would like, or would like it updated.

Immune - The following roles are immune to normal nightly attacks: Serial Killer, Godfather, Arsonist, Executioner and a werewolf on nights with a full moon

Immune Exceptions - Fire kills anything, werewolves kill anything when killing, veterans kill anything that visit them, jailer can kill anyone with execution.

[EagleFan]

Jailer Notes - Please PM me anything that you wish to say to the jailer should you be jailed. You may update that at any time.


For Game Note PM's use the following titles:

(your name) Will

(your name) Death Note

(your name) Jailer Note

[EagleFan]

GAME ON

[EagleFan]

Night One is NOT a full moon.

[EagleFan]

Over/Under on PM clears? :)

[EagleFan]

There may be a delay sometime this week. I literally (just came from the message) just found out that someone who was my best friend from before kindergarten until 8th grade (we went to different schools after that) was killed in a car accident.

Waiting to hear when the funeral will be and if there is anything else being done for him.

[Ragone]

Sorry to hear that EF.. that is more important then the game.. take your time

[EagleFan]

The game will still continue, nice distraction. May just have a day where results get delayed a bit.

[dubb93]

Yo

[EagleFan]

yo

[britrock88]

Hi, everybody!

[Danny]

I'm sorry EF :(

[CrimsonFox]

I attack the Cloud Giants.

[dubb93]

Hi, everybody!

Hi, Dr. Nick!

[CrimsonFox]

rub a dub vote dubb

hey man!

[dubb93]

rub a dub vote dubb

hey man!

It's not even daytime. Slow your roll there a bit, chief.

[Autumn]

I'll be in the rules if you need me.

[Autumn]

So I agree with Dubb that we need to be more cautious with voting than in a typical game. I've never played this format, but it seems that nomination happens as soon as we hit a 50% vote, at which point our lynch is locked in or wasted. So we don't want runaways for no reason. I'm not sure yet what the proper strategy therefore is, but pretty sure it's not vote early and often.

[Shoveler]

I've played Town of Salem a few times when I was first figuring out WW here on FOFC. The format is definitely geared towards playing a quick online game with a bunch of people you have never played with before. I like the idea of moving the format over here as it is fun, hopefully we will find it to be the same.

On that note. Make sure you use your will every day and night. During the day submit a will to EF stating what you intend to do during the night, so in the event you get killed doing whatever it is that you are doing we have some information to use. Then update your will after each night to state what you have found, if it is good, neutral, or bad. Each person's will should start to help flesh out the big picture.

As an example, say I am the jailor. My will would look like this:

n1 - Jailed Ronald McDonald - claims he is the doctor
(n1) - Tinky Winky was nightkilled he was the escort
n2 - Jailed Grimace - claims he is the lookout
(n2) - Hamburgler was nightkilled he was the doctor, Ronald can't be the doctor
n3 - Jailed Ronald McDonald - Executed him

Or something along those lines.

[Autumn]

How did Tinky Winky get involved?

[Shoveler]

All names were changed to protect the innocent

[Shoveler]

And I couldn't think of another McDonald's character

[Shoveler]

Shoot.. Mayor mccheese

[Autumn]

People would have figured you were hinting.

Although maybe you were hinting by not using him!

[britrock88]

Hi, Dr. Nick!

+1 for you. :)

[britrock88]

I'll be in the rules if you need me.

Ditto.

[britrock88]

So I agree with Dubb that we need to be more cautious with voting than in a typical game. I've never played this format, but it seems that nomination happens as soon as we hit a 50% vote, at which point our lynch is locked in or wasted. So we don't want runaways for no reason. I'm not sure yet what the proper strategy therefore is, but pretty sure it's not vote early and often.

And yes. Though what's the harm in some early metas if a player's tally doesn't approach 50% of the size of the village?

vote Autumn

:p

[Autumn]

None, but we have to be wary of a fun run suddenly turning into the end of the voting day.

[Autumn]

Right now 8 is the magic number, so no real worries this early, but at least for me it's something I'm going to have to keep reminding myself about. We typically have several lead changes in a day but it's going to be hard to manage that here.

[cheekimonk]

Checking in. Still catching up on ruleset as I've never played a mafia game - Salem rules or not.

[The Jackal]

Today is gonna be a busy day at work but I shall check in as I can

[britrock88]

Wait... this is a really long N0, I think. Not sure votes are relevant yet.

[Shoveler]

Think this is day 1.

[Shoveler]

Or night 0.. Now I am confused

[The Jackal]

Sending out the roles shortly. Will post the schedule afterwards. With it being late Monday we'll go with Wednesday being day one. That will give plenty of time for questions.

Conflicting information, EF. :p

[lighthousekeeper]

This is only my second WW ever and the last one was I think 10 years ago, so I'll try my best to get up to speed.

:crazy:

[Chief Rum]

Hey just a quick check in. Had some car issues and haven't gotten to work yet (which is where I do most of my WW posting).

[The Jackal]

I'm guessing D1/N1 will actually be Wednesday?

[EagleFan]

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

[timmae]

Hey party peoples! I blame the republicans.... oops. wrong thread.

[Ziiggy]

Hey party peoples! I blame the republicans.... oops. wrong thread.

me too but we digress . . .

This ruleset is going to make things very different than normal I think. For starters, there are way more wolves (mafia) than usual, plus additional "evil" (neutral) roles. iirc in the online games there is usually 6 mafia in a 15 player game (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm assuming that EF is not going to divulge the true #s of evils, neutrals, town, but based on the rule set I assume there are way more evils than usual which means vote tallies could be more useful and volatile when evil has a block of half a dozen voters. In the online game, it goes so fast there is no time for strategizing and more often than not most (or many) players don't even have time to get a vote in - so that helps to balance out the large # of evils. In this format, though, there is plenty of time so imo the mafia has an enormous advantage.

EF, does the mafia have any limit to their evil chat room? I noticed in the Salem rules it says mafia can only communicate with each other at night.

Anyway, should be interesting to see how it plays out. Good luck!

[britrock88]

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

red/bold for effect

[timmae]

ok, read the rules. Yikes... lots of possible combinations. I took away that we have 8 or 9 goods and 4 or 5 evil. At least one kill each night with a possible other kills (WW at full moons and Town Killing and Neutral Killing). We also seem to have either a Veteran or a Vigilante since we already had a Jailor. This could be a bloodbath folks!

[CrimsonFox]

It's not even daytime. Slow your roll there a bit, chief.

vote chief

[britrock88]

hehehe

[EagleFan]

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

red/bold for effect

Sorry, posted that from my phone at lunch. Pain to do the formatting on there. :)

[EagleFan]

To clarify. Today will be night 1 (or zero if you prefer). I messed up when I said start on Wednesday as I was thinking about the first full day for Wednesday.

So tonight will be night actions only. Once completed the next day will begin with the nominations.

Things can get hectic in one of these games. The difference here is that instead of this all being condensed into minutes it will be over a few days.

Definitely feel free to ask my any questions that you may have.

[EagleFan]

In this game the mafia can PM at any time. That way communications don't get messed up because of scheduling.

[CrimsonFox]

aw so we can't vote for people yet?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/teepublicuploadsproduction/uploads/407de630-165d-0131-82c4-3e1b5440722d/darn2_display.jpg

[britrock88]

The sadness in that drawing is really hitting me... it's an existential condition for a poor T. rex.

[CrimsonFox]

The sadness in that drawing is really hitting me... it's an existential condition for a poor T. rex.

And it also causes us to step back and ponder the great existential question of our time:

Who tied the Tyrannosaur's shoes?

[EagleFan]

And it also causes us to step back and ponder the great existential question of our time:

Who tied the Tyrannosaur's shoes?

Mind blown!!!

[Chief Rum]

n2 - Jailed Grimace - claims he is the lookout


When I was a kid, I had a nightmare that Grimace, with a flat top head instead of a rounded head, was standing in my bedroom doorway, looking evil.

Still didn't stop me from going to McDonald's.

[CrimsonFox]

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a3dd38b3127ccef2f326b2452200000030O00CYuGrVq5atge3nwg/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00605955580120130319171425915.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[EagleFan]

What is that noise you hear off in the distance? It is getting closer. A high pitched whistle, the rhythmic pounding of gears, steel on steel as a train draws near.

Oh that is right, the town is right by the tracks...

[timmae]

And a bull moose special. For cripes sakes man!

[EagleFan]

:devil:

[EagleFan]

30 minutes until the deadline to submit your night actions if you haven't yet.

[EagleFan]

tick...tock...tick...tock...

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

You make your way to the center of town and everyone remains.

Day 2 has begun. You have the following deadlines:

2 PM EST - nomination deadline (or called earlier once a player reaches 8 nomination votes)

9 PM EST - if a player is nominated the lynch vote deadline; the deadline for the jailer to send in who will be jailed

10 PM EST - night action deadline

Please send in any jailer note before 9 PM if you want to present your case to the jailer as the jailer may now execute his prisoner.

Day 2 has begun!!!

[Shoveler]

No night kill(s)?

[Shoveler]

Would be helpful to know if anyone was attacked unsuccessfully.

[CrimsonFox]

crap I got doused. My clothes are ruined. These things cost me 5 bucks!

[CrimsonFox]

*swings at shovel and misses*
there, happy?

[CrimsonFox]

kittens, we've got an arsonist in our coop

[Shoveler]

Ok so no serial killer.. How about the mafia attack?

[CrimsonFox]

don't know. they hit the bodyguard/doctor or they forgot to send in an order?

EF, is there a rule about forced random actions if killers forget?

[CrimsonFox]

doctor can you please protect this humble fox?

[CrimsonFox]

hey arsonist, the lookout will see you if you ignite me, see?

[CrimsonFox]

i'll leave it to you guys to solve the game then...

i'll just be a firefox

https://lh5.ggpht.com/8PODwBXKk4L201m4IO1wifRDfbn4Q1JxNxOzj-5TXPJ85_S-vOqntLi7TsVyeFQM0w4=w300

[dubb93]

don't know. they hit the bodyguard/doctor or they forgot to send in an order?


Failing a BG or Doctor reveal...which honestly would be awful even if they did do something here since they can leave a will...what do we do? Assume someone inactive forgot to send in their ability? That doesn't sound like the best logic in the world to me.

I've played a bit of town of salem. With all the night kill abilities going on, if the town screws around and lynches any and all it generally doesn't end well. More often than not playing that game there is no lynch for several days until they have info to go by.

[EagleFan]

don't know. they hit the bodyguard/doctor or they forgot to send in an order?

EF, is there a rule about forced random actions if killers forget?

No

[Shoveler]

We are not looking for anyone to reveal

[Shoveler]

We want to know if anyone got a message about being unsuccessfully attacked

[CrimsonFox]

So I agree with Dubb that we need to be more cautious with voting than in a typical game. I've never played this format, but it seems that nomination happens as soon as we hit a 50% vote, at which point our lynch is locked in or wasted. So we don't want runaways for no reason. I'm not sure yet what the proper strategy therefore is, but pretty sure it's not vote early and often.

now let's not give people MORE reasons not to vote :/

[CrimsonFox]

just going to start putting up people until they talk

ragone

[CrimsonFox]

vote ragone

[Autumn]

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Votes

8 required to put someone up for lynch.

Ragone 1 - CrimsonFox (151)

[Shoveler]

Perfect, thanks autumn

[timmae]

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Interesting... I did have night actions and I learned some items. I'll make sure they are in my will with EF. I think it may help us on future days.

Did I mention I love the use of wills!

Note to all: Make sure you utilize your will. I assume that evil could try to fabricate things but it should be possible to verify claims if the information included is accurate enough.

[britrock88]

Thumbs up, Autumn.

[timmae]

Thumbs up, Autumn.

Any news from last night on your side brit?

[britrock88]

Any news from last night on your side brit?

Nothing noteworthy.

[Chief Rum]

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

[cheekimonk]

Sorry, all. I've been tied up in work all morning and will be for a few more hours at least. Trying to read and catch up.

[timmae]

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

[EagleFan]

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

Today is day 2/night 2. There was no day 1.

[timmae]

Today is day 2/night 2. There was no day 1.

Thanks boss.... where's that BMS time machine?

[timmae]

Hey jackal... what's up bro? Whatcha thinking so far?

[timmae]

vote ragone

Meta?

[Chief Rum]

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

That's right.

So is Autumn still in jail? Do we get some sort of notice of him staying or leaving?

[britrock88]

Meta?

I think it's a summoning vote.

[Zinto]

I need to catch up but I am here!

[Ziiggy]

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.


Good result. We need all the help we can get with so much scum running around. Seems a stretch to think anybody had an inkling about who to protect at this point and that they could have guessed right, but that's what appears to have happened. Most of you have played together and some of us have no meta-history here, does it make sense that Autumn would be double targeted on night zero? Does she draw that kind of attention in fofc ww games? Not doubting the veracity of her claim, just thinking out loud as a successful protection the first night isn't a typical outcome (but I don't think this ruleset will be typical in any way). How does a jailing work? Do either the jailor or the jailed learn each other's identity when someone is locked up? Also, maybe I missed it, but do we know for sure that the mafia can attempt a night kill on night zero? Who else could have attacked besides mafia? Just the serial killer right?

[The Jackal]

Hey jackal... what's up bro? Whatcha thinking so far?

I'm not familiar with this ruleset nor have I played it before, so I'm going to have to keep re-reading the rules. Seems like we've got some hesitancy to nominate people going on here, or maybe it's just inactivity? I'll check in as I can, the other two managers on my team are out this whole week so I won't be as active as sometimes

[The Jackal]

does it make sense that Autumn would be double targeted on night zero? Does she draw that kind of attention in fofc ww games? Not doubting the veracity of her claim, just thinking out loud as a successful protection the first night isn't a typical outcome (but I don't think this ruleset will be typical in any way).

*he

And yes, it makes sense. Autumn is a respected vet so I could see the jailor wanting to protect and/or getting an early read if he put in a will. Autumn is also a very believable N1 kill target.

[The Jackal]

There are so many roles and possibilities in this game, good lord - should be fun.

I think we're just going to need to force some action to get reveals/night actions/etc. No one has said anything particularly questionable thus far so I'm probably leaning mostly random with my vote here.

[timmae]

I think it's a summoning vote.

CF... why ragone?

[timmae]

I am waiting for a few more individuals to show up before voting. Stay tuned..

[Chief Rum]

So we're approaching the nomination deadline (yes, I'm aware it's a moving target) and we're nowhere near an actual nom candidate. And it was suggested, I believe, that in these games, that does happen, and that several days can pass before we get enough information that people feel strongly enough to do the nomination. Is that correct?

And if so, is that the best strategy for us here? We always say here that we want a vote history, and this game doesn't really encourage heavy voting. Is there good reason to adjust our approach to this game, or do we start putting it on ourselves to vote regardless, and let the chips fall where they may?

[The Jackal]

Hm, what happens if we don't have someone meeting the nomination criteria by the deadline? Is there no lynch?

[The Jackal]

Bit of a double post there with CR, but it's something we should discuss. Vote history is always useful, but we do have a bunch of roles with night actions that are going to lead to claims as well.

[EagleFan]

Hm, what happens if we don't have someone meeting the nomination criteria by the deadline? Is there no lynch?

Correct

[The Jackal]

Bring on the bull mooses, I say

[timmae]

vote thejackal I think you know more than you are letting on. Evil would hide any information learned last night while good would come out and explain that you know some information but that it isn't privy to the discussion right now. That and wanting to extend the process is giving me some pings.

[Ziiggy]

So we're approaching the nomination deadline (yes, I'm aware it's a moving target) and we're nowhere near an actual nom candidate. And it was suggested, I believe, that in these games, that does happen, and that several days can pass before we get enough information that people feel strongly enough to do the nomination. Is that correct?

And if so, is that the best strategy for us here? We always say here that we want a vote history, and this game doesn't really encourage heavy voting. Is there good reason to adjust our approach to this game, or do we start putting it on ourselves to vote regardless, and let the chips fall where they may?

Pretty sure it was at least day 4 before anybody was put up for lynch the time I played Salem. I think that makes sense given the ruleset, even with the time difference.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Votes

8 votes required to put someone up for lynch.

Ragone 1 - CrimsonFox (151)
The Jackal 1 - timmae (180)

[Autumn]

I had forgotten the earlier nomination timeline, got busy working. I don't have anyone in mind at the moment, so not ready to throw someone under the bus in teh next few minutes, but I'll look back quickly.

[EagleFan]

Rule clarification.

Figured I would address this hear as I was asked via PM but just in case others had the same question.

Unvoting is allowed in all stages to cancel your vote.

[Autumn]

That's right.

So is Autumn still in jail? Do we get some sort of notice of him staying or leaving?

I'm not in jail, it's a night-only thing, but it means the jailer can choose to execute me tonight if he or she chooses. Apparently you guys don't get any notice of the event, so it's a bit of info we have to be wary of being used as misinformation. Take my claim with a grain of salt at this point.

[Autumn]

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

I would view it as mostly neutral. I assume I just drew someone's eye for being mouthy and they wanted to learn more about me if possible. People just like to use their abilities.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Deadline

[EagleFan]

No one has been nominated for lynch.

The next deadline is 9 PM. The jailer must submit who will be jailed for the night by that deadline.

Players that want a note to give the jailer should they be jailed should submit them by that deadline.

[The Jackal]

vote thejackal I think you know more than you are letting on. Evil would hide any information learned last night while good would come out and explain that you know some information but that it isn't privy to the discussion right now. That and wanting to extend the process is giving me some pings.

I have information from last night but it's irrelevant at this point, will be happy to share if it becomes relevant

[lighthousekeeper]

how does the janitor know that a person is dying? how does he have enough time to help beofre the person dies?

[The Jackal]

Also, I'm definitely not advocating extending the process. I figured we didn't have nearly enough traction to lynch someone today, but as you know if you've played with me I'm a big believer in vote history so to stumble along without it for too long just means we'll be doing random things. What I do think is that with all the prevention/action roles at night, we're going to get candidates filtered that way moreso than votes. But if we're down to a few in the end, votes will always be good to look at.

[The Jackal]

But also, votes will pressure people to reveal. I'll definitely be voting tomorrow.

[Zinto]

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

[CrimsonFox]

i'm never a fan of NOT voting someone out. That just gives control to other teams. And you learn nothing except night kill stuff.

the threeway thing does make this interesting but it's just as important to vote for people. plus the person majed will not necessarily die. we also learn from the guilty/innocent votes like in resistance/avalon

[CrimsonFox]

speak your wisdom, great jackal

[britrock88]

i'm never a fan of NOT voting someone out. That just gives control to other teams. And you learn nothing except night kill stuff.

the threeway thing does make this interesting but it's just as important to vote for people. plus the person majed will not necessarily die. we also learn from the guilty/innocent votes like in resistance/avalon

True. We should have healthy discussions and nominate someone everyday. We don't have to lynch. But even lynches would give the group more information to narrow down the wide, wide realm of possibilities that exists at this point.

[timmae]

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

[timmae]

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Of this is accurate then jackal, Brit or tdfs attacked autumn.

[timmae]

'if' not 'of'... Darn smartphone.

[timmae]

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

I am not a fan of no lynches. The village gets zero info and evil gets an extra night of night actions.

[britrock88]

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

Dude... there are at least as many good power roles that will visit players as bad ones...


Role Split
1 Jailor
2 Town Investigative
1 Town Protective
2 Town Support
1 Town Killing
1 Random Town (any role except unique)
1 Godfather
1 Mafioso
1 Random Mafia (any mafia except Godfather and Mafioso)
1 Neutral Benign
1 Neutral Evil
1 Neutral Killing
1 Any (any role except unique)

[britrock88]

I appreciate that you alluded to your info by asking me a question earlier. But you had already caught my hint.

[Chief Rum]

What he said... I doubt that was mafia princess's wedding they were all attending.

[britrock88]

Heh, despite my indignance, I will join you in putting pressure on Jackal and TBFA...

[dubb93]

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

The game this is based off of starts out with a small group of players and mulitple deaths. Some days there will be 2-3 night kills with villagers having NK abilities, mafia having them, and neutrals having them. You also have so many ways to catch the bag guys like, for example the sheriff and investigator are both seers, the lookout will be able to see people moving about (and if someone visits someone who winds up death it's pretty obvious), you also have like 2 bodyguards, and then the jailor who if you get caught in a lie with him wind up dead.

Bottom line in the actual game Town of Salem if you add lynches on top of 2-3 deaths a night and don't give your seers time to work you wind up with an evil win every time.

It can get bad with the amount of neutrals. If you screw around and end up lynching "good" characters the neutrals will often do their own thing and even when the seer hits you can't get the numbers for a lynch.

There is also the Jestor. The Jestor is actively trying to get lynched because his win condition is to die by hanging. And if you vote for him then he will wind up killing you.

In a game where there could be as many seers as bad guys and twice the number of night kills, it just isn't a great idea to toss around lynches like crazy.

If you look at his ruleset there are 3 mafia, 2 seer types, and a whole bunch of potential killing roles. Blind lynches are bad, but now we have something to go on with the Autumn thing so we should try to flesh that out more and maybe we have a lynch tomorrow.

[timmae]

Dude... there are at least as many good power roles that will visit players as bad ones...

I get it.. Hate it or like it.. It is done.

[Ziiggy]

The game this is based off of starts out with a small group of players and mulitple deaths. Some days there will be 2-3 night kills with villagers having NK abilities, mafia having them, and neutrals having them. You also have so many ways to catch the bag guys like, for example the sheriff and investigator are both seers, the lookout will be able to see people moving about (and if someone visits someone who winds up death it's pretty obvious), you also have like 2 bodyguards, and then the jailor who if you get caught in a lie with him wind up dead.

Bottom line in the actual game Town of Salem if you add lynches on top of 2-3 deaths a night and don't give your seers time to work you wind up with an evil win every time.

It can get bad with the amount of neutrals. If you screw around and end up lynching "good" characters the neutrals will often do their own thing and even when the seer hits you can't get the numbers for a lynch.

There is also the Jestor. The Jestor is actively trying to get lynched because his win condition is to die by hanging. And if you vote for him then he will wind up killing you.

In a game where there could be as many seers as bad guys and twice the number of night kills, it just isn't a great idea to toss around lynches like crazy.

If you look at his ruleset there are 3 mafia, 2 seer types, and a whole bunch of potential killing roles. Blind lynches are bad, but now we have something to go on with the Autumn thing so we should try to flesh that out more and maybe we have a lynch tomorrow.

Good points. This is not a typical ww game as everybody has power and tons of stuff can happen at night and as stated, at least in the early part of the game, we'll get more information from that than we'd get from guess-lynching. Assuming the soft claims are legit we already have more info than we'd ever get in a standard game at this point and we have a solid group of suspects due to everybody and their dog apparently targeting Autumn so as stated, maybe a lynch will be appropriate tomorrow after we see what mayhem the night brings.

[timmae]

Lol, yes. Poor autumn. How many targets does he have taped to him? How many bugs have been planted on him? How many satellites are tracing his every move??

[Chief Rum]

Lol, yes. Poor autumn. How many targets does he have taped to him? How many bugs have been planted on him? How many satellites are tracing his every move??

That would be fun. Everyone in the game (if they are able to target someone with an ability) should all target Autumn tonight. It will be great fun watching EF try to figure it all out.

[EagleFan]

Less than an hour before the initial deadline. If you are jailed you will be told after this deadline. So the jailer has information soon enough, send in a PM with a jailer note if you haven't. This will be given to the jailer if you are jailed. This is even more important tonight as the jailer can potential execute starting tonight.

[EagleFan]

Quick clarification. 9:00 is only the jailer deadline for today (would be lynch deadline as well if there was a nomination). 10:00 is the night action deadline, though the jailed player will not have an action to submit.

[Autumn]

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

Well, this gives us a great start, though I assume it includes at least one good role in there. But having a one out of four shot at finding a bad (including Timmae in there with the possibility that he's messing with us) is pretty good. I think tomorrow we should nominate from these three (because I think it's a better bet to assume that Timmae and I are telling the truth). So if you're one of these three, prepare your defense!

[EagleFan]

Day Deadline

Sending out the jail notification.

Night actions are due by the 10 PM deadline. 10:00 counts, 10:01 is late.

[EagleFan]

Jail notification sent out. It is now night 2.

[EagleFan]

Missed a detail...

IT IS A FULL MOON TONIGHT

(Even Numbered Nights)

[EagleFan]

deadline

Processing the results. Could take a couple.

[EagleFan]

Night 2 Results

TBFA has been killed. TBFA was mauled by a werewolf.

TBFA's role was Mafioso.

A note was found by the body:
"..."

A will was found:
"I was possessed the first night and not in full control of my faculties.
BEWARE there are WITCHES among us.
KILL THE EVIL!"


Shoveler has been killed. Shoveler was killed by a member of the mafia.

Shoveler's role was escort.

A Note was found by the body:
"Without a badge and a gun, what do you got?
A sucker in a uniform waiting to get shot
by me
or another..."

A will was found:
Night 1 - Blocked Cheekimonk - Not arsonist if CF dies to arsonist, not mafioso if autumn was jailed on night one. Can still be Godfather or aux mafia
Night 2 - Escorting Britrock

[EagleFan]

Day 3 has begun. The deadline for lynch nominations is 2 PM EST. 7 votes are required to put someone up for lynch.

[EagleFan]

Updated to add the death note and will with TBFA. Missed in the PM's.

[dubb93]

A witch and a werewolf doesn't seem likely but nice try.

I spent last night in jail.

[britrock88]

Ugh, Central Time!

[CrimsonFox]

jeeeeeezus!
that's not good

[lighthousekeeper]

i thought this is good? mafioso's already dead on the first day

[CrimsonFox]

shoveler dying is NOT good.
i wonder if he died because he was an active player or because he was escorting brit and brit was the target.

[CrimsonFox]

Trying to figure out who killed shoveler.

If the mafioso was killed by the werewolf BEFORE shoveler died, then it HAD to be the godfather that did it.
right?

[CrimsonFox]

also was anyone else doused ?

[CrimsonFox]

A witch and a werewolf doesn't seem likely but nice try.

I spent last night in jail.

right. only possible if the last "ANY ROLE" turned out to be a witch. but the plural makes it sound bogus. I agree it sounds made up.

[lighthousekeeper]

right. only possible if the last "ANY ROLE" turned out to be a witch. but the plural makes it sound bogus. I agree it sounds made up.

that's around 5% chance

[CrimsonFox]

Information:

Blue = claims, red = modconfirmed evil, green = modconfirmed good, brown = modconfirmed neutral
DN = death note info

Roles:
1 Jailor - (Not dubb or autumn) - jailed autumn n1, dubb n2
2 Town Investigative
1 Town Protective
2 Town Support
1 Town Killing
1 Random Town (any role except unique)
1 Godfather - killed shoveler the escort? - DN: uses poetry
1 Mafioso - TFSA - DN: witches are about
1 Random Mafia (any mafia except Godfather and Mafioso)
1 Neutral Benign
1 Neutral Evil - confirmed werewolf
1 Neutral Killing - Arsonist per CF
1 Any (any role except unique)

The living
1) Zinto
2) timmae
3) britrock88 - escorted n2 by shoveler/escort
4) Ragone
6) Chief Rum
7) cheekimonk - blocked by shoveler n1
8) Autumn - jailed n1, attacked n1 in jail
9) Danny
10) The Jackal
12) dubb93 - jailed night 2
13) CrimsonFox - doused night 1
14) lighthousekeeper
15) Ziiggy

The dead
5) TBFA - mafioso (killed by werewolf night 2)
11) Shoveler - escort (killed by mafia night 2)

[CrimsonFox]

did I miss anything?

[CrimsonFox]

if anyone else was jailed or nearly killed, it would behoove you to come forth

[CrimsonFox]

Posts:

Ziiggy 6
cheekimonk 6
Zinto 4
Abe Sargent 3
TBFA 2
Ragone 2
Danny 2

try harder please :P

[CrimsonFox]

eagle, is there a night action order ?
are we allowed to know it?

[lighthousekeeper]

i'm assuming a jailor can't jail themselves right?

[dubb93]

i'm assuming a jailor can't jail themselves right?

The only jailor I've ever seen claim to jail himself was actually a jestor.

[CrimsonFox]

oh yeah what was that thing about people visiting jail? i can't find that.

[lighthousekeeper]

oh yeah what was that thing about people visiting jail? i can't find that.

post 197

[CrimsonFox]

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

hmmmm so what does this mean? jackal/brit can you confirm going to visit jail?
timmae i assume you are claiming something. let me figure out what.
incidently i kinda believe you

[CrimsonFox]

sure

vote thejackal

[Autumn]

If TBDF was mafia then he probably was the one attacking me on N1. Not to say that clears Jackal and Brit, but I won't necessarily restrict my vote to those guys at this point.

[CrimsonFox]

I'd also get rid of the people that aren't posting too.

[CrimsonFox]

autumn did it say who or what attacked you?

[Autumn]

No, I had no clue to the identity. I just know being in jail made it fail.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Vote

7 votes required

The Jackal 1 - CrimsonFox (239)

[EagleFan]

eagle, is there a night action order ?
are we allowed to know it?


The only real order would be escort, consort, transporter and witch actions occurring before any actions which they may interfere with.

The best rule of thumb tends to be, maximum craziness. :)

[cheekimonk]

Posts:

Ziiggy 6
cheekimonk 6
Zinto 4
Abe Sargent 3
TBFA 2
Ragone 2
Danny 2

try harder please :P

I've been dealing, and was diagnosed on Monday, with migraines...on top of crazy work week. I'm pretty much caught up but not enough time to contribute yesterday/night. I'll try harder.

[CrimsonFox]

oh I get it. Autumn was probably only attacked by the mafioso on night 1.
the werewolf could not attack as the moon was not full and the arsonist was dousing me.

[CrimsonFox]

I've been dealing, and was diagnosed on Monday, with migraines...on top of crazy work week. I'm pretty much caught up but not enough time to contribute yesterday/night. I'll try harder.

yay :)
:chickendance:

don't mean to sound like a total jerk (only a partial one) but if people don't talk then we can't figure them out.

[EagleFan]

I've been dealing, and was diagnosed on Monday, with migraines...on top of crazy work week. I'm pretty much caught up but not enough time to contribute yesterday/night. I'll try harder.

Migraines suck. Feel better.

[cheekimonk]

I agree:

1) Probably a good choice not to lynch yesterday (although there should have been more discussion...partly my fault), but MUST come together on a lynch before deadline today.

2) Lynch needs to be outside Jackal and brit (as per timmae's logic).