I hope Jim's new game is..........

[A-Husker-4-Life]

I hope his new game is a College Baseball Sim, Just think about it... Then Jim can make a Pro game to follow that.... Pure Bliss...

[GoldenEagle]

That would be neat. However, I doubt it because there is no market.

[Franklinnoble]

I'm guessing it'd be a basketball sim... not much out there in that market right now.

[GrantDawg]

Ack! A thread about Jim and his new game. Where do you think you are!

[primelord]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I'm guessing it'd be a basketball sim... not much out there in that market right now.

I'd keep guessing. :)

[mrskippy]

Front Office Cow Tipping?

[superbama]

If it's not Front Office Curling then Jim doesn't hear the voice of his "people"

[Draft Dodger]

it's baseball.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by primelord
I'd keep guessing. :) Whoa! Maybe Prime knows something???

[mrskippy]

Front Office Forum Moderator

[Jets80]

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
it's baseball.

It will be real hard to match or pass OOTP5...real hard.

[Senator]

this seems like an intro to a question from Gene Rayburn.

[albionmoonlight]

My 2c say it's baseball. Jim likes baseball and he makes games that he likes. So what if the market for baseball sims is crowded. The game HE wants out there is not out there, so he is going to put it out there. He's made a living off of following his vision so far, and I don't think that he plans to stop just because OOTP is out there.

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by superbama
If it's not Front Office Curling then Jim doesn't hear the voice of his "people"

Hell yeah, give us curling.... :)

[tucker342]

Porn Star

[bamcgee]

beach volleyball.

[tucker342]

Now that would be awesome!:D

[Travis]

Porn Star Lawn Bowling

un.....tapped........market!

[Jets80]

On a serious note: I would love to see a good Horse Racing Sim after that definitly curling.

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by Jets80
It will be real hard to match or pass OOTP5...real hard.

I'm not sure if you mean this from a market-share/sales perspective, but in terms of gameplay the ideal text-sim baseball game has not been made IMO. OOTP5 is a step forward, but it still falls well short for what I'm looking for.

[Jets80]

Dawg..
IF Jime were to make a baseball game. What features do you think would need to added in a baseball game in order to surpass OOTP. Don't say "tweek" the finance aspect or make the AI smarter, but something that would take a baeball sim to the next level? Right off the bat i cant think of anything that would break new ground.

[Bee]

Back Office Politics.

[moriarty]

Tennis ... ok, nude co-ed tennis for Travis.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Whoa! Maybe Prime knows something???

Maybe he just knows what it is not.

[Jets80]

Originally posted by Bee
Back Office Politics.

You mean like banging George Steinbrener wife at the winter meetings and then he gets pissed at you and refuses to boradcast your games on YES network and it eats into your revenue.

[Swaggs]

Brian Boitano's Championship Male Figureskating

[Airhog]

Im going to say he's making a text sim based on golf! I mean everyone loves to watch golf on t.v. Insta-hit!

Oh and this should have been a poll :D

[Jets80]

Greg Luganis Olympic Diving

[kcchief19]

Originally posted by Senator
this seems like an intro to a question from Gene Rayburn.
I was talking to my mailman the other day about all the catalogs I received and I asked him if he ever got tired of delivering them. He said, "Every once in a while, I think I have catalogs coming out out of my blank."

I never realized the similarities between Match Game and I'm With Stupid. Gold.

[Jets80]

Delivering mail would be a great idea for a new Jim Game.....you deliver a bunch of mail and evey now and then you go postal becasue some guy gets a bunch of catalogs. People turn their hose on you or sick their dog on you, you turn around and blast them with your machine gun.

I better copywrite this idea quick before Jim steals it.....

[Calis]

NASCAR.....Oh wait, did he say he was doing a Sports Sim? :)

[superbama]

Originally posted by Jets80
You mean like banging George Steinbrener wife at the winter meetings and then he gets pissed at you and refuses to boradcast your games on YES network and it eats into your revenue.


Mmmm.......revenue fondue

[Jets80]

Im going on the record right now: I hope Jim DOES make a NASCAR sim game...Jim please make a NASCAR game!!!
then you guys will all will buy it....and YOU WILL LIKE IT.

We will soon have threads about taking a quarter wedge out of the right front, a half pound to the left rear becasue yout car was loose comming out of turn 4 and tight going into turn 1. And the debate over Chevy or Ford.

[Ksyrup]

Remember that successive thread names thread Marmel or someone started a couple of months ago? Well, according to that:

I hope Jim's new game is....

BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!!

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by Jets80
Dawg..
IF Jime were to make a baseball game. What features do you think would need to added in a baseball game in order to surpass OOTP. Don't say "tweek" the finance aspect or make the AI smarter, but something that would take a baeball sim to the next level? Right off the bat i cant think of anything that would break new ground.

Perhaps baseball with only the current 31 teams, poor AI player acquisition/management and no file editing would be considered new ground? :)

Seriously, I'm hoping for Politics or Horse Racing.

[primelord]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
Maybe he just knows what it is not.

Heh my comment wasn't based off of any "insider" information. Jim has just made statements in the past that he wouldn't close the door on any game, but that college basketball would be way down the list of games he would like to design.

[jerem77]

Originally posted by Jets80
It will be real hard to match or pass OOTP5...real hard.

I've owned games from the High Heat series, microsofts rip off of Baseball Mogul, Season Ticket Baseball, OOTP4 and OOTP5. I have enjoyed the STB/OOTP series the most, and it is by far the best baseball management sim available right now. However, despite baseball being my favorite sport, I've found FOF2 and FOF4 to be much more enjoyable and addictive. I for one, would love to see Jim's version of a baseball game. If nothing else, the competition will raise the bar for both games, and in the end, we'll be the winners.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Jets80
It will be real hard to match or pass OOTP5...real hard.

Your kidding, right?

[andy m]

quite. farting is a much better single player experience than OOTP5.

[GoldenEagle]

What about Front Office Hattrick? ;)

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by Jets80
Dawg..
IF Jime were to make a baseball game. What features do you think would need to added in a baseball game in order to surpass OOTP. Don't say "tweek" the finance aspect or make the AI smarter, but something that would take a baeball sim to the next level? Right off the bat i cant think of anything that would break new ground.

First off, I'm not a big fan of the OOTP interface - I much prefer the spreadsheet-influenced UIs of Jim's games.

Second, I have confidence that Jim would do a better job of analyzing, describing and displaying scouted attributes of players than OOTP.

Third, I have some hope that Jim would do a better job of building a reasonable minor league system to support the major league teams in comparison to OOTP.

For all our complaints about problems with free agency in Jim's games, I think he would do a better job of modeling this than OOTP.

Finally, Jim focuses on single-player experiences and has shown almost no inclination to build multi-player games. Since this is my primary focus as a text-simmer, and OOTP has focused instead on multi-player to the detriment of single-player, I think a baseball sim by Jim would interest me more than OOTP has so far.

I'm not sure whether his game would support customized player databases or not, but this isn't a big deal to me - I prefer my baseball text sims to be fictional anyway.

Since expansion was included as a feature in FOF, I wouldn't assume that expansion wouldn't also be a possibility in a Front Office Baseball title.

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by jerem77
...microsofts rip off of Baseball Mogul...

Just an FYI here - Microsoft didn't "rip off" Baseball Mogul - they paid Clay Dreslaugh for the rights to license Baseball Mogul code to use in their game.

[Mustang]

Whatever game it is, I'm sure it won't have any multiplayer capability...

[WussGawd]

Originally posted by andy m
quite. farting is a much better single player experience than OOTP5.

That's my thought as well. OOTP5 seems like it would be a great game multiplayer, but I've had a real hard time getting into it single player.

[WussGawd]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
What about Front Office Hattrick? ;)

If OOTP5 provides a barrier to entry for another text-based baseball game, CM4 provides a 20 foot tall concrete wall, topped with barbed wire, guarded by an alligator filled moat, with machine gun nests strategically placed.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by WussGawd
That's my thought as well. OOTP5 seems like it would be a great game multiplayer, but I've had a real hard time getting into it single player. It is a good singleplayer experience, but definitely not a GREAT one, imho. There is LOTS of room for improvement, to be sure. I'm hoping for baseball.

As I've been running some tests about player development curves in OOTP5, it struck me that we're in the FIFTH generation of this game, and they still can't get player development right. I have realized and appreciated the depth of Jim's research into real football player development, and real statistical results. Since the first generation of FOF games, there have been very few issues regarding the results that the sim engine generates. In a sport such as baseball, where statistical results are SO scrutinized, if you don't give me believable statistical output, I'm just not interested. That's why I never could get into OOTP3 or OOTP4. OOTP5 does it better, but there are still significant problems. I'd LOVE to sim Jim's style of interface and his depth of statistical research applied to baseball.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by kcchief19
I was talking to my mailman the other day about all the catalogs I received and I asked him if he ever got tired of delivering them. He said, "Every once in a while, I think I have catalogs coming out out of my blank."

I never realized the similarities between Match Game and I'm With Stupid. Gold.

We've been talking about it (or, well I have) in the IWS 39 (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9439) thread. Thinking about starting a match game thread....but feel as though Gene Rayburn should be hosting :)

[jerem77]

Originally posted by dawgfan
Just an FYI here - Microsoft didn't "rip off" Baseball Mogul - they paid Clay Dreslaugh for the rights to license Baseball Mogul code to use in their game.

As soon as I wrote that I knew someone was going to point that out. I guess I meant "rip off" in the sense that they failed miserably in their attempt to make an enjoyable baseball game, whereas Baseball Mogul had a pretty good following. I knew microsoft didn't "steal" the ideas since they advertised the fact that they Baseball Mogul's financial system on the front of the box.

Much like there are annoying things that slipped through in FOF, there are still some annoying things in OOTP5 that have been there at least since OOTP3.

-If I trade for a player in the preseason, his career stats will show that he played for two teams that season though he actually only played for one. The same thing happens if I trade a minor league player who never appeared on the major league roster. If he appears with the new team, both teams are shown.

-Despite the fact that the game supports "era" style baseball, in a fictional universe the game doesn't create "era" style players. Thus if I'm playing a fictional league in the "deadball Era" I will still likely end up with some guy hitting 60 homers.

-Despite all of its supposed "flexibility" there is still no support for 19th century leagues, expansion of 1 league to 2 or the reverse, 12 team leagues (which the MLB had for 1 or two seasons before splitting into divisions), and if you choose to have no playoffs, which you supposedly can, it will screw up your game.

-many people have already mentioned the single player issues so I won't even go there.

Don't get me wrong, I like OOTP5, but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally posted by JeeberD
Hell yeah, give us curling.... :)


There already is a curling sim out there. And one game is alrady too much competetion for the mighty curling market!


-Anxiety

[QuikSand]

I don't have any particular insight into the upcoming game, but I'm pretty flexible. I'm guessing it will be a whole new direction for Jim - basketball sounds like a possibility to me. But overall, in my mind, basketball is lacking in one key area - there simply isn't enough to do in terms of roster management. Manage a team of 12 players, and manage their playing time? Not enough to do.

I'm looking for enough players to give me some depth. Some layered decision-making. Football is great for this - 53 players, 22 starters, situational subs, specialists all over the place - it's ideal for a text sim.

I really don't care what the new game is - I'll play it. I just want the same things - complex decisions to make, both in sports terms and in financial terms, and a challenge in both respects.

[oykib]

I think baseball is also good for that. Baseball is good in that you have minor league levels and scouting. No game I've played manages to really capture the stuff a MLB GM has to deal with.

For instance, most baseball sims have some form of scouting. But they don't really factor in how much you have to manage resources as far as scouts. Where is advance scouting? A contending team has as many or more scouts on the road looking towards their possible competition as they have beating the bushes.

What about team focus? Are we looking Ken Griffey, jr. and other HS talent or are we looking for college ballplayers? How much international scouting do we do? Are we gonna build an academy in San Pedro de Marcoris?

These are things that have been missed. Also, I don't see teams having proper reps. CM gets it right. Good players won't come to your team if it's a crappy squad in a podunk town. Your good players want to leave. Sometimes players just won't re-sign with you when they come through your system.

OOTP comes the closest. But for some reason most of what I do in OOTP seems like a chore.

In general there doesn't seem to be enough in terms of investment in both the short and long terms. Therefore these sims haven't been able to give you real resource management. That's where the next dimension is in these sims.

[GoldenEagle]

I think there is a market for soccer in the United States. Championship Manager is certiantly a great game but there is definanlty ways it can be aproved on in the United States. Just my two cents.