Racism in the News

[Edward64]

I do think the Roseanne Barr issue thread-jacked the Random Thoughts thread so I am creating a separate one for our discussion. I didn't see another thread dedicated to these news stories.

Just like anything else, I know discussions can get heated but most of us are okay arguing and then agreeing to disagree. Hopefully we will learn something from different points of view and be able to empathize more.

I do understand this is an especially sensitive topic so I'm fine if the Mods prefer to remove it.

[NobodyHere]

Is this thread about the Trump rally in Nashville right now?

[Edward64]

Did a quick look and didn't see anything that was racist? Lots of lies and misdirection though.

[bhlloy]

It's especially relevant that the Roseanne story comes out on the same day that we find out 4600 people died in Puerto Rico, likely many that were preventable after the fact if we'd given a shit about it.

But yeah, this is absolutely orgasmic for CNN. The Puerto Rico story doesn't even make their front page. Go figure.

[Ksyrup]

I find this to be interesting in the context of it coming from a comedian. I think people like Roseanne don't understand or appreciate the difference between their act and participating in political commentary on social media. In some sense, I can understand from their perspective that there's a blurring of lines when they are used to saying whatever they want and not only "getting away with it," but it's what made them famous.

What she said was not part of a comedy routine, it wasn't particularly funny (nor was it really intended to be, as it was more of a political shot than a joke), and it obviously crossed very bright lines. But comedians use racial stereotypes all the time in their routines. Obviously, Don Rickles would have a hard time existing today, but you've got examples like Lisa Lampanellli who are active right now as well. I just think this is an example of an aging comedy veteran saying what she thinks in the context of a joke and being oblivious to the firestorm she was creating. Not that she wasn't wrong, but I can see how it happened.

What really interests me are the seemingly random ways we decide who gets burned and who gets a pass. Gilbert Gottfried makes a tsunami joke and he can no longer be the voice of an advertising duck. Ice T lives in this dual world of actor and musician where he's screaming MFer every 3 seconds and he's doing lemonade stand commercials for Geico.

[BBT]

It's especially relevant that the Roseanne story comes out on the same day that we find out 4600 people died in Puerto Rico, likely many that were preventable after the fact if we'd given a shit about it.

But yeah, this is absolutely orgasmic for CNN. The Puerto Rico story doesn't even make their front page. Go figure.

So very true

[Edward64]

I wonder why/whats going on here?

2 in one week (that was captured on video). Full story missing but wonder if this has always happened or just a result of Trump?

Racist Driver Berates Asian-American Family: 'Go Back To Your Country, B***h' | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/racist-driver-goes-off-on-asian-american-family_us_5b0f2c7ae4b089a1b0987978)

[JPhillips]

Hola China?

[Edward64]

Hola China?

Yeah, I saw that. She was obviously spouting whatever.

Couldn't see much of the guy in the passenger side, wonder what he was thinking.

[Marc Vaughan]

I had to rent a house while mine was being repaired after Irma and after asking a neighbor to stop his dog from attempting to attack mine though MY fence at the rental (for some reason he always let his dog loose in the neighborhood in the evening) ....I was told to 'go back to where I came from' ...

From that day onward he was forever dubbed 'Racist Bob' when I mentioned him ... and yes, before anyone asks he was a proud Trump supporter.

[Edward64]

Awfully un-neighborly of him.

[Warhammer]

Awfully un-neighborly of him.

After 2 years of owning a dog as an adult, most dog owners are jerks when it comes to keeping their dog under control.

[Izulde]

I wonder why/whats going on here?

2 in one week (that was captured on video). Full story missing but wonder if this has always happened or just a result of Trump?

Racist Driver Berates Asian-American Family: 'Go Back To Your Country, B***h' | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/racist-driver-goes-off-on-asian-american-family_us_5b0f2c7ae4b089a1b0987978)

A little of A, a little of B. Stuff like this has always happened, but Trump makes them much more frequent and emboldens some of the more cowardly racists to be more overt about their beliefs.

[Edward64]

After 2 years of owning a dog as an adult, most dog owners are jerks when it comes to keeping their dog under control.

TBF I don't see this. I'm a dog owner and there are a bunch of dog owners in my subdivision (maybe its because its a subdivision?). For the most part we are all nice.

Most of the time it's "who didn't clean up after their dog". We did have one jerk who refused to keep dog on leash (and invisible fence working) but that was an exception.

Once every 1-2 weeks, there's a picture post on FB about seeing someone's dog running loose and the neighborhood quickly resolves that.

[Izulde]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/28/us/china-flight-student-kidnapping-intl/

Then there's weird shit like this (about a week or two old, but just saw it)

[molson]

TBF I don't see this. I'm a dog owner and there are a bunch of dog owners in my subdivision (maybe its because its a subdivision?). For the most part we are all nice.

Most of the time it's "who didn't clean up after their dog". We did have one jerk who refused to keep dog on leash (and invisible fence working) but that was an exception.

Once every 1-2 weeks, there's a picture post on FB about seeing someone's dog running loose and the neighborhood quickly resolves that.

I feel like this can vary wildly on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis. I lived in a small house in a nice neighborhood, I was charged by off-leash dogs all the time while I was walking my dog. I started carrying pepper spray after I got bit. Then I moved to a bigger house in a much worse neighborhood in the same city, and I've had zero dog issues. One or two dogs are off leash in their yard but they just sit there as we walk by. I walked my dog twice a day for 30-45 minutes each time for 2 years at both locations and the difference is ridiculous.

[tarcone]

A little of A, a little of B. Stuff like this has always happened, but Trump makes them much more frequent and emboldens some of the more cowardly racists to be more overt about their beliefs.

And add in the liberal media jumping on any story that has a whiff of racism and splashing it al over the place.
There have always been incidents like these, but with the availability of information to everyone at anytime, these things are pushed to the front a lot easier.

Im not sure people have been that emboldened by Trump. I feel like people are getting tired of the PC culture getting shoved down their throats, and their actions are an extreme response.

[ISiddiqui]

A little of A, a little of B. Stuff like this has always happened, but Trump makes them much more frequent and emboldens some of the more cowardly racists to be more overt about their beliefs.

Well also as more and more folks have cell phones with decent video capabilities, and social media is more and more ubiquitous, it makes it easy to share this sort of nonsense that had already been happening.

[Izulde]

And add in the liberal media jumping on any story that has a whiff of racism and splashing it al over the place.
There have always been incidents like these, but with the availability of information to everyone at anytime, these things are pushed to the front a lot easier.

Im not sure people have been that emboldened by Trump. I feel like people are getting tired of the PC culture getting shoved down their throats, and their actions are an extreme response.

:rolleyes:

PC was 20 years ago. It's SJW culture that occasionally goes overboard (mostly Tumblrinas that have a little awareness of a few things and take it in completely wrong directions, often with false interpretations and misinformation. Which is a shame, because SJWs and feminists in and of themselves have done a lot of important work in raising awareness and highlighting important issues. It's the fringe elements of those movements that are extreme and mistaken for the majority of the groups due to their vocal nature, thereby tarring the movements with an unwarranted broad brush.

[tarcone]

:rolleyes:

PC was 20 years ago. It's SJW culture that occasionally goes overboard (mostly Tumblrinas that have a little awareness of a few things and take it in completely wrong directions, often with false interpretations and misinformation. Which is a shame, because SJWs and feminists in and of themselves have done a lot of important work in raising awareness and highlighting important issues. It's the fringe elements of those movements that are extreme and mistaken for the majority of the groups due to their vocal nature, thereby tarring the movements with an unwarranted broad brush.

The same thing can be said about these people getting caught doing racist things. A whole group is being painted with the same brush as these racist fools.
I think what you are saying could be said about you when you say that it is Trumps fault. Its Trump that takes the fall with people when iut is the fringe element that causes the issues. These people have always been out there, and as IS said about phones and social media, it comes to the fore front.

It goes both ways. Cant be one or the other.

[Edward64]

Interesting.

The article calls it "racist". I'm not sure, if it is its kinda tame by today's standards I guess.

Einstein's diaries contain shocking details of his racism | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/06/13/einsteins-diaries-contain-shocking-details-his-racism.html)
The diaries were written between October 1922 and March 1923. In one entry Einstein wrote that the “Chinese don’t sit on benches while eating but squat like Europeans do when they relieve themselves out in the leafy woods. All this occurs quietly and demurely. Even the children are spiritless and look obtuse.”

Speaking about the “abundance of offspring” and the “fecundity” of the Chinese, he continued: “It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races. For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.

Einstein also derided the people of Ceylon, which is now known as Sri Lanka. In Ceylon, he wrote, the locals “live in great filth and considerable stench at ground level,” before adding they “do little, and need little. The simple economic cycle of life.”

Einstein also gave his thoughts on Japanese people, who he viewed in a more positive light, calling them "unostentatious, decent, altogether very appealing.” However, he also wrote the “intellectual needs of this nation seem to be weaker than their artistic ones – natural disposition?”

"Entries... contain passages that reveal Einstein's stereotyping of members of various nations and raise questions about his attitudes on race," a description of the book reads.
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“I think a lot of comments strike us as pretty unpleasant – what he says about the Chinese in particular," Rosenkranz told The Guardian. “They’re kind of in contrast to the public image of the great humanitarian icon. I think it’s quite a shock to read those and contrast them with his more public statements. They’re more off guard, he didn’t intend them for publication.”

[Edward64]

Starting to feel sorry for Roseanne.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/entertainment/roseanne-barr-shmuley-boteach-interview/index.html
Barr appeared to be sobbing as she told Boteach she has black children in her family and she "can't let 'em say these things about that, after 30 years of my putting my family and my health and my livelihood at risk to stand up for people."

"I'm a lot of things, a loud mouth and all that stuff," she said emotionally. "But I'm not stupid for God's sake. I never would have wittingly called any black person, [I would never had said] they are a monkey."

Roseanne says she 'begged' ABC to save her show

Barr stressed that her saying she was on Ambien at the time she tweeted was an explanation, not an excuse.

"There's no excuse. I don't excuse it," she said. "It's an explanation. I was impaired you know."

She also told Boteach, "I horribly regret it."

[JPhillips]

Her twitter feed is full of garbage, but right now, towards the top is a retweet of this ironic gem:

For @TheJuanWilliams to defend Peter Fonda and say it was a poorly worded tweet is inexcusable. @FoxNews to fire him!

[Kodos]

Starting to feel sorry for Roseanne.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/entertainment/roseanne-barr-shmuley-boteach-interview/index.html

I think she got what she deserved.

[Edward64]

I think she got what she deserved.

Yeah probably.

I did have a colleague that took ambien and went to sleep on a flight. When he landed, people were telling him he was talking and socializing with them and he had no recollection.

[miami_fan]

This is probably better placed here than in the MLB thread. Which is it?

Insensitive comments?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/06/27/chris-bosio-fired-detroit-tigers-pitching-coach-insensitive-comments/739585002/

Racial charged comments?

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-chris-bosio-over-racially-charged-comments/

Or Racist comments?

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-over-racist-rant/

[NobodyHere]

Yeah probably.

I did have a colleague that took ambien and went to sleep on a flight. When he landed, people were telling him he was talking and socializing with them and he had no recollection.

I also have an experience of blacking out after taking Ambien and then apparently socializing and even playing chess.

[EagleFan]

This is probably better placed here than in the MLB thread. Which is it?

Insensitive comments?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/06/27/chris-bosio-fired-detroit-tigers-pitching-coach-insensitive-comments/739585002/

Racial charged comments?

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-chris-bosio-over-racially-charged-comments/

Or Racist comments?

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-over-racist-rant/

Seems to be some irresponsible reporting going on. While it could have been racial, I see nothing other than speculation. Going from insensitive to full blown racist rant with no report of what the comments actually was seems more than a stretch.

It may turn out that it was racial, but let the evidence come out before casting judgment.

[Edward64]

I also have an experience of blacking out after taking Ambien and then apparently socializing and even playing chess.

So I guess I can easily believe Roseanne saying she took ambien and didn't mean to say those things.

But she is a big girl with lots of money. And she is a Trump supporter.

[miami_fan]

Seems to be some irresponsible reporting going on. While it could have been racial, I see nothing other than speculation. Going from insensitive to full blown racist rant with no report of what the comments actually was seems more than a stretch.

It may turn out that it was racial, but let the evidence come out before casting judgment.

True. On the other hand, the Tigers have the evidence and they laid down their judgement. The Tigers GM specifically made a point of not saying whether it was racial or sexual. And they said that is the last thing they are going to say about the matter. So I guess all we are going to get is speculation from here now on. I honestly think they did Bosio a favor to be honest in the end by not saying anything.

[RainMaker]

So I guess I can easily believe Roseanne saying she took ambien and didn't mean to say those things.

But she is a big girl with lots of money. And she is a Trump supporter.

What about the other dozen or so times she said stuff?

I'm sure Ambien can mess with memory but I don't think it turns you into something you're not.

[JPhillips]

Yeah, look at her twitter feed. The whole thing is a cesspool.

[BYU 14]

So I guess I can easily believe Roseanne saying she took ambien and didn't mean to say those things.

But she is a big girl with lots of money. And she is a Trump supporter.

If this is what it does to her she obviously takes it a helluva lot and has for oh, the last 30+ years.

I'd be more apt to giver her a pass if this was an isolated incident, but she has pushed the envelope for her entire career and having a twitter account just allows her to put her foot in her mouth to a wider audience now.

[Julio Riddols]

Based on personal experience working front desk at a hotel in the rural part of Western NC, Trump being president HAS made bigoted rhetoric more frequent. I hear it in gas stations around town, I heard it on my lunch breaks when I worked at the flooring plant last winter too.. How a "straight white man" is gonna fix shit. I kept my mouth shut at the time as hard as it was to do so, since I had to work with these people. Since his election, I've checked in way more loudmouths who openly brag about how Trump is on their side and he's gonna get rid of the "towelheads" and the "wetbacks". At the time he became president we had a few white workers here that took that as an opportunity to start shit with our housekeepers (mexican housekeepers) talking about Trump like he was right outside with a bus waiting to take them back across the border. They called my boss a sand nigger to his face after he fired them despite the fact that he had hired all of them when they really needed work and had also given them financial assistance when they needed it which they never repaid. If there were enough black people around I am sure I would hear more about them too. My black neighbor who had to move away was always talking about how much he dealt with on a daily basis in town and how it took all his forgiveness sometimes to not retaliate.

It isn't all the media's doing. Places like where I live are cesspools of ignorance and Fox News fed hysteria and the things I hear make me physically ill sometimes because it is all so bigoted and ridiculous.

Followers of leaders draw power and take cues from that leadership, and when the leadership is a pompous ass with no decorum who lies for his own benefit, you can bet his followers are right behind him going "Yeah, fuck you, fuck you and fuck you too" to anyone who even tries to engage them.

I bet if you were able to poll the locals here and get the answer of what they really think deep in their hearts, you'd find close to 50% of them would totally love to go back to the days of lynchings and segregated everything.

[Edward64]

What about the other dozen or so times she said stuff?

I'm sure Ambien can mess with memory but I don't think it turns you into something you're not.

I actually didn't know about the other stuff (never was a Roseanne fan) just the last incident which is when she was referring to the ambien. I've didn't hear of other incidents with her but I can believe it.

I would agree, if she has a history of saying this stuff and she has been taking ambien, she can't blame all/most of it on ambien. (Just stop taking it and find another way to sleep)

[CU Tiger]

Based on personal experience working front desk at a hotel in the rural part of Western NC, Trump being president HAS made bigoted rhetoric more frequent. I hear it in gas stations around town, I heard it on my lunch breaks when I worked at the flooring plant last winter too.. How a "straight white man" is gonna fix shit. I kept my mouth shut at the time as hard as it was to do so, since I had to work with these people. Since his election, I've checked in way more loudmouths who openly brag about how Trump is on their side and he's gonna get rid of the "towelheads" and the "wetbacks". At the time he became president we had a few white workers here that took that as an opportunity to start shit with our housekeepers (mexican housekeepers) talking about Trump like he was right outside with a bus waiting to take them back across the border. They called my boss a sand nigger to his face after he fired them despite the fact that he had hired all of them when they really needed work and had also given them financial assistance when they needed it which they never repaid. If there were enough black people around I am sure I would hear more about them too. My black neighbor who had to move away was always talking about how much he dealt with on a daily basis in town and how it took all his forgiveness sometimes to not retaliate.

It isn't all the media's doing. Places like where I live are cesspools of ignorance and Fox News fed hysteria and the things I hear make me physically ill sometimes because it is all so bigoted and ridiculous.

Followers of leaders draw power and take cues from that leadership, and when the leadership is a pompous ass with no decorum who lies for his own benefit, you can bet his followers are right behind him going "Yeah, fuck you, fuck you and fuck you too" to anyone who even tries to engage them.

I bet if you were able to poll the locals here and get the answer of what they really think deep in their hearts, you'd find close to 50% of them would totally love to go back to the days of lynchings and segregated everything.

This is the lynching segregated NC that carried (I dont know the right word, but they voted him) Obama in both elections, right?

I mean granted you are in the backwood mountain most rural piece of the state, but still lets not forget recent history.

[Chief Rum]

This is the lynching segregated NC that carried (I dont know the right word, but they voted him) Obama in both elections, right?

I mean granted you are in the backwood mountain most rural piece of the state, but still lets not forget recent history.

Are you saying he didn't actually experience this?

[Warhammer]

Trump was created as a backlash of the last 20 or so years. The media narrative has been about building up minorities. If you questioned whether a minority is good at a position, you were labeled a racist. EDIT: regardless of their performance at their position.

In this past election, you have a narcissist that declares he is running for office. He has never been in politics before, and he says whatever is on his mind. You have people that have felt muzzled and that no one had been listening to them for the previous 10-15 years flock to him. He is saying whatever comes to mind regardless of consequence. His opponents are life long politicians who have delivered on very few, if any, of the promises that were made to these voters. They turn to the outsider for a few reasons, he has not lied to them yet, and they feel they can trust him because he will say what is on his mind.

In the run up to the election, a Clinton presidency was presented as a foregone conclusion. How big was the landslide going to be? Instead, Trump wins. Immediately, demonstrations break out. Allegations that the election was rigged. This dominates the news for months. The voters who elected Trump become concerned that this victory is going to be taken away from them. The media (actual news media, but also including celebrities here) talks about how stupid and ignorant 50% of the country is for voting for him, including those who voted for him because he was the lesser of two evils.

With all this going on, we're surprised that these people are going to speak their minds? Unfortunately, many of these people that felt they did not have a voice are racist and blame many of the evils today on minorities.

[CarterNMA]

White People Are Cowards (https://www.theroot.com/white-people-are-cowards-1826958780)

Don't know much about The Root or Michael Harriot but is this some racism in the news?

[miami_fan]

This is probably better placed here than in the MLB thread. Which is it?

Insensitive comments?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/06/27/chris-bosio-fired-detroit-tigers-pitching-coach-insensitive-comments/739585002/

Racial charged comments?

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-chris-bosio-over-racially-charged-comments/

Or Racist comments?

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-over-racist-rant/

Bosio has given his side of the story.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/06/28/chris-bosio-fired-tigers-pitching-coach/742383002/

[CU Tiger]

Are you saying he didn't actually experience this?
No. Im sure Julio heard those things. Im also sure I can work in certain other areas in NC and hear African Americans disparage whites or Mexicans. or hear Mexicans ridicule whomever.


He happens to live in the heart of yokel...if you have ever watched the show moonshiners those NC boys are 20 minutes from him, Of course there is backwoods ignornant speech there. Im just saying its tough to swallow that 50% want to go back to segregationalist south when its a state that twice elected a black President.


Remember NC is/was a swing state. Much different than SC where I'm convinced they'd vote for the ghost of Hitler so long as you put an elephant beside his name, in most counties....

[miami_fan]

Trump was created as a backlash of the last 20 or so years. The media narrative has been about building up minorities. If you questioned whether a minority is good at a position, you were labeled a racist. EDIT: regardless of their performance at their position.

In this past election, you have a narcissist that declares he is running for office. He has never been in politics before, and he says whatever is on his mind. You have people that have felt muzzled and that no one had been listening to them for the previous 10-15 years flock to him. He is saying whatever comes to mind regardless of consequence. His opponents are life long politicians who have delivered on very few, if any, of the promises that were made to these voters. They turn to the outsider for a few reasons, he has not lied to them yet, and they feel they can trust him because he will say what is on his mind.

In the run up to the election, a Clinton presidency was presented as a foregone conclusion. How big was the landslide going to be? Instead, Trump wins. Immediately, demonstrations break out. Allegations that the election was rigged. This dominates the news for months. The voters who elected Trump become concerned that this victory is going to be taken away from them. The media (actual news media, but also including celebrities here) talks about how stupid and ignorant 50% of the country is for voting for him, including those who voted for him because he was the lesser of two evils.

With all this going on, we're surprised that these people are going to speak their minds? Unfortunately, many of these people that felt they did not have a voice are racist and blame many of the evils today on minorities.

I agree with this for the most part

The one quibble I have is with the narrative. Based on my personal experience, I think it a bit unfair to say that whites (or non minorities) are upset about the “building up of minorities” narrative. At least this is where I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. The narrative that is bothersome is that negative coverage towards whiteness (or non-minorities).

Also, at some point we may need to have a discussion about how we define minorities and non- minorities as the demographics continue to change.

[Chief Rum]

No. Im sure Julio heard those things. Im also sure I can work in certain other areas in NC and hear African Americans disparage whites or Mexicans. or hear Mexicans ridicule whomever.


He happens to live in the heart of yokel...if you have ever watched the show moonshiners those NC boys are 20 minutes from him, Of course there is backwoods ignornant speech there. Im just saying its tough to swallow that 50% want to go back to segregationalist south when its a state that twice elected a black President.


Remember NC is/was a swing state. Much different than SC where I'm convinced they'd vote for the ghost of Hitler so long as you put an elephant beside his name, in most counties....

Julio seems to be indicating, though, that the racist talk has increased. It's possible, of course, that he just moved there and doesn't really know, but I suspect he has been there long enough to see what changes have happened in the place from under Obama to what it is now. Considering that, it seems to me anyway, he is saying that since Trump's victory and rhetoric he has seen more overt racism in his neck of the woods, which would appear to be potentially relevant.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, it really is the location I think. Asheville is less than an hour away and is one of the more liberal places I have been, but here in Bryson the roads go back deep into these woods and the people are mostly long term, firmly entrenched lifers in a small town in rural, southern america.

It might not be more prevalent, but it has become more brazen really. I think before it would be whispers here and there, but it was generally under the surface. Those people who used to whisper with their buddies in the back are just talking louder now and less afraid than they were before. They are, by definition, emboldened by Trump. With that as my basis, I'd have to guess that anyone who is cut from the same cloth anywhere in America is likely to exhibit the same behavior. It might be a fairly small minority of people, but their voices have gotten louder since the election and I'd say that they are at least part of the crowd from which the added tension is originating.

I'd expect the same kind of emboldened talk from a minority of liberals if they were the ones in power, but it would just be a different type of bigotry - Part of that is due to social media, part of it is immaturity, part of it is a genuine hatred for the people who oppose their belief system. The only difference, I think, is that the democratic leadership in that situation would likely be the first to condemn the acts of their brethren as divisive and not an acceptable way to bring this country back from the brink it seems to be resting on. Trumps administration almost seems to revel in it.

This is just an extremely divided country right now and I don't think it'll heal without a tremendous voter turnout that swings the presidency, the house and the senate heavily blue for maybe half a century. I just don't think there are enough Republican candidates out there who want to bring their party back toward the middle to bring about a change if their party remains the majority.

We're divided among so many lines too.. Race, gender, income and age to name a few. This is almost certainly being aided by online presences from Russia and any other country that is interested in a weaker U.S. - They know how to sew seeds of division and we basically want to kill each other right now, leaving those countries to laugh at us chasing our tails while it all falls down around us.

[ISiddiqui]

This is probably better placed here than in the MLB thread. Which is it?

Insensitive comments?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2018/06/27/chris-bosio-fired-detroit-tigers-pitching-coach-insensitive-comments/739585002/

Racial charged comments?

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-chris-bosio-over-racially-charged-comments/

Or Racist comments?

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/tigers-fire-pitching-coach-over-racist-rant/

According to Ken Rosenthal and Katie Strang at The Athletic (paywall):

Sources: Chris Bosio was fired for directing a racial slur at a clubhouse attendant – The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/413630/2018/06/29/sources-chris-bosio-was-fired-for-directing-a-racial-slur-at-a-clubhouse-attendant/)

Bosio called the attendant, who is African-American, a “monkey,” according to four team sources. The remark was directed toward the young man, who was collecting towels from the coaches’ room at the time, during a post-game gripe session in which Bosio was lamenting about a pitcher.

During this exchange, Bosio made a derogatory comment about one of the Tigers pitchers and then gestured toward the attendant before adding, “like this monkey here,” the sources said.

And the whole "Spider Monkey" defense..

Stumpf told The Detroit Free Press Thursday night that he was not aware of that nickname. All four sources who spoke to The Athletic disputed Bosio’s account.

So it seems like NBC and the NYPost were correct after all.

[miami_fan]

I agree with this for the most part

The one quibble I have is with the narrative. Based on my personal experience, I think it a bit unfair to say that whites (or non minorities) are upset about the “building up of minorities” narrative. At least this is where I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. The narrative that is bothersome is that negative coverage towards whiteness (or non-minorities).

Also, at some point we may need to have a discussion about how we define minorities and non- minorities as the demographics continue to change.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/us/racial-rhetoric/index.html

Damn I am getting old. The George Allen controversy feels like it was more than just twelve years ago. The article does navigate some of the things that discussed in this thread.

[Edward64]

This was in the news recently. There may be additional context but, as I read it, I don't see this as a racial issue.

I live in a subdivision in suburbia. We have a neighborhood watch and posted signs of non-solicitation. Its a relatively peaceful neighborhood but there have been car break-in's, vandalism etc.

Our subdivision FB has numerous posts about calling 911 for folks soliciting. African Americans, white, school kids, sometimes a religious parent & child, students wanting to sell something to help them do sometime etc. (admittedly, the only exception I've seen are girl scouts selling cookies).

Our HOA has said its is okay to call 911 and there's not been any feedback from the sheriff not to do so.

I can easily imagine a neighbor calling 911 on the woman if she was wandering around the neighborhood and it wouldn't be about race.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/whileblack-calling-police-black-people-becomes-teachable-moments-law-enforcement-n889276
#WhileBlack: Calling police on black people become teachable moments for law enforcement
:
A black state lawmaker from Oregon up for re-election was knocking on doors in her Portland-area district this week when someone called 911 on her.

It all ended amicably — the lawmaker, state Rep. Janelle Bynum, even took a smiling selfie with the sheriff's deputy who responded and received an apology from the woman who called 911 — but the incident just added to a growing list of the police being called on black people doing ordinary, nonthreatening things.

While the incidents have provoked outrage among African-Americans, they have also proven frustrating for police, who warn that calling 911 and tying up officers on frivolous calls may take them away from more serious situations.

What happened to Bynum "just took it over the top for me — you can't even go door to door without having police called," said Clarence Cox III, president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, or Noble, which advocates for justice in policing.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, I doubt this was an incident that was racially driven, at least in that context. Racists don't strike me as an apologetic people. It'll still get lumped into the pile, which sucks. It's not productive to give your opponent any ground to stand on when you're arguing your side of something.

It's a problem I see with every movement really, there are always some fringe people who just want to make everything a controversy instead of thinking about the way it looks when you're the one who is flipping out over something so minor or made up that it becomes a detriment to the cause you are supposedly trying to support. Feminism, MeToo, Occupy Wall Street, and on and on ad nauseum.. All these ideas are ruined by people who join the movement with a misguided thought that they can make a difference by just finding something to get mad about and then screaming as loud as possible. Meanwhile there is a real message out there getting dragged through the mud behind a runaway dumb truck.

[Edward64]

Turns out it wasn't racism or racial bias and the cop's body camera helped. Sad situation for the kid but good for the cop that was exonerated.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/athens-ga-video-officer-restrains-boy/index.html
A police department in Georgia says it is investigating the circumstances that led an officer to forcefully restrain a young boy.

Video of the encounter spread through social media, drawing allegations of excessive force. On Monday, as furor over the video grew, Athens-Clarke County Police released the officer's body camera footage and a statement regarding the incident.

Chief R. Scott Freeman has ordered an internal affairs investigation, the statement said, and the Athens-Clarke County attorney is reviewing the incident because a juvenile is involved.

The woman who posted the original video on Facebook did not return CNN's emails or Facebook messages attempting to reach her. Her video prompted allegations of racial bias because the officer is white and the boy is black. But the body camera footage offers additional context: the raw emotional reaction of a child witnessing a parent's arrest.

[cuervo72]

Let's combine racism with guns!

A new father was fatally shot after confronting a man who hurled the n-word at his friend, police say - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/23/a-new-father-was-fatally-shot-after-confronting-a-man-who-hurled-the-n-word-at-his-friend-police-say/)

[Edward64]

The n-word starts at about 3:10. It really goes from bad to worse after that with the buttocks.

TBH, I'm not sure he's a racist but he is definitely stupid.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/25/entertainment/jason-spencer-who-is-america-resigns/index.html
Jason Spencer, a Georgia state lawmaker who dropped his trousers and repeatedly used the "n-word" on an episode of the Showtime series "Who Is America?" on Sunday night, has announced his resignation.
:
Spencer was pranked into believing the comedian was an Israeli anti-terrorism expert who was able to convince the legislator that a series of racist acts would protect him against terrorists
:
From there, Cohen engaged in a series of supposed anti-terrorism exercises that included telling Spencer to yell as a way of attracting attention during an ISIS kidnapping attempt.

"In America there is one forbidden word," Cohen said. "It is the 'n-word.'"
After Spencer yelled the racial slur, Cohen responded "Are you crazy? The 'n-word' is noonie! Not this word. This word is disgusting."

"Got it," Spencer said.

Cohen also got Spencer to imitate an Asian accent in an exercise that had him pretending to be an Asian tourist in an attempt to take a photo under a person's burqa and to drop his trousers "to use your buttocks to intimidate ISIS."

[Mota]

Yeah I saw it and he pretty much offended every minority in one shot.

There's no excuse.

[Edward64]

Yeah I saw it and he pretty much offended every minority in one shot.

There's no excuse.

I was thinking, "you're in GA, get yourself a carry permit".

[miami_fan]

Woman blocks man from entering his own apartment in St. Louis (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/15/woman-blocks-man-his-own-apartment-st-louis/1651102002/)

[miami_fan]

Also, I have no idea what happened prior to the recording happening because that is a thing that has to be said.

[Edward64]

Also, I have no idea what happened prior to the recording happening because that is a thing that has to be said.

Here's the video (couldn't get it to work on my PC though).

You don't see what he was wearing or how he was acting before and I guess he could have looked "suspicious". TBH, if I lived there and saw someone that really did not "fit" look I would have called 911 (or apt security) regardless if he was black or white. But I certainly would not have confronted the person.

Woman Fired After Video Shows Her Blocking Her Black Man from Condo | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/human-interest/missouri-woman-fired-after-video-blocking-black-neighbor/)

I am somewhat troubled by her firing. It wasn't on company business or in a company site. She screwed up in her personal life this one time, let her apologize and move on.

[Butter]

Yeah, but the article says she works for a minority-owned company. I don't fault them for firing her. If she wants to sue them, go for it.

[Edward64]

I found this article interesting. It reports on Chinese racism in Kenya but also how China is investing in Africa.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/world/africa/kenya-china-racism.html

I do believe a large % (probably majority) of Chinese from China are racist. How they have been enclosed, brought up is definitely a factor and it'll take several generations of continued global participation for their attitudes to change.

The investing in Africa made me wonder if China is making the right bets on natural resources, alliances etc. and if the US should be doing the same there. I don't think so but really don't know.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Here's the video (couldn't get it to work on my PC though).

You don't see what he was wearing or how he was acting before and I guess he could have looked "suspicious". TBH, if I lived there and saw someone that really did not "fit" look I would have called 911 (or apt security) regardless if he was black or white. But I certainly would not have confronted the person.

Woman Fired After Video Shows Her Blocking Her Black Man from Condo | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/human-interest/missouri-woman-fired-after-video-blocking-black-neighbor/)

I am somewhat troubled by her firing. It wasn't on company business or in a company site. She screwed up in her personal life this one time, let her apologize and move on.

Actions have consequences.

[dubb93]

So according to the video she wouldn’t let him in even though he had his keys. Yet after watching the video she clearly tells him that if he wants in there is a keypad. So at face value I would say he isn’t telling the whole story.

The story could just as easily be title, “Man tries to enter locked gate behind woman with key at night, refuses to produce his own key.” She should have just shut the door and let him use his key. When I lived in an apartment the rule right in the lease stated you need to have your keyfob on you at all times when using the facilities on the grounds. Failure to have your keyfob would result in you being denied entrance, ejected from the facility, and after the third time you would lose all access to facilities. We had entrance to apartments from the outside, but if our apartment doors were inside I imagine the same rules would apply. They both escalated this needlessly.

[CU Tiger]

I'm a firm right to work and at will employment proponent so I have no issue with her firing on any level.


This seems like an obvious situation from the info provided.



But the race bait videos present a half story. Has this woman lived there any length of time? Has she ever called the police before for suspicious people? Were they all black or has she called on suspicious people of other ethnicities?


All these can be mitigating factors.


I'm a bit hyper sensitive to the issue right now. I have a small real estate rental company. I have a hired property manager that handles maintenance, repairs, leasing and end term. We had an applicant disappointed that she was turned down for housing come in camera blazing yelling repeatedly "tell everyone you wouldn't rent to me because I'm black" then shared the video. It got some local facebook attention (nowhere near as many views) then died down. Then I got a call from the Action 9 news team. Race played no part in the decision, in fact the lady applied online I had no idea of her race (For whats its worth her first name was Cindy...)she was disqualified because she had a sub 500 credit score. Had 3 evictions in the past 5 years and 2 felony assault convictions. Each of those 3 are eliminators by themselves as clearly stated on our application.


The most ridiculous part of the whole ordeal. The tenant we did rent to was a black single female. Only legally I cant say that when I have a TV news dude on the phone because of fair housing practices.


The boy (lady) who cried wolf makes folks turn a blind eye to real issues I fear.

[Noop]

Yeah, but the article says she works for a minority-owned company. I don't fault them for firing her. If she wants to sue them, go for it.

Sue them for what? Was it a racially motivated firing?

[BYU 14]

TBH, if I lived there and saw someone that really did not "fit" look I would have called 911 (or apt security) regardless if he was black or white. But I certainly would not have confronted the person.

I am somewhat troubled by her firing. It wasn't on company business or in a company site. She screwed up in her personal life this one time, let her apologize and move on.

Just curious what you define as "fit." Maybe a poor choice of wording, but you realize in today's society "acceptable" attire/appearance encompasses a wide array of looks. Hell, I can go from looking like I belong in a board room to looking like I belong in the Aryan Brotherhood by simply ditching the suit and exposing my tats.

In terms of the firing, that is what you are going to get in a right to work situation, and in this case it could even be considered for cause depending on company policy. Companies are very protective of their brand in today's hyper-sensitive social media driven world and can let you go for anything that appears in these mediums that cast a poor light on them, or conflicts with their core values. If she witnessed what she though was criminal behavior, be smart (and safe) and call the PD. Otherwise accept that a black person, dressed like a 'rapper' just may belong in the same building as you.

I'm a firm right to work and at will employment proponent so I have no issue with her firing on any level.

The boy (lady) who cried wolf makes folks turn a blind eye to real issues I fear.

This is a huge problem in today's environment. My wife works for a fortune 500 company and is on the African American resource group there. She expressed dismay in the past about a couple of people who just used the forum to bitch about they were being held down and discriminated against all the time.

She finally called one of them out on it and asked why they chose to continue to be the victim and what had they done to elevate themselves? The response was, "well it is little easier for you being married to a white man." Shit like this drives my wife nuts! She was a successful single mother, who purchased a house and was in a management position with the VA before she ever met me and she pretty much destroyed the other woman for that comment. Fortunately others in the group also called out the behavior and comments and those two have since fallen into line with what the true purpose of the group is.

The problem though is this victim mentality still exists with far too many people who see an opportunity to make everything about race, when as in your case, it is the farthest thing from the truth. A more serious consequence is that it severely undermines the very real racism that still exists in this country and even empowers those that carry racism in their heart because they get to point at examples like yours and say "see, they are just playing the race card"

[miami_fan]

Here's the video (couldn't get it to work on my PC though).

You don't see what he was wearing or how he was acting before and I guess he could have looked "suspicious". TBH, if I lived there and saw someone that really did not "fit" look I would have called 911 (or apt security) regardless if he was black or white. But I certainly would not have confronted the person.

Woman Fired After Video Shows Her Blocking Her Black Man from Condo | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/human-interest/missouri-woman-fired-after-video-blocking-black-neighbor/)

I am somewhat troubled by her firing. It wasn't on company business or in a company site. She screwed up in her personal life this one time, let her apologize and move on.

I'll bite.

Is there a dress code and a standard of behavior where you live just to gain access to your home? Also what exactly is the proper "fit" for your neighborhood and how is that determined?

[CU Tiger]

This is a huge problem in today's environment. My wife works for a fortune 500 company and is on the African American resource group there. She expressed dismay in the past about a couple of people who just used the forum to bitch about they were being held down and discriminated against all the time.

She finally called one of them out on it and asked why they chose to continue to be the victim and what had they done to elevate themselves? The response was, "well it is little easier for you being married to a white man." Shit like this drives my wife nuts! She was a successful single mother, who purchased a house and was in a management position with the VA before she ever met me and she pretty much destroyed the other woman for that comment. Fortunately others in the group also called out the behavior and comments and those two have since fallen into line with what the true purpose of the group is.

The problem though is this victim mentality still exists with far too many people who see an opportunity to make everything about race, when as in your case, it is the farthest thing from the truth. A more serious consequence is that it severely undermines the very real racism that still exists in this country and even empowers those that carry racism in their heart because they get to point at examples like yours and say "see, they are just playing the race card"


We don't have a like button here so...quoting this to say, Amen.

[Warhammer]

Here's the video (couldn't get it to work on my PC though).

You don't see what he was wearing or how he was acting before and I guess he could have looked "suspicious". TBH, if I lived there and saw someone that really did not "fit" look I would have called 911 (or apt security) regardless if he was black or white. But I certainly would not have confronted the person.

Woman Fired After Video Shows Her Blocking Her Black Man from Condo | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/human-interest/missouri-woman-fired-after-video-blocking-black-neighbor/)

I am somewhat troubled by her firing. It wasn't on company business or in a company site. She screwed up in her personal life this one time, let her apologize and move on.

Depending upon what her job was with the company, you can justify it. If she was responsible for showing units to potential renters or approving applications this opens up a whole can of worms for the company. It is already difficult enough to defend against frivolous complaints as CU Tiger points out, much less one that may have some weight due to what the employee did in their private life.

[miami_fan]

So according to the video she wouldn’t let him in even though he had his keys. Yet after watching the video she clearly tells him that if he wants in there is a keypad. So at face value I would say he isn’t telling the whole story.

The story could just as easily be title, “Man tries to enter locked gate behind woman with key at night, refuses to produce his own key.” She should have just shut the door and let him use his key. When I lived in an apartment the rule right in the lease stated you need to have your keyfob on you at all times when using the facilities on the grounds. Failure to have your keyfob would result in you being denied entrance, ejected from the facility, and after the third time you would lose all access to facilities. We had entrance to apartments from the outside, but if our apartment doors were inside I imagine the same rules would apply. They both escalated this needlessly.

If I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, she lost it when she CALLED THE POLICE AFTER HE ENTERED HIS APARTMENT!

Or taking it at face value, she called the police because her neighbor did not accept her attempt at getting to know him better.:rolleyes:

[Edward64]

I'll bite.

Is there a dress code and a standard of behavior where you live just to gain access to your home? Also what exactly is the proper "fit" for your neighborhood and how is that determined?

No, not to your own home. Is there one for my neighborhood so as to not look suspicious when entering or walking around it, sure.

Proper "fit" is obviously pretty subjective and there is no set 1-2-3 code-of-dress. If it wasn't Halloween and someone came dressed as a pimp or looked run-down, yeah I would be suspicious.

[Edward64]

Just curious what you define as "fit." Maybe a poor choice of wording, but you realize in today's society "acceptable" attire/appearance encompasses a wide array of looks. Hell, I can go from looking like I belong in a board room to looking like I belong in the Aryan Brotherhood by simply ditching the suit and exposing my tats.

See my response to miami_fan above.

In terms of the firing, that is what you are going to get in a right to work situation, and in this case it could even be considered for cause depending on company policy. Companies are very protective of their brand in today's hyper-sensitive social media driven world and can let you go for anything that appears in these mediums that cast a poor light on them, or conflicts with their core values. If she witnessed what she though was criminal behavior, be smart (and safe) and call the PD. Otherwise accept that a black person, dressed like a 'rapper' just may belong in the same building as you.

I absolutely agree about calling PD or apt security first, she was pretty stupid and if he was a bad guy, it may have turned out bad for her.

I don't disagree that actions have consequences, I believe people should be held accountable for their actions. I question if it rises to the level of firing (e.g. was this truly racially motivated, have other co-workers complained about her before etc.).

This is a huge problem in today's environment. My wife works for a fortune 500 company and is on the African American resource group there. She expressed dismay in the past about a couple of people who just used the forum to bitch about they were being held down and discriminated against all the time.

She finally called one of them out on it and asked why they chose to continue to be the victim and what had they done to elevate themselves? The response was, "well it is little easier for you being married to a white man." Shit like this drives my wife nuts! She was a successful single mother, who purchased a house and was in a management position with the VA before she ever met me and she pretty much destroyed the other woman for that comment. Fortunately others in the group also called out the behavior and comments and those two have since fallen into line with what the true purpose of the group is.

The problem though is this victim mentality still exists with far too many people who see an opportunity to make everything about race, when as in your case, it is the farthest thing from the truth. A more serious consequence is that it severely undermines the very real racism that still exists in this country and even empowers those that carry racism in their heart because they get to point at examples like yours and say "see, they are just playing the race card"

I don't disagree.

[CU Tiger]

I don't disagree that actions have consequences, I believe people should be held accountable for their actions. I question if it rises to the level of firing (e.g. was this truly racially motivated, have other co-workers complained about her before etc.).



Here is what I think you are missing. It doesnt matter what her motivation was or what she has done in the past. If she is my employee she is gone. Period.

Why?
Because the public perception of what she did could negatively impact my business. When you put yourself in a position to be a detriment to my business you have to find somewhere else to work.

[Butter]

Sue them for what? Was it a racially motivated firing?

Who knows what her perception is. That's her recourse if she didn't like being fired though, or felt it was "unfair".

[BYU 14]

Here is what I think you are missing. It doesnt matter what her motivation was or what she has done in the past. If she is my employee she is gone. Period.

Why?
Because the public perception of what she did could negatively impact my business. When you put yourself in a position to be a detriment to my business you have to find somewhere else to work.

Bingo, and look at us, agreeing twice in one day LOL.

[NobodyHere]

'Megyn Kelly Today' is done, NBC reveals following blackface scandal (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/10/26/megyn-kelly-nbc-today-show-exit-blackface-scandal/1763026002/)

Either Megyn Kelly is an idiot or she was done with NBC and was re-auditioning for a Fox News gig.

[BYU 14]

'Megyn Kelly Today' is done, NBC reveals following blackface scandal (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/10/26/megyn-kelly-nbc-today-show-exit-blackface-scandal/1763026002/)

Either Megyn Kelly is an idiot or she was done with NBC and was re-auditioning for a Fox News gig.

Two birds with one stone I am sure

[PilotMan]

Ack, I broke it.

[BishopMVP]

Damn, never realized PilotMan was a bot. AI really has gotten better recently!

[BYU 14]

Holy mega link Batman

[Ben E Lou]

Ack, I broke it.I fixed it. :cool:

[tarcone]

Back to the St Louis woman.

In the HOA indentures it tells the residents not to let anyone without their keyfob. HE refused to show her his fob.

There had been incidents of theft and what not because people getting in with out a key fob.

And this is down town St Louis. One of the most dangerous cities in the country.

I think this was blown way out of proportion.

[Edward64]

Pretty sad. Wonder what she is thinking now?

North Carolina woman fired, could be charged for harassing black sisters in viral video - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-woman-susan-westwood-fired-could-be-charged-for-harassing-black-sisters-in-viral-video/)
"Is your boyfriend here? Is your baby daddy here?" Westwood says near the beginning of one video. "Nobody cares! I'm white and I'm hot. I'm white and I'm hot."

Westwood repeatedly brags about her $125,000 salary, saying at one point, "I'm white and I make $125,000 a year and I want to make sure that you're all up in here." She also curses at the sisters as they ask her to leave them alone.

After the sisters walk away and one says she will call 911, Westwood yells to them, "Do I need to bring out my concealed weapon, too?"

The incident happened October 19. After one of the sisters posted the footage on Facebook Friday, Westwood's employer, Spectrum Enterprises, which is owned by Charter Communications, said she was fired.

The real question is hot or not? Not.

[NobodyHere]

Pretty sad. Wonder what she is thinking now?

North Carolina woman fired, could be charged for harassing black sisters in viral video - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-woman-susan-westwood-fired-could-be-charged-for-harassing-black-sisters-in-viral-video/)


The real question is hot or not? Not.

I was just thinking of posting a poll

[Edward64]

I was just thinking of posting a poll

Please do start those series of threads again!

Maybe they'll let us do them again? Maybe we can do these polls without pictures?

[NobodyHere]

Who's stopping people from posting a poll? I haven't tried posting one in a while.

[Edward64]

I seem to remember the mods banning those threads. Too porn-like or something.

If they have mellowed/chilled out, let's start with Gal Gadot!

[BYU 14]

Back to the St Louis woman.

In the HOA indentures it tells the residents not to let anyone without their keyfob. HE refused to show her his fob.

There had been incidents of theft and what not because people getting in with out a key fob.

And this is down town St Louis. One of the most dangerous cities in the country.

I think this was blown way out of proportion.

Not when she follow shim to his apartment, sees him enter with a key and still calls the police. Her dumbass should not have been standing there with the door open either, pretty sure the HOA advises residents not to that as well.

[RainMaker]

Back to the St Louis woman.

In the HOA indentures it tells the residents not to let anyone without their keyfob. HE refused to show her his fob.

There had been incidents of theft and what not because people getting inhttps://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif with out a key fob.

And this is down town St Louis. One of the most dangerous cities in the country.

I think this was blown way out of proportion.

If she truly felt this was a criminal, she can call the police (as she did).

But she isn't the police, she isn't paid security for the building, she's just a resident like he is. He doesn't have to answer to her authority because she has none over him.

If a stranger blocked you from entering your home unless you showed your ID or something, how would you react?

[RainMaker]

I would also not be that mad if the police were called on me in that situation. If you're suspicious, maybe play it safe.

But if it's my home that I paid a bunch of money for that you're blocking me from entering, that's going to piss me off. And I would not have been as nice as he was.

[BishopMVP]

Pretty sad. Wonder what she is thinking now?

North Carolina woman fired, could be charged for harassing black sisters in viral video - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-woman-susan-westwood-fired-could-be-charged-for-harassing-black-sisters-in-viral-video/)


The real question is hot or not? Not.Hey, that's (more or less) my neighborhood! I'm not sure if that's more par for the course for the area once you start going past the SouthPark Mall towards the country clubs (rather than the college/transplant part I'm in that's closer to Uptown), or more par for the course for a Spectrum employee interacting with potential costumers... The only really surprising things are that she was actually confronting people instead of being passive aggressive, and that she somehow thinks she's hot. Clearly delusional, I'm glad she was fired, evicted, and criminally charged. (Not sure if people are exaggerating, but I guess she also called 911 on the cops when they responded because one of them was black and "black people were surrounding her".)

[illinifan999]

Chipotle Rehired A Minnesota Manager After Racist Accusations In Viral Video Had Her Fired (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/chipotle-rehired-fired-manager-customers-accused-racism)

[Edward64]

Don't really know the full story here but I would assume fired Manager told HQ about seeing the "dine and dash" but they still decided to fire her and only relented when social media started to push back.

[Lathum]

Chipotle Rehired A Minnesota Manager After Racist Accusations In Viral Video Had Her Fired (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/chipotle-rehired-fired-manager-customers-accused-racism)

Perfect example of how companies are pressured to act now instead of actually take time to study all aspects before firing someone.

[NobodyHere]

Don't really know the full story here but I would assume fired Manager told HQ about seeing the "dine and dash" but they still decided to fire her and only relented when social media started to push back.

Yeah between the E-Coli and the company not standing up for their employees, I'm not going to Chipotle any time soon.

[JPhillips]

Sounds like police killed an innocent Black man with a gun in Alabama while the shooter got away. I expect the NRA will be issuing a statement any minute now.

[cuervo72]

Sounds like police killed an innocent Black man with a gun in Alabama while the shooter got away. I expect the NRA will be issuing a statement any minute now.

Yeah, wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the shootings thread. Both, really.

But I think this illustrates - "good guy with a gun" probably doesn't include black people. If you're a black guy with a gun, you're gonna get shot.

Great police work, too. "Welp, we shot a black guy. Case closed. Go us - bravery!"

[Edward64]

It may well turn out to be a "good black guy with a gun" and a police screwup but IMO too early to start making fun of the cops.

[PilotMan]

It may well turn out to be a "good black guy with a gun" and a police screwup but IMO too early to start making fun of the cops.


I think that questioning their complete satisfaction on Thursday that had completely gotten this one right is certainly enough to comment on. By then the narrative had been solidified and even after they said, "well, maybe we messed up" some citizens had decided that this 'thug' was to blame somehow. That alone shows poor decision making, at the least.

[cuervo72]

It's not making fun of them. It is criticizing them for bad work -- when they are patting themselves on the back for that bad work.

[Edward64]

A little more context but still too early to tell IMO. The last 2 paragraphs will hopefully get us an answer.

Also highlighted the quote that said many others had their weapons drawn also. There are going to be some lessons learned here on what gun carry folks should or not do in this situation.

Alabama police offer new explanation for shooting wrong man - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46350307)
Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr, 21, had "brandished a gun" as police responded to Thursday's incident at the shopping centre near Birmingham, they said.
:
Hoover Police Department said on Monday: "We can say with certainty Mr Bradford brandished a gun during the seconds following the gunshots, which instantly heightened the sense of threat to approaching police officers responding to the chaotic scene."

Mr Bradford had a permit to carry a weapon, according to his family. Under Alabama gun law, it is not illegal to carry a firearm in public.
:
As people fled, witnesses reported many people had their own guns out, according to NPR.

When police arrived on scene, a uniformed officer saw Mr Bradford with a firearm and shot him to death, believing him to be the gunman.
:
The updated police statement said: "New evidence suggests that while Bradford may have been involved in some aspect of the altercation, he likely did not fire the rounds that injured the 18-year-old victim."
:
According to Al.com, Mr Bradford was friends with the 18-year-old who was shot and seriously hurt.

Mr Bradford's family cited witnesses as saying that he had been trying to help by waving people to safety.
:
Monday's police statement noted that bodycam and other available footage has been turned over to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department as the investigation continues.
:
Authorities said they have some information on the initial shooter and are working towards an arrest.

[Ben E Lou]

NC high school students disciplined for racist video | Charlotte Observer (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article222236625.html?fbclid=IwAR0eSydStFdAMn-6LqqIBu1ZKoxFnl9cjMZxjxQe0DgATx9joBnYS0ylexE)


This is the school my kids would attend if they go to public high schools. (Completely unrelated to this incident, they most likely won't.)

[Edward64]

And I read the WI kids with the Hitler salute are getting away with it. I hope they had a good talking to from their parents.

[NobodyHere]

NC high school students disciplined for racist video | Charlotte Observer (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article222236625.html?fbclid=IwAR0eSydStFdAMn-6LqqIBu1ZKoxFnl9cjMZxjxQe0DgATx9joBnYS0ylexE)


This is the school my kids would attend if they go to public high schools. (Completely unrelated to this incident, they most likely won't.)

Ok I didn't watch the video and so I don't know exactly what was said and I don't approve of racism, but I get the understanding that the school is punishing kids for speech that did NOT occur on school grounds? If so then that seems like a bit of overreach to me and the kids might actually have a 1st Amendment case against the school system.

[NobodyHere]

And I read the WI kids with the Hitler salute are getting away with it. I hope they had a good talking to from their parents.

If by getting away with it you mean that their actions will live on the internet forever then you're right.

[Ben E Lou]

Ok I didn't watch the video and so I don't know exactly what was said and I don't approve of racism, but I get the understanding that the school is punishing kids for speech that did NOT occur on school grounds? If so then that seems like a bit of overreach to me and the kids might actually have a 1st Amendment case against the school system.I don't get the impression that it occurred on school grounds, but some behaviors are prohibited off campus. I just double-checked our county's student handbook to verify, and yeah, off-campus behavior is mentioned. I'm sure the district's lawyers signed off on that long ago. And the spokesperson who talked with the media said that the students were disciplined in accordance with the Code of Conduct that students and parents sign off on at the beginning of the year.


FWIW, if they played any sports, Northwest has even broader language about on and off campus behavior in its code of conduct for its athletes.

[Ben E Lou]

Longer version on WorldStar...


Sparking Outrage: Two Ignorant Northwest Guilford Students Caught On Snapchat Being Extremely Racist! | Video (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhtMIePHS1da9xtEjd)

[albionmoonlight]

Ok I didn't watch the video and so I don't know exactly what was said and I don't approve of racism, but I get the understanding that the school is punishing kids for speech that did NOT occur on school grounds? If so then that seems like a bit of overreach to me and the kids might actually have a 1st Amendment case against the school system.

Bong Hits 4 Jesus would be relevant to that question:

{{meta.fullTitle}} (https://www.oyez.org/cases/2006/06-278)

[NobodyHere]

The "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" event was held at a school event and I can understand the jurisdiction. But are schools allowed to police speech on social media? If so then what is to stop them from policing ALL speech made by a student?

[PilotMan]

The "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" event was held at a school event and I can understand the jurisdiction. But are schools allowed to police speech on social media? If so then what is to stop them from policing ALL speech made by a student?


If people are going to sue schools and if the courts are going to hold them liable when they don't, then they have the jurisdiction. It's a no win situation.

[Atocep]

The "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" event was held at a school event and I can understand the jurisdiction. But are schools allowed to police speech on social media? If so then what is to stop them from policing ALL speech made by a student?

Your Rights: Student Social Media Rights | ACLU of Northern CA (https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/student-social-media-rights)

Long story short: it depends

EDIT: it's the ACLU of No Cal, but I'm sure this holds up more or less across the country.

[Edward64]

I would like to think she was off her meds or had an extremely stressful day but that still would not justify her behavior.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/us/nyc-subway-tirade-arrest/index.html
A Brooklyn woman whose racist, profanity-laced tirade on the New York subway was captured on video this week has been charged with felony assault after she struck a fellow passenger, authorities said.

The dispute between Anna Lushchinskaya, a 40-year-old white woman, and the 24-year-old passenger, a woman of Asian descent, began after Lushchinskaya bumped into the woman early Tuesday, the New York Police Department told CNN.

Lushchinskaya yelled profanities at the victim on the northbound D train, hitting her with an umbrella and keys, the NYPD said. On video captured by witnesses, Lushchinskaya can be heard calling the woman a racial slur.

Lushchinskaya was apprehended at the 36th Street Station and arrested, the NYPD said.
:
:
The victim suffered cuts to her face, the NYPD said. She told CNN affiliate WABC, which said she wanted to remain anonymous, that she was grateful people intervened.

A 30-year old good Samaritan suffered scratches when he intervened, the NYPD said.

Several subway riders captured the tirade on video. The incident has since been viewed by millions of people on social media.

The video shows the woman yelling profanities at the victim and calling another rider "retarded."

"F*** off," Lushchinskaya allegedly said several times before striking the victim with her hand.

She then took off her sunglasses and gloves, pulled her hair back and took her umbrella and keys from her bag, according to the video. Then, she began kicking the woman, who defended herself.

Passengers intervened, trying to restrain Lushchinskaya, and told her to stop. One person threatened to call the police.

The video shows Lushchinskaya striking the woman several times with her umbrella and her keys and again kicking her.

"She's not even fighting you back," one person is heard saying.
At least two subway riders tried to wrestle the umbrella away.
Lushchinskaya is seen spitting in the direction of the victim before yelling more profanity and a racial slur.

[BYU 14]

I would like to think she was off her meds or had an extremely stressful day but that still would not justify her behavior.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/us/nyc-subway-tirade-arrest/index.html

Sometimes people are just fucking evil and I can't imagine what kind of stressful day would cause this.

I often wonder if these type of people are more emboldened now, or if the instant ability of normal people to make everything news is just exposing this vileness more. The answer is likely somewhere in between.

[PilotMan]

Generally I try to stay away from making huge overtures against Fox and the people they sell as important. But every now and then, something needs to be said.

It looks like Tucker Carlson is really swinging hard for that KKK vote. I also know that it's generally considered poor form to bring Hitler into the discussion, however, when you're actually saying immigrants are making the country dirtier, you're doing the exact same thing that Hitler did regarding the Jews.

It's a kind of language and speech that should have no place in our society. If he cannot be stopped from saying it in public, he should at least be punished socially and professionally and regarded to the dumpheap of humans that perpetrated actual acts on who they considered the 'lesser' class of society.

Fox News Host Tucker Carlson Says Immigration Is Making America 'Dirtier' | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-immigrants-doing-to-america_us_5c136ca1e4b0f60cfa27dbaf)

[Edward64]

I guess this belongs here since antisemitism is a form of racism.

For a Dr/Resident that went to school in the US to retain this hate (understandable, have to give her a pass) but yet be so public and showing such levity as a Dr is sad.

Anti-Semitic U.S. doctor tweeted that she would 'purposely give Jews the wrong medications' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546831/Anti-Semitic-U-S-doctor-tweeted-purposely-Jews-wrong-medications.html)
A doctor who tweeted that she would 'purposely give all the Jews the wrong meds' has been found to have been posting anti-Semitic messages on social media for years.

Dr Lara Kollab, 27, a former resident at The Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio, wrote in now-deleted posts that she hoped 'Allah will kill the Jews' and referred to Jewish people as 'dogs'.

The Cleveland Clinic has since condemned Dr Kollab, who retains her medical license, and confirmed that she is no longer working at the hospital.

[Edward64]

I've not seen the PBS special so some things may have (or not) been taken out of context. Apparently he said more, and not just about intelligence, in 2007 and prior so there is a pattern.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/health/james-watson-honors-stripped-intl/index.html
A Nobel Prize-winning American scientist and DNA pioneer has been stripped of his honorary titles at the laboratory he once led after repeating racist comments in a documentary.

James Watson, who helped discover the double-helix structure of DNA alongside Francis Crick in the 1950s based on the work of British chemist Rosalind Franklin, said in a PBS film that genes cause a difference in intelligence between white and black people in IQ tests.

The 90-year-old's comments were labeled "reprehensible" by the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) on New York's Long Island, where Watson had been the director from 1968 to 1993.

The laboratory said it "unequivocally rejects the unsubstantiated and reckless personal opinions Dr. James D. Watson expressed," noting the statements were "reprehensible [and] unsupported by science."

From what I've read, there is evidence that intelligence is partially hereditary. One article from Scientific American said 50% https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-intelligence-hereditary/ is based on genes and remainder on environment (nature vs nurture). That % and be up or down but a large component of intelligence is based on the luck of the draw.

I think if he said something to the effect of ....

"... a large part of intelligence is based on your genes but there are other environmental factors that also come into play", he would have been okay.

On the other hand, was this ambush journalism to bring up this subject again with a 90 year old man? I think yes.

Sorry to see him fall so far.

[Radii]

Uhhh, the rest of the article paints a very different picture than the one your post does, IMO:


The remarks are the latest in a series of racist and homophobic statements that have tainted Watson's career.

In 1997, Britain's Sunday Telegraph quoted him as saying that women should be allowed to abort a child for any reason, such as if a gene for homosexuality were found in the fetus.

During a lecture tour in 2000, he suggested there might be links between a person's weight and their level of ambition and between skin color and sexual prowess.

"That's why you have Latin lovers," he said, according to The Associated Press, which cited people who attended the lecture. "You've never heard of an English lover. Only an English patient."

And in a British TV documentary that aired in 2003, Watson suggested stupidity was a genetic disease that should be treated.



Maybe this was a last straw for this lab deciding that honorary titles given to a piece of shit human being even if he was part of one extremely important thing.

[Edward64]

Uhhh, the rest of the article paints a very different picture than the one your post does, IMO:

Maybe this was a last straw for this lab deciding that honorary titles given to a piece of shit human being even if he was part of one extremely important thing.

Noted and agree per my second sentence.

[NobodyHere]

I thought these posts would be about Rep Steve King. Doing Iowans proud!

[Edward64]

I thought these posts would be about Rep Steve King. Doing Iowans proud!

Yeah, him too.

Watson is somewhat more sympathetic to me primarily because of his accomplishments.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Watson is somewhat more sympathetic to me primarily because of his accomplishments.

Really?

So being a racist is based on sliding scale with one's accomplishments?

[Edward64]

Really?

So being a racist is based on sliding scale with one's accomplishments?

Certainly a factor to consider when judging someone isn't it?

[PilotMan]

Charles Lindbergh.....go!

[Edward64]

Charles Lindbergh.....go!

Not impressed. Let's go way back to the Founding Fathers and such who had slaves.

George Washington & Thomas Jefferson .... go!

[NobodyHere]

Ghandi...go!!!

[Edward64]

Ghandi...go!!!

Thought you were joking but ... damn TIL.

There are probably more racist folks than not worldwide.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Certainly a factor to consider when judging someone isn't it?

No. Not when it comes to someone's racist views.

[PilotMan]

Thought you were joking but ... damn TIL.

There are probably more racist folks than not worldwide.


You're probably right. But discerning between racism and old fashioned nationalism is very hard to distinguish, which seems to be where we are at in most of our modern discussions in the trump thread. It does lead into modern conversations that the US has been trying to have for generations, via the expansion of globalization where cultures blend, cooperate and learn about one another. Hiding behind walls like scared kids is exactly what got us into world wars of the past. Trying to learn and appreciate other cultures, and encouraging them to tolerate and learn about yours is the entire genesis of the discussion on racism and nationalism. And why it's important to keep open dialogues with countries that we aren't allies with. It's not the whole solution to the puzzle, but it's an important piece no doubt.

[Edward64]

No. Not when it comes to someone's racist views.

We'll agree to disagree.

IMO there are differing levels, mitigating factors, accomplishments, patterns, what they have experienced etc. when judging someone and severity of their "crimes" ... and compare with others to get a sense of scale/degree of their "crime".

[JPhillips]

I think a person's negatives don't cancel their achievements, but their achievements don't lessen or negate their negatives. A person can be a great scientist and a racist at the same time.

With Watson, though, there are some serious questions about how much discovery was his and how much he got credited for the work of others.

[Honolulu_Blue]

We'll agree to disagree.

IMO there are differing levels, mitigating factors, accomplishments, patterns, what they have experienced etc. when judging someone and severity of their "crimes" ... and compare with others to get a sense of scale/degree of their "crime".

I find this take pretty weird and quite dangerous.

I think a person's negatives don't cancel their achievements, but their achievements don't lessen or negate their negatives. A person can be a great scientist and a racist at the same time.

Agreed.

[Edward64]

I find this take pretty weird and quite dangerous.


I just think there are differing levels/degrees of being a racist. And I do believe there can be acceptable mitigating circumstances to explain it (not accomplishment specific).

Otherwise, you are condemning a bunch of folks worldwide who are "racist".

[Edward64]

Let's agree on the definition of racism if we want to continue this discussion so we are not talking past each other.

If you have another definition, please reference it.

racism - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com (https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/racism)
Racism is the practice of discriminating against people based on their race, national or ethnic background. Although old prejudices often live on, most people will agree that racism is unacceptable.

Someone who practices racism is called a racist. Racism comes from the idea that the different races are intrinsically different. It’s racism when a white person discriminates against a black person, just as it’s racism if a Japanese person discriminates against a German person. Many worldwide political movements have fought to end racism.


the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

[Honolulu_Blue]

I just think there are differing levels/degrees of being a racist. And I do believe there can be acceptable mitigating circumstances to explain it (not accomplishment specific).

Otherwise, you are condemning a bunch of folks worldwide who are "racist".

Let's agree on the definition of racism if we want to continue this discussion so we are not talking past each other.

If you have another definition, please reference it.

racism - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com (https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/racism)

I think I'll pass on this conversation. I don't think it will be particularly fruitful or enlightening. I am pretty comfortable condemning a bunch of folks worldwide who are racist.

That said, don't you find it a bit odd that the chosen definition includes an example where "Japanese" and "German" are some how considered races as opposed to, say, nationalities?

I think either of these definitions would be more succinct and accurate:

Racism | Definition of Racism by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism)

racism | Definition of racism in English by Oxford Dictionaries (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism)

[Edward64]

I think I'll pass on this conversation. I don't think it will be particularly fruitful or enlightening. I am pretty comfortable condemning a bunch of folks worldwide who are racist.

That said, don't you find it a bit odd that the chosen definition includes an example where "Japanese" and "German" are some how considered races as opposed to, say, nationalities?

I think either of these definitions would be more succinct and accurate:

Racism | Definition of Racism by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism)

racism | Definition of racism in English by Oxford Dictionaries (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism)

Okay, no problem.

Beats me why the Japanese and German were used as examples.

[Edward64]

I didn't watch the episode but based on what I read in the article, pretty true statement I agree with. I think where he failed is speaking only about Hispanics, it really applies to other immigrants so he should have broadened the context. (As we discussed earlier, the next generation born in the US will assimilate much better)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/media/tom-brokaw-nbc-meet-the-press/index.html
Former "NBC Nightly News" anchor Tom Brokaw tweeted Sunday that he regrets saying that Hispanics should "work harder at assimilation" into American culture.

"I feel terrible a part of my comments on Hispanics offended some members of that proud culture," he said at the beginning of a series of tweets.
:
Criticism erupted after Brokaw, 78, commented on Hispanics and assimilation during Sunday's broadcast of "Meet the Press." He said on the show that his view on assimilation is one he's been sharing "for a long time."

"You know, they ought not to be just codified in their communities but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English, and that they feel comfortable in the communities," he said. "And that's going to take outreach on both sides [Republican and Democrat], frankly."

I did a little more research and the better quote is

Tom Brokaw Apologizes For ‘Meet The Press’ “Brown Grandbabies” Remark | Deadline (https://deadline.com/2019/01/tom-brokaw-apologizes-for-meet-the-press-immigration-comments-1202543000/)
Appearing as a panelist on this morning’s show (see video via Twitter below), Brokaw said when he “pushes” Americans on the subject of immigration, “They say, ‘Well, I don’t know whether I want brown grand-babies.’ That’s also a part of it, the intermarriage that’s going on and the cultures that are conflicting with each other. I also happen to believe that the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation. … You know, they ought not to be just codified in their communities but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English and that they feel comfortable in the communities. And that’s going to take outreach on both sides, frankly.”

After the startling take started to ricochet around Twitter — fueled, of course, by right-wing bloggers and activists but also by stupefied Brokaw partisans on the left — the NBC legend responded via Twitter.

“I feel terrible a part of my comments on Hispanics offended some members of that proud culture,” Brokaw tweeted in the first of a multi-part apology. In addition to highlighting his work over the decades on immigration coverage, he emphasized the end of his Meet the Press remarks, which called for “both sides” to work on assimilation.


Its a little weird that CNN did not provide more of the quote.

There are some criticisms quote also. One implies Brokaw is a racist for saying this. This I disagree with.

Some journalists on social media quickly criticized Brokaw's comments. Aura Bogado, an investigative immigration reporter at Reveal, said Brokaw was "arguing classic white supremacist talking points in a deeply racist rant on national television."

[JPhillips]

There's no evidence that Hispanics are assimilating more slowly than past waves of immigrants. It has always taken time and multiple generations.

[cuervo72]

White Detroit cop uses Black History Month Snapchat filter to mock woman whose car he impounded, made walk in negative temps - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-detroit-police-snapchat-black-history-20190201-story.html)

And the Northam stuff, but Ben already broke that story. :)

[NobodyHere]

Looks like Jussie Smollet is turning out to be the real racist here

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

[CU Tiger]

Looks like Jussie Smollet is turning out to be the real racist here

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

Can't say that surprised me...that story sounded fishy from day 1

[stevew]

I know racially motivated hate crime is still alive and well but holy shit that story was nonsensical. Like someone gets hatecrimey enough to beat you and pour bleach on you and tie a noose on you...youre dead.

[Julio Riddols]

I absolutely fucking hate people like this Smollett tool. Every time one of these fuckwads does something like this it sets humanity back as a whole because it sets discourse back as well. Then we bitch about the controversy for weeks.

I think Kamala Harris needs to be investigated as part of this whole thing. It seems extra convenient that her completely unnecessary anti lynching vanity bill got passed just a couple days ago on the heels of this fuckheads story. She seems likely to be involved in the planning of it, and if so, should be shunned accordingly by voters if she doesn't outright step down. I'm so goddamned tired of the "leaders" we have in the world today. Most of them aren't leaders at all, just money junkies following the dollar.

[RainMaker]

Can't say that surprised me...that story sounded fishy from day 1

Pretty much no ok ne in Chicago believed it. The idea that this group of Trump supporters were camping out in -20 windshield in hopes he would go out at 2am for Subway is comical.

This is also a nice area with cameras everywhere. The fact they couldn't find this or the suspects on it at all was the kicker.

Fuck this guy for blowing police resources we actually need.

[molson]

And he hired two Nigerians to do it. Even the hate crimes are being outsourced to minority immigrants now.

[CU Tiger]

Pretty much no ok ne in Chicago believed it. The idea that this group of Trump supporters were camping out in -20 windshield in hopes he would go out at 2am for Subway is comical.

This is also a nice area with cameras everywhere. The fact they couldn't find this or the suspects on it at all was the kicker.

Fuck this guy for blowing police resources we actually need.


On a more basic level, knowing nothing of the area, I just couldnt figure out who walks around with rope. Specifically with rope tied into a noose.



I mean unless someone planned and set out to commit this crime, which in that case you have to expect the outcome to be more grave, the weapon would usually be one of opportunity...and you dont typically just walk around with rope. And the person with enough hate in their heart to leave the house set on beating a man and pouring bleach on him...and in possession of a noose. Well I expect that person would take things farther.

[Thomkal]

Alabama newspaper calls for the return of the KKK-to clean up Washington and remove the Democrats and Democrats in the Republican party who are planning to raise taxes in Alabama again:


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/alabama-newspaper-calls-for-resurgence-of-kkk-02-19-2019

[PilotMan]

Alabama newspaper calls for the return of the KKK-to clean up Washington and remove the Democrats and Democrats in the Republican party who are planning to raise taxes in Alabama again:


404 - StoryLine (https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/alabama-newspaper-calls-for-resurgence-of-kkk-02-19-2019)


This is not surprising in Alabama. And the editorial came from the editor and publisher. I wonder if trump will voice his support for the first amendment now?

[BYU 14]

On a more basic level, knowing nothing of the area, I just couldnt figure out who walks around with rope. Specifically with rope tied into a noose.



I mean unless someone planned and set out to commit this crime, which in that case you have to expect the outcome to be more grave, the weapon would usually be one of opportunity...and you dont typically just walk around with rope. And the person with enough hate in their heart to leave the house set on beating a man and pouring bleach on him...and in possession of a noose. Well I expect that person would take things farther.

Exactly, you don't go to that level of mayhem preparation without having intent to inflict more than just a couple of bruises. I still can't wrap my head around why this selfish motherfucker would do this and use his "platform" to marginalize the victims of true hate crimes. Shit like this erases any strides we do make as a society and only emboldens the racist fucks that still walk among us.

He is worse than a racist to me in many ways, exploiting real social problems/injustices for sympathy and his own benefit. He deserves the cliff his career is going to fall off of.

[RainMaker]

A Lt in the Coast Guard. Read through the Twitter thread. Appears to be a domestic terrorist who was planning to do some terrible things.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A <a href="https://twitter.com/gwupoe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@gwupoe</a> scoop: A LT in the US Coast Guard was arrested this week for drug and gun charges. It looked like a run of the mill case until the detention memo filed yesterday. He had a hit list, contacts with white supremacists, guns, and, again, was an Coastie assigned to HQ.</p>&mdash; Seamus Hughes (@SeamusHughes) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeamusHughes/status/1098326520425336832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[RainMaker]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good god. <a href="https://t.co/2ZtI87z1pH">pic.twitter.com/2ZtI87z1pH</a></p>&mdash; Ed Bott (@edbott) <a href="https://twitter.com/edbott/status/1098346007262154752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[molson]

There's kind of an unspoken code between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges. When a prosecutor is making a good-faith but debatable argument for a higher bond or pretrial detention, he or she might use phrases like "danger to the community." But when the stakes are truly higher and you need the threat to stand out among all the other threats a judge has to evaluate on a daily basis, you (as rarely as possible to maintain credibility) - use language that jumps off the page like that.

[Groundhog]

"on a scale rarely seen in this country" is a poignant choice of word.

[cuervo72]

Chesterfield police chief recommends officer be fired after alleged link to white supremacist group | Crime, Police & Fire | richmond.com (https://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/chesterfield-police-chief-recommends-officer-be-fired-after-alleged-link/article_c17f9882-884d-5f00-ba97-dabd3652e9fd.html)

Oh yeah - and he's a resource officer at a majority-minority school.

[Ben E Lou]

Unrepentant racism in Raleigh.



'I would say it again,' says woman who used racial slur in North Hills restaurant confrontation :: WRAL.com (https://www.wral.com/i-would-say-it-again-says-woman-who-used-racial-slur-in-north-hills-restaurant-confrontation/18530118/)


There are several amazing quotes to cherry-pick, but I am nominating this exchange for the worst...



REPORTER: "Do you see how that's incredibly offensive?"

NANCY GOODMAN: "Yes, I do. That's why I said it."

[BishopMVP]

Can I hate both sides there? Old racist ladies are bad, but so is the "I'm spending money here, so I can be as loud as I want" crowd. Par for the course that neither side thinks they did anything wrong :/

[Radii]

Holy christ.

[Lathum]

Can I hate both sides there? Old racist ladies are bad, but so is the "I'm spending money here, so I can be as loud as I want" crowd. Par for the course that neither side thinks they did anything wrong :/

I guess, but the old white lady brought a nuke to a knife fight.

[CU Tiger]

Can I hate both sides there? Old racist ladies are bad, but so is the "I'm spending money here, so I can be as loud as I want" crowd. Par for the course that neither side thinks they did anything wrong :/
I'm with you here. I hate both parties, not equally mind you, racist white bitch is a90 on my hatred scale and loud diners only a 70 but I hate em both.


I do at least tip the cap to the "Yeah I know its offensive thats why I said it" acceptance. I mean if you gonna fight go straight for the kill I suppose.

[larrymcg421]

I don't know. Loud people can get on my nerves as well, but it's so far from being a racist person that I can't imagine ever using a "both sides" equivalence in such a situation. Even the 90/70 ratio seems ridiculously off the mark.

[JPhillips]

The only account I've seen that states they were very loud comes from the white woman, so I'm not sure how reliable that is.

[Ben E Lou]

Eh, culturally (especially at happy hour,) we tend to be louder, so that's completely believable. But of course that brings up the other issue of minorities having to acquiesce to the norms of the majority culture and all that...

[BishopMVP]

Oh for sure the unrepentant racist is worse.The only account I've seen that states they were very loud comes from the white woman, so I'm not sure how reliable that is.
Between the black women's (pre-slur) defense apparently being "we're paying to be here so we can act however we please" and the restaurant server? manager? saying both sides could've handled themselves differently I'm willing to believe they were the loudest people in there.

Like Ben said there definitely is a cultural difference (and not just black/white, I also see it as a Northerner living in the South now), and idk where you draw the line between forcing people to acquiesce to societal norms of the majority vs just having some respect for other people in public spaces. I took an overnight Greyhound to get back down here to Charlotte and I had one person arguing loudly on her cellphone from about 1-7am, and another playing movies on a laptop at full volume for her kid all night. If people are drinking at happy hour that's not the place I'd take a stand (ok, I wouldn't take a stand about it anywhere, just put on headphones or leave), but there's definitely people who think that spending money at an establishment, whether it's a bar, a bus/plane, a movie theater, whatever, gives them complete license to be as loud as they want. Not solely black people, not most black people, but yeah stereotypes exist for a reason.

[ISiddiqui]

I don't know. Loud people can get on my nerves as well, but it's so far from being a racist person that I can't imagine ever using a "both sides" equivalence in such a situation. Even the 90/70 ratio seems ridiculously off the mark.

Exactly. It's kind of justifying using racial slurs for people you find annoying who are that race... and that's horrifying to me.

[JPhillips]

Eh, culturally (especially at happy hour,) we tend to be louder, so that's completely believable. But of course that brings up the other issue of minorities having to acquiesce to the norms of the majority culture and all that...

Yeah, I was hanging my argument on the word very. There's a lot of range between too loud and needing a manager to silence them.

Or said another way, I think the "too loud" complaint is an excuse for her racism. If it were a table of Italian-Americans, who can be every bit as loud, I doubt she says anything even if she thinks they are too loud.

[NobodyHere]

Yeah, I was hanging my argument on the word very. There's a lot of range between too loud and needing a manager to silence them.

Or said another way, I think the "too loud" complaint is an excuse for her racism. If it were a table of Italian-Americans, who can be every bit as loud, I doubt she says anything even if she thinks they are too loud.

I think you under estimate old ladies. You think they only complain about black people?

[MIJB#19]

"Black people", "Italian-Americans", "Old ladies"

Any group of people can show annoying behavior in the eyes of another person. Regardless of hair color, skin color, color of their cloths, height, age, quantity of jewelry worn, number of testicles, neighborhood they used to live in, their family name, whether they have cats at home or which news paper their grand parents used to wrap around the fish.

Most human beings are struggling with, many are incompetent and some even unwilling to look past what they think they see on the outside. As a result they'll make scientifically unproven or incorrect correlations based on whatever seems to be a trend and then in their head use stereotypes as an excuse to distinguish themselves from the "others" or if it's in their advantage call them "us". (And I'm sure you'll find me doing both as well at times, despite my desire to not do so.)

That "us" part keeps stereotypes alive within groups of people as well. "We've since forever done this or that, it's our thing!" Many groups of people keep their own stereotypes and behavior going, without even knowing why they're doing it, they were (subconsciously) taught to maintain it that way.

I think it's impossible to teach everybody to look past what's on the outside entirely, and I think there can be a historically grown big difference in which stereotypes are sensitive and/or are meant in good fun. But I think it for the better if we at least try and it probably helps a lot to have leaders who make a good example.

Calling people black and white to me is downright wrong, we come in different shades, but none of us are black or white. Our DNA may be in 1s and 0s, but nobody is just a 1 or a 0.

[tarcone]

This one is really bad

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/emmett-till-marker-mississippi-students-suspended/index.html

[NobodyHere]

It still surprises me that idiots would post stuff like that on the internet.

[illinifan999]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/chicago-salon-owner-defends-her-actions-after-video-of-fight-goes-viral

"They should feel threatened by the fact that we going to stop the cash flow going up in there," said Green. "They need to take their shop back to their own neighborhood. If you can't respect us when we allow you to be here and make money off us, take your shop back to where you come from."

[Edward64]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/chicago-salon-owner-defends-her-actions-after-video-of-fight-goes-viral

I'm not sure I would call this racism on either side right now. Maybe more "bigotry" than "racism"?

[NobodyHere]

I'm not sure I would call this racism on either side right now. Maybe more "bigotry" than "racism"?

So it's not racist to tell somebody to go back where they came from?

[Edward64]

So it's not racist to tell somebody to go back where they came from?

It depends on context and intent. I do think the word "racist" is tossed around way too much.

Is a white supremacist a racist? Yes, it fits the definition below.

Is telling someone to go back where they came from in the heat of the moment (and don't know if there has been a historical pattern with that guy) being a racist? Unknown but would say it better fits under the definition of bigotry/prejudice.

Racism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism)
Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different races or ethnicities should be treated differently.[1][2][3] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][4][5]
:
:
the meaning of the term racism is often conflated with the terms prejudice, bigotry, and discrimination. Racism is a complex concept that can involve each of those; but it cannot be equated with, nor is it synonymous, with these other terms.

Wikipedia search on Bigotry redirected me to Prejudice.

Prejudice - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice)

Prejudice[1] is an affective feeling towards a person or group member based often on that person's group membership (tribal behavior). The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavourable, feelings towards people or a person because of their political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics. In this case, it refers to a positive or negative evaluation of another person based on that person's perceived group membership.[2]

Prejudice can also refer to unfounded or pigeonholed beliefs[3][4] and it may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence".[5] Gordon Allport defined prejudice as a "feeling, favorable or unfavorable, toward a person or thing, prior to, or not based on, actual experience".[6] For the evolutionary psychology perspective, see Prejudice from an evolutionary perspective. Auestad (2015) defines prejudice as characterized by 'symbolic transfer', transfer of a value-laden meaning content onto a socially formed category and then on to individuals who are taken to belong to that category, resistance to change, and overgeneralization.[7]

Prejudice can also be classified as a reaction to a race and/or culture based purely on experience.[citation needed]

So I view it as all racists are bigots. Not all bigots are racists.

[NobodyHere]

Telling somebody they shouldn't be here because of their race is pretty f***ing racist and is included in your wikipedia definition if you read on beyond the first sentence.

[Edward64]

Telling somebody they shouldn't be here because of their race is pretty f***ing racist and is included in your wikipedia definition if you read on beyond the first sentence.

Yes, I can see what you mean if you don't take the first sentence in the paragraph as the underlying context for the rest of the paragraph.

Under your definition then, what is the difference between racism and bigotry?

[Edward64]

Let me toss out the ADL definition.

What is Racism? | ADL (https://www.adl.org/racism)
Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another.

[JPhillips]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Republican Party is enabling white supremacy in our country. As a lifelong Republican, it pains me to say this, but it’s the truth.<br><br>I of course am not suggesting that all Republicans are white supremacists nor am I saying that the average Republican is even racist.</p>&mdash; Senator McCollister (@SenMcCollister) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenMcCollister/status/1158178237899522048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Click through and read this short thread from a GOP state senator in Nebraska. It would be nice if he starts a trend.

[CU Tiger]

Agreed.

More Rs need to publicly denounce the behavior and separate themselves and isolate the idiots.

[Edward64]

Holy sh*t, what were they thinking?

Texas police apologise for horseback officers leading black man by rope - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49253691)
Texas police have apologised after an image of two white officers on horseback leading a handcuffed black man by a rope caused an outcry online.

Galveston Police Chief Vernon Hale said on Monday the technique was acceptable in some scenarios, but that "officers showed poor judgment in this instance".

He said there was no "malicious intent" and has changed department policy to "prevent the use of this technique".

Many people on social media said the photo evoked images of the slavery era.

[cuervo72]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/09/black-man-michigan-cop-kkk-house-suspension/

[Radii]

The police officer’s wife, Racheal, told WOOD that she rejected the question of whether her husband was a member of the KKK.

“No, he’s not, no, no,” she said, chuckling. She added: “He can’t say anything right now, I wish we could because it would probably set a lot of things straight.”

I'd love to hear the explanation that would just set everything straight.

[cuervo72]

Marysville council candidate Jean Cramer stuns with racist comment (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/23/marysville-michigan-city-council-candidate-jean-cramer-stuns-racist-comment/2094779001/)

MARYSVILLE, Mich. – A city council candidate in Marysville stunned an election forum Thursday night with racist comments that she later doubled down on when answering a question about diversity.

Much of the night focused on city development and park improvements, but that thread was momentarily marred with shock following a racist statement from political newcomer Jean Cramer.

“Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible,” said Cramer, one of five candidates vying for three open council seats in November.

“As long as, how can I put this? What Kathy Hayman doesn’t know is that her family is in the wrong,” she said. “(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time. But as far as me being against blacks, no I’m not.”

[Ben E Lou]

He said that....out loud....in public.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Community in Michigan reeling after video captures man making racist comment toward another parent at meeting that had been called to discuss concerns about diversity and acceptance at schools. <a href="https://t.co/u0cIxV9za4">https://t.co/u0cIxV9za4</a> <a href="https://t.co/cbvofZeMTy">pic.twitter.com/cbvofZeMTy</a></p>&mdash; ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225402294172295168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[JPhillips]

And then he throws up his arms because he's the real victim.

[Edward64]

I like it

"Why don't you stay in Mexico?"

"Because this is the greatest country in the world". Amen

[BYU 14]

Wow, but good on the crowd for letting him have it and that was an epic response.

[Lathum]

This is example 1A that this behavior is learned from parents.

[miami_fan]

You guys will never convince to change his ways by criticizing him for this.

[Lathum]

You guys will never convince to change his ways by criticizing him for this.

Someone like this is never going to change regardless but if he is publicly shamed perhaps it will help some other parents look internally.

[miami_fan]

Someone like this is never going to change regardless but if he is publicly shamed perhaps it will help some other parents look internally.

I direct you to the last 36 hours of the Trump thread for a view of people looking internally and instructions on the proper way to get people to change their minds.

[NobodyHere]

If this is how you're teaching people not to be racist, you're doing it wrong:

Woman forced to watch 'Roots' to 'understand her racism,' Cedar Rapids police say | The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/woman-forced-to-watch-roots-to-understand-her-racism-cedar-rapids-police-said-20200217)

[panerd]

If this is how you're teaching people not to be racist, you're doing it wrong:

Woman forced to watch 'Roots' to 'understand her racism,' Cedar Rapids police say | The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/woman-forced-to-watch-roots-to-understand-her-racism-cedar-rapids-police-said-20200217)

And to think Mizzou was just 17 years ahead of its time! :(

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.emissourian.com/local_news/saint_clair/st-clair-woman-files-charges-against-mu-basketball-player/article_898a5bed-6b39-5b9b-baaa-7ca11ec53b8c.html&ved=2ahUKEwi2m5P9jtznAhVUa80KHY7yD0kQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3F-zJIL1NDmpsB6eW5uGoU

[BYU 14]

And to think Mizzou was just 17 years ahead of its time! :(

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.emissourian.com/local_news/saint_clair/st-clair-woman-files-charges-against-mu-basketball-player/article_898a5bed-6b39-5b9b-baaa-7ca11ec53b8c.html&ved=2ahUKEwi2m5P9jtznAhVUa80KHY7yD0kQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3F-zJIL1NDmpsB6eW5uGoU

On a side note, looking at other stories who know Cedar Rapids was so violent

[panerd]

On a side note, looking at other stories who know Cedar Rapids was so violent

Yeah I thought the exact same thing!

[NobodyHere]

I also wonder how the guy feels like being named "Robert Lee" and why he was named that.

[cuervo72]

Naval Academy alumni board member accidentally live streams racist rant aboutÂ*Black Lives Matter | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396321/Naval-Academy-alumni-board-member-accidentally-live-streams-racist-rant-Black-Lives-Matter.html)

"Oops."

[cuervo72]

Yeah, WaPo so the title isn't going to show.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/14/kkk-mural-florida/

"The KKK is featured in a Florida courthouse mural. Lawyers are demanding its immediate removal."


The painting depicts everything from the area’s earliest indigenous tribes to a bloody Civil War battle and the proliferation of turpentine distilleries. Barber wrote a guidebook describing his historical depiction in each of the painting’s 43 panels, archived by the Baker County Historical Society. His entry for the KKK image does not mention anything about the group’s extensive and brutal history of racial terror. It instead describes the KKK as a solution to “lawlessness,” saying in part:

“Lawlessness among ex-slaves and troublesome whites was the rule of the day. No relief was given by the carpetbag and scalawag government or by the Union troops. The result was the emergence of secret societies claiming to bring law and order to the county. One of these groups was the Ku Klux Klan, an organization that sometimes took vigilante justice to extremes but was sometimes the only control the county knew over those outside the law. The Klan faded from view at the end of Reconstruction. It had minor come-backs in the 1920’s and mid 1950’s. Since then it has become the subject of legend rather than a cause of fear.”

Man, that's something right there.

[Kodos]

Sounds like they are heroes to be admired.

[NobodyHere]

I'm going to use the term "scalawag" more often.

[bob]

So pretty much the murals in Parks and Rec.

[ISiddiqui]

So pretty much the murals in Parks and Rec.

Between this and that Florida open forum a few weeks ago, Parks and Rec is more real than we ever could have imagined.

[HerRealName]

Yeah, WaPo so the title isn't going to show.

...to a bloody Civil War battle

Anyone want to hear an interesting Civil War story? No, of course not. Anyway, this battle is the Battle of Olustee and it featured the 54th Mass., which is the regiment featured in 'Glory'.

This battle starts when the main Union force advanced from Jacksonville towards Tallahassee. The general of the Union army allowed himself to be drawn into a battle in horrible, swampy terrain. He's not able to attack in force and is getting his ass kicked. This is where he calls in the 54th.

The 54th was something like 3 miles to the rear, being held as reserve. They get called in and double quick it to the battle. By the time they get there, the main force is in bad shape. Some are routing and others are faltering.

The 54th steps in and repulses several Confederate advances. They are then able to fight them back enough where the Union army is able to retreat in some decent order back towards Jacksonville. The Confederates do take this opportunity to kill every wounded black man left on the field. They're bastards, that's what they do.

On the march back, the 54th is pretty much exhausted following the run to battle and the fight. This is when they encounter a broken down train that is carrying wounded men back from the battle. The 54th use some ropes and drag that train like 15 miles back. They did get some assistance from a team of mules about half way back.

This seems like it would have been a cool story for 'Glory' but I'm guessing prevented it from showing up.

[Edward64]

Yup, this is clear-cut racism. I would like to know if he has a history or other social media presence about this. Just reading the article, it sounds like he was trying to have a discussion.

But pretty stupid. I can see being tenured and having this discussion in the appropriate college/graduate level class, but to think it was appropriate in a HS is weird.

White teacher in Texas fired after telling students his race is &#x27;the superior one&#x27; | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/us/texas-teacher-fired-race-conversation/index.html)
In one video, the teacher can be seen saying to his multi-racial class, “Deep down in my heart, I’m ethnocentric, which means I think my race is the superior one,” as students audibly react both on- and off-camera.

The teacher replies, “Let me finish. I think everybody thinks that. They’re just not honest about it.”

After some other discussion in the video, a student asks, “You said you are a racist, right?”

“I did, yeah, I’m trying to be honest,” the teacher replies.

It is unclear what was discussed before and after the recording of the videos.
In the audio, a student asks the teacher to repeat himself. The teacher says, “I said, ‘I am a racist.’ That’s what I said. Do you know what that means?”

Students’ responses overlap, and the teacher continues, “It means that deep down in my heart, I think my race is the superior race. That’s what it means to be a racist.”

[Thomkal]

No doubt he'll get teacher of the year in Texas. To say that with students of other races right in front of him is just beyond stupid. Even if he didn't believe any of what he just said-its high school not college

[Ksyrup]

Seems like kind of a cop out for CNN to know the name of the teacher (given to them by a parent, not the school district) and refuse to name him. Like, you can verify who it is independently. There are enough people who not only were in that class but in that school to be able to identify him. Fuck him, put his name out there.

[Edward64]

I noticed that too. I assumed not enough time to confirm name