NFL Week 8

[Abe Sargent]

Who do you have for tonight's game?

[spleen1015]

Phins!

[Grover]

Pats 37-14.

Dolphins have looked pretty damn good, but against Tennessee and Houston. Tom Teriffic brings Campbell back down to Earth.

[Butter]

Mini-Patriots 24
Dolphins 14

[spleen1015]

I think the Patriots win by a bunch, but I hope the Dolphins win.

[flere-imsaho]

Who do you have for tonight's game?

Leeds over Blackburn.

[BishopMVP]

Pats 37-14.

Dolphins have looked pretty damn good, but against Tennessee and Houston. Tom Teriffic brings Campbell back down to Earth.Outside of attitude, the one concrete change Campbell has made is actually handing the ball to Lamar Miller. I think the Pats win but the game stays close.

[BishopMVP]

Joseph Randle of Dallas Cowboys facing discipline for violating personal conduct policy (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14000034/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-facing-discipline-violating-personal-conduct-policy)

How are we just hearing about this now?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Joseph Randle of Dallas Cowboys facing discipline for violating personal conduct policy (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14000034/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-facing-discipline-violating-personal-conduct-policy)

How are we just hearing about this now?

Umm ...

from Feb
Dallas Cowboys running back Joseph Randle arrested again (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12278392/dallas-cowboys-running-back-joseph-randle-arrested-again)

edit to add: And, as I thought ... I posted the story in the off-season thread here as well
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2997909&postcount=610

[Abe Sargent]

I would love a Phins win here.

[BishopMVP]

Umm ...

from Feb
Dallas Cowboys running back Joseph Randle arrested again (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12278392/dallas-cowboys-running-back-joseph-randle-arrested-again)

edit to add: And, as I thought ... I posted the story in the off-season thread here as well
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - 2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2997909&postcount=610)Hmm, I vaguely remember that, just have him on a fantasy team and don't recall anyone mentioning that the NFL was still investigating that. I guess alleged domestic abuse (sans video) just doesn't stand out like stealing cologne does.

[EagleFan]

Hardy and Randle, perfect together.

[Julio Riddols]

I think Miami will play well tonight, but ultimately they will lose a shootout. I think 38-27 or something in that vein is about what I would expect.

[Dutch]

Hmmm, Bill Bilicheck vs dude who doesn't know how to call timeouts....

Miami 27, NE 17

[BishopMVP]

Hardy and Randle, perfect together.Hey, Greg Hardy's been "a model citizen" who they want to sign to a long-term deal. :popcorn:

(and I'm a little surprised you skipped throwing Dez in there as well)

[SirFozzie]

Good start so far

edit: We have GRONKage

[SirFozzie]

Dola: Well, that was.. um.. certainly something by the Dolphins.

[Galaril]

How the f' is Tannehill a starting Qb in the NFL for what three years now!?

[sabotai]

I think you have to put a good amount of blame for the pick from Tanneehill on the receiver. He's supposed to be running an out route, makes his cut at the 36 yard line but ends up at the 41 when the ball is picked. That's not how you run an out route.

[cuervo72]

This is riveting. Pats games have as much suspense as seeing if Gilligan gets off the island.

[SirFozzie]

You have to play like the Pats to beat the Pats. Throw accurate 10-15 yard passes. Run only enough to keep the defense honest

[SirFozzie]

Kinda says something when Pats fans are actively grumpy about the first half offense... and they scored 19 points.

[EagleFan]

Miami got away from what got them here? Where exactly is here?

[cuervo72]

Heh. Yeah, caught that too.

[EagleFan]

A Miami touchdown drive here could make this a bit more interesting.

[cuervo72]

EagleFan, they're not getting off the island.

[SirFozzie]

Hurry Up mode, up 22 with 9:00 to play? I joked about the NFL upping their claims in DeflateGate this week pissing the pats off even more.. but apparently Eff You Mode is fully engaged.

[EagleFan]

EagleFan, they're not getting off the island.

Deep down I knew... if only they weren't tricked by George Barkley.

[EagleFan]

Hurry Up mode, up 22 with 9:00 to play? I joked about the NFL upping their claims in DeflateGate this week pissing the pats off even more.. but apparently Eff You Mode is fully engaged.

Sort of like OJ Simpson acting pissed off that he was accused of something...

[cuervo72]

Rooting for the Pats seems like rooting for the Red Army.

[EagleFan]

Rooting for the Pats seems like rooting for the Red Army.

That's an insult to the Red Army... :D

[cuervo72]

Like rooting for the zombies?

[SirFozzie]

Nikolai Volkoff sings the Russian National Athem - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVU-sjy5_4)

[cuervo72]

Like rooting for Watson.

[BishopMVP]

How the f' is Tannehill a starting Qb in the NFL for what three years now!?Tannehill's not bad. He was hamstrung by bad offensive coordinator's some, but he's still accurate and not too dumb. I don't buy him making that jump to top 10 QB, but he's easily a top 32 guy.

[flere-imsaho]

You have to play like the Pats to beat the Pats. Throw accurate 10-15 yard passes. Run only enough to keep the defense honest

It's not that. I'm stealing this from elsewhere (I think Grantland), but the Patriots simply iterate faster than any other team in the NFL. If one thing doesn't work, they try the next thing, if that doesn't work they try another variation, etc....

Your chances boil down to either a) do something they simply can't counter (like obliterate the O-Line and give Brady literally no time with the ball or b) try to iterate faster than the Patriots while also committing no mistakes.

The way they're playing right now (which can't last, IMO), it's just really, really tough.

[Abe Sargent]

The Jags haven't had a receiver with 1000 yards in a season since Jimmy Smith in 2005. As of 7 games, they have two at 500+, and could have two this year! :0

[Galaril]

It's not that. I'm stealing this from elsewhere (I think Grantland), but the Patriots simply iterate faster than any other team in the NFL. If one thing doesn't work, they try the next thing, if that doesn't work they try another variation, etc....

Your chances boil down to either a) do something they simply can't counter (like obliterate the O-Line and give Brady literally no time with the ball or b) try to iterate faster than the Patriots while also committing no mistakes.

The way they're playing right now (which can't last, IMO), it's just really, really tough.

I think this is more accurate. The Pats are definitely the top of the hill especially on the passing side of the offense right now but they are hardly obliterating opponents like back in 2007. They are beatable but only by a handful of teams and only on the road. I think even this early if they get home field in the playoffs they are easily going to run to the SB. I think if they have to play on the road against a very good defense they can be tripped up. That being said and looking at their schedule they may have two losses on the remaining games of their schedule. I think Denver and Cincy wind up with at least 3 losses so......

[SteveMax58]

Man I hope I'm wrong but I can see the Giants getting embarrassed (again) by the Saints this week.

[Kodos]

Hopefully the Pats are peaking too early.

[BillJasper]

Cameron Wake’s Achilles is torn, out for the season | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/30/cameron-wakes-achilles-is-torn-out-for-the-season/)

That sucks.

[Thomkal]

Man I hope I'm wrong but I can see the Giants getting embarrassed (again) by the Saints this week.

Yeah which Saints are they gonna face-first few weeks or last couple?

[SteveMax58]

Yeah which Saints are they gonna face-first few weeks or last couple?

I kinda feel like the Saints are closer to the last few weeks than the first few. But it seems the Giants are great at making mediocre QBs look solid, so that worries me if Brees is actually getting his rhythm back.

And that also scares me as the Giants have absolutely no passrush. Like they might as well stop trying and just drop everybody into coverage. Plus Prince is still out I think so they are not much better at covering as they are at passrushing.

Add in the bad offensive showings they've had the past 2 weeks (Dallas score was deceptive...they did nothing offensively vs Dallas or Philly) and things could get awfully messy, awfully quickly for the G-men.

[sabotai]

Man I hope I'm wrong but I can see the Giants getting embarrassed (again) by the Saints this week.

With the way the Giants have been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans and Tampa Bay embarrassed them in the next two weeks, but somehow end up beating New England in week 10.

[BishopMVP]

With the way the Giants have been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans and Tampa Bay embarrassed them in the next two weeks, but somehow end up beating New England in week 10.The way they've been playing this year, or basically since Eli entered the league? :)

[SteveMax58]

With the way the Giants have been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans and Tampa Bay embarrassed them in the next two weeks, but somehow end up beating New England in week 10.

The way they've been playing this year, or basically since Eli entered the league? :)

Lol yeah agree on both. :lol:

I'll be at the Bucs/Giants game. I'm just hoping there is no doubt which team is using a rookie QB when I leave that game.

[Chief Rum]

With the way the Giants have been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans and Tampa Bay embarrassed them in the next two weeks, but somehow end up beating New England in week 10.

I will actually be in the stadium that day. If it happens there, I will laugh my ass off.

[Thomkal]

Sorry Australia/Rugby fans:

49ers Promote RB Kendall Gaskins to Active Roster, Waive RB Jarryd Hayne (http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Promote-RB-Kendall-Gaskins-to-Active-Roster-Waive-RB-Jarryd-Hayne/a1c25261-3aee-4e68-b918-a18670ad28e0?sf14756258=1)

[Vince, Pt. II]

Really don't understand that move, to be honest. He's shown flashes of brilliance, and the team honestly doesn't have much to be happy about. I know they may need the roster spot with Hyde unavailable due to the stress fracture, but he's arguably the most visible player on the team in terms of a positive light.

That being said, he sucks at blocking and has trouble holding on to the ball, so hard to argue about getting rid of him outside of that.

[RomaGoth]

Wow, the Lions are terrible. Not sure how Jim Caldwell is still employed after this week, let alone this season.

[EagleFan]

Lions offense playing as if their coordinator's name is Jim Bob Cooter...

[Thomkal]

Let's go Cards!

[RomaGoth]

You can't give up 45 points to a Chiefs team led by Alex Smith and keep your job.

I fully expect Caldwell to be fired sometime in 2018 per the Ford family mantra. Too bad the ownership can't be fired too.

[bhlloy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Lions offensive coordinator wasn't the only problem there.

[SirFozzie]

Looks like Bell is seriously interested for the Steelers

[kingfc22]

Looks like Bell is seriously interested for the Steelers

Yea. That looks like a season ender.

[Butter]

Dalton looking Dalton-esque.

He's not getting any time, but time to check to some short throws or something.

[JPhillips]

Why aren't they running more? Hill has been really effective, but the RBs only have three carries.

[MizzouRah]

I love your Todd Gurley.. man crush alert!

[AlexB]

Wow, the Lions are terrible. Not sure how Jim Caldwell is still employed after this week, let alone this season.

Yeah, went to the game and they were just not on it, no crispness in the routes of the receivers, no fire in the D,it felt like they were going throught the motions.

[Butter]

Bengals are Bengaling this game away. As per usual

[Radii]

Ugggh, did we just see Steve Smith's career end? :(

[Thomkal]

Steve Smith's career might be over after an injury-had to be helped off the field and to the locker room-no weight on his leg.

[MikeVic]

Weeks like this are when football sucks. Seems like a ton of injuries to starting players today so far.

[Thomkal]

Ugggh, did we just see Steve Smith's career end? :(

Beat me to it, but I think so :(

[sabotai]

Eli Manning, 29 for 38, 345 yards, 6 TDs
Drew Brees, 29 for 36, 414 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT

I don't think I've ever seen the Giants play in this type of shootout before. It's been insane.

[sabotai]

dola,

Score is 42-42.

1 more TD and the game enters the top 10 highest scoring games in NFL history (if the wikipedia page is accurate (misread it. They need to get to 95 to tie for the top 10. I didn't notice that the page listed 13 games, not 10))

[Suicane75]

Giants have one or two pick sixes today?

[sabotai]

Of course it only takes a minute. Fumble by Saints returned for a TD by Giants. 13th touchdown scored in the game, the first TD that wasn't a passing TD.

[cuervo72]

They said it was scored as a fumble, but that didn't look like it satisfied the rules for a catch, to me. Looked more like an INT.

[sabotai]

They said it was scored as a fumble, but that didn't look like it satisfied the rules for a catch, to me. Looked more like an INT.

I thought the same thing.

[SirFozzie]

Too bad the NFL doesn't have college OT rules.. this Saints-Giants game could have been the highest scoring football game of the year (beating all the college games and all the Arena football games

[sabotai]

The Giants are perfectly set up to do something stupid and lose the game. Let's see if they follow through.

[sabotai]

The Giants are perfectly set up to do something stupid and lose the game. Let's see if they follow through.

Called it.

[bhlloy]

Why would you ever punt that in bounds? Never mind the low line drive, assuming he wasn't told to punt out of bounds I would be firing the special teams coach if they lose this

[Alf]

The Giants are perfectly set up to do something stupid and lose the game. Let's see if they follow through.

You were right :p

[rowech]

Bengals are Bengaling this game away. As per usual

But found a way to get it done again.

[bhlloy]

In today's edition of "who knows what the fuck a catch is in the NFL", please welcome Darren McFadden of the Cowboys!

[Thomkal]

Ugggh, did we just see Steve Smith's career end? :(


Looks like its over. :( Achilles injury. I'm not a big fan of his often-times juvenile antics on and off the field, but a big fan of his talent and ability-he will be missed.

[Thomkal]

Let's go Cards!

whew-early on looked like it was going to be a horrible loss, but they head into a much needed bye week with a win and and at least a two-game lead over the rest of the division.

[MrBug708]

Cant believe Forbath has bounced around like he has. I know the Skins cut him, not because he couldn't kick FG's, but because he didnt get enough TB's.

[Butter]

But found a way to get it done again.

Nobody's more surprised than I am. Defense really buckled down in the second half and kept them in the game. That was pretty great.

[Grover]

Nobody's more surprised than I am. Defense really buckled down in the second half and kept them in the game. That was pretty great.

Offensive line improved hugely in the second half too.

Though I have the feeling if Bell hadn't been injured, would not have been close to winning that game with the way the offense played.

[SteveMax58]

Called it.

Yep I was thinking the same thing at about that time.

Its like their goal is to do just enough to be able to say "well it was close but we didn't make enough plays. We need to get better and ready [to do the same thing] next week"

And holy crap they need to find someone tbat wants to get to the QB.

[SteveMax58]

Why would you ever punt that in bounds? Never mind the low line drive, assuming he wasn't told to punt out of bounds I would be firing the special teams coach if they lose this

Because they're the Giants and they find ways to continually screw up situational plays. They are the anti-Pats in that regard.

[SteveMax58]

They said it was scored as a fumble, but that didn't look like it satisfied the rules for a catch, to me. Looked more like an INT.

Yeah I don't know how that's considered a catch given the current state of the way they are ruled. Also pisses me off because I have Snead on my fantasy team and could really use those 2 points back.

[EagleFan]

Hardy hobbling off the field just seems like a win for karma.

[MrBug708]

That was a brutal hit

[EagleFan]

Very brutal

[EagleFan]

Would have like to see him moving his feet a little.

[rowech]

Very brutal

But well within the rules. Sucks he got hurt that bad on it.

[EagleFan]

But well within the rules. Sucks he got hurt that bad on it.

Didn't see anyone say that it wasn't.

[claphamsa]

Didn't see anyone say that it wasn't.

the ref did...incorrectly too!

[MrBug708]

The refs called it a blind side hit, but they were about 5 yards apart when they both lined up for the hit

[EagleFan]

the ref did...incorrectly too!

Then he should have quoted the ref...

[rowech]

Then he should have quoted the ref...

Responded to the most recent comment which was yours. Sorry for breaking Internet message board conventions.

[BishopMVP]

Geno Smith isn't helping, but this is two weeks in a row Todd Bowles has shown no urgency and very questionable end of game timeout usage in games that they could have come back in.

[cuervo72]

Clock. Management.

[miami_fan]

The call on that last play of the SEA-DAL game pretty much sums up how I have watched the games today. Not really sure what the rules are that govern that play and if they are being applied correctly.

[EagleFan]

What do they consider control? He had no control of that ball, it was merely resting on his hand at that point.

[EagleFan]

WTF? Different penalty because of the time of the game?

[Thomkal]

so season over for the Jets if Smith has to take over at QB?

[Dutch]

I don't see Smith as anything but a different kind of average QB compared to Fitz. Of course, if he keeps taking shots like he thinks he's a WR or a RB, then this won't be much of a debate for long!

[Abe Sargent]

Safety? Denver's D is just rolling.

[TroyF]

Safety? Denver's D is just rolling.


The Denver D is nasty. I've been saying it all year. The numbers for the Packers tonight are just staggering. 140 total yards? 50 yards net passing? Good lord. . .

The story of the night, however, was the Broncos offense. This isn't a top 5 offense anymore and probably won't be. it can be a top 15 offense though and if it is, this team suddenly becomes scary.

I'll need to see a lot more than a game against a banged up secondary, but that was a hell of a start.

[Galaril]

Wow 29-10 Denver and holding Rogers to 76 yards woah!

[Atocep]

Wow 29-10 Denver and holding Rogers to 76 yards woah!

Peyton looked really good. Very good accuracy, decisiveness, and zip on the ball.

[Butter]

Are the Steelers serious with this "Bengals were cheering the LeVeon Bell injury" angle?

Because despite the obvious ludicrousness of this line of reasoning, AND the clean nature of the hit on Bell, I can't think of a team that has dished out more cheap shots than Pittsburgh over the years, including many against Cincinnati.

So they can just fuck right off.... especially Mike Mitchell, who whooped it up after destroying Marvin Jones (legally, I might add) in the 3rd quarter.

[miami_fan]

Vernon Davis of San Francisco 49ers traded to Denver Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14039472/vernon-davis-san-francisco-49ers-traded-denver-broncos)

[stevew]

I hate Mike Mitchell, and I don't like most Steelers fans.

[stevew]

Lions should probably trade Calvin to someone and then move Stafford to the Jets. I imagine Stafford is still worth a decent amount and those two moves start to clear up their cap by quite a bit(after their dead cap charges hurt in 2016l

[Galaril]

Vernon Davis of San Francisco 49ers traded to Denver Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14039472/vernon-davis-san-francisco-49ers-traded-denver-broncos)

Wow!!

[Julio Riddols]

Are the Steelers serious with this "Bengals were cheering the LeVeon Bell injury" angle?

Because despite the obvious ludicrousness of this line of reasoning, AND the clean nature of the hit on Bell, I can't think of a team that has dished out more cheap shots than Pittsburgh over the years, including many against Cincinnati.

So they can just fuck right off.... especially Mike Mitchell, who whooped it up after destroying Marvin Jones (legally, I might add) in the 3rd quarter.

Jones is tough as nails to come back from that and make a tough catch over the middle shortly afterwards.

[Groundhog]

Sorry Australia/Rugby fans:

49ers Promote RB Kendall Gaskins to Active Roster, Waive RB Jarryd Hayne (http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Promote-RB-Kendall-Gaskins-to-Active-Roster-Waive-RB-Jarryd-Hayne/a1c25261-3aee-4e68-b918-a18670ad28e0?sf14756258=1)

A bit disappointing. Yeah, he had his issues blocking and made some mistakes on punt returns - not just the fumbles, but also a safe catch inside the 10 yard line. Still, seems crazy to me that they wouldn't stick with him, given how much of a train wreck the entire team is right now.

I was hoping someone grabbed him on waivers but seems more likely that he'll be on the practice squad which, to be honest, is probably the best thing for him at this stage.

[NobodyHere]

I told myself that I wasn't going to drink tonight.

But after watching the Colts turnover the ball..

[SirFozzie]

This could be a long night for the Colts

[NobodyHere]

Anybody who is taking shots every time the Colts turn the ball over is probably dead by now.

[EagleFan]

Interesting choice for a challenge. He was down before contact and had control of the ball. It was contact that made him lose the ball but since he was down when contact was made that instantly makes him down by contact. I can't see anyway that is overturned.

[NobodyHere]

Blaine Gabbert is starting for the 49ers next week? What happened to Kaep?

[Radii]

So many horrible throws by Luck tonight, even when he isn't pressured.

[bhlloy]

Blaine Gabbert is starting for the 49ers next week? What happened to Kaep?

The tank for the first overall pick is officially on. Davis given away for peanuts as well.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I honestly am not sure it's a downgrade. Kaepernick has looked completely awful this season, except against the terrible defenses of Baltimore and New York.

[bhlloy]

On the other hand Gabbert might be the worst qb of the last five years

[Groundhog]

I've watched more 49ers games this season than I care to admit just due to Hayne, and Kaep has thrown some of the most inaccurate uncontested throws I've ever seen from an NFL QB. It's 90% mental IMO, and they're better off sitting him, let Gabbert take a beating, improve the OLine in the offseason, and hope for the best next year.

[Radii]

dear god what is this. Defense please.

[NobodyHere]

Wow, I turn away for most the 2ns half and the Colts mount a comeback.

[Radii]

That is one of hte worst drops I've ever seen.

[MrBug708]

That drop cost me my fantasy win. Unless Hilton figures out how to be a WR

[CU Tiger]

Agrred Radiii....hit Ginn in the hands in stride.

As much shit as Ive given Cam he hasnt messed much up tonight.

[Galaril]

So why do I feel like a pick 6 is coming?

[Galaril]

Well not a TD but close enough.

[CU Tiger]

Wow what a crazy stat

Indy 3-0 in division 0-5 out of their division...

[Radii]

Jesus Christ that should never have been anywhere near that close, but hey, 7-0!!

[NobodyHere]

Well at least the Colts still lead their division.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I've watched more 49ers games this season than I care to admit just due to Hayne, and Kaep has thrown some of the most inaccurate uncontested throws I've ever seen from an NFL QB. It's 90% mental IMO, and they're better off sitting him, let Gabbert take a beating, improve the OLine in the offseason, and hope for the best next year.

Unless the management is even more inept than I'm giving them credit for (and that's a LOT of inept), there is a 0% chance that Kaepernick is even on the team next season.

[stevew]

I wonder if the Panthers should just say "eff it" and make the trade for Megatron if it's out there

[SteveMax58]

Blaine Gabbert is starting for the 49ers next week? What happened to Kaep?

Seems like Kaep would be a good fit in Philly.

[EagleFan]

Seems like Kaep would be a good fit in Philly.

No, no, dear god no!

[EagleFan]

Dola, but with them going nowhere and it being a half year trial I would be okay with a deal that gets rid of Bradford. I see that preseason was a mirage and once real pressure started he is a fish out of water.

[Logan]

Whisenhunt fired.

[Thomkal]

Whisenhunt fired.

Thought they would wait until the offseason given the injury to Mariota, but I guess not. Hopefully he will not get another head coaching job in the NFL after (mostly) failed stints in Arizona and Tenn. Somewhere Matt Leinart is smiling :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I remember two years ago when Whisenhunt was the front runner for the Lions' job. Most people wanted him really badly, but then he went to Tennessee and the Lions got Caldwell.

I don't think it's worked out well for either franchise. Caldwell will be gone after this year, too.

[Grover]

4-31 in his last 35 games as a head coach. Yeowch.

[BillJasper]

Way to have stability for your young QB!

[bhlloy]

The strange thing about Kaepernick is that the element of his game that made him such a promising player and a success for a short period of time was his running and the fact he was a legit threat to break off a 70 yard run every time he dropped back - and that seems to have completely disappeared this year.

I don't know if that's a change in coaching scheme, a decision made on high that he was too valuable to be running and taking hits or a decision made in his own head that he was too valuable to be running and taking hits, but he was never going to be successful as a drop back passer. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[Galaril]

Wow what a crazy stat

Indy 3-0 in division 0-5 out of their division...

Well at least the Colts still lead their division.

So curious if they go and win all 6 division games and lose all 10 other games but say the Texans went 4-2 in division but went say 7-9 who gets the division crown?

[larrymcg421]

So curious if they go and win all 6 division games and lose all 10 other games but say the Texans went 4-2 in division but went say 7-9 who gets the division crown?

Texans. Division record only matters for tiebreakers.

[albionmoonlight]

Wow what a crazy stat

Indy 3-0 in division 0-5 out of their division...

The AFC South is the Beamon's Jump of shitty divisions. It'll be 30 years before we see this again.

[cartman]

Cowboys released Joseph Randle

[EagleFan]

That will help decrease he crime rate around Dallas.

[Thomkal]

Cowboys released Joseph Randle

Boy too bad they don't have a former leading rusher to replace him...

[Logan]

Keenan Allen on IR after suffering a kidney problem. Expected to make a full recovery but sucks as he was having a monster year.

[stevew]

Whiz fired.

[stevew]

Kudos to the rappelling people on Monday night. I think they're getting a ton of mileage for their cause

[Coffee Warlord]

Keenan Allen on IR after suffering a kidney problem. Expected to make a full recovery but sucks as he was having a monster year.

And who had Allen AND Steve Smith at WR? This guy. Yikes.

[NobodyHere]

Kudos to the rappelling people on Monday night. I think they're getting a ton of mileage for their cause

Whatever their cause is, I'm against them.

[albionmoonlight]

Whiz fired.

Several people have pointed out how he's 4-31 in his last 35 games. That's. . . . kind of impressive.

[Radii]

The AFC South is the Beamon's Jump of shitty divisions. It'll be 30 years before we see this again.

The NFC South last year (with the 7-8-1 division champion Panthers) went 10-29-1 outside the division, ~26% win rate. The AFC South combined so far is 4-16 outside the division, 20%. It will be really impressive if they can keep that pace up. The Jags are kind of screwing them with wins over the Dolphins and Bills already.

[QuikSand]

The Jags are kind of screwing them with wins over the Dolphins and Bills already.

Deep testament to the overall division shittiness... JACKSONVILLE IS TOO GOOD. *wipes brow*

[NobodyHere]

Several people have pointed out how he's 4-31 in his last 35 games. That's. . . . kind of impressive.

I think I know who the next Lion's coach will be!

[JonInMiddleGA]

I think I know who the next Lion's coach will be!

The Colts may have something to say about that.

[SteveMax58]

Several people have pointed out how he's 4-31 in his last 35 games. That's. . . . kind of impressive.

Sorta like a pitcher that loses 20 games perhaps? :lol:

[miami_fan]

Indy OC Pep Hamilton has been fired.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14047307/pep-hamilton-indianapolis-colts-offensive-coordinator

[NobodyHere]

Indy OC Pep Hamilton has been fired.

Pep Hamilton out as Indianapolis Colts' offensive coordinator (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14047307/pep-hamilton-indianapolis-colts-offensive-coordinator)

And the house cleaning begins. I wonder how far it will go. Perhaps Pagano keeps his job until the end of the season.

Let's see what the Chud can do. Most people saw Pep as a problem who was only kept on the team via loyalty.

[NobodyHere]

The Colts may have something to say about that.

Well on that note Jim Irsay is purported to have said he wanted to make to "go big-game hunting" when picking his next coach. So maybe he'll try to grab Nick Saban or something.

Or he could've been talking about scoring some drugs. Who knows.

[BillJasper]

Well on that note Jim Irsay is purported to have said he wanted to make to "go big-game hunting" when picking his next coach. So maybe he'll try to grab Nick Saban or something.

Or he could've been talking about scoring some drugs. Who knows.

I'm not sure he could get a big name. Doesn't he have a habit of interfering with what is going on, on the field?

[stevew]

Several people have pointed out how he's 4-31 in his last 35 games. That's. . . . kind of impressive.

If you were going to fire Whiz at midseason, I don't understand bringing him back at all.

[Thomkal]

Joe Thomas was nearly traded to the Broncos today-would have been quite a "kudos" for John Elway.

[NobodyHere]

I'm not sure he could get a big name. Doesn't he have a habit of interfering with what is going on, on the field?

From what I hear it's been GM Ryan Grigson who interferes heavily, from the coaching staff to which players will start.

[flere-imsaho]

Several people have pointed out how he's 4-31 in his last 35 games. That's. . . . kind of impressive.

I saw somewhere where he was also 1-20 in games where he didn't have 8 months to prepare.

[Atocep]

And the house cleaning begins. I wonder how far it will go. Perhaps Pagano keeps his job until the end of the season.

Let's see what the Chud can do. Most people saw Pep as a problem who was only kept on the team via loyalty.

Pep was kind of a hot name a couple of years ago, but I've never really understood why. His offenses throw the ball down the field far to much for today's NFL.

Unfortunately, Chudzinski doesn't really change much. It's the same power running/vertical passing game that is really difficult to make work.

[Galaril]

Joe Thomas was nearly traded to the Broncos today-would have been quite a "kudos" for John Elway.

Actually for what the Browns wanted next years 1st and 2nd most Bronco fans are happy the trade did not happen. Sometimes the best deal made is the one that doesn't happen. Plus, after our Oline gave up 7 sacks in the first two games they are tied for the fewest surrendered in the last 6 games just 5.

[SteveMax58]

Well on that note Jim Irsay is purported to have said he wanted to make to "go big-game hunting" when picking his next coach. So maybe he'll try to grab Nick Saban or something.

Or he could've been talking about scoring some drugs. Who knows.

Yeah good luck with landing anyone with a recognizable name until either Grigson is out or Irsay sells the team. ..and probably both.

I can maybe see a Shanahan going there but onl if Grigson is gone. And thats only because of Luck being the talent that he is.

Seems awfully shitty to can the OC as if he's the problem moreso than the washed up acquisitions and bad oline or even Luck himself.

[flere-imsaho]

Maybe he means Bill Cowher?

[BillJasper]

Maybe he means Bill Cowher?

I'm not sure I see Cowher ever coming back.

[spleen1015]

If Cowher hasn't come back by now, I don't think he ever does.

Grigson is the problem in Indy. He has no idea how to build a winning team.

I didn't like the Hamilton hire when it happened. I'm glad he is gone.

I like Pagano, but not sure he's the right guy either. It is sad, but I wish they had kept Arians instead of him a couple of years ago.

[BillJasper]

I like Pagano, but not sure he's the right guy either. It is sad, but I wish they had kept Arians instead of him a couple of years ago.

Tough to fire a guy who was out because of cancer.

[Grover]

Tough to fire a guy who was out because of cancer.

Yup.

See: Red Sox.

[Thomkal]

If Cowher hasn't come back by now, I don't think he ever does.

Grigson is the problem in Indy. He has no idea how to build a winning team.

I didn't like the Hamilton hire when it happened. I'm glad he is gone.

I like Pagano, but not sure he's the right guy either. It is sad, but I wish they had kept Arians instead of him a couple of years ago.

I'm glad they didn't :D

[NobodyHere]

Holy cow!

Lions fire GM Martin Mayhew, president Tom Lewand - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000573477/article/lions-fire-gm-martin-mayhew-president-tom-lewand)

[BillJasper]

Holy cow!

Lions fire GM Martin Mayhew, president Tom Lewand - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000573477/article/lions-fire-gm-martin-mayhew-president-tom-lewand)

Have to imagine that Caldwell will be let go at the end of the season.

[NobodyHere]

Have to imagine that Caldwell will be let go at the end of the season.

I wonder why he was kept when the Lion's are obviously serious about cleaning house.

[BillJasper]

I wonder why he was kept when the Lion's are obviously serious about cleaning house.

Guess you have to have someone capable of operating the lights at the beginning and end of each day.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Also, you avoid the awkwardness of having to include the interim coach in the hiring process next year, especially if he is at all successful this season.

[RomaGoth]

Holy cow!

Lions fire GM Martin Mayhew, president Tom Lewand - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000573477/article/lions-fire-gm-martin-mayhew-president-tom-lewand)

Been a long time coming, especially Lewand. Interesting piece of information from all of this:

(from CBS Sports)



2. Former general manager Matt Millen recommended the team hire Martin Mayhew. "You want to know how it went down?" Millen asked during an interview with MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/04/the_rise_missteps_and_evolutio.html) in April 2015. "This is how it went down. Mr. [Henry Clay] Ford -- look, there is some stuff nobody knows about, and they shouldn't know about. But, anyway, when the thing came down, he didn't know what to do. I said, 'This is what you're going to do. You're going to hire Martin as your general manager. You're going to take Tom (Lewand) and make him the president -- that's what he's been trying to do for the last seven years. And Tom could be an asset.'"
So, yeah, even though Millen has been gone seven years, his legacy remains. As for Mayhew's previous experience, he had worked in the XFL, and under Millen, whose Lions teams went 31-84 during his eight-year tenure.
The good news is that Mayhew was markedly better than his predecessor; the Lions were 51-66 since he took over (that's a .436 winning percentage, compared to Millen's .270). The bad news is that the Lions have been terrible this season, and have had two-, four- and six-win seasons with Mayhew and Lewand at the helm. Detroit did win 11 games last season, and 10 in 2011, but even the good seasons come with caveats.


Yeah, the sooner we can distance ourselves from the Matt Millen era the better.

[BillJasper]

Martha Ford ain't taking shit for results.

[RomaGoth]

Martha Ford ain't taking shit for results.

I wonder how much of it was her and how much is other Ford family members making these decisions. She is 90 years old after all.