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Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 01:37 PM
Half the country thought Trump would start WW3. Turns out that the iPhone was almost the culprit today...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HAWAII - THIS IS A FALSE ALARM. THERE IS NO INCOMING MISSILE TO HAWAII. I HAVE CONFIRMED WITH OFFICIALS THERE IS NO INCOMING MISSILE. <a href="https://t.co/DxfTXIDOQs">pic.twitter.com/DxfTXIDOQs</a></p>&mdash; Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/952243723525677056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 02:11 PM
Holy cow. This came over TV as well. This had to be utterly terrifying.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The moment the EAS alert interrupted Hawaiian TV is terrifying <a href="https://t.co/pVwpCBeRgD">pic.twitter.com/pVwpCBeRgD</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) <a href="https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/952246857933221888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Edward64
01-13-2018, 02:38 PM
Pretty damn scary.

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 02:45 PM
says media cannot be played-got another link Ben?I just hit play twice and it gets past the error message.

If you can't get past it, it's the standard emergency message long beep sound, then the standard computerized voice saying stuff like "missile impact within minutes", "this is not a drill", "if you are outside, get inside and stay away from windows", "take immediate action measures", "if you are driving go get inside a building", and so forth

dubb93
01-13-2018, 02:46 PM
hxxps://youtu.be/5X-x5KtE9mg

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 02:46 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5X-x5KtE9mg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 03:03 PM
Here's a link that shows what it looked like on local ABC, NBC, and CBS broadcasts:

Attention Required! | Cloudflare (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-terrifying-moment-a-fake-missile-alert-interrupted-hawaiian-tv?via=twitter_page)

NobodyHere
01-13-2018, 03:11 PM
The Hawaii governor is saying that a wrong button was pushed during a shift change.

But imagine the confusion if North Korea actually sent a missile right now.

Shkspr
01-13-2018, 03:16 PM
I prefer to believe that the threat was real and Five-Oh saved us.

Book 'em, Danno.

Toddzilla
01-13-2018, 03:19 PM
That is fucked up.

Thomkal
01-13-2018, 03:26 PM
wow that would have been scary to see that from the emergency broadcast system.

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 03:38 PM
But imagine the confusion if North Korea actually sent a missile right now.or any time soon at all. Or if there’s an earthquake/tsunami. Not good to erode confidence in that system.

AlexB
01-13-2018, 03:39 PM
The Hawaii governor is saying that a wrong button was pushed during a shift change.

But imagine the confusion if North Korea actually sent a missile right now.

This happened on a somewhat lesser scale to me a couple of years back: driving to London my Audi Satnav came up with a message saying there were major delays on my route due to an Air Raid!

Exact same reason - someone punched the wrong code into the report. I was listening to my iPod at the time, and it did make me switch to the radio just to check!

Can only imagine how scary it would be if there was a baackground that made a false alarm plausible

Thomkal
01-13-2018, 03:39 PM
The Hawaii governor is saying that a wrong button was pushed during a shift change.

But imagine the confusion if North Korea actually sent a missile right now.

Certainly relieved that it was innocent (?) human error, but if three months later some reporter comes out with "what really happened with the Hawaii ballistic missile attack", I may just cry. :)

Thomkal
01-13-2018, 03:42 PM
Meanwhile Donald Trump was playing golf.

NobodyHere
01-13-2018, 03:48 PM
Meanwhile Donald Trump was playing golf.

That's probably for the best.

bhlloy
01-13-2018, 03:48 PM
Meanwhile Donald Trump was playing golf.

Thank God for that

JonInMiddleGA
01-13-2018, 04:06 PM
This isn't exactly new ground. Check the "Incidents" portion of the Wiki. On average, about once a year ever since the current system was put in place. To varying degrees (and with a couple of different causes) but this isn't groundbreaking stuff.

Emergency Alert System - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Alert_System#Results_of_November_9,_2011_test)

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 04:19 PM
Shimon Prokupecz on Twitter: ""It was a mistake made during a standard procedure at the change over of a shift and an employee pushed the wrong button," Governor of Hawai… https://t.co/mieGT70oQa" (https://twitter.com/shimonpro/status/952264321387712513)

I’m no expert on warning system protocol, but what kinda stupid setup keeps the “shift change” button next to the “ZOMFG INCOMING MISSILE ALERT” button???

panerd
01-13-2018, 04:29 PM
Shimon Prokupecz on Twitter: ""It was a mistake made during a standard procedure at the change over of a shift and an employee pushed the wrong button," Governor of Hawai… https://t.co/mieGT70oQa" (https://twitter.com/shimonpro/status/952264321387712513)

I’m no expert on warning system protocol, but what kinda stupid setup keeps the “shift change” button next to the “ZOMFG INCOMING MISSILE ALERT” button???

Turn your key.http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/96/WG_04.jpg/600px-WG_04.jpg

Edward64
01-13-2018, 04:31 PM
Whats that movie from?

panerd
01-13-2018, 04:42 PM
Whats that movie from?

The beginning of WarGames.

Ben E Lou
01-13-2018, 05:02 PM
Whats that movie from?Having to ask that question is dang near cause for a banning 'round these parts.

molson
01-13-2018, 05:16 PM
Windows asks me if I'm sure before it will let me delete a file from my desktop. It's almost fool-proof. I'm no Emergency Broadcast System genius, but I'd recommend something like that.

Of course, I'm not sure if the Emergency Broadcast System is actually operated by computers, it sounds like they're still using physical buttons, 1970s' sci-fi movie style.

CrimsonFox
01-13-2018, 05:28 PM
Have a friend that is currently on vacation there. He was scratching his head a few minutes ago seeing both messages.

CrimsonFox
01-13-2018, 05:28 PM
Having to ask that question is dang near cause for a banning 'round these parts.

He wants to play a game.

Edward64
01-13-2018, 07:38 PM
Having to ask that question is dang near cause for a banning 'round these parts.

Darn, how old is that movie!

FWIW, even though I think the person(s) responsible for the mistake should be disciplined severely, it ultimately will help people take basic preparation more seriously, get families to talk about the what-ifs etc.

Definitely screwed if you are in the middle of the blast, but there is a X miles away where your odds of survival increases with some prep and knowledge.

NobodyHere
01-15-2018, 01:03 PM
So the problem was caused by a guy selecting "missile alert" from a drop down menu instead of "test missile alert".

How wonder how much he gets paid.

bhlloy
01-15-2018, 01:15 PM
So the problem was caused by a guy selecting "missile alert" from a drop down menu instead of "test missile alert".

How wonder how much he gets paid.

Never mind that - how much did the people who designed that system get paid for it?

PilotMan
01-15-2018, 02:44 PM
Never mind that - how much did the people who designed that system get paid for it?

That was my thought. How are these next to one another in the UI?

Marc Vaughan
01-15-2018, 03:21 PM
So the problem was caused by a guy selecting "missile alert" from a drop down menu instead of "test missile alert".

How wonder how much he gets paid.

Chances are the simulation for testing the missile alert drill is nearly identical to the actual real one apart from one step ... that is fairly sensible as it needs to follow it to ensure that they're doing things right ... as such it sounds like whatever 'selection' was meant to mean its a 'test' wasn't set correctly ... but I could see how it could happen.

(Personally I'd have thought they'd have run these tests wholly 'offline' - ie. take down your SMS messaging connections etc. before running them to avoid risking this sort of thing, but I understand that could be problematic - after all what happens is the real thing happened mid-test?)

Thomkal
01-15-2018, 04:05 PM
The person responsible for all this has been "reassigned" to something that doesn't scare all of Hawaii.

PilotMan
01-15-2018, 04:25 PM
The person responsible for all this has been "reassigned" to something that doesn't scare all of Hawaii.

trump was reassigned?

Thomkal
01-15-2018, 04:42 PM
trump was reassigned?

if only :)

NobodyHere
01-20-2018, 10:14 PM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QueasyGrandIriomotecat-size_restricted.gif

Jughead Spock
01-21-2018, 02:53 PM
Figured maybe a picture of a graph would be more appropriate. :D

http://cdn.iflscience.com/images/aecbddb1-3090-55cb-998d-83d986844c07/content-1516271699-missiles.jpg

NobodyHere
01-23-2018, 05:26 AM
Hawaii governor didn't correct false missile alert sooner because he didn't know his Twitter password (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hawaii-governor-didnt-correct-false-missile-alert-sooner-because-he-didnt-know-his-twitter-password/ar-AAv3xtZ?li=BBnbfcL)

Your government at work everyone!

Edward64
01-30-2018, 01:46 PM
The guy thought it was for real. Nevertheless taking 30+ min to correct it is unforgivable.

Also, how come this just came out?

Worker Who Sent False Hawaii Alert Thought Threat Was Real, F.C.C. Says - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/technology/fcc-hawaii-missile-alert.html)

WASHINGTON — The state worker in Hawaii who sent a false wireless alert warning of an inbound ballistic missile on Jan. 13 issued the message intentionally, thinking the state faced an actual threat, the Federal Communications Commission said on Tuesday.

The mistake, which touched off widespread confusion and panic in Hawaii, occurred when an emergency management services worker on the day shift misinterpreted testing instructions from a midnight shift supervisor, the commission said. Believing the instructions were for a real emergency, the day-shift worker sent the live alert to the cellphones of all Hawaii residents and visitors to the state.

Officials had previously described the episode as an accident. Shortly after it happened, Gov. David Y. Ige of Hawaii blamed the false warning on a state employee who “pressed the wrong button.” State officials are scheduled to discuss the findings of their own investigation later on Tuesday afternoon.

Although other emergency management officials in Hawaii knew that the state was supposed to be conducting an internal drill at the time, the employee who sent the alert, who has not been publicly identified, told the commission in a written statement that he or she believed it was an actual emergency.

The employee then chose from options in a drop-down menu that included test and real alerts. When prompted with the question “Are you sure you want to send this alert?,” the employee clicked “yes,” according to the commission.

Edward64
01-30-2018, 01:52 PM
Here's a funny what if op-ed.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/kirby/2018/01/30/kirby-you-get-the-missile-alert-you-have-15-minutes-to-live-what-would-you-do-well-heres-my-list/
I’d spend at least the first 5 minutes cursing my own country’s government for not having the foresight to kill Kim Jong Un (making it look like an accident, of course) at any point during the past several years.

With billions of dollars at its disposal, how is it that the freaking CIA couldn’t have found some way to smuggle poisonous toilet paper into Kim’s john or jong? Hell, that’s how the agency killed Elvis.

If it was right now, me working from home about 25 miles North from downtown Atlanta, wife and daughter at school (about 2 miles away), don't think 15 min is enough to do much other than call/text them and son (in college) and tell them I love them, goodbye and try stay indoors if they survive the blast.

If everyone was home for the holidays, I would grab a bunch of water & snacks and get them all down to the basement. The basement windows and door is facing North so away from the blast. Probably start praying alot.

panerd
01-30-2018, 03:10 PM
The guy thought it was for real. Nevertheless taking 30+ min to correct it is unforgivable.

Also, how come this just came out?

Worker Who Sent False Hawaii Alert Thought Threat Was Real, F.C.C. Says - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/technology/fcc-hawaii-missile-alert.html)

My guess is this story will change again a few more times in the future and at some point we will get the real story. Of course I am holding out hope for the real Flight 93 story as well.

Edward64
01-30-2018, 09:53 PM
I feel sorry for the guy, sounds like there was no malicious intent just incompetence. Again, why did it take so long?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/us/hawaii-false-alarm-investigation/index.html
The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency employee who triggered the false ballistic missile alert earlier this month has been fired, the state adjutant general said Tuesday.

The unnamed employee said he didn't know it was an exercise, even though five other employees in the room heard "exercise, exercise, exercise, which indicates that it is a drill," an investigating officer told reporters.
Retired Brig. Gen. Bruce Oliveira said, "When it became apparent that the real-world alert was issued," the employee who pushed the button "seemed confused, he froze and another employee had to take over his responsibilities."

bhlloy
01-30-2018, 10:02 PM
"The employee "had a history of confusing drill and real-world events," Oliveira said."

Seems like it's more than the employee that should be fired here

AlexB
02-03-2018, 08:46 AM
Hawaii false alarm worker: I was 100% sure it was real - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42929174)

While not absolving the employee, even if preceded by ‘Exercise! Exercise! Exercise!’ why in the hell have the words ‘This is not a drill’ in a test?

Just asking for confusion

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