Survivor: Cambodia

[Racer]

I liked the first two episodes so far.

I think Jeff Varner has definitely been the star so far.

Abi-Maria doesn't look like she belongs on an All-Star season. She doesn't seem to be at all strategic (she told Shirin she was against her) and seems to completely lack social skills. I could see her getting dragged pretty far though particularly if she makes the merge since she has 0 shot of winning the jury vote.

Regarding preview for next week:

Don't like that they're switching up the tribes already. Would have liked to see if Terry, Jeff, and company could actually win an immunity challenge and also see what the tribe dynamics were like on the tribe that never went to Tribal Council.

[larrymcg421]

I like that they're switching from 2 to 3 tribes. They've never done that before.

I'm hoping that Spencer can somehow get a good draw, like ending up with Fishbach and Tasha.

[Kodos]

My wife thinks they are going to 3 tribes to save Spencer.

[larrymcg421]

There have been rumors of fixing the swaps ever since they first did it back in Africa, but I don't buy it. It would be too much of a risk. And I doubt they'd screw over Joe (who was in a terrific spot) just to save Spencer.

[Kodos]

Yeah, I don't but it either, because the designs of the challenges would have to change to accommodate three teams instead of two. I don't think they can do that on the fly.

[Maple Leafs]

Man, I wish they'd have a season where they actually let the tribes breathe for four or five episodes before switching everything up. It's getting to the point where there's not much reason to watch the first few episodes, since everything gets reset so quickly.

Let's hope they don't just do a random draw. Always hate seeing someone's game destroyed because they picked the wrong pebble out of a bag.

[EagleFan]

I like the early mix up and hope it is random. I hate that it is all about the game from the minute they hit camp.

[LloydLungs]

I don't think they've realigned tribes this early in a while, though I could be wrong about that. I remember they mixed things up very early in the bizarre season with racially divided tribes.

I think it's a good move this season because of pre-game alliances and the fact that we, the audience, are already familiar with all the players. In all-star seasons, the more shuffles the better.

[Draft Dodger]

I really loved the way the idol was hidden at the challenge. that was brilliant.

Got a bit of a chuckle in the first episode when Jeff informed them they'd be going to tribal immediately after the challenge. Immediate cut to tribal, where it is now dark. [I know things happen much slower than they appear, but that was still a rather jarring edit]

[CrimsonFox]

*throws this show across the room*
If we have to put up with Abi all season, it's gonna be just like a hantz season. no thanks...

and where was jeff to call tasha out on her crap. you're a 'family'? Last I checked you were 2 tribes and if you had the numbers the other tribe would be outta here.

they must have cut out something about varner. what he did did not look like anything. his tribe jumped down his throat for nothing. such stupid people that are all going to be tossed off the show soon.

It's sad that Varner might be next.
Or Woo. Both are great.

[CrimsonFox]

I really loved the way the idol was hidden at the challenge. that was brilliant.


Kelly and Jeremy AWESOMENESS!!!

[Maple Leafs]

If we have to put up with Abi all season, it's gonna be just like a hantz season. no thanks...

I'm really hoping she's getting so much air time because she'll be out soon. Hantz was at least vaguely interesting. She just awful.

[saldana]

thought it was kinda BS that the new tribe had nothing waiting for them at their beach...they all put in the effort to build a shelter, and some of them had won something in terms of comfort already...to have then start all over while the others got to go back to their beaches and rest, eat, and sleep comfortably was really unfair...was it any wonder they lost the challenge.

im ok with switching things up and the social implications, but this time the way they did it introduced way too much bias.

[CrimsonFox]

thought it was kinda BS that the new tribe had nothing waiting for them at their beach...they all put in the effort to build a shelter, and some of them had won something in terms of comfort already...to have then start all over while the others got to go back to their beaches and rest, eat, and sleep comfortably was really unfair...was it any wonder they lost the challenge.

im ok with switching things up and the social implications, but this time the way they did it introduced way too much bias.

eaglefan suggested that it would have been great if they ALL had to start over.

[Simbo Klice]

Is Joe in the 99th percentile of doing everything?

[Maple Leafs]

Explain to me why Ciera would vote for Savage? Wouldn't that have basically screwed up the bottom four's entire plan, even if they'd been able to flip Spencer.

Anyways, happy to see Cass out. I'm sure she's at home doing interviews into her mirror about how she's Chaos Cass and she's super interesting and entertaining.

[EagleFan]

Explain to me why Ciera would vote for Savage? Wouldn't that have basically screwed up the bottom four's entire plan, even if they'd been able to flip Spencer.

Anyways, happy to see Cass out. I'm sure she's at home doing interviews into her mirror about how she's Chaos Cass and she's super interesting and entertaining.

Her vote made no sense.

[larrymcg421]

Explain to me why Ciera would vote for Savage? Wouldn't that have basically screwed up the bottom four's entire plan, even if they'd been able to flip Spencer.

Anyways, happy to see Cass out. I'm sure she's at home doing interviews into her mirror about how she's Chaos Cass and she's super interesting and entertaining.

I think Ciera knew the plan wasn't going to come to fruition and just wanted to throw an insult vote at Savage. She may be trying to send a signal that she had nothing against Tasha and her problem was just with Savage, thus reinforcing the story she told them about Savage's plans.

The majority alliance was very smart in having Spencer vote for Ciera in the split. Kass's plan relied on Spencer being on the high part of the split so it would've gone down 5-4-4. This way, the best Spencer could do was force a 5-5-3 tie and Kass would've gone him in the revote anyways.

[EagleFan]

That kind of sucked. Was a well timed play by her but they acted like annoying brats after the idol play. That just puts targets on them next vote. Had a feeling that was going to happen when they focused on the "I need a miracle" comment earlier in the game.

[Racer]

I always love a good blind side. Based on the reactions of Kimmi, Jeremy, Spencer, and Joe I think this is very unlikely to be a bitter jury which is great. I can't ever remember that many players who were on the other side of an idol play enjoy it like they did.

Also, if you watch Kass's Ponderosa video she clearly isn't bitter. She just wants to act like a brat in front of the camera (she said as much in her video).

It's tough to know what was really going out there from an hour a week television show but this season most players seem to be playing the game "What do I need to do to survive to the next tribal council" or "Go after the person who wants me out" game then joining an alliance designed to pick off the minority. Hopefully that will keep it from becoming to predictable.

[Maple Leafs]

I don't watch any of the Ponderosa or other online stuff -- did they address why the majority didn't split the vote this time? I think it was 9-3, so a 5-4 split should have been a no-brainer, shouldn't it?

[kingfc22]

I don't watch any of the Ponderosa or other online stuff -- did they address why the majority didn't split the vote this time? I think it was 9-3, so a 5-4 split should have been a no-brainer, shouldn't it?

I think everyone believed there was either no idols since nobody was searching for them.

[Racer]

I think everyone believed there was either no idols since nobody was searching for them.

Jeremy still has one. Both he and Kelley have really hidden their idol well this season.

Savage's Ponderosa video didn't mention anything about splitting the vote.

Maybe they didn't split it because they assumed that group of girls would have played it at the prior council or maybe they didn't split it because of the dissension that is in the group (Fishbach wanting Joe gone and Savage and Joe wanting Fishbach gone). Splitting the vote requires a fair amount of trust that I'm just not sure that primary group really has (they would have only needed two flippers).

[Dodgerchick]

We just started watching. "I grew up watching these guys." I felt so old.

[Simbo Klice]

They should make a game show called "Beat Joe at Random Feats of Skill." I would watch that.

[korme]

They should make a game show called "Beat Joe at Random Feats of Skill." I would watch that.

You could tell tonight it wasn't his game, not his strong suit, and he just worked it out. It's hard not to root for such greatness.

[General Mike]

I feel bad for Joe. I figure there is going to be a week where their is a competition that just isn't his strength, and they get him out that week.

[Racer]

I feel bad for Joe. I figure there is going to be a week where their is a competition that just isn't his strength, and they get him out that week.

I'd like to see what Joe when he doesn't win immunity.

He's an elite physical player and good socially as well. However, I'd like to see him have to fight strategically.

This has been one of my favorite seasons of Survivor ever. There are a lot of players fighting really hard to stay in the game. Gameplay wise, this and Heroes vs. Villains seem like they have been the two seasons with the highest overall level of gameplay.

[CrimsonFox]

I'd like to see what Joe when he doesn't win immunity.

He's an elite physical player and good socially as well. However, I'd like to see him have to fight strategically.

This has been one of my favorite seasons of Survivor ever. There are a lot of players fighting really hard to stay in the game. Gameplay wise, this and Heroes vs. Villains seem like they have been the two seasons with the highest overall level of gameplay.

well then...now you know...

and

BYE BYE CIERA AND FISH HAHAHAHAHA!
BEST EPISODE...EVAH!!!!!!

more brat-abi...and jeremy exposed!

GOGO KELLY WENTWORTH!

[kingfc22]

This season has been really good for the simple fact that it isn't one alliance picking off another alliance. Some solid moves tonight and some very bad decisions on when to split votes.

[Simbo Klice]

This season has been really good for the simple fact that it isn't one alliance picking off another alliance. Some solid moves tonight and some very bad decisions on when to split votes.

I agree, total head-scratcher on the vote splitting but it's been making for some good TV. I thought Jeremy was in the driver's seat and really deserved the win after the first hour, but that changed big time.

[LloydLungs]

As a long-time listener of Rob Cesternino's podcast, and someone who barely remembers Survivor: Tocantins, it has been REALLY WEIRD to watch Stephen Fishbach play Survivor. I mainly know him as the co-host of the podcast I always listen to on the way to work.

From that perspective I'm a bit bummed that everyone seems happy that he's gone, but I do think his experience shows a clear difference in knowing Survivor theory and going out and executing it.

Jeremy is still in good shape with 8 people left and still with an idol, but I thought he was a shoo-in before last night and... it was not a good night for him. Even if next season is a good season it will be quite a come-down from this season, which is just insane. The skill we're seeing cannot be matched in a newcomer season, just no way.

[CrimsonFox]

So whose hand is this...?

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eaglefan thinks it's keith that goes down and it makes sense.
It's definitely a HE as they show abi, kelly, and tasha. and the girls say "is HE okay?"
It also isn't jeremy.

Keith/joe/spencer...
I don't like the idea of any of the three getting hit and leaving like this.

whoever it is, he's twitching seizurously...:(

[CrimsonFox]

Lloyd, I've been wondering why Rob and his cohort Josh(?) have been talking like fishback deserved to win and that everyone else were villains and he was a saint. Now I get it...he shares their podcast. :P

For me fish has been pretty durned obnoxious. granted it IS survivor. But his confessionals have gotten progressively worse. LIke he and abi have had the attitude that they deserve not only to win but that everyone has to do whatever they say all the time. It's funny that I'm totally rooting against jeremy at this point even tho initially I wanted him to do well. I think I always want the underdog to win because the people in power usually let it go to their head.

As for next to go I"m hoping Abi and Tasha are the next ones ousted.

[CrimsonFox]

uh ...oh....

check this out...


here is the shot of an idol falling off...
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It is orange.

The shot before was this...

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Kimmi is orange. In the shot are tasha, spencer, abi, jeremy, kimmi and joe.
joe is dark green...:(

there is a purple and light green off camera. which is kelley and keith.

Now look at the previous picture of the hand. Dark green paint on the base.

And the green flag in the background of both these latest pics indicates orange fell to the left ...thus...

Kimmi dropped that thing onto joe's head????

[larrymcg421]

I doubt an idol hits someone in the head. The injury is probably unrelated. Survivor does that all the time.

[larrymcg421]

Twitter is getting a bit heated between Stephen and Spencer. Stephen keeps mentioning that he trusted the wrong guy and didn't expect his real life friend to flip. I think Spencer didn't appreciate that and downplayed their pregame friendship, which upset Stephen a bit.

[Racer]

well then...now you know...

and

BYE BYE CIERA AND FISH HAHAHAHAHA!
BEST EPISODE...EVAH!!!!!!

more brat-abi...and jeremy exposed!

GOGO KELLY WENTWORTH!


Ciera and Spencer have probably been the two I've been rooting for the most, but I still enjoyed her blindside.

Glad to see Joe be able survive without having to win immunity.

[Racer]

So whose hand is this...?

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eaglefan thinks it's keith that goes down and it makes sense.
It's definitely a HE as they show abi, kelly, and tasha. and the girls say "is HE okay?"
It also isn't jeremy.

Keith/joe/spencer...
I don't like the idea of any of the three getting hit and leaving like this.

whoever it is, he's twitching seizurously...:(

It's a loved one episode so it could be anyone's loved one too.

[CrimsonFox]

I doubt an idol hits someone in the head. The injury is probably unrelated. Survivor does that all the time.

I did think of that . Cause yes they always do the opposite.

But it IS medical. The person is a white male. They are lying on the green.
And I HAVE seen injury previews actually insinuate what they are about.

They definitely insinuate something about a fallen idol with that shot although the orange idol specifically could be a lie.
It is possible it doesn't pull him from the game though.

I'm dreading that it is joe though.

[Maple Leafs]

Just looking at the preview, I'm assuming that challenge is called "Survive having a heavy thing dropped on your head by the person two feet away from you".

[EagleFan]

They probably just started having a new concussion protocol and needed a way to test it out.

[CrimsonFox]

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[Maple Leafs]

I swear, if they give us a season with this much strategy and tactical play and great tribal moves and all this next level gameplay, only to have it come down to "let's just do boys against the girls"...

Well, nothing will happen. But that would suck.

[CrimsonFox]

I doubt an idol hits someone in the head. The injury is probably unrelated. Survivor does that all the time.

yup you called it. I sure fell for it.
I feel silly.
:redface:

[EagleFan]

I swear, if they give us a season with this much strategy and tactical play and great tribal moves and all this next level gameplay, only to have it come down to "let's just do boys against the girls"...

Well, nothing will happen. But that would suck.

That would really suck. They should have voted off abi. I can't deal with her.

[Maple Leafs]

That would really suck. They should have voted off abi. I can't deal with her.
This is really starting to feel like an Abi/Wentowrth/Kimmi final. Abi especially got the classic "big deal at the beginning, then fade into the background" editing treatment that usually means a final three appearance.

I wonder if they'll give away some extra cash on a fan favorite vote this year. Would have to be Jeremy, right?

[larrymcg421]

This is really starting to feel like an Abi/Wentowrth/Kimmi final. Abi especially got the classic "big deal at the beginning, then fade into the background" editing treatment that usually means a final three appearance.

I wonder if they'll give away some extra cash on a fan favorite vote this year. Would have to be Jeremy, right?

It would be Joe for sure.

[CrimsonFox]

It would be Joe for sure.

absolutely joe.

Almost everyone i like is tossed now. I don't think tasha and abi and kimmi have a chance.

geez kimmi, hypocrit much? tis exactly why she narced on monica.

I'm rooting for Spencer at this point. They HAVE to get rid of challenge monster keith now.

that really bites that Joe's body gave out. didn't see that coming.

[Kodos]

Rooting for Spencer, but this is looking bad. I hate the all-girl alliances. They seem to happen way too much.

[Maple Leafs]

Not to go all Survivor nerd, but was Joe's collapse the first time we've ever actually seen the crew? I can't ever remember seeing a cameraman or a boom mic show be visible in a scene before.

[larrymcg421]

Rooting for Spencer, but this is looking bad. I hate the all-girl alliances. They seem to happen way too much.

Do they? The last all girl alliance I can think of is when Kim won 7 seasons ago.

[kingfc22]

Definitely rooting for Spencer now. Just don't see how they didn't go the Abi route after Tasha told them of the potential girls alliance.

[larrymcg421]

Definitely rooting for Spencer now. Just don't see how they didn't go the Abi route after Tasha told them of the potential girls alliance.

They didn't have the numbers. The best they could've done was make it a 4-4 tie.

[General Mike]

They didn't have the numbers. The best they could've done was make it a 4-4 tie.

They could have forced the issue, and it would have ended up with a fire making challenge, which Joe would have won, but I get why they didn't.

[larrymcg421]

They could have forced the issue, and it would have ended up with a fire making challenge, which Joe would have won, but I get why they didn't.

It wouldn't have been a fire making challenge. That only happens at Final 4. Before that, ties are resolved by drawing rocks. And they're not going to risk going home on a rock to save Joe.

[Racer]

It wouldn't have been a fire making challenge. That only happens at Final 4. Before that, ties are resolved by drawing rocks. And they're not going to risk going home on a rock to save Joe.

Jeremy must trust Tasha. He still has one of his two idols that he found. If he didn't somewhat trust her, I'm guessing he would have played his idol on Joe.

[Racer]

This is really starting to feel like an Abi/Wentowrth/Kimmi final. Abi especially got the classic "big deal at the beginning, then fade into the background" editing treatment that usually means a final three appearance.

I wonder if they'll give away some extra cash on a fan favorite vote this year. Would have to be Jeremy, right?

If Wentworth takes those two the finals, she wins easily I think.

My gut based on editing (which could easily be wrong since I'm particularly great at judging edits):

I think Spencer wins. They've continually featured him as a player who is playing differently this time (which plays heavily into the clear theme of the season) and it seems to me at least they've included confessionals or scenes with him where he wasn't crucial to the story - like choosing to show Jeremy's and Spencer's conversation about love ones rather then actually featuring love ones at camp. I also don't think he's been super highly visible which seems like a good thing. Jeremy I think could win, but his visibility has to be super high.

Wentworth could also win if she gets to the end. I don't think Abi, Keith, or Kimmi have any chance based on their edits. Not sure about Tasha. Of course, I'm rooting for Spencer and never been particularly good at guessing the winner, so who knows.

[Kodos]

Do they? The last all girl alliance I can think of is when Kim won 7 seasons ago.

Alright. Maybe they just always threaten to do it. I dunno. I don't claim an encyclopedic memory for Survivor.

[Racer]

Not to go all Survivor nerd, but was Joe's collapse the first time we've ever actually seen the crew? I can't ever remember seeing a cameraman or a boom mic show be visible in a scene before.

I don't remember ever seeing them in the 29 or so seasons that I've seen.

Really amazing to see Joe as a competitor push him to the point where his body actually gave out.

Definitely major respect and made it sad to see him go even though I wasn't really rooting for or against him before that.

[CrimsonFox]

"Will my wee reign supreme?"
--Jeff Probst

[Maple Leafs]

So any guesses on the "first time in 31 seasons" from the finale preview?

I'm guessing we get a vote where Jeremy and Kelly are the two targets and both play their idols, leading to the first ever 0-0 vote.

[EagleFan]

So any guesses on the "first time in 31 seasons" from the finale preview?

I'm guessing we get a vote where Jeremy and Kelly are the two targets and both play their idols, leading to the first ever 0-0 vote.

That would be interesting.

[Racer]

So any guesses on the "first time in 31 seasons" from the finale preview?

I'm guessing we get a vote where Jeremy and Kelly are the two targets and both play their idols, leading to the first ever 0-0 vote.

That's what I was thinking to actually.

[Maple Leafs]

Another thought: If I'm counting right, there are now seven people in the jury, with six left in the game.

Could we be seeing a nine-person jury, and the first ever final four finale?

[CrimsonFox]

So any guesses on the "first time in 31 seasons" from the finale preview?

I'm guessing we get a vote where Jeremy and Kelly are the two targets and both play their idols, leading to the first ever 0-0 vote.

I was trying to remember who still had an idol. Kelly still has one?

And lol which game is abi playing?
10 bucks says she votes for herself to win the million dollars

[Racer]

Another thought: If I'm counting right, there are now seven people in the jury, with six left in the game.

Could we be seeing a nine-person jury, and the first ever final four finale?

I really hope it's not a final four. I prefer the final 2 to the final 3. It seems like when it's a final 3 there's usually only 5 survivors left going into finale night. This time there's 6. So there's that.

[Maple Leafs]

I was trying to remember who still had an idol. Kelly still has one?

I think so. She had one and played it, then found a second one.

I really hope it's not a final four. I prefer the final 2 to the final 3. It seems like when it's a final 3 there's usually only 5 survivors left going into finale night. This time there's 6. So there's that.
If they went with four, it would increase the odds of finally answering the question: What the hell happens if the final tribal ends in a tie?

[CrimsonFox]

If Kimmi and Tasha are in the finals whoever is with them will win.

[CrimsonFox]

hmmmm Spencer, Jeremy, Kelly, Keith.

That would be a great final 4

[larrymcg421]

I highly doubt it's going to be final 4. It's either all votes nullified as you guys described or a final tribal council tie.

Jeff has said if there is a tie, like 4-4-2, they would re-vote and everyone would have to pick one of the top 2. He has not said what would happen if there is a 5-5-0 tie, but it would have to be resolved immediately. (They couldn't let the TV edit influence a re-vote at the reunion.)

[EagleFan]

They are advertising 4 remaining tribal councils so that would mean a final three.

[CrimsonFox]

really want to see Kimmi and tasha tossed.

tasha might get the axe actually. Kimmi is such a nonthreat, nonplayer that is being dragged by her ponytails she will probably be passed up for people like jeremy/keith/Kelly/spencer. Man total lapdog all year.

spencer tho is still in the middle.
i think people are okay trusting spence unless kelly and keith somehow make a deal to oust him for turning on them.

jeremy/tasha are the far bigger threats tho.

kelly will no doubt be gunning for them

[General Mike]

Great season. In my personal top 3.

[EagleFan]

Liked the final three.

Spencer blew up his chances with his actions in that final tribal (the final tribal with a vote). All he had to say is "look at the jury, the majority have been visibly happy when things go Kelly's way, they will vote for her."

[EagleFan]

Oh, what was up with all the tears in the eyes of jury at the start of the final tribal when they walked out?

[EagleFan]

Some ideas for future seasons:

A season with all physical players; to eliminate the "that player is a threat" crap.

A one tribe season. Everyone starts out together as one tribe. Teams are selected randomly for the challenges. For the immunity challenges the losing "team" goes directly to tribal for the vote. If an odd number of players for the challenges and a player won't be selected for the reward challenge, that person also won't be selected for a team for the immunity challenge and thus is given immunity that week as he/she won't be going to tribal.

[CrimsonFox]

what a lame jury.

what was up with berating them about how they played....they all played that way. well some of them

i fast forwarded thru abi :)

oi keith....why are you here

[EagleFan]

I laughed when Ciera asked about flipping. Um...you were the one trying to get them to flip to "play the game".

[EagleFan]

what a lame jury.

what was up with berating them about how they played....they all played that way. well some of them

i fast forwarded thru abi :)

oi keith....why are you here

You didn't listen to abi at all? She actually sounded sane. I was surprised and didn't expect it.

[Kodos]

Yeah, that was a surprise. I felt bad for Spencer, but it's hard to compete with "I'm doing this for my family, for my kids."

[Maple Leafs]

i fast forwarded thru abi
Abi not being a complete idiot at the final tribal was easily the biggest upset of the season, maybe of all time.

(Luckily, we still had "Pay Attention To Me" Cass to pick up the slack.)

[Bisbo]

Spencer's "I'm going to do everything in my power to convince the jury to vote against you" was flat out dumb, and what made the final vote unanimous IMO. As EagleFan said, he could have made the same point in a much more subtle fashion.

[EagleFan]

Abi not being a complete idiot at the final tribal was easily the biggest upset of the season, maybe of all time.

(Luckily, we still had "Pay Attention To Me" Cass to pick up the slack.)

Abi walked up there and I thought "here we go" and then she started talking and I thought "who the hell is that?". Maybe she has a sane twin sister.

[Maple Leafs]

Spencer's "I'm going to do everything in my power to convince the jury to vote against you" was flat out dumb, and what made the final vote unanimous IMO. As EagleFan said, he could have made the same point in a much more subtle fashion.
I think it's actually a great strategy that should be used more often... in private. Doing it that aggressively in front of the jury felt like a panic move.

But yeah, I'd be pulling people aside and saying "Look, just so you know, if you blindside me I'm going to make sure my jury question is about all those racist jokes you told me." And when the person says "I never told any racist jokes" I'd just lean in and whisper "But they don't know that".

[EagleFan]

I think it's actually a great strategy that should be used more often... in private. Doing it that aggressively in front of the jury felt like a panic move.

But yeah, I'd be pulling people aside and saying "Look, just so you know, if you blindside me I'm going to make sure my jury question is about all those racist jokes you told me." And when the person says "I never told any racist jokes" I'd just lean in and whisper "But they don't know that".

The strategy is one thing, but not in front of the jury like that. He went full tilt.

[EagleFan]

dola: and I think Jeremy knew that when he made his statement that he was making his decision based on "who he thought he could beat now."

[Maple Leafs]

dola: and I think Jeremy knew that when he made his statement that he was making his decision based on "who he thought he could beat now."
Well, but if that's what Jeremy was basing his decision on, then the strategy kind of worked. It may have killed his chances at winning it all, but it got him a share of second place instead of fourth.

[Maple Leafs]

Did anyone get the feeling that the "0-0" vote was kind of a clustermess, even for the producers and Jeff? It seemed pretty clear that none of the players knew what the rules actually were.

It just seemed weird how it was explained. They were like "Well, does anybody want to revote? No? Nobody does? OK, in that case Keith you're completely screwed." The look on his face at that moment was classic (surpassed only by the extended scene of Jeremy trying to get his attention).

[Draft Dodger]

just finally watched the finale. A very sold season. Someone else mentioned it above, but it was really refreshing to see people changing up the voting rather than the long alliance grind.

also loved hiding the idols at the camp and especially in challenges. that was a great idea that I assume will continue.