2017 TV Thread

[Thomkal]

Yep 2017 I said, that's when a New Star Trek series is going to start on CBS. It will start on the network them move exclusively to CBS digital subscription service-which I didn't know existed. 2017 is a long way away but I suspect my fellow Trekkers will protest mightily they don't have "free" access to a new Trek show:

New Star Trek TV Series Official Details Released | Comicbook.com (http://comicbook.com/2015/11/02/new-star-trek-tv-series-official-details-released/)

[JAG]

Let's hope it's better than Enterprise was.

[Grover]

This is the way TV is going. Subscription-based, a la carte. Pay for what you want.

[ISiddiqui]

And not in a good way, mind.

[BillJasper]

Count me excited and not having any issue with paying for it.

[Thomkal]

First trailer out for the new Star Trek:

Star Trek 2017 - CBS.com (http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-2017/)

[Marmel]

Yep 2017 I said, that's when a New Star Trek series is going to start on CBS. It will start on the network them move exclusively to CBS digital subscription service-which I didn't know existed. 2017 is a long way away but I suspect my fellow Trekkers will protest mightily they don't have "free" access to a new Trek show:

New Star Trek TV Series Official Details Released | Comicbook.com (http://comicbook.com/2015/11/02/new-star-trek-tv-series-official-details-released/)

I cancelled cable about 8 months ago now and during the NCAA tournament I subscribed to the CBS network for a month so I could watch their programming and the Roku app was the worst. It lagged a lot, it failed to load many times, it skipped and just reset sometimes too. I hope they get this figured out, most other distributors have.

On a side note, this is one of the best things about a la carte TV, or whatever you want to call it.....I want CBS for a month, I can do that, then cancel. Then I want Hulu for 2months, I can do that, then cancel. Oh now it is baseball season, Sling TV for the summer and Yankee games. I can mix and match however often I like with no connection/cancellation fees whatsoever!

[Thomkal]

And the show and ship have a name: Star Trek: Discovery.

Star Trek Introducing the U.S.S. Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/introducing-the-u-s-s-discovery)

[NobodyHere]

And the show and ship have a name: Star Trek: Discovery.

Star Trek Introducing the U.S.S. Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/introducing-the-u-s-s-discovery)

So the shorthand for this show is STD?

[Suicane75]

So the shorthand for this show is STD?

Hopefully the first episode is them traveling to Uranus to catch crabs. Space crabs.

[Thomkal]

So the shorthand for this show is STD?

well they are going to show a progressive future like in all Treks, so why not a sexually-transmitted disease? :)

[oykib]

I'm comfortable making the prediction that this new Star Trek will very quickly surpass Game of Thrones as the top show on TV...



















...for getting file-shared.

[Critch]

The title is "2017 TV Thread" but so far it should be "2017 Star Trek". So I'm going to mention a different 2017 tv show.

First trailer for American Gods is out, and based on 1:40 it looks like it's going to be good.

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[Thomkal]

How dare you mess up my Star Trek thread Critch! :) Not a big Neil Gaiman fan, so probably won't watch that one. But I guess its okay to talk about it in this thread :)

[Critch]

I'm the same with Gaiman, American Gods is the only book of his that I got to the end of and I liked the idea more than the actual story. So hoping the Starz version isnt a faithful retelling of the book.

Ian McShane for Mr Wednesday should be good casting though.

[ISiddiqui]

Ian McShane for anyone is good casting. I mean they could have cast him as Daenerys Targaryen and I would have been good for it.

[Thomkal]

Dorothy is definitely not in Kansas anymore:

Here's the first trailer for NBC's modern Wizard of Oz series Emerald City | Blastr (http://www.blastr.com/2016-11-25/heres-first-trailer-nbcs-modern-wizard-oz-series-emerald-city?__source=Blastr_True_Anthem_Syfy_Facebook&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=583916d404d30143bc9d41dd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook)

[CrescentMoonie]

Dorothy is definitely not in Kansas anymore:

Here's the first trailer for NBC's modern Wizard of Oz series Emerald City | Blastr (http://www.blastr.com/2016-11-25/heres-first-trailer-nbcs-modern-wizard-oz-series-emerald-city?__source=Blastr_True_Anthem_Syfy_Facebook&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=583916d404d30143bc9d41dd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook)

So, it's "Tin Man" without Zooey Deschanel. Actually, watching it again, it's more of a Once Upon A Time take on it. I loved Tin Man and Wicked, so I'll definitely watch this as well.

[Thomkal]

So, it's "Tin Man" without Zooey Deschanel. Actually, watching it again, it's more of a Once Upon A Time take on it. I loved Tin Man and Wicked, so I'll definitely watch this as well.

I think that's a pretty good description. Maybe with some Game of Thrones tossed in.

[thealmighty]

Nobody watched Sherlock???

[BishopMVP]

I'm the same with Gaiman, American Gods is the only book of his that I got to the end of and I liked the idea more than the actual story. So hoping the Starz version isnt a faithful retelling of the book.

Ian McShane for Mr Wednesday should be good casting though.+1 for that. The idea was great, but the book felt like a depressing slog for me. This at least looks like it has good direction and visuals, so I'll check it out.

Oz seems similar. I'm sure they'll PG it a lot, but the visuals look fantastic for a network show (and they at least seem committed to having it as a 10-episode miniseries), so it'll be worth a shot.

[RainMaker]

I'll watch American Gods because it looks interesting and Ian McShane is great. But Gaiman is the most overrated author on the planet.

Unfortunately there aren't any new shows I'm interested in this year. Maybe The Deuce on HBO. Ozark from Netflix seems kind of interesting but that's not till late 2017. I'm more of a drama fan and it doesn't seem like a great year for it although something always breaks through.

Otherwise I'm excited about the final season of Leftovers and Halt & Catch Fire.

[BishopMVP]

Victorian England isn't usually my cup of tea, and I can't 100% tell what genre it'll fall into, but I could watch Tom Hardy read a phone book, so I'll add Taboo (FX, next Tuesday) to the list I'm excited for. I think it's technically a series, though maybe it'll be seperately contained arcs like AHS or True Detective.

[Honolulu_Blue]

But Gaiman is the most overrated author on the planet.


Said no one ever who has read Sandman.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm looking forward to Taboo.

Legion looks really interesting. I mean, it's from the guy who made the Fargo TV series. That alone would make it a "must see", but throw in some X-Men/mutant action and I'm there.

I'm excited for American Gods. Great cast, very good source material.

That "Young Pope" show doesn't look all that appealing to me.

[Vince, Pt. II]

The Gaiman bashing in this thread is mind-blowing to me. To each their own, but man.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Gaiman bashing in this thread is mind-blowing to me. To each their own, but man.

Agreed.

[CrescentMoonie]

MST3K page is live one Netflix. Not sure of the debut date, but the page is there now.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm looking forward to Taboo.

Legion looks really interesting. I mean, it's from the guy who made the Fargo TV series. That alone would make it a "must see", but throw in some X-Men/mutant action and I'm there.

I'm excited for American Gods. Great cast, very good source material.

That "Young Pope" show doesn't look all that appealing to me.

I'm with you on these. Taboo looks like it will be really really good or really really bad, but interesting regardless.

Legion looks like a very interesting take on Marvel stuff (which I'm good with because I'm tired of the Marvel verse otherwise) and it stars Dan Stevens!

American Gods looks pretty interesting, but I have to find out if I want to get Starz for 3 months, or just right after the final episode for one month and then cancel it (maybe can do the same for the Star Trek show).

The Young Pope is strange to me. It seems almost too soap opera-ish for HBO (like channeling the cheese of True Blood, which I thought it was leaving behind), so there has to be something else there, right?


I'm also interested in The Handmaid’s Tale, which is coming out for Hulu in the Spring.

[RainMaker]

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[Honolulu_Blue]

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I can't wait. Given what I was going through personally when the first season aired, this show has always had some deeper meaning for me.

[Butter]

Leftovers Season 3 might be enough to get me to subscribe to HBO again.

I mean, the hotel episode from Season 2. C'mon, that was amazing.

[panerd]

Fantastic show. I subscribe to HBO for 3 months out of the year and just catch up on Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, the Wire etc... Can't wait to get it over the summer for the Leftovers, Game of Thrones, Westworld, and The Night Of.

[Logan]

Can't wait for Season 3. S2 blew me away, maybe partially because my expectations were on the low side after S1.

[ISiddiqui]

Leftovers is one of my favorite all time shows. I loved Season 1 and then was shocked that Season 2 was even better, so I really excited for Season 3. Interestingly they are moving again to Australia - I wonder if there is any symbolism in their moving down every year (from New York State to Texas to Australia).

Anyways, speaking of HBO, I am intrigued in watching The Young Pope. It's definitely far more interesting than I expected, but it's moving fairly slow. I hear, though (from folks who already saw it in Europe), that it really picks up in Eps 6-7 and becomes absolutely amazing... so I'm cautiously optimistic for that.

[Logan]

Anyways, speaking of HBO, I am intrigued in watching The Young Pope. It's definitely far more interesting than I expected, but it's moving fairly slow. I hear, though (from folks who already saw it in Europe), that it really picks up in Eps 6-7 and becomes absolutely amazing... so I'm cautiously optimistic for that.

I thought it looked horrible and had no interest in it, until I heard someone talking about how it had a very dark comedy aspect to it. Is that true or did I just catch someone overselling? That's very different than what I took from the initial trailer but would be much more interested if that was the case.

[ISiddiqui]

Oh, yeah.. has some very dark comedy elements in it.

[Radii]

Can't wait for Leftovers Season 3. I'm one of the ones that even loved season 1, so I feel incredibly invested in this one and seeing how they end things.

[nol]

I thought it looked horrible and had no interest in it, until I heard someone talking about how it had a very dark comedy aspect to it. Is that true or did I just catch someone overselling? That's very different than what I took from the initial trailer but would be much more interested if that was the case.

Yeah, I saw so many trailers for this when watching Westworld and thought it would be awful, but then I saw it was created and directed by Paolo Sorrentino. I'm not much of a movie person but La Grande Bellezza by him is one of my favorites, so I gave it a shot. Young Pope has that same kind of dark humor to it, and even without that Jude Law plays such a hilariously over-the-top asshole that it's worth watching.

[Logan]

Yeah same thing...saw it pop up before every Westworld episode and it didn't interest me at all, which really never happens with a new HBO show.

I'll plan on giving it a shot.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

For those who haven't seen it, I highly recommend The Good Place. Very funny and thoughtful with terrific performances by Ted Danson and Kristen Bell. The first season is all done and only 13 episodes. Very easy to polish off in a weekend.

[Edward64]

Saw the premier of SIX on History last week. Enjoyed it and looking forward to tonight's episode.

Don't expect a deep plot or great acting but there were lots of good action.

[thealmighty]

The Magicians is back.

Black Sails is back.

The 100 is back.

Good times... I hope.

[ISiddiqui]

Man, Legion was fantastic! Everything I hoped it would be! And as much of a mindfuck as I wished for - and what about the final tracking shot? Wow!

[nilodor]

Nobody watched Sherlock???

Honestly I didn't know it even happened. I love British series for basically taking however many episodes are needed to tell a story, but I hate how unreliably spaced seasons can be. I often find I forget that the show even exists by the time the next dribble of a season comes out.

[Edward64]

The Young Pope has caught my interest. Its strange and don't quite understand it all (missed some episodes) but looking forward to next week.

[Jas_lov]

The last Sherlock season was ok. The 1st episode was awful. I like the Toby Jones one the best.

Anybody stick with Taboo? I watched the first two episodes and it was very slow.

The Missing is finally back for Season 2 on Starz this Sunday. Hopefully it's as good as the 1st season.

Not many good shows on right now. Seems like all the best ones start in March/April - GoT, Better Caul Saul, The Americans, Fargo, The Leftovers.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The last Sherlock season was ok. The 1st episode was awful. I like the Toby Jones one the best.

Anybody stick with Taboo? I watched the first two episodes and it was very slow.

The Missing is finally back for Season 2 on Starz this Sunday. Hopefully it's as good as the 1st season.

Not many good shows on right now. Seems like all the best ones start in March/April - GoT, Better Caul Saul, The Americans, Fargo, The Leftovers.

I haven't seen any of the new Sherlocks yet, though I have heard mixed reviews.

I have stuck with Taboo, but I'm not loving it. I get what they are trying to do - I think - but it's not working really. It's actually already feeling a bit repetitive only a few episodes in.

I recorded Legion last night and look forward to watching that tomorrow.

Season 2 of the Expanse started last week. It's been great. Really enjoying it.

I don't mind a bit of a lull. It gives me time to visit some Netflix/Amazon shows I haven't quite watched and catch up on movies and documentaries and the like.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I summarized 2-3 articles on my FB feed, so I'll just repurpose that summary & post it here

Just as female-targeted Oxygen announced earlier this month that they will re-focus after the summer and become a 7-day-a-week "true crime" network, male-targeted Spike was similarly given the ax this week, to be rebranded and replaced soon by something called Paramount Network, to air primarily movies from the Paramount library and shows from other Viacom owned properties.

It was also announced that six Viacom channels would become core properties with others (including VH1 and TVLand) getting fewer resources and attention. That appears to be code for "we'll move the best of the other networks stuff to the new Paramount channel before shutting the others down"

[Chief Rum]

I am caught up on The Expanse, and agreed, HB, I am very interested to see where it goes (I haven't read the books).

Walking Dead back on Sunday, and looking forward to it.

[Butter]

Figured out where I have seen the 2 leads from Legion before...

The main guy, Dan Stevens, was in this great movie (probably still on Netflix) called THE GUEST. It's a low budget thriller, not really a horror movie, but also definitely scary and delightfully weird.

And Rachel Keller was the chainsmoking teenage girl in Fargo Season 2 with the great long, feathered hair who got marched into the woods by one of the Gerhardt brothers.

[ISiddiqui]

Dan Stevens is also most famous for playing Matthew Crawley in Downton Abbey

[Butter]

Well, tells you I never watched that I guess.

[Butter]

So Legion is pretty much amazing through 2 episodes. Even if it goes straight to shit, those 2 episodes were worth it.

[Chief Rum]

I watched the fifth episode of The Expanse, Season 2 tonight--and man did it deliver. This episode awarded me for staying with it through some of the more generic storylines that have been put out in its first season and a half and shows me there is more in the overlying arc than meets the eye.

To anyone who enjoys intelligently done scifi, I would recommend this series.

[cartman]

Got caught up to the end of Season 2 with "Man In The High Castle". Not quite as strong overall as the first season. Some of the stuff with the Trade Minister veered off into the Tony Soprano dream sequences. But the final episode was solid.

[hoopsguy]

So Legion is pretty much amazing through 2 episodes. Even if it goes straight to shit, those 2 episodes were worth it.

This was show I came to the thread to see if others were watching. I've never seen a show quite like it before, and I'm hooked.

[ISiddiqui]

It's just as good 5 episodes in. Every one has been fantastic, story wise, visually, audibly. One of the best shows on TV already.

[thesloppy]

Legion and The Expanse both make me happy currently.

[Thomkal]

It's just as good 5 episodes in. Every one has been fantastic, story wise, visually, audibly. One of the best shows on TV already.

I think it spends too much time trying to be "trippy" and not enough time on superhero stuff. They had a guy in a ice cube to represent the astral plane and a guy straight out of the 80's in it. I think they try too hard to show Legion's mental illness through his surroundings. (and now he may not even be mentally ill)

[ISiddiqui]

I think it spends too much time trying to be "trippy" and not enough time on superhero stuff. They had a guy in a ice cube to represent the astral plane and a guy straight out of the 80's in it. I think they try too hard to show Legion's mental illness through his surroundings. (and now he may not even be mentally ill)

I don't think it's actually 'about' superhero stuff. It's a show about reality and mental illness that stars a mutant. Though the ice cubed astral plane stuff was super important to the superhero stuff plot - esp in Ep.5.

[ISiddiqui]

Legion and The Expanse both make me happy currently.

My Wednesday viewing is totally full with those two and The Magicians right before The Expanse (interestingly enough, I thought The Magicians books are much better than The Expanse books, but the The Expanse show is much better that The Magicians show).

[Thomkal]

I don't think it's actually 'about' superhero stuff. It's a show about reality and mental illness that stars a mutant. Though the ice cubed astral plane stuff was super important to the superhero stuff plot - esp in Ep.5.

maybe I just want it to be about superhero stuff though I was not a fan of his time in the comics either now that I think about it.

[Chief Rum]

I realize I am probably the only one here trumping for The Expanse, but fuck it, I'll keep doing it. I think it's a show many here would enjoy, especially if you're science fiction fans.

It was another terrific episode this past week. Season 1 (last year) was good. This season has been even better.

[Thomkal]

I have several episodes taped, but have not watched yet. Just feels like a "whole lot of nothing" happens in each episode, and I'm not fond of the Thomas Jane character.

[cartman]

Because Sundance Channel isn't one of the better known cable networks, this show has flown under the radar. I mentioned the first season of Hap and Leonard in last year's thread. It got picked up for a second season, and this week will be Week 3. This season's plot is based on the book Mucho Mojo. The first couple of episodes have been pretty strong. It looks like they are finding their feet. And anything with Michael K. Williams is always watchable.

[CrescentMoonie]

I tried the Expanse at first, and just didn't like it much. I agree with the "whole lot of nothing" feel to it. I have heard from enough people that it's really good, so I'll likely go back and try to watch it again some time.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm a bit surprised at the comments of The Expanse being whole lot of nothing because I feel the books just chew through plot. Granted Season 1 covers like 3/4ths of Leviathan Wakes, but with any show based on a book series, it generally starts slow, building and populating its world and then explodes in constant action (though it's slow down a bit the last few eps - they have a lot of plot to cover of Caliban's War if they are trying to get it all done this season).

[Honolulu_Blue]

I realize I am probably the only one here trumping for The Expanse, but fuck it, I'll keep doing it. I think it's a show many here would enjoy, especially if you're science fiction fans.

It was another terrific episode this past week. Season 1 (last year) was good. This season has been even better.

No! It's been great. I read the first book before the first season of the show started and really liked it. As much as I enjoyed the first season, this second season has been even better. I've really been enjoying it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Legion and The Expanse both make me happy currently.

Same!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Because Sundance Channel isn't one of the better known cable networks, this show has flown under the radar.

fwiw, Dish Network customers have been beaten over the head with so many promos for this show that it probably borders on being oversaturated at this point.

[cartman]

Strange. Haven't seen anything promoting it on DirecTV. I wonder if that is due to Dish's Sling TV pushing that they have AMC's channels for cord cutters.

[Thomkal]

Speak of the devil...

The Expanse — game preview at GAMA Trade Show 2017 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJkY_HqP5Cg)

Expanse board game coming soon.

[Chief Rum]

I have several episodes taped, but have not watched yet. Just feels like a "whole lot of nothing" happens in each episode, and I'm not fond of the Thomas Jane character.

I actually am on board with you here for much of the first season. It's hard to get a handle on things at times and there is a feeling of not much actually happening in Season One. There is a lot of world building in Season 1, too. And Miller (Jane) is not an easy guy to like. I didn't like him either.

It's when you pull back and look at it across the whole season, you see that actually quite a lot happened. And, FWIW, while I won't tell you I ever actually really much liked Miller even in Season 2, his character pays off pretty big time.

Season 2 has a lot more obvious action and plot movement than Season 1, as well, IMO. I think the show is better for now largely being done with the world building from the first season.


I'm a bit surprised at the comments of The Expanse being whole lot of nothing because I feel the books just chew through plot. Granted Season 1 covers like 3/4ths of Leviathan Wakes, but with any show based on a book series, it generally starts slow, building and populating its world and then explodes in constant action (though it's slow down a bit the last few eps - they have a lot of plot to cover of Caliban's War if they are trying to get it all done this season).


I have not read the books, but I have heard they are excellent. When the ultimate ending of Leviathan's Wake happened in Episode 5 of this season, I read up a little on what the show producers plans were, and it seems they abandoned the one season one book concept that GOT originally tried to do. So I don't think they are going to actually complete Calaban's War this season.

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One scene from last night's episode which I would love to point out to the intellectually scifi curious types here. They had a terrific scene discussing the Drake Equation which morphed into a concise back and forth about the Fermi Paradox. Many of you will roll your eyes at that, I am sure, and it was largely meaningless in the immediate context of the show (might have meaning down the line), but the inner nerd dork in me was geeked out to watch it.

[Scarecrow]

I've watched it a couple of times when there wasn't anything else on, but by god I'm not missing Lip Sync Battle this Thursday...

Kate Upton Performs "...Baby One More Time" (https://youtu.be/ibPYtFQaGLI)

[Suicane75]

I almost broke my monitor from punching it when they cut away for reaction shots. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[cartman]

I really hate Justin Verlander

[RainMaker]

I've watched it a couple of times when there wasn't anything else on, but by god I'm not missing Lip Sync Battle this Thursday...

Kate Upton Performs "...Baby One More Time" (https://youtu.be/ibPYtFQaGLI)

:eek:

[CrimsonFox]

About to start season 13 of Deadliest Catch.

I wonder if Sig will be stubborn and go out again after having a major heart attack...

[hoopsguy]

I've watched it a couple of times when there wasn't anything else on, but by god I'm not missing Lip Sync Battle this Thursday...

Kate Upton Performs "...Baby One More Time" (https://youtu.be/ibPYtFQaGLI)

71.59% of FOFC will consider tuning in for this episode. Suicane is one of those 71.59%.

[Suicane75]

Ya know how people say they're going to buy a HD Super 3D 4K Ultra Plasma curved 130 inch TV for the Super Bowl? That's what I'm doing for this. This is my Super Bowl. I'm going to get beer, pizza, chips, candy, weed, nachos and sit in front of that TV for 8 hours. But nobody is invited. Because I wont be wearing pants.

[NobodyHere]

O'Reilly out at Fox News (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/o%E2%80%99reilly-out-at-fox-news/ar-BBA34hx)

I really didn't expect this result. I wonder who the boycotters will go after next because I bet they're feeling pretty emboldened right now.


(Also if this is an inappropriate thread for this subject let me know)

[PilotMan]

Trump will hire him. No problem. He's a good guy. He's knows Bill. He shouldn't have settled. He didn't do anything wrong.

[CrimsonFox]

About to start season 13 of Deadliest Catch.

I wonder if Sig will be stubborn and go out again after having a major heart attack...

So not only is Sig going out...he has learned a thing. I have a bad feeling we're going to see another Phil incident happen. :(

[Honolulu_Blue]

O'Reilly out at Fox News (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/o%E2%80%99reilly-out-at-fox-news/ar-BBA34hx)

I really didn't expect this result. I wonder who the boycotters will go after next because I bet they're feeling pretty emboldened right now.


(Also if this is an inappropriate thread for this subject let me know)

If there is some other chronic sexually harassing predator dick bag out there, hopefully the boycotters will go after them next! More power to the people! Our biggest weapon is where we spend our dollars these days.

I didn't expect it either, but I am very happy to see this P.O.S. go out in shame and infamy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Good, bad, right, wrong, whatever ... there's the official only downhill from here point for FXNC. I don't see anybody who can sustain even half the existing numbers for them in prime.

FXNC, meet the pack. Pack, this is FXNC, who most of you have heard of but haven't really been able to see.

[Edward64]

Referring only to his show, I liked the Factor. It was the most tolerable Fox news show for me and came closest to 'fair and balanced'.

Sorry to see him go and kudos to Fox for principle (and fear of future lawsuits) vs ratings.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Referring only to his show, I liked the Factor. It was the most tolerable Fox news show for me and came closest to 'fair and balanced'.

Sorry to see him go and kudos to Fox for principle (and fear of future lawsuits) vs ratings.

The principle? This had been going on for years and with many different women. They only dumped him when sponsors started to drop his show. It's shocking how little in the way of principles the network has. Actually, no, it's not. It's entirely consistent with who they are and who they've always wanted to be.

[JonInMiddleGA]

and who they've always wanted to be.

What? The only TV news organization is the U.S. that even comes close to being worth a damn for decades?

[panerd]

Leftovers Season 3 kicked off last weekend and Bosch is back as well. These have moved up in the past couple of years as two of my top shows.

Since this is the last season of the Leftovers I have a small worry of a Lost like ending. They have done surprisingly well of not making a show whose premise is 5% of the world's population disappeared all at once too "out there". Though Kevin=Jesus could push it there this season. Great show if you haven't watched strong recommend on seasons 1-2.

[Honolulu_Blue]

What? The only TV news organization is the U.S. that even comes close to being worth a damn for decades?

lol

[Kodos]

The original Fake News.

[RainMaker]

The Leftovers is so good. Turning a running gag on the Perfect Strangers thing into such a powerful scene is what makes this show special. Every little detail including the piano version of that theme song and the name of the episode.

[CrescentMoonie]

Really enjoyed Z: The Beginning of Everything. Amazon isn't on par with Netflix yet, but this is a fun, authentic feeling show with Christina Ricci adding another great performance to her always interesting career.

[sovereignstar v2]

The Leftovers is so good. Turning a running gag on the Perfect Strangers thing into such a powerful scene is what makes this show special. Every little detail including the piano version of that theme song and the name of the episode.

+1

[sovereignstar v2]

Leftovers Season 3 kicked off last weekend and Bosch is back as well. These have moved up in the past couple of years as two of my top shows.

Since this is the last season of the Leftovers I have a small worry of a Lost like ending. They have done surprisingly well of not making a show whose premise is 5% of the world's population disappeared all at once too "out there". Though Kevin=Jesus could push it there this season. Great show if you haven't watched strong recommend on seasons 1-2.

Still love Lost in every way imaginable lol.

[panerd]

Billions season 2 final two episodes were outstanding television and how you need to wrap up a season. Lewis and Giamatti are bringing their A games for sure.

[OldGiants]

Fargo.

Love the Minsky box and all the other Marvin Minsky references.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Still love Lost in every way imaginable lol.

I remain a big fan of the show myself. The ending wasn't perfect, but far too many people focus on that and forget just what a remarkable show it was, especially given the era of TV it came out in and the fact that it was a network show.

Lost provided so many brilliant episodes, memorable scenes, and fantastic characters. It didn't end up delivering on all of its promises, but the journey was more than worth it.

The Leftovers is fantastic.

[RainMaker]

Lot of shows cancelled this week. Was kind of surprised to see Last Man Standing on the list but I guess it was expensive and ABC/Disney didn't have a good deal with the studio on it. Figured with how well it does in syndication they'd keep going with it.

Full list is here. Nothing really stands out I guess besides The Knick which is great but wasn't expecting a third season.

TV shows canceled in 2016-17: 48 and counting – TV By The Numbers by zap2it.com (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/tv-shows-canceled-in-2016-17-9-and-counting/)

[Thomkal]

sad to see Timeless get cancelled.

[OldGiants]

sad to see Timeless get cancelled.
Even better to read NBC changed it's mind and picked it up. Sony cut it's fee to make the deal work.

[Thomkal]

Even better to read NBC changed it's mind and picked it up. Sony cut it's fee to make the deal work.

yeah nice to see a good show get rewarded.

[Thomkal]

It's been far too long since we have had a Star Trek post in this thread :) So I give you the first trailer for the new show:

Star Trek: Discovery first trailer released (http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/17/star-trek-discovery-trailer/)

Not sure I'm a big fan on the time this takes place in Star Trek history, but guess I'll wait and see on that. I've also noticed that the first season of a Trek show is its weakest-all the actors are new to their characters and the Trek universe, and it takes time for them to get comfortable with it and the writers to find their voices. Psyched though that there will be a new race represented on the ship.

[thesloppy]

I think I'd be a lot more psyched about a Star Trek show in a cultural vacuum, but in this age of endless reboots, comic book origin stories, and sequels ad infinitum it almost just sounds exhausting. I gotta keep track of these characters too, now? As one of the original drivers of the endless sequel I think I'm willing give them even less slack.

[RainMaker]

Only 3 episodes of Leftovers left. Just so good.

[molson]

Twin Peaks premiers tonight. I'm subscribing to Showtime with a $5/month Dish deal just for that and to catchup with Homeland. I'm intentionally avoided any speculation/news about what it will actually be about, and it's been a few years since I've watched the original Twin Peaks, but I did glance at the cast list and it's ridiculous. 217 actors for 8 episodes, including people who aren't actors, like UFC Middleweight Champion Michael Bisping and Eddie Vedder. I have no idea what to expect but I'm looking forward to it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Only 3 episodes of Leftovers left. Just so good.

It really is. This season has been fantastic.

[ISiddiqui]

2 episodes of The Leftovers remaining. This past episode is one of the best of the series. Sad to see this show go.

[Suicane75]

Twin Peaks premiers tonight. I'm subscribing to Showtime with a $5/month Dish deal just for that and to catchup with Homeland. I'm intentionally avoided any speculation/news about what it will actually be about, and it's been a few years since I've watched the original Twin Peaks, but I did glance at the cast list and it's ridiculous. 217 actors for 8 episodes, including people who aren't actors, like UFC Middleweight Champion Michael Bisping and Eddie Vedder. I have no idea what to expect but I'm looking forward to it.

I'm barreling through all the previous stuff in anticipation of season 3 as I'd never seen any of it before. Season 1 was fantastic. Wish I had watched it sooner but it was one of those things where I just missed out on the initial run and never had the inclination, for whatever reason, to watch it.

[Radii]

2 episodes of The Leftovers remaining. The last episode is one of the best of the series. Sad to see this show go.

ugggh, i have got to make time to catch up, I really want to watch the finale at least within a day or two of when it airs. I'm only on the second episode.

[RainMaker]

I thought the Leftovers ending was well done. Just a terrific show.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I thought the Leftovers ending was well done. Just a terrific show.

Agreed. I loved it. The show was fantastic. I'm sorry to see it go, but I think it said all it needed to say.

[Radii]

I caught up and finished The Leftovers tonight. I loved the entire series, I was one of the ones that even loved Season 1 with its overwhelming darkness. The last four episodes were, even by the high standards set by this show, absolutely brilliant.

Its hard to judge so soon after something ends, but I like to do it anyway. I don't ever imagine that I'll say this is the best show that I've ever seen, but no other show has made me feel as much, or moved me as much as this one.

[RainMaker]

I loved Season one as well. Not sure it's my favorite show of all time but it's the one show that I thought about days after watching.

[ISiddiqui]

The Leftovers is really one of the best shows I've ever seen. Sad that more haven't watched it, but I have a feeling it'll be one of those shows talked about for a long while.

[Butter]

The Leftovers is really one of the best shows I've ever seen. Sad that more haven't watched it, but I have a feeling it'll be one of those shows talked about for a long while.

People will be coming back to it for years after, like The Wire. You just have to get over the unrelenting bleakness of Season 1.

Finally re-subscribed to HBO mostly just to be able to watch this final season. It didn't disappoint. Theroux and Coon acted the shit out of it, and Theroux made me laugh more than you would think. Especially things like the dick scanner in the penultimate episode.

I'm going to miss it, but I agree with H_B that it had run its course.

So, what does everyone think about the very end:


Was Nora telling the truth about what happened after she "departed", or was it just another story?

[Butter]

And holy shit, how did Michael McKean not get an Emmy nom for this season's BETTER CALL SAUL?

[albionmoonlight]

And holy shit, how did Michael McKean not get an Emmy nom for this season's BETTER CALL SAUL?

Travesty.

[BishopMVP]

HBO's The Defiant Ones was a pretty interesting doc. Also, Jimmy Iovine's unibrow made Anthony Davis' look like child's play.

[NobodyHere]

Maybe I should create a 2018/2019 TV thread

'Game of Thrones' Showrunners Announce Next Project for HBO: 'Confederate' (http://www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-showrunners-confederate/)

[RainMaker]

Maybe I should create a 2018/2019 TV thread

'Game of Thrones' Showrunners Announce Next Project for HBO: 'Confederate' (http://www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-showrunners-confederate/)

I'm in. Love me some alternative history stuff. Man in the High Castle is a fun show.

[digamma]

I'll pitch a friend's show: I'm Sorry (http://www.trutv.com/shows/im-sorry/index.html) on TruTV. Three episodes in and I'm laughing my tail off.

[Groundhog]

8 episodes in, and The Handmaid's Tale is pretty amazing thus far, definitely the best new show I've seen in awhile. I'm pretty much over the whole "parallel flashbacks" thing, but it works wonders here in fleshing out the characters and the post-crisis USA.

[Butter]

I'll pitch a friend's show: I'm Sorry (http://www.trutv.com/shows/im-sorry/index.html) on TruTV. Three episodes in and I'm laughing my tail off.

I think they've done a decent enough job of trying to get eyeballs to this show, but it being on TruTV just seems odd.

[CrescentMoonie]

Sneaky Pete on Amazon Prime is pretty good. Bryan Cranston, Giovanni Ribisi, and Margo Martindale are all excellent and the rest of the cast holds there own well enough.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'll pitch a friend's show: I'm Sorry (http://www.trutv.com/shows/im-sorry/index.html) on TruTV. Three episodes in and I'm laughing my tail off.

I've heard good things and watched the first three episodes. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Good stuff!

[CrescentMoonie]

It's a "TV" show called Cobra Kai, with Johnny reopening the dojo in his 50s, written by the Hot Tub Time Machine guys, and there will be ten 30 minute episodes on YouTube Red. None of these things sound like good ideas. Also, Ralph Macchio is looking less and less like Daniel Son and more and more like Horshack Son.

https://hiddenremote.com/2017/08/07/karate-kid-finally-getting-closure-thirty-years-later/

[CrescentMoonie]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/netflix-signs-scandal-creator-shonda-rhimes-away-from-abc-as-battle-for-talent-escalates-1502683261?mod=e2fb

Netflix signs Shonda Rhimes away from ABC. When do we get to the point that Netflix shows go into syndication on cable/MyTV types of channels?

[CrescentMoonie]

The Tick is excellent. Amazon Prime isn't on par with Netflix, but they've got several great shows now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

When do we get to the point that Netflix shows go into syndication on cable/MyTV types of channels?

Whenever one reaches the point of having enough episodes & it's profitable all the way around to do so.

When "seasons" are as short as they are, it's tough.

So far, only House of Cards and OitNB are even sniffing enough episodes for traditional syndication and even they would need 2-3 more seasons in the can before they got there. Everything thing else from Netflix is still 5 or more seasons away at least.

Thing is, the Netflix concept kind IS already syndication so what the traditional market would be for a lot of stuff is kind of questionable to me.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Tick is excellent. Amazon Prime isn't on par with Netflix, but they've got several great shows now.

It really is. I loved the old cartoon and the Amazon series is fantastic. It definitely measures up and captures the essence of the cartoon. I really hope there'll be more seasons.

[ISiddiqui]

I am amazed that it was Amazon and not Hulu that became the strong #2 for original programming from a streaming service. It appears also that Amazon is taking a slightly different approach to some of their original programming in that they have quite a bit of 6 episode seasons in addition to their 13 episode seasons (which seems to be the new standard for cable/streaming). Speaking of Netflix and Amazon, Bojack Horseman Season 4 and One Mississippi Season 2 come out today.

[CrescentMoonie]

Netflix is moving to shorter seasons for certain things as well. Voltron season 3 was 7 episodes and season 4 will release in October as 6 more episodes. It looks like they're taking the approach of short storyline arcs, almost like comic books.

[NobodyHere]

Anyone watch The Orville tonight? It's Seth MacFarlane's live action Star Trek parody directed by the guy who played the clown in Seinfeld. Seth MacFarlane is a terrific voice actor but slightly above average live action actor. The show was kind of luke-warm but has enough ideas that will force me to watch the next one.

Also the lead actress graduated from high school five miles away from me and a year earlier, which makes her the biggest actress from Toledo since Tom Cruise's ex-wife!

[CrescentMoonie]

I enjoyed The Orville, but it will need to get stronger to survive.

[ISiddiqui]

Man, BoJack season 4 (and I'm only halfway into it) is amazing stuff. I can't believe that an animated show about human-like animals may be one of the best things on television.

[Thomkal]

I enjoyed The Orville, but it will need to get stronger to survive.

Most of the characters are meant to be intentionally unlikable at first, and not take themselves seriously, so its hard to root for it when just in a couple weeks Star Trek comes back.

[CrescentMoonie]

The Orville got a rating of 2.8 in the 18-49 age range for the premier, equaling what This is Us did last year.

[NobodyHere]

I thought The Orville was much better this week.

[CrescentMoonie]

Not sure where they're going to go with it, but really enjoying the season premier of The Good Place.

[CrescentMoonie]

Just when you think Hulu is on the upswing, their "updated" experience has left a ton of people unable to watch anything on any device other than a web browser. I cannot use my Roku to watch anything and the watchlist isn't even on it.

The "solution" provided by the infinitely wise helpdesk for Hulu is to install Hulu on a device you've never installed it on before. Yes, they're telling you they don't have a clue how to fix it on your existing devices, and that you should have a new one to put Hulu on if you want it to work properly and incorporate your watchlist.

How does this get past beta testing?

[NobodyHere]

Anyone been watching the Ken Burn's Vietnam series? It's pretty decent. I like how it does give some perspective from North Vietnamese soldiers. It seems like that's missing from most documentaries about 'nam.

[NobodyHere]

Still lovin The Orville

[CrescentMoonie]

A Russian-English dictionary and a fidget spinner.

[CrescentMoonie]

Yeah, the Orville has been really solid.

"It is my understanding that Lieutenant Malloy has complimented me."

[molson]

Nice to have Curb back.

I'm pretty sure based on the premiere that the show is past its prime, but I'm OK with that.

[CrescentMoonie]

Almost halfway through the premier of The Inhumans and it's inhumane to expect people to watch this. Just so unbearably awful yet I want to finish the episode to see if they get things going the right direction.

Right now it's on par with a bad syndicated show from the 90s.

[Thomkal]

Almost halfway through the premier of The Inhumans and it's inhumane to expect people to watch this. Just so unbearably awful yet I want to finish the episode to see if they get things going the right direction.

Right now it's on par with a bad syndicated show from the 90s.

I'm about 15 minutes in-so hard to give a verdict on it. Was not a big fan of the story in the comics, so its really going to have to win me over.

[larrymcg421]

Love the direction that The Good Place is going in. I was wondering how they could continue post-twist, but...

...putting Michael and the main group on the same side (for now) is a brilliant idea.

[CrescentMoonie]

I overestimated The Inhumans at the halfway point. It makes Iron Fist look like an Emmy winner.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Almost halfway through the premier of The Inhumans and it's inhumane to expect people to watch this. Just so unbearably awful yet I want to finish the episode to see if they get things going the right direction.

Right now it's on par with a bad syndicated show from the 90s.

I had the misfortune of seeing this while grabbing a bite to eat.

Given how painfully bad it was to me -- who doesn't care one iota about it -- I can only imagine how much worse it was for anyone watching that actually cared.

I'm not sure it even reaches 90s syndication caliber. It looked more like a worst-of-Power-Rangers to me.

[Thomkal]

Almost halfway through the premier of The Inhumans and it's inhumane to expect people to watch this. Just so unbearably awful yet I want to finish the episode to see if they get things going the right direction.

Right now it's on par with a bad syndicated show from the 90s.

I finally watched the whole 2 hours. It had two main problems for me: 1) The Inhumans are probably one of the least known (liked?) Marvel families. It would have been nice to flesh out the characters a little more, and the society they have on the moon. Instead we just get a quick look at them, and then they are thrown into conflict with each other.

2. A lot of stuff when they got to Earth was just stupid/badly done. I thought they were supposed to be smarter/superior to us humans? They don't do a good job of showing it, especially Gorgon when he jumped underwater trying to find Triton, knowing full well he'd drown easily. Did he expect Triton to still be alive and save him? And all the scenes after that with the Hawaiian surfer boys was just cringeworthy. So I will probably watch one more episode to see where they are going with the story then give up on it.

[CrescentMoonie]

The Good Place and The Orville are absolutely must watch TV at this point. The Good Place is the most well written and acted thing on a network in years. The Orville feels like an homage to Star Trek TNG through the eyes of Brian Griffin in the best way possible.

[NobodyHere]

The Good Place and The Orville are absolutely must watch TV at this point. The Good Place is the most well written and acted thing on a network in years. The Orville feels like an homage to Star Trek TNG through the eyes of Brian Griffin in the best way possible.

You know The Orville is there to fulfill Seth MacFarlane's fantasies because a) He loves Star Trek especially TNG and b) he gets to sleep with Charlize Theron.

I think I'd love any show with Seinfeld references and amputated legs.

[CrescentMoonie]

You know The Orville is there to fulfill Seth MacFarlane's fantasies because a) He loves Star Trek especially TNG and b) he gets to sleep with Charlize Theron.

I think I'd love any show with Seinfeld references and amputated legs.

The partially regenerated leg with the crutches got a spit take out of me. So absurdly brilliant.

[CrescentMoonie]

The Gifted is No Ordinary Family with a much darker tone. For the premier that worked, we'll see how it goes the next few weeks.

[CrescentMoonie]

Snoop's version of Joker's Wild is stunningly entertaining. I can't even switch back to the baseball game right now. Just a mezmerizingly perfect vehicle for him.

[CrescentMoonie]

The Good Place is still brilliant.

The Gifted is horrendous. It's the worst of No Ordinary Family combined with the worst of Heroes.

[NobodyHere]

Well this is interesting

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/entertainment/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-amazon/index.html

ETA:

Amazon: ‘The Lord of the Rings’ TV Series With Multi-Season Commitment | Deadline (http://deadline.com/2017/11/amazon-the-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-multi-season-commitment-1202207065/)

It came with an upfront rights payment said to be in the $200 million-$250 million range, and I hear Amazon landed the rights by paying close to $250 million. That is just for the rights, before any costs for development, talent and production, in proposition whose finances industry observers called “insane.”

If true, WOW

[thesloppy]

Awesome, it will be great to see that story finally told on screezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

[NobodyHere]

Some sources are even saying that Amazon bought the rights to produce material off The Silmarillion(Which the Tolkein Estate has thus far been reluctant to give) which if true would give me an instant nerd boner.

[korme]

The season finale of Nathan For You was some great television. Laughed, cried. Had it all.

[Thomkal]

well thought I had started a 2018 TV thread, but I guess not. Anyway I bumped this to talk about a new SyFy/superhero show-Krypton-that starts tonight. Wasn't that interested until I saw the trailer. They are going back to when Krypton was still there, and telling the story of how Superman's grandfather had to be inspired by a time travelling Adam Strange from Earth/Rann to become the hero/legend that would inspire his grandson to become the hero that he would become on Earth, and why he wears the S on his chest. Oh and Brainiac is involved.

KRYPTON (Syfy) Trailer HD - Superman prequel series - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSZKB2WNKg)

[RainMaker]

I thought the new Roseanne was pretty decent. First episode was kind of busy but the second was solid. Then again I'm a fan of the old show.

[JPhillips]

I thought the new Roseanne was pretty decent. First episode was kind of busy but the second was solid. Then again I'm a fan of the old show.

Roseanne may be the star, but Goodman makes the whole thing work.

[dolfin]

I rather enjoyed the reboot myself. I do like how they brought in both Becky's. And completely agree, I really like Goodman

[NobodyHere]

I never watched the original Roseanne show and figured the new show was based on nostalgia.

But man the show got more ratings than I ever thought it would.

ABC’s ‘Roseanne’ premiere was the highest-rated sitcom episode in years - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/03/28/abcs-roseanne-premiere-was-the-highest-rated-sitcom-episode-in-years/?utm_term=.443b2b768f67)

[Butter]

I thought the new Roseanne was pretty decent. First episode was kind of busy but the second was solid. Then again I'm a fan of the old show.

Agreed!

[Thomkal]

Even the President, who hates Hollywood, liked Roseanne. Gee I wonder why?

Trump heaps praise on Roseanne: &lsquo;Look at her ratings!&rsquo; - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/29/trump-roseanne-praise-ratings-492267)

[thealmighty]

Does nobody watch The Americans anymore?

Final season debut the other day.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Does nobody watch The Americans anymore?

Final season debut the other day.

I do. Been one of my favorite shows since it started. Haven’t been able to watch the latest episode yet.

[Butter]

Does nobody watch The Americans anymore?

Final season debut the other day.

Absolutely. Sad to see it end, excited to see how.

[hoopsguy]

I assume/hope that some folks are still watching Legion? Back for season 2, weirder/cooler than anything else I watch.