NFL 2019 Season Thread [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

larrymcg421

07-12-2019, 02:11 PM

The NFL has proposed an 18-game season with a 16 game per-player season limit.

16 games seems like plenty from a fan standpoint, but it'd be fascinating to see the strategies employed by teams to work in backup QBs, kickers/punters, etc (unless those positions are exempt).

The only thing I don't like about this is it further de-emphasizes divisional games. We went from 8 of 16 games being within the division to 6 of 16. This would make it 6 of 18.

But I do like the idea of the 16 game limit for players and the strategy implications for the 2 games of backups, especially for QB's. They'd almost certainly have to expand the roster sizes to make this happen.

BishopMVP

07-12-2019, 02:12 PM

I don't see how that works at QB/WR in particular. Owners just getting out in front so they can pull this off the table & say how nice they are only having 16 games during CBA negotiations. I also still think an NFL sponsored/affiliated spring 7v7esque league to help develop/find guys at the skill positions where weekly wear & tear isn't as severe would be a big moneymaker. XFL2? Couldn't care less. Jarrett Stidham throwing to N'Keal Harry, Braxton Berrios, and these 6 other UDFA's or no-name FA's with Patriots helmets on? I'm in.

Speaking of Patriots passing duos, Brady was in LA last week & just happened to work out with Rob Gronkowski... It's the most obvious joke in the world, but I agree the odds of Gronk coming back in November have now offically gone from 50/50 to 69%.

Logan

07-12-2019, 02:41 PM

Still don't understand why they haven't moved on a second bye week. Same number of games but an extra week of regular season to sell, but gets more rest for players.

NobodyHere

07-12-2019, 02:48 PM

I like the idea of an 18 game season with 2 bye weeks.

stevew

07-12-2019, 03:07 PM

Logan

07-12-2019, 03:10 PM

It just seems like a very strange move to intentionally degrade the quality of your product. Injuries aside, a football season is short enough where you can rely on every team putting their best 46 players on the field for every game. But instead you want to scrape off on average 5 or 6 of those guys for every game? Seems crazy.

Although I'll appreciate the irony of a Pats game getting flexed to SNF and then NBC gets stuck with Brian Hoyer behind center.

Honolulu_Blue

07-12-2019, 03:11 PM

I'm all for a second bye week, but very much opposed to an 18 game schedule.

albionmoonlight

07-12-2019, 03:30 PM

16 games
2 bye weeks
No one gets Thursday football on short rest

JonInMiddleGA

07-12-2019, 03:48 PM

It just seems like a very strange move to intentionally degrade the quality of your product. Injuries aside, a football season is short enough where you can rely on every team putting their best 46 players on the field for every game. But instead you want to scrape off on average 5 or 6 of those guys for every game? Seems crazy.

We aren't in agreement all that often but, yeah, this is some MLB-caliber dumb a.f. stuff as proposals go.

BishopMVP

07-12-2019, 03:56 PM

I know these things are incremental but 20 regular season games with 4 player bye weeks and no regular bye weeks and no preseason games is probably where it should be. No need for a developmental league if you just run a 70 man extended rosterWe already have 4 games with backup QB's, fluctuating rosters, and less cohesive play - it's called the preseason and it sucks. You want to move these 4 games into the meat of the schedule and count them for playoff purposes?

The main thing separating the quality of the NFL product from bad alternative leagues is those top 20 or so QB's, and you want a system where they're forced to sit 20% of the games?

BishopMVP

07-12-2019, 04:07 PM

Btw in this hypothetical world, would you just play your QB the first 16 weeks & hope you've clinched by the last two? Or would you try and sneak out a couple wins vs a terrible team/throw a game vs a very good one in the middle of the season? If it wasn't for all the other reasons it's a bad idea, this would be shot down by Vegas in a heartbeat.

Kodos

07-12-2019, 05:52 PM

The 18-game season with 2 byes and no short weeks before Thursday night games seems like a nifty solution.

EagleFan

07-13-2019, 12:08 AM

16 games is the perfect fit. Maybe a 2nd bye. The proposed idea is just plain idiocy.

Kodos

07-13-2019, 09:51 AM

I should clarify. I meant 16 games + 2 byes = 18 week season.

CU Tiger

07-15-2019, 10:14 AM

If they got 18/16 route...how long before the owners get into a collusion argument.

Ok Jerry, I'll sit all my startes this week when we travel to Dallas, and then you sit yours when you come to <Insert Division Opponent here>...both home crowds will get to see a W we get a season split.

Or how many players would want to choose their sit week when visiting Denver or GreenBay in December...and then home field advantage gets real.

JPhillips

07-15-2019, 10:20 AM

The 16/18 idea seems like a negotiating ploy that isn't well thought through. It is an absolute certainty that pretty quickly a team will have to sit their QB for the last two games after they've turned their season around and look like a possible playoff team. No amount of, They should have prepared for this..., is going to make it any less of a disaster for the NFL and that team's fans. Does the NFL really want the end of a season to be dominated by talk about a stupid rule that keeps players from playing?

edit: Or what about an owner that plays all his guys and dares the NFL to make him forfeit when he needs twenty replacements in weeks 17 and 18?

stevew

07-15-2019, 10:28 AM

I think the move is to just sit as many key starters as possible week 1 and 2. Try to split and proceed accordingly. Unless you have an early bye week. Theoretically all your backups are as coached up as possible at the start of the season. And you can grind out at least 1 win regardless.

albionmoonlight

07-15-2019, 10:32 AM

larrymcg421

07-15-2019, 10:50 AM

Lathum

07-15-2019, 10:55 AM

I think doing it in the first few games is a bad move because some of these guys might get injured during the season. If you sit them early, then you can't potentially use their injured games to eat up those 2 absences.

This was my thought.

I think it is an absolutely terrible idea, and headed down the path that has given the NBA problems. Considering some NFL fans are all over the country could make it worse. It would be pretty crappy for a Packers fan in say, Tampa Bay, to pay top dollar for a ticket just to have that be a game Arod sits.

Does it address kickers? How do you handle that?

Honolulu_Blue

07-15-2019, 11:05 AM

The whole 18 games, but players can only play 16 games, is very dumb. It would negatively impact fantasy football and could negatively impact gambling, both of which are critical to the NFL's success. I don't see it happening.

16 NFL games is plenty. I'd love to see the pre-season reduced to 2 (or 3) games.

albionmoonlight

07-19-2019, 09:59 AM

Looks like Tyreek Hill will not be suspended this season. I think that most people had assumed he would be.

Thomkal

07-23-2019, 10:38 AM

Mark Sanchez retires from the NFL for ABC/ESPN job. I'd like to rub this in with my Jets loving twin brother, but kinda hard right now coming from a Cards fan :)

https://nypost.com/2019/07/23/mark-sanchez-retires-from-nfl-for-high-profile-espn-job/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Butter

07-23-2019, 10:46 AM

Learned through that article that FOX is trying to re-start their college pregame show. Didn't they try that already with Erin Andrews?

BishopMVP

07-23-2019, 03:04 PM

Looks like Tyreek Hill will not be suspended this season. I think that most people had assumed he would be.Jarran Reed is for 6 games though in another case the police declined to press charges. So I guess "you can't prove if it was me or my gf/wife who broke our child's arm, and let's just ignore the tape recordings where I say she should be afraid of me too" is now an accepted defense by the NFL. I believe the NFL's statement also implied that the fact the Missouri DCF took the kid away from Hill & the gf/wife is a point against suspending him? Shurg, villains are always fun to root against I guess.

Scarecrow

07-24-2019, 08:26 AM

Jarran Reed is for 6 games though in another case the police declined to press charges. So I guess "you can't prove if it was me or my gf/wife who broke our child's arm, and let's just ignore the tape recordings where I say she should be afraid of me too" is now an accepted defense by the NFL. I believe the NFL's statement also implied that the fact the Missouri DCF took the kid away from Hill & the gf/wife is a point against suspending him? Shurg, villains are always fun to root against I guess.

Just to clear up some things...

1) the hospital that treated their son's arm said the break was consistent with a person trying to brace for a fall, and not any abuse
2) the full 11 minute tape recording shows that Tyreek's "afraid of me too" was in reference to him exposing Crystal and her family's false testimony to the Oklahoma City Police in the 2014 incident
3) It was the Kansas DCF that temporarily removed the child from the family, as per procedure. He has since been returned to the two of them. It was the recommendation of the DCF that Crystal be evaluated for possibly suffering from Munchhausen syndrome.

For some detailed investigative reporting on the situation, read this: Sex, Lies and Audiotape: Can Tyreek Hill Outrun The Espinal Family? (https://medium.com/@claywendler/sex-lies-and-audiotape-can-tyreek-hill-outrun-espinal-family-control-95ca27954911)

Arles

07-24-2019, 10:33 AM

Packers release Mike Daniels (in the last year of his deal with a $10 mil salary). He's a big name, but he's really only a 3rd down rusher with this team. He struggled to fit with Pettine last year (10 games - 2 sacks, 5 QB hits and 18 tackles) before hitting IR with a foot injury. I think he'll be a nice addition to a team on a cheap contract, but I can see why GB cut him. There's as good a chance that he ends up on the IR again this year (and the team eats the $10 mil) as there is that he's a productive player living up to the 1-$10 mil deal.

tarcone

07-24-2019, 10:36 AM

He was a good Hawkeye. Sorry to see this. Hope he recovers and continues his career.

Arles

07-24-2019, 11:40 AM

I think Daniels is still a good player. But, with the team signing and drafting guys to play the 3-technique, his role was going to be diminished. I think the Packers cutting him was because of three factors:

1. He wanted a new contract and the team didn't want to pay him. This probably would have been an issue all year. And, if you combine his lack of PT going into a UFA season with not getting an extension - it probably wouldn't have gone well.

2. The team drafted Gary, added Z'Darius Smith and wants use a recent pick in Montravious Adams as inside rushers on 3rd downs. That's really the main usefulness for Daniels at the stage and he looks like just a rotational guy with this group (esp after adding in Clark and Lowry on normal downs).

3. Given Daniels' recent injury history (8 games and IR stints in the past two), his salary ($10 mil) and the risk that he goes on the IR because of injury or injury + unhappiness, I think the team thought it was best to cut him before camp. It sounded like they have been offering him for a pick since June and there were no takers for his salary. There are stories the team will use his $10 mil to extend some upcoming FAs, something they couldn't do if he played and ended up on the IR.

All in all, it was kind of a perfect storm where a useful player got cut before camp. He will help the team that gets him (as long as his health holds up).

stevew

07-24-2019, 01:08 PM

I know it happens every year but it’s totally screwed up that a team can roster a guy for 97% of the offseason and then dump him when all the money/roster spots are dried up elsewhere

BishopMVP

07-24-2019, 02:12 PM

Just to clear up some things...

1) the hospital that treated their son's arm said the break was consistent with a person trying to brace for a fall, and not any abuse
2) the full 11 minute tape recording shows that Tyreek's "afraid of me too" was in reference to him exposing Crystal and her family's false testimony to the Oklahoma City Police in the 2014 incident
3) It was the Kansas DCF that temporarily removed the child from the family, as per procedure. He has since been returned to the two of them. It was the recommendation of the DCF that Crystal be evaluated for possibly suffering from Munchhausen syndrome.

For some detailed investigative reporting on the situation, read this: Sex, Lies and Audiotape: Can Tyreek Hill Outrun The Espinal Family? (https://medium.com/@claywendler/sex-lies-and-audiotape-can-tyreek-hill-outrun-espinal-family-control-95ca27954911)So Tyreek is the victim here and in 2014? She and her family are after his money, but also made up allegations that got him kicked off Oklahoma State and broke off his huge money extension talks? We're alleging she made up the punching/strangling story, he pled guilty to it even though he was completely innocent, and was so forgiving he continued their relationship and got engaged to her 4 years later? Yeah, she might be crazy too, but I'm not buying that he's an innocent bystander this whole time.

My apologies on the geographic mistake.

albionmoonlight

07-24-2019, 02:50 PM

I know it happens every year but it’s totally screwed up that a team can roster a guy for 97% of the offseason and then dump him when all the money/roster spots are dried up elsewhere

Yes. Although if a player has enough leverage, he can negotiate for roster bonuses to be due right before free agency starts, forcing the team to cut him early if they don't want to pay it.

BishopMVP

07-25-2019, 12:17 PM

Does anyone understand the flexing rules and what games can't be moved? The Patriots host the Chiefs on December 8 with a 4:25pm listed start... is CBS allowed to protect some games - it seems odd this isn't already a Monday night game since it's a top 3 game. I might have some friends come down for a football weekend with the ACC Championship game that Saturday night, but if the Patriots game is just going to get flexed to Sunday night it would screw up travel plans.

henry296

07-25-2019, 02:10 PM

Chief Rum

07-25-2019, 02:14 PM

Yes, they can protect games but they don't make those decisions until the season is underway. Unless Mahomes or Brady get hurt, I would feel comfortable that CBS would protect it. None of the other CBS games are that attractive.

Also, the Sunday night game is Seahawks-Rams. Unless the Seahawks completely fall apart, that should still be a key dividional game and the Rams offense is a ratings draw (plus, it's LA). So I think Bishop is safe.

Although I do think it's weird the NFL didn't find a way to put that in primetime somewhere.

henry296

07-25-2019, 02:57 PM

Also, the Sunday night game is Seahawks-Rams. Unless the Seahawks completely fall apart, that should still be a key dividional game and the Rams offense is a ratings draw (plus, it's LA). So I think Bishop is safe.

Although I do think it's weird the NFL didn't find a way to put that in primetime somewhere.

Similar to Colts/Pats I think they might want to rotate them and since it was on Sunday night last year, CBS wants it this year.

bhlloy

07-27-2019, 04:15 PM

heh, Golden Tate suspended for 4 games, Coleman out for the season and Shepherd a doubt for the season opener. With Eli Manning's continued excellence, should be a great season up ahead in New York.

BishopMVP

07-28-2019, 12:55 AM

Also, the Sunday night game is Seahawks-Rams. Unless the Seahawks completely fall apart, that should still be a key dividional game and the Rams offense is a ratings draw (plus, it's LA). So I think Bishop is safe.I'm the one who lives here, so I'm great regardless, it's my friends who could be screwed! ;) Sounds like we should be good, and if not I'll tell them to blame Goodell, Ebersol (is he still alive?), and Chief Rum/henry296. :)

Thomkal

07-28-2019, 09:50 AM

So my beloved Cards had yet another 1st rounder bust on them, this time Robert Nkemdiche was released after showing up to camp not in shape after recovering from an injury. Fellow 1st rounder Haason Reddick may be heading there too with a knee injury this camp already, though he may be back for week 1, Since 2012 only 3 first rounders remain on the roster. I can only hope kyler murray doesn't end up joining that list some day.

miami_fan

07-29-2019, 04:28 PM

:D

Roger Goodell, refs set to be deposed in September over Saints-Rams no call, judge says | Courts | nola.com (https://www.nola.com/news/courts/article_07668118-b229-11e9-bcd9-1b06f81b6934.html)

CU Tiger

07-29-2019, 06:37 PM

So my beloved Cards had yet another 1st rounder bust on them, this time Robert Nkemdiche was released after showing up to camp not in shape after recovering from an injury.

Shocked. SHocked I tell you.

NobodyHere

08-01-2019, 06:51 PM

Pre-season football is upon us gentleman

NobodyHere

08-01-2019, 08:11 PM

I'll continue to hate to QB sliding rule as usual.

bhlloy

08-01-2019, 08:16 PM

Even though the HOF game is typical preseason football, it might still be a must watch as the first action we’ve had in months, if they would stop with the endless cutaways and painful interviews.

As it is, just turned it off for the night. Meh.

molson

08-05-2019, 12:20 AM

Brady signs for 2 more years after this one. I still expect his inevitable weird last season with another team to come in 2022 at age 45.

BishopMVP

08-05-2019, 03:04 AM

Brady signs for 2 more years after this one. I still expect his inevitable weird last season with another team to come in 2022 at age 45.I hope he succeeds Jimmy Garoppollo in San Fran so we can close that loop and yell (on deaf/plugged ears) about the idiots who wanted to push him out the door for JG. Real talk though, Jarrett Stidham looks good... I can't wait until we trade him in 2022 for a 2nd round pick because Brady is still playing!

I also don't know how much traction it got, but did people see Belichick made a 69 joke at a press conference?!? We get it, Gronk's coming back in November, stop overdoing the bit. :lol:

NobodyHere

08-07-2019, 06:57 PM

Source -- AB suffered frostbite during cryotherapy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27339752/source-ab-suffered-frostbite-cryotherapy)

Well this is a new one.

miami_fan

08-07-2019, 07:42 PM

The developer of the game is getting a bit too cute.

Thomkal

08-08-2019, 09:27 PM

Kyler Murray goes 6/6 in his first action in the NFL-open the doors for the Hall of Fame for him :)

sabotai

08-08-2019, 10:01 PM

Daniel Jones goes 5/5 and 1 TD. Obviously Jones and Murray will be the next Brady-Manning rivalry.

Thomkal

08-08-2019, 10:04 PM

Obviously :)

Honolulu_Blue

08-09-2019, 09:26 AM

Lions looking good in preseason!

albionmoonlight

08-09-2019, 09:39 AM

Matt Schaub wins my annual "Holy shit, that guy's still in the league?" backup quarterback award for preseason 2019.

This might be even more shocking than when I saw David Carr playing for the Giants in preseason 2012.

PilotMan

08-09-2019, 09:41 AM

Two North Dakota State guys scored touchdowns yesterday. One was Stick the 5th round QB for the Chargers and the other was Darrius Shepherd an undrafted free agent for the Packers. That's a great day!

bhlloy

08-09-2019, 10:29 PM

You have to figure they've got to be having fun watching the show in the Steelers locker room right now

stevew

08-10-2019, 12:39 AM

He’s going apeshit over a helmet. Mr Big Chest is literally insane

stevew

08-13-2019, 04:09 PM

When is it going to come out that Brown had a sponsorship deal with Schutt and this was just for millions of dollars of free add exposure.

NobodyHere

08-14-2019, 06:41 PM

Colts GM: Andrew Luck's calf injury is high-ankle issue - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001041194/article/colts-gm-andrew-lucks-calf-injury-is-highankle-issue)

Good lord, first it was a calf issue with Andrew Luck, then it was a bone issue, now it's an ankle issue.

It's like the Colts are wrote down random injuries, threw them in a hat and now draw one every few days.

Chief Rum

08-14-2019, 08:48 PM

albionmoonlight

08-15-2019, 03:45 PM

If we miss another season of Luck because of a "minor" injury that the team misdiagnosed/let linger/treated horribly . . .

CU Tiger

08-15-2019, 06:44 PM

Butter

08-15-2019, 08:41 PM

Kyler Murray didn't look all that great.

Thomkal

08-15-2019, 08:48 PM

Kyler Murray didn't look all that great.

Neither did the rest of the team

Butter

08-15-2019, 08:59 PM

Neither did the rest of the team

Hundley seemed to be moving them.

AlexB

08-16-2019, 01:54 AM

The Achilles attaches to the calf and can be the source of high ankle issues...

Yeah, i ruptured my achilles right at that juncture, and it was my first thought when I read the latest update

bhlloy

08-19-2019, 07:30 PM

So the preseason doesn't matter in any form, but holy crap Jimmy G looks terrible. Chances Mullens is the QB and Shanahan is not the coach at the end of the season?

Lathum

08-19-2019, 07:35 PM

So the preseason doesn't matter in any form, but holy crap Jimmy G looks terrible. Chances Mullens is the QB and Shanahan is not the coach at the end of the season?

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JonInMiddleGA

08-21-2019, 02:52 PM

And I think we have to keep those things in a little perspective and not get too crazy over a missed kick here or there." -- the guy who seems to be the most OCD about a missed kick

molson

08-21-2019, 05:37 PM

What information does "bringing kickers in" give you that actually watching kickers kick in games does not?

It seems like teams haven't figured out how to do this yet. They watch a million practice kicks, preseason game kicks, the college career, but then a player gets cut if he misses a few big kicks when the games start. What was the point of all the training camp reps and what was learned from that?

I'm not sure there's much practical difference between most of these kickers. They're going to miss sometimes. Statistically, they're going to miss a few in a row sometimes. If they haven't yet, they're gonna. Then they'll make a ton in a row, with you or someone else if they get the chance. Dan Carlson got cut for missing 3 kicks, then he went 16/17 with Oakland. I don't think he learned how to kick during the season. He just went 17/21 over the season and had a few of those misses early. If he had those misses in weeks 4, 8, 12, and 15, we'd be saying he had a solid season.

RainMaker

08-21-2019, 05:42 PM

So the preseason doesn't matter in any form, but holy crap Jimmy G looks terrible. Chances Mullens is the QB and Shanahan is not the coach at the end of the season?

Way too much money invested in him to move on. And maybe Mullens turns out to be better, but enough to give up on that money? Probably not.

stevew

08-21-2019, 06:22 PM

They can cut him for a 4M charge at the end of the year

JPhillips

08-22-2019, 03:03 PM

Patrick Chung busted for cocaine possession.

Any other team would be getting killed for a culture of criminality, but winning excuses everything in the NFL.

Lathum

08-22-2019, 08:56 PM

Just found out I'm going to Jets-Browns MNF week 2. Should be fun to see the Browns in person. Plus it is in a luxury sweet which is always a great way to see a game.

SirFozzie

08-22-2019, 09:08 PM

Newton injured?

Chief Rum

08-22-2019, 09:43 PM

Just found out I'm going to Jets-Browns MNF week 2. Should be fun to see the Browns in person. Plus it is in a luxury sweet which is always a great way to see a game.

I really enjoyed my one game at Met Life. Admittedly I was sitting with the plebes. But I.still had a good time. Enjoy!

Chief Rum

08-22-2019, 09:45 PM

So... the Pack held out 33 players from the game tonight because of field conditions.

If I'm NOT one of those 33, I'm kinda like... WTF?!?

JonInMiddleGA

08-22-2019, 10:48 PM

So... the Pack held out 33 players from the game tonight because of field conditions.

If I'm NOT one of those 33, I'm kinda like... WTF?!?

LOL ... but you raise a fair point

SirFozzie

08-23-2019, 12:09 AM

Ankle sprain for Cam newton. Wonder if that puts him in jeopardy for week 1.

BishopMVP

08-23-2019, 12:20 AM

So... the Pack held out 33 players from the game tonight because of field conditions.

If I'm NOT one of those 33, I'm kinda like... WTF?!?Shurg, you got 40 players for 20 (13) spots. Get your reps in. (Plus I'm not sure if there was any problem with the field outside of that spot where the CFL goalposts normally are, so it wasn't like they had an elevated injury risk elsewhere.)
Patrick Chung busted for cocaine possession.

Any other team would be getting killed for a culture of criminality, but winning excuses everything in the NFL.]Not a great look, but unless you count Duron Harmon getting detained for trying to bring marijuana into Costa Rica that's the first time a real Patriot has been charged since Brandon Spikes' hit & run in 2015 (little known fact - he was hammered & leaving a party at the Kraft house, so yeah the RKK & Hernandez stigmas are understandable, but I don't see a pattern here.)

Doesn't sound like Chung would be suspended until potentially next year, but I'm not even sure we'd miss him at this point. This Patriots team is easily the deepest since maybe 07? 03-04? With Josh Gordon, Damien Harris & Jakobi Meyers emergence the offensive skill players are deeper than I can remember, the DB's are even better, the LB's are still a couple injuries away from being stretched thin but I count 5.5 good ones vs like 2.5 we had in the past couple seasons (hilarious that we have a chastened Jamie Collins back after the furor when he was shipped to Cleveland). Not sure Isaiah Wynn can match Trent Brown's pass pro level at LT by later in the year, but he was option A last August for a reason & while he's being brought along slowly there haven't been bad signs. Trey Flowers deserved everything he got paid as an all-around guy (and I don't love him off the field), but Michael Bennett has looked fantastic, Winovich looks good for a rookie & Deatrich Wise might make the leap and be the next Patriot DE who gets paid by another team after 2 good years here. A Brady injury would still kill us, but Coach Hoyer is great & Stidham looks as good as Jimmy G did as a backup. Even at Punter we've somehow upgraded from a guy who was legitimately in the Super Bowl MVP discussion (though he needs to work on his holding - Laces Out Jake!) The one thing we're really missing is an above average starting TE, but you know...

Butter

08-24-2019, 08:34 PM

Holy shit, Andrew Luck to retire according to ESPN

Lathum

08-24-2019, 08:36 PM

Holy shit, Andrew Luck to retire according to ESPN

Just saw that on the ticker.

NFL will be extinct in another 20-25 years.

Thomkal

08-24-2019, 08:39 PM

Report: Andrew Luck retiring from NFL – ProFootballTalk (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/24/report-andrew-luck-retiring-from-nfl/)

Kodos

08-24-2019, 08:41 PM

Surprising. But might well be a good choice.

cuervo72

08-24-2019, 08:51 PM

Wow.

MizzouRah

08-24-2019, 09:43 PM

Luck will be missed, class act for sure.

SirFozzie

08-24-2019, 10:23 PM

The Checkdown on Twitter: "The nicest guy the game has ever seen. ðŸ’¯â€¦ " (https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/1165439831754756097)

NobodyHere

08-24-2019, 11:06 PM

Holy shit, Andrew Luck to retire according to ESPN

The NFL is officially bugged.

And as a Colts fan:
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So we go into the season with Jacoby Brisset and Chad Kelly as our QBs? Any good prospects in next year's draft?

SirFozzie

08-24-2019, 11:08 PM

At least you're handling it better than your Colts fandommates, (you know the ones burning his jersey and booing him as he left the field tonight)

claphamsa

08-24-2019, 11:14 PM

he will be back...

NobodyHere

08-24-2019, 11:15 PM

At least you're handling it better than your Colts fandommates, (you know the ones burning his jersey and booing him as he left the field tonight)

If I had spent good money on season tickets (I assume most people at the game did) I might be booing too.

RainMaker

08-25-2019, 12:08 AM

Two years ago I got to stand on the sidelines of an NFL game for a half. Watching it from that close makes me understand why people who are financially stable would want no part of it anymore. You can't even begin to understand how violent it is till you stand near it.

stevew

08-25-2019, 02:36 AM

It’s not like they’ll be starting 43 year old Kerry Collins and some dude with a blonde mullet like last time.

albionmoonlight

08-25-2019, 06:40 AM

miami_fan

08-25-2019, 06:53 AM

He broke up with them the week before the prom.

Butter

08-25-2019, 07:02 AM

So he decided this during their preseason game?

So weird

Scoobz0202

08-25-2019, 07:11 AM

He said he decided within the last couple weeks (or at least that is when he started thinking about it). He was going to tell the team after the game and then there was going to be a presser the next day (today) at 3pm, but then it leaked during the game.

Edit: It's related to his injuries. He is tired of 4 years of Injury - Pain - Rehab cycle. This ankle not progressing was the breaking point. Still in pain.

Related:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Physical toll on Andrew Luck through 6 NFL seasons:<br>» Torn cartilage in 2 ribs<br>» partially torn abdomen<br>» a lacerated kidney that left him peeing blood<br>» at least 1 concussion<br>» a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder<br>» and this mysterious calf/ankle issue that led to this</p>— Zak Keefer (@zkeefer) <a href="https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1165440454927814656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Racer

08-25-2019, 07:19 AM

Luck plays well for the Colts
Luck is a class act off the field
Luck retires early due to injuries

I'm having a hard time even understanding Colts fans booing him. Leave aside whether it is "right" to boo him or not. I mean, I literally don't understand why they would feel anything but pity for the guy.

News broke during the game. Fans were reacting in the moment. I'd bet fans of other teams would do the same if they had a star QB under 30 and it leaked during the game that the player was retiring. I doubt he'd receive the same reaction if fans were given 24 hours to process the information.

Warhammer

08-25-2019, 08:17 AM

I don't know, I am a huge Rams fan, and if Goff went through the same crap Luck has, I wouldn't blame him. Luck has been injury plagued the last few years (2018 appears to be the aberration there), and his body was not recovering. He's not yet 30, he's financially stable, why ruin your body if it is telling you its time?

Would I be upset? Hell yes. Would I boo or blame him given the circumstances? No.

CU Tiger

08-25-2019, 09:56 AM

So maybe it's too soon for the conversation but based on body of work Luck has to be labeled a bust, right?

NobodyHere

08-25-2019, 10:06 AM

So maybe it's too soon for the conversation but based on body of work Luck has to be labeled a bust, right?

55-33 record
4 Pro Bowls
1 AFC Championship Appearance
171 TDs

That's not the statistics of a bust.

molson

08-25-2019, 10:23 AM

So maybe it's too soon for the conversation but based on body of work Luck has to be labeled a bust, right?

Disappointment more than a full bust.

The biggest thing is maybe that they gave up 3 years of MVP-caliber Manning when they were still very good (11-5 each season), to commit long-term to a new QB that wasn't as good as Manning those three seasons. Maybe Manning would have been more expensive and would have made the team around him somewhat worse, but it also might have cost them a Super Bowl or two.

molson

08-25-2019, 10:27 AM

News broke during the game. Fans were reacting in the moment. I'd bet fans of other teams would do the same if they had a star QB under 30 and it leaked during the game that the player was retiring. I doubt he'd receive the same reaction if fans were given 24 hours to process the information.

I've browsed around on the Colts subbreddit a few times over the years. The Luck injury drama has been incredibly exhausting to that fanbase (not as exhausting as GOING through it of course...) There were years of detailed reports and little smidgens of news and inferences about his condition. Like analyzing his posture when he's standing on the sidelines, not participating in a practice. Nobody from the team ever seemed to play it straight with them. Eventually it got out that it all started with a snowboarding accident. I can see it being deflating in the moment when they hang on the guy's every move for years and then he calls it quits in this manner, right before the season, after the draft, and when he's still hanging around on the field for some reason. It's probably some low % of fans who would boo, it doesn't take many to hear them, but, I can understand them being frustrated in the moment.

miami_fan

08-25-2019, 10:38 AM

News broke during the game. Fans were reacting in the moment. I'd bet fans of other teams would do the same if they had a star QB under 30 and it leaked during the game that the player was retiring. I doubt he'd receive the same reaction if fans were given 24 hours to process the information.

The reality is other fan bases would be similarly criticized for that sort of behavior and I am guessing that Colts fans would be right there among the critics.

I am not sure if fans will be as forgiving with Luck as with say Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. We have already seen a bit of "not a real man" talk from members of the media. It is not neck surgery like Peyton Manning. They did not have to drag him off the field. The game did not say he was no longer good enough. Have we progressed enough that it is okay that he walk away instead of leaving on his back? I hope they are but I don't know.

CU Tiger

08-25-2019, 11:03 AM

55-33 record
4 Pro Bowls
1 AFC Championship Appearance
171 TDs

That's not the statistics of a bust.

So similar to Tony Romo as a contemporary or
Jim McMahon, Danny White and Jay Schroeder historically ...But picked 1.1 and giving up one of the top 3 QBs to ever play take him....I think that's borderline bust at absolute best.

Btw comps were pulled just by sorting all-time and by wins then win %

JonInMiddleGA

08-25-2019, 11:14 AM

In the current climate, I can't say I'm particularly shocked to see people being okay with a guy who just quit. That it's an under-30 who did it isn't a surprise either.

JonInMiddleGA

08-25-2019, 11:16 AM

Disappointment more than a full bust.

That was pretty much my reaction to the news. Short of expectations, for whatever reason(s) you want to assign.

Warhammer

08-25-2019, 11:17 AM

McMahon had all-time defenses on the other side of the ball. Danny White had plenty of talent surrounding him on both sides of the ball. Jay Schroeder surprises me, I cannot explain that at all.

EDIT: Also, McMahon won a Super Bowl, and had he been healthy, the Bears probably win in 86 as well. Danny White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC title games, 80, 81, and 82.

That out of the way, I think you need to split Luck’s performance out from the Suck for Luck the Colts did. I would not call Luck a bust, but the Suck for Luck did not work.

miami_fan

08-25-2019, 11:42 AM

In the current climate, I can't say I'm particularly shocked to see people being okay with a guy who just quit. That it's an under-30 who did it isn't a surprise either.

His birthday is in 18 days. Not sure him waiting until he was over thirty would make things better.

JonInMiddleGA

08-25-2019, 11:43 AM

His birthday is in 18 days. Not sure him waiting until he was over thirty would make things better.

True. He'd still be part of the same generation.

albionmoonlight

08-25-2019, 11:46 AM

I've browsed around on the Colts subbreddit a few times over the years. The Luck injury drama has been incredibly exhausting to that fanbase (not as exhausting as GOING through it of course...) There were years of detailed reports and little smidgens of news and inferences about his condition. Like analyzing his posture when he's standing on the sidelines, not participating in a practice. Nobody from the team ever seemed to play it straight with them. Eventually it got out that it all started with a snowboarding accident. I can see it being deflating in the moment when they hang on the guy's every move for years and then he calls it quits in this manner, right before the season, after the draft, and when he's still hanging around on the field for some reason. It's probably some low % of fans who would boo, it doesn't take many to hear them, but, I can understand them being frustrated in the moment.

I can see to some degree the boos being frustration at how the team handled his injuries, etc.

Warhammer

08-25-2019, 12:41 PM

True. He'd still be part of the same generation.

So his retirement due to how difficult it has been to comeback from injury, which is why many player retire in their 30s, makes this guy soft?

He came back from one of the most significant injuries for those relying on their shoulder and arm when he came back from the torn labrum (this is the same injury Brees had that led to SD opting to go with Rivers years ago). That ends a lot of pitching and QB careers. So saying or implying he is soft does not carry much weight.

SirFozzie

08-25-2019, 12:50 PM

"Forget it, FOFC, It's JonInMiddleGA."

Props to the Colts franchise for doing the right thing with Luck (although it sounds like they've known for at least this week that he wasn't going to continue)

Sources -- Colts won't recoup money from Luck (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27460243/sources-colts-recoup-money-luck)

Despite the fact that they could have recouped $24.8 million from their former quarterback, the Indianapolis Colts have reached a financial settlement with Andrew Luck and will not take back any of the money they are owed, league sources told ESPN.

The Colts essentially are telling Luck to keep it all, even though it is within their rights to reclaim the money.

The settlement was reached late last week, according to a source familiar with the talks

Luck, 29, could have owed the Colts $12.8 million as a prorated portion of the $32 million signing bonus the Colts gave him when he signed his five-year extension in 2016, and another $12 million in roster bonuses he was paid in March. But Indianapolis waived its right to recoup the money and is allowing Luck to keep it all, after the poundings he's taken and all he's given to the franchise. It is, in an official way, his parting gift.

CU Tiger

08-25-2019, 01:23 PM

I wonder if given the current climate around injuries he signed a release of some sort for ever attempting to pursue damages from Indy in exchange for keeping the money.

But maybe I'm just cynical

JPhillips

08-25-2019, 01:48 PM

That was my thought as well. I'm sure there are 10,000 things to sue an Irsay run team over.

NobodyHere

08-25-2019, 02:53 PM

That was my thought as well. I'm sure there are 10,000 things to sue an Irsay run team over.

But at least a shortage of pain pills is not one of them.

RainMaker

08-25-2019, 04:02 PM

The rumor has been that he has damage to his achilles. That it is just a matter of time before it snaps like with Durant. So the odds of the Colts getting a full year out of him was pretty slim in the first place.

From his perspective, he knows it's just a waiting game till he blows it out and has to spend another year in rehab.

Not sure the Colts are giving him a parting gift. They likely know the medical situation. And they can move on to Brissett without Luck being in the rear view mirror the whole season.

Racer

08-25-2019, 04:27 PM

I wonder if given the current climate around injuries he signed a release of some sort for ever attempting to pursue damages from Indy in exchange for keeping the money.

But maybe I'm just cynical

I think it's quite possible Irsay wants to paint Indianapolis as a positive place for players to come play so they avoid situations like John Elway refusing to play for them or Eli Manning refusing to play for the Chargers.

Also, if Luck happens to change his mind in the next couple of the years, I'm sure he'd be a lot more amicable to returning to the Colts if they didn't make him pay back a bunch of money.

RainMaker

08-25-2019, 04:38 PM

So maybe it's too soon for the conversation but based on body of work Luck has to be labeled a bust, right?

No. He was great when he was healthy. Probably more of a "what if?" type of guy. Like what if the Colts had competent management and training staff? What if they had given him a decent offensive line?

Chief Rum

08-25-2019, 09:16 PM

If it were my guy, I wouldn't boo at news he was retiring so young. I would be upset for my team, and frustrated with the player if I didn't really think his reason was "good enough." But I wouldn't boo.

That said, no way do I fault the few Colts' fans who booed. Luck basically just crushed their whole season, just two weeks before the season started. He could have had this thought process in February and given the team some notice. That way, they could have prepared for the possibility he would retire, have a fallback in place. But instead he waited and cost the Colts and their fans a whole additional season.

If anything, I would be surprised the boos weren't louder and longer.

Honolulu_Blue

08-25-2019, 09:32 PM

The two greatest players on the Lions in the last 30 years (at least) - Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson - retired early and I couldn’t imagine booing either.

Also, unlike the Colts, the Lions did go after both Barry’s and Johnson’s salary bonuses and got their money back. One of the many reasons the Detroit Lions are not a class organization.

Lathum

08-25-2019, 09:43 PM

In the current climate, I can't say I'm particularly shocked to see people being okay with a guy who just quit. That it's an under-30 who did it isn't a surprise either.

How dare he not continue to have his body be pounded for the enjoyment of others!

SirFozzie

08-26-2019, 12:19 AM

FMIA: Andrew Luck, the Colts and the Retirement That Rocked NFL’s World – ProFootballTalk (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/26/fmia-andrew-luck-the-colts-and-the-retirement-that-rocked-nfls-world/?cid=fmiatw)

The Colts knew about it on Monday, and Luck turned down being put on IR and earning 21 million this year.

BYU 14

08-26-2019, 08:11 AM

How dare he not continue to have his body be pounded for the enjoyment of others!

This. I just don't get how anyone can question Luck's toughness, let alone the desire to spend the rest of his life as healthy as possible. Sure, the timing sucks for his team, but as is posted in another thread, he could have earned another 20+ mil on IR this season and instead made what I think is a more noble (and courageous) move.

Football is a violent game. I didn't even play at the highest levels but at 56 have osteoarthritis in my neck and upper back, thanks to years of physical pounding. Short term memory lapse, which whether related or not, is not helped by the likely multiple concussions I played through (I had a game in high school I could not remember at all, not even the score)

Not to mention the bizarre outliers like a lacerated kidney and broken jaw. I finished games with both these (jaw in HS and kidney in JC) and in hindsight it makes me more stupid than tough. I am in pain every single day from the game and though I don't regret a minute of playing because what the sport has given me outweighs the bad. I just wish I had listened to my body more at times.

Andrew Luck is listening to his and I respect him for it. Meanwhile Doug Gottlieb calls him out, really? I would take a player with integrity like Andrew Luck any day over a teammate betraying thief like Gottlieb any day of the week! (Gottlieb by the way cried in court when appearing for stealing his teammates credit cards. Pretty 'millennial' in it's own right Doug.

tucker rocky

08-26-2019, 11:04 AM

The NFL is officially bugged.

And as a Colts fan:
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So we go into the season with Jacoby Brisset and Chad Kelly as our QBs? Any good prospects in next year's draft?
Colts Sucked for Luck, now It'll be Tank for Tua.
Brissett is just a placeholder at the position for now.

molson

08-26-2019, 11:17 AM

Meanwhile Doug Gottlieb calls him out, really? .

Don't worry, Gottlieb has now been murdered by Troy Aikman.

https://twitter.com/TroyAikman/status/1165809758806388736?s=20

Arles

08-26-2019, 11:24 AM

I don't see why people can't be understanding for Luck and how this is probably the right long term play for him, but also understanding that an entire fanbase (and season ticket holders) just found out they went from Super Bowl contenders to probably missing the playoffs because of an unforeseen retirement.

I think the booing was a bit much, but I think it's reasonable for some fans to be immediately disappointed giving the timing of the news breaking (during a game two weeks before the season). I bet we will see a lot of Colts fans dial it back during the week and show some appreciation for what Luck did.

JPhillips

08-26-2019, 12:16 PM

Colts Sucked for Luck, now It'll be Tank for Tua.
Brissett is just a placeholder at the position for now.

Even without Luck, there's no way they are the worst team in football.

albionmoonlight

08-26-2019, 12:26 PM

Even without Luck, there's no way they are the worst team in football.

Yup. They were a fringe Super Bowl contender with Luck.

I think that they are still 8-8 without him. It's a good team with a good coach and an average QB. This isn't Curtis Painter coming in.

NobodyHere

08-26-2019, 01:26 PM

Yup. They were a fringe Super Bowl contender with Luck.

I think that they are still 8-8 without him. It's a good team with a good coach and an average QB. This isn't Curtis Painter coming in.

Brissett was 4-11 his first time around, but he only had a couple weeks with the team.

Now he has had a chance to learn the system and has a better team around him. I'd say 7 or 8 wins about right. Maybe they'll make the playoffs if the division is weak.

BishopMVP

08-26-2019, 02:08 PM

Don't worry, Gottlieb has now been murdered by Troy Aikman.

Troy Aikman on Twitter: "Thatâ€™s total bullshit Doug. What qualifies you to decide how someone should live their life? So youâ€™re now the authority on what motivates Andrew Luck? And if his decisions donâ€™t fit into what you think is best for him then you rip him? Guess that keeps you employed on FS1. Niceâ€¦ https://t.co/w7cyXg641b" (https://twitter.com/TroyAikman/status/1165809758806388736?s=20)Doug Gottlieb gets "murdered" 6 times a year yet he's still around. He's a freaking cockroach.

RainMaker

08-26-2019, 07:22 PM

Where was this anger when Gronk "quit" at 30 years old?

NobodyHere

08-26-2019, 08:28 PM

Where was this anger when Gronk "quit" at 30 years old?

He didn't retire 2 weeks before the season started.

RainMaker

08-26-2019, 09:19 PM

He didn't retire 2 weeks before the season started.

Pretty sure his injury had something to do with it.

Also a bunch of guys will get cut and lose their paychecks 2 weeks before the season. Tough to feel sympathy for the team. It's the rules they chose to play by.

NobodyHere

08-26-2019, 09:23 PM

Also a bunch of guys will get cut and lose their paychecks 2 weeks before the season. Tough to feel sympathy for the team. It's the rules they chose to play by.

What the hell does that have to got to do with anything?

RainMaker

08-26-2019, 09:39 PM

What the hell does that have to got to do with anything?

Team can cut a guy when they want. But a player chooses to not play for a team and he's the bad guy? Seems you want it one way.

Chief Rum

08-26-2019, 10:42 PM

Team can cut a guy when they want. But a player chooses to not play for a team and he's the bad guy? Seems you want it one way.

Wow, you're really reaching.

There is no corollary to players on the cut list because their presence or absence on the roster does not materially affect the team's chances for success on the season. That's even putting aside the obvious apples-oranges case that you're comparing a player retiring on his own to players being cut by the team.

The reports of Gronk srrongly considering retiring were out there even before he played in the Super Bowl. The Pats were well aware to prepare for him not being on the roster in 2019, and sure enough they went and got other TEs in the offseason.

This is an opportunity the Colts did not receive.

BishopMVP

08-26-2019, 11:22 PM

The reports of Gronk srrongly considering retiring were out there even before he played in the Super Bowl. The Pats were well aware to prepare for him not being on the roster in 2019, and sure enough they went and got other TEs in the offseason.

This is an opportunity the Colts did not receive.He didn't decide his heart wasn't in it after playing so far. He was rehabbing an(other) injury, it wasn't going well, and he decided he'd rather retire than go on IR & try to play in 2020. I don't think the Colts were blindsided by it, and as long as he was honest and giving a good faith effort about trying to get back it's a shitty situation, but not much different than if a starting QB goes down to injury in the preseason (or early in the season I guess).

SirFozzie

08-26-2019, 11:33 PM

hell, I saw a joke out there that "the TRUE american way would've been to half ass it, collect $20 odd million on IR, THEN Retire after the season".

I mean, the Colts offered him just that, to be put on IR (possibly designated to return), but he figured to break the injury-rehab-injury-rehab cycle once and for all.

illinifan999

08-27-2019, 12:01 AM

Kodos

08-27-2019, 06:33 AM

Your job probably doesn’t involve some of the best athletes in the country trying to ram into you with great force repeatedly.

albionmoonlight

08-27-2019, 07:16 AM

Your job probably doesn’t involve some of the best athletes in the country trying to ram into you with great force repeatedly.

I take a step back and think about how weird it is sometimes.

Can you think about what would happen if a 250 pound very athletic man picked you up and threw you into the ground as hard as he could?

That would be a defining moment of your life. You'd think about it daily. You'd tell stories about it.

For an NFL quarterback, it happens often enough to be considered common.

What a strange, strange job.

BYU 14

08-27-2019, 09:14 AM

I imagine most people are angry because they get paid 40k a year and have to suck it up and return to work injury after injury for 40k a year. Pay me $1 million a year and I can live through injury-rehab-injury-rehab pretty freaking easily.

Because accountants are constantly getting concussions, separated shoulders and broken femurs.

Pretty big difference between these and carpal tunnel syndrome.

RendeR

08-28-2019, 02:51 AM

I take a step back and think about how weird it is sometimes.

Can you think about what would happen if a 250 pound very athletic man picked you up and threw you into the ground as hard as he could?

That would be a defining moment of your life. You'd think about it daily. You'd tell stories about it.

For an NFL quarterback, it happens often enough to be considered common.

What a strange, strange job.

I can tell you this is exactly true.

I was in the Navy and we had stopped in I believe it was Naniamo BC. One of our group decided to pick a fight with a mid-sized (6 foot 300+lbs) Samoan gentlemen.

Of course we had to try and defend him, when his larger friends joined in....

I'm a big guy...In the service I was rock hard built at 6-2 and 225.

this Samoan man picked me up bu the shoulder and thigh and THREW me. Across a pool table and into a wall. There was no arc, I went straight across to the wall.

I've never been quite so stunned in my life.

Dude didn't even grunt, it was like I was a wiffle ball. I lay there on the floor in the debris trying to decide if I was man enough to get back up.

So yes, I can swear to you it IS a life changing event and you WILL tell the story many times over

CU Tiger

08-28-2019, 10:41 AM

Because accountants are constantly getting concussions, separated shoulders and broken femurs.

Pretty big difference between these and carpal tunnel syndrome.

Broken Femur:Carpal Tunnel as $60,000,000:$85k

Radii

08-28-2019, 01:34 PM

Pay me $1 million a year and I can live through injury-rehab-injury-rehab pretty freaking easily.

And die a decade or more younger than you might otherwise, after the last decade or two of your life is utterly miserable due to constant debilitating pain, possibly with severe memory issues and other loss of mental faculties that have led to more than a couple suicides.

Not saying that some won't knowingly take that trade, some certainly would anyway. Just calling someone a pussy because they won't is absurd.

BYU 14

08-28-2019, 01:52 PM

Broken Femur:Carpal Tunnel as $60,000,000:$85k

Point being you don't walk into your office job run into a 270 pound secretary that runs a 4.5 40 and squats almost 600 pounds trying to take your head off. So the comparison of a pro athlete to Johnny 9 to 5 guy was ridiculous.

BishopMVP

08-28-2019, 05:56 PM

As is the idea that "a million dollars" or 20 matters as much to someone who already has 100+ in the bank. (And probably isn't dumb enough to blow it all like many ex-pro athletes.)

Fidatelo

08-29-2019, 06:09 AM

OFFICIAL - Terry Tate Office Linebacker "Superbowl Spot" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg5cdZ-Fnpc)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kg5cdZ-Fnpc" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BYU 14

08-29-2019, 03:02 PM

Touche :D

GrantDawg

08-29-2019, 04:24 PM

My opinion: Call him a pussy all you want. He still has money than you will ever have, and he never has to work another day in his life. If he wants to leave while he still can walk under own power, that is his call and more power to him.

cartman

08-29-2019, 04:46 PM

stevew

08-30-2019, 03:21 AM

BishopMVP

08-30-2019, 02:06 PM

Celebration fouls now enforced on the PAT is an interesting change. They can be enforced on either the PAT or kickoff but why would anyone care about the kickoff?

Also the Dolphins trading a stud LT for a DE(and Clowney is really great, too) is just classic LoLPhinsAgreed it'd be dumb, but is there anything saying the Dolphins are actually considering trading Tunsil for him? He's older and idk the Redskins DL depth chart, but if the Texans want a stud LT I wonder if something could be worked out around Trent Williams & a 3rd/4th round pick.

Celebration on the PAT's make more sense now that it pushes it to a 50 yard+ kick, but backing it up 15 yards might also give a chance at a return, at least in poorer weather conditions. I'm still waiting for a team on the flipside (with a kickoff from the 50) to actually go for an onside kick instead of just booting it through the endzone & letting the other team start on the 25. A 10% chance at a recovery would seem worth the 12-15 yard difference.

albionmoonlight

08-30-2019, 02:12 PM

Agreed it'd be dumb, but is there anything saying the Dolphins are actually considering trading Tunsil for him? He's older and idk the Redskins DL depth chart, but if the Texans want a stud LT I wonder if something could be worked out around Trent Williams & a 3rd/4th round pick.

Celebration on the PAT's make more sense now that it pushes it to a 50 yard+ kick, but backing it up 15 yards might also give a chance at a return, at least in poorer weather conditions. I'm still waiting for a team on the flipside (with a kickoff from the 50) to actually go for an onside kick instead of just booting it through the endzone & letting the other team start on the 25. A 10% chance at a recovery would seem worth the 12-15 yard difference.

I've wondered why teams kicking off from the 50 don't train for kicking a sky-high kick that comes down around the 5. Seems more likely than not that that would result in the return team pinned inside its 25.

BishopMVP

08-30-2019, 02:21 PM

I've wondered why teams kicking off from the 50 don't train for kicking a sky-high kick that comes down around the 5. Seems more likely than not that that would result in the return team pinned inside its 25.It seems really hard to do that off a tee, and I also thought there were rules about a fair catch inside the 20(25) on kickoffs being moved up to that spot but maybe that was a HS/college rule. Ping: DrSak if he's around!

BishopMVP

08-31-2019, 12:53 PM

College definitely allows you to fair catch kickoffs & get it at the 25 - just saw FSU do it!

Clowney to the Seahawks for a 3rd, Barkevious Mingo (sucks) and some 2nd year edge player who sounds like he might be good going forward.

Atocep

08-31-2019, 01:02 PM

Clowney to the Seahawks for a 3rd, Barkevious Mingo (sucks) and some 2nd year edge player who sounds like he might be good going forward.

An odd trade. Mingo and Martin aren't going to get the Texans to the Super Bowl so I don't get why the Texans didn't just sit on Clowney until someone stepped up with a reasonable offer or just wait him out into next offseason, franchise again, and trade with a bit more leverage.

This is essentially giving away a top 5 edge guy.

bhlloy

08-31-2019, 01:31 PM

If you think Mingo and Martin are basically backup players (they are) then the Texans just valued Clowney the same as Duke Johnson. Madness.

BishopMVP

08-31-2019, 03:15 PM

An odd trade. Mingo and Martin aren't going to get the Texans to the Super Bowl so I don't get why the Texans didn't just sit on Clowney until someone stepped up with a reasonable offer or just wait him out into next offseason, franchise again, and trade with a bit more leverage.

This is essentially giving away a top 5 edge guy.
Texans FO structure has been a mess since their illegal and failed attempt to hire Caserio from the Patriots. Unless they really like Martin this reeks of a football coach saying I need guys who can help me now instead of having anyone step in and say the short term move is dumb. But Bill O'Brien is not Bill Belichick, and Jadeveon Clowney is not Jamie Collins... (And at least we got 1sts for Richard Seymour/Chandler Jones)

BishopMVP

08-31-2019, 05:08 PM

Tunsil (and Stills) to the Texans for 2 1st's & a 2nd. I like that return for Miami better than Clowney, but not sure giving up a young stud LT is the way to kick off a rebuild.

QuikSand

08-31-2019, 05:18 PM

Miami going as close to full "Empty Cupboard" as any NFL team I can remember. Guessing they see Tunsil as too risky or PITA to be worth a huge new contract, so get value while you can, and who cares about this year anyway when you're just tanking for Tua?

Atocep

08-31-2019, 05:20 PM

Tunsil (and Stills) to the Texans for 2 1st's & a 2nd. I like that return for Miami better than Clowney, but not sure giving up a young stud LT is the way to kick off a rebuild.

How in the hell do you make a trade that gives that much for Tunsil on the same day you got nothing for Clowney?

QuikSand

08-31-2019, 05:35 PM

https://i.ibb.co/pdLVn1q/image.png

:/ Hey my game's busted.

RendeR

08-31-2019, 05:43 PM

Texans, finding a way to destroy a quality core of a team one trade at a time....

sabotai

08-31-2019, 06:38 PM

How in the hell do you make a trade that gives that much for Tunsil on the same day you got nothing for Clowney?

I think Clowney is playing on the franchise tag, so the Seahawks are only getting him (guaranteed) for one season, and they can't (so I've read, might not be accurate) negotiate a long term deal. So basically Seattle is renting Clowney for one season to make a push for the Super Bowl and hoping that he'll give them priority during FA next off season. No one is going to give up much, even for an elite player, if they're only getting him for one season.

Atocep

08-31-2019, 06:56 PM

I think Clowney is playing on the franchise tag, so the Seahawks are only getting him (guaranteed) for one season, and they can't (so I've read, might not be accurate) negotiate a long term deal. So basically Seattle is renting Clowney for one season to make a push for the Super Bowl and hoping that he'll give them priority during FA next off season. No one is going to give up much, even for an elite player, if they're only getting him for one season.

Which is exactly why you let him sit out the year, franchise him again, and trade him with more leverage next offseason.

There's absolutely no reason to trade a top 5 edge for that return.

JPhillips

09-01-2019, 02:04 PM

We shouldn't forget to mock the Vikings for using a 5th rounder to trade for a kicker and then cutting him to get to 53.

stevew

09-01-2019, 02:43 PM

Texans and Seahawks are both splitting Clowney’s contract

Atocep

09-01-2019, 03:46 PM

Texans and Seahawks are both splitting Clowney’s contract

And if Seattle let's him walk in free agency they're likely getting a 3rd as compensation.

Basically the Texans decided the two linebackers they received are equal to 16 games of Clowney.

Vince, Pt. II

09-01-2019, 07:02 PM

We shouldn't forget to mock the Vikings for using a 5th rounder to trade for a kicker and then cutting him to get to 53.

+1

One of my old college roommates is a Vikings fan. This is the shit I love to hammer him about.

JPhillips

09-01-2019, 07:51 PM

lol

The Raiders now have 4 QBs on their 53.

BishopMVP

09-02-2019, 12:29 AM

lol

The Raiders now have 4 QBs on their 53.
If they want to take Kizer over Glennon/Peterman as a developmental QB cool. If they still have 4 next weekend...

QuikSand

09-03-2019, 09:20 AM

Peterman to IR, so that stash seems fine. It is hilarious to see Gruden just collecting ragtag guys at QB who showed something in college or at th combine like he's building an entire pitching staff.

albionmoonlight

09-03-2019, 11:14 AM

Strong rumors of Zeke & Cowboys agreeing on 6 yr/$90 million contract to be signed today.

Extremely likely that the last three years of that deal are fake money, so we'll need to see what the actual contract is when the numbers come out.

I'm bullish on the Cowboys this season.

albionmoonlight

09-03-2019, 12:04 PM

jbergey22

09-03-2019, 01:05 PM

Just so I can record my wrongness:

AFC EAST: Pats
AFC NORTH: Ravens
AFC SOUTH: Colts
AFC WEST: Chiefs

AFC WILD CARDS: Jets, Texans

NFC SOUTH: Panthers
NFC EAST: Cowboys
NFC WEST: Seahawks
NFC NORTH: Packers

NFC WILD CARDS: Saints, Vikings

SUPER BOWL: Chiefs over Cowboys

FIRST OVERALL PICK: Jaguars (Dolphins were crazy to get Fitzpatrick as QB during a tank season).

Bold prediction with the Colts and to a lesser degree Jets. Nothing is ever to form in the NFL so it looks good to me.

On a side note. Teams need to be studying up on Brady/Brees and how they are able to sustain great performance into their 40s. If you can draft a QB and slot him in as a top 5 for 20+ years thats billions of dollars in added franchise value.

BishopMVP

09-03-2019, 01:36 PM

Just so I can record my wrongness:

AFC EAST: Pats
AFC NORTH: Ravens
AFC SOUTH: Colts
AFC WEST: Chiefs

AFC WILD CARDS: Jets, Texans

NFC SOUTH: Panthers
NFC EAST: Cowboys
NFC WEST: Seahawks
NFC NORTH: Packers

NFC WILD CARDS: Saints, Vikings

SUPER BOWL: Chiefs over Cowboys

FIRST OVERALL PICK: Jaguars (Dolphins were crazy to get Fitzpatrick as QB during a tank season).Can agree somewhat on Fitzmagic, but the Jaguars pick is very surprising to me. Good defense, bad division.

AFC EAST: Pats
AFC NORTH: Ravens
AFC SOUTH: Jaguars
AFC WEST: Chiefs

AFC WILD CARDS: Browns, Texans

NFC SOUTH: Saints
NFC EAST: Eagles
NFC WEST: Seahawks
NFC NORTH: Bears

NFC WILD CARDS: Rams, Vikings

SUPER BOWL: Patriots over Saints

FIRST OVERALL PICK: Redskins

Chief Rum

09-03-2019, 02:32 PM

albionmoonlight

09-03-2019, 02:39 PM

To me his boldest pick is having the Rams miss the playoffs.

Yup. Part of what makes the NFL great reality TV is that every season you get a truly shocking result.

This year's big shocker, I predict, will be the Rams missing the playoffs.

Super Bowl Hangover + Chaos Monkey = no playoffs.

Atocep

09-03-2019, 02:40 PM

To me his boldest pick is having the Rams miss the playoffs.

Saints, Bears, Eagles are current NFC Super Bowl favorites. The Rams are next. 3 of those 4 missing the playoffs would be a crazy season.

stevew

09-03-2019, 02:45 PM

Brisket getting a 2 year 30M contract seems like a good recovery move by the Colts. No need to go into the offseason with franchise tag drama.

albionmoonlight

09-03-2019, 02:45 PM

Bold prediction with the Colts and to a lesser degree Jets. Nothing is ever to form in the NFL so it looks good to me.

On a side note. Teams need to be studying up on Brady/Brees and how they are able to sustain great performance into their 40s. If you can draft a QB and slot him in as a top 5 for 20+ years thats billions of dollars in added franchise value.

Brady is famously a health/workout freak.

Brees is one of those ultra clean cut guys who just seems to sincerely and honestly be happy for all his teammates going out for beers and burgers and then the club, but he's just going to have a lowfat yogurt, read the Bible with his wife, and go to bed early tonight.

bhlloy

09-03-2019, 02:58 PM

What's the over/under for the Dolphins win total with that roster now they've basically tried to jettison their best players?

AlexB

09-03-2019, 03:23 PM

What's the over/under for the Dolphins win total with that roster now they've basically tried to jettison their best players?

I don’t think we are terrible throughout, but the OL is scary bad, Fitzmagic is not the solution, and the DL & LB are ‘untested’ shall we say.

So that translates into not being able to stop the run, and likely not being able to move the ball.

In retrospect, it’s actually a very clever way of tanking, as fixing the OL over a couple of seasons, getting a franchise QB and then bolstering the defensive front 7 could mean in 2-3 years we’re a really good team.

But we seem to be much better at tanking than we have been at building over the last 20 years, so whether it quite pans out like that is debatable :D

My guess is 2, maybe 3 wins?

JPhillips

09-03-2019, 04:06 PM

The Bengals are trying and I think their O-line is even worse than the Dolphins.

RendeR

09-04-2019, 12:41 AM

The O-line is definitely going to be a turning point for the offense, I'm more worried about the utter lack of any quality at LB

bhlloy

09-04-2019, 01:13 AM

I don’t think we are terrible throughout, but the OL is scary bad, Fitzmagic is not the solution, and the DL & LB are ‘untested’ shall we say.

So that translates into not being able to stop the run, and likely not being able to move the ball.

In retrospect, it’s actually a very clever way of tanking, as fixing the OL over a couple of seasons, getting a franchise QB and then bolstering the defensive front 7 could mean in 2-3 years we’re a really good team.

But we seem to be much better at tanking than we have been at building over the last 20 years, so whether it quite pans out like that is debatable :D

My guess is 2, maybe 3 wins?

What part of fixing the OL involves trading a young franchise LT? I mean with the picks you got for Tunsil you have maybe a 30% chance of hitting a player as good, being generous?

AlexB

09-04-2019, 02:06 AM

My guess is keeping him is too much of a risk that they might not be worst of the 32? You know the empty cupboard rules!

Edit to add: just in case not obvious, no, i don’t quite get this one.

Chief Rum

09-04-2019, 04:39 AM

Yup. Part of what makes the NFL great reality TV is that every season you get a truly shocking result.

This year's big shocker, I predict, will be the Rams missing the playoffs.

Super Bowl Hangover + Chaos Monkey = no playoffs.

Missing the reference. What's the Chaos Monkey?

It could certainly happen and I, of course, am biased, but short of some major injury issues (conceivable) I don't see it happening.

The offense should be better. Goff a year better, Cooks-Woods-Kupp all back and healthy, Gurley may have the knee drama but they addressed that by drafting Henderson. And McVay is like a mad genius. The line has one major hole to fill, as they lost Saffold, but replacing Sullivan at C is a step up (he was not good).

On D, they lost major players on all three levels in Suh, Barron and Joyner, but they still have All-Universe Donald, Fowler, Brockers, Littleon, Peters, Talib and Johnson, and they added Weddle and Matthews as solid vet depth. That is still a really good D, with a very strong DC in Phillips.

We'll see, but I see them as plenty capable of not only getting back to the playoffs but back to the Super Bowl again.

albionmoonlight

09-04-2019, 06:59 AM

Chief Rum

09-04-2019, 08:06 AM

Chaos Monkey is just my general term for random unexpected shit happening.

I think that Seattle and Carolina will each be really good this year and win their division.

I think that both the Saints and Rams will have a hangover season. I put the Saints in as a WC, but that was as much of a homer pick as anything. Could have been the Rams just as easily. (I don't trust Wentz's health, or it could have been the Eagles, too).

And, yeah, the Rams could easily go 13-3 and win the Super Bowl for all the reasons you stated. But this is the NFL. There's always a team expected to finish at the bottom of its division who makes the playoffs and a team expected to win its division who misses the playoffs.

Bill Belichick wins the AFC East, and everything else is up for grabs.

Hard to argue with your logic hehe.

I think the Saints will be right back there too. A little regression but not much.

My pick for the drop is the Bears. They got by on great D, but that D took some hits this offseason. So I expect the D to drop back from phenomenal to just very good, forcing the team to turn to Trubisky more to win for them. And they will discover he is not that QB. More Kirk Cousins than Drew Brees.

Warhammer

09-04-2019, 08:12 AM

Missing the reference. What's the Chaos Monkey?

It could certainly happen and I, of course, am biased, but short of some major injury issues (conceivable) I don't see it happening.

The offense should be better. Goff a year better, Cooks-Woods-Kupp all back and healthy, Gurley may have the knee drama but they addressed that by drafting Henderson. And McVay is like a mad genius. The line has one major hole to fill, as they lost Saffold, but replacing Sullivan at C is a step up (he was not good).

On D, they lost major players on all three levels in Suh, Barron and Joyner, but they still have All-Universe Donald, Fowler, Brockers, Littleon, Peters, Talib and Johnson, and they added Weddle and Matthews as solid vet depth. That is still a really good D, with a very strong DC in Phillips.

We'll see, but I see them as plenty capable of not only getting back to the playoffs but back to the Super Bowl again.

The defense will be upgraded. Rapp and Weddle are upgrades over Joyner last year (Joyner the year before is another question).

The offense will be all about the offensive line. If they give Goff time, the offense will be fine. Reynolds got major playing time and contributed last year, this is a plus, because the Rams are now 4 deep at WR. A Kupp injury this year will not be as bad as last year (will still hurt since he is Goff's security blanket). Sullivan was replacement level last year. Unless Allen completely craps the bed, that should, at least, be a minor upgrade. Noteboom will not play at the same level as Saffold last year, but he is solid. Whitworth's play the last few years has been otherworldly, there will likely be some regression, but they should be fine.

That said, they will still struggle against teams that can pressure the QB without having to blitz. So teams like the Bears, Eagles, and Pats will give them trouble, but I have faith that McVay will have some new wrinkles in the offense to counter that.

albionmoonlight

09-04-2019, 09:47 AM

I'm not even 100% sure what Antonio Brown is trying to convey here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Antonio Brown posts his displeasure with fines from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> <a href="https://t.co/0OMhdwFu7K">pic.twitter.com/0OMhdwFu7K</a></p>— Vic Tafur (@VicTafur) <a href="https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/1169255253553737733?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Warhammer

09-04-2019, 10:02 AM

NobodyHere

09-04-2019, 10:08 AM

Well we apparently all have to pay for something.

Does he accept MasterCard?

JonInMiddleGA

09-04-2019, 10:22 AM

I'm not even 100% sure what Antonio Brown is trying to convey here

Seems likely that neither is Antonio.

cartman

09-04-2019, 10:23 AM

The greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

BishopMVP

09-04-2019, 12:23 PM

Brady is famously a health/workout freak.

Brees is one of those ultra clean cut guys who just seems to sincerely and honestly be happy for all his teammates going out for beers and burgers and then the club, but he's just going to have a lowfat yogurt, read the Bible with his wife, and go to bed early tonight.Plus Brees was given up on by his first team, had another refuse to clear him medically in FA, and plenty of outsiders(/Boston media) have wanted Brady out the door for a decade plus. Anyone in their right mind would've taken Andrew Luck long term over either 5 years ago. They have good support systems around them & the character/work ethic that leads to long term success, but it's luck that both are still good 20 years after being drafted.

AlexB

09-04-2019, 04:45 PM

What's the over/under for the Dolphins win total with that roster now they've basically tried to jettison their best players?

AFC win-total projections: Patriots No. 1, Texans atop division - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001047884/article/afc-wintotal-projections-patriots-no-1-texans-atop-division)

Miami Dolphins: 3.6 wins
Ceiling: 4.2
Floor: 2.4

Efficiency and versatility at the safety position has increased in value as passing on first down and tight end and running back pass catching has increased. Minkah Fitzpatrick excelled in a number of roles as a rookie and shows great potential for developing into one of the league's best at defending slot pass catchers. His versatility will be one of the building blocks for the Dolphins long-term.

Lathum

09-05-2019, 11:55 AM

Raiders reportedly 'planning to suspend' Antonio Brown after incident between WR and GM Mike Mayock - CBSSports.com (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-planning-to-suspend-antonio-brown-after-incident-between-wr-and-gm-mike-mayock/amp/)

Who would have predicted this?

kingfc22

09-05-2019, 11:55 AM

Just LOL at the Raiders and AB

NobodyHere

09-05-2019, 11:59 AM

Raiders are looking good in pre-season

bhlloy

09-05-2019, 12:01 PM

Where on earth did I leave that popcorn emoji?

molson

09-05-2019, 12:09 PM

Raiders (paraphrasing): "Hey, you're supposed to come to work and stuff, we're paying you."

Anotnio Brown (exact quote): "When your own team want to hate but there's no stopping now devil is a lie. Everyone go to pay this year so we clear"

Ah, OK. I can see both sides of this, they both make great points.

JonInMiddleGA

09-05-2019, 12:20 PM

Where on earth did I leave that popcorn emoji?

Check that new snacks bowl on the table.

You know, the one that looks a lot like an old football helmet.

BishopMVP

09-05-2019, 01:07 PM

They'll give in and Brown will win. Just like he did in Pittsburgh, just like he did with the contract, just like he knows he will here.

bhlloy

09-05-2019, 01:36 PM

They'll give in and Brown will win. Just like he did in Pittsburgh, just like he did with the contract, just like he knows he will here.

I dunno. For a guy like Mayock, this is his first real test about showing he can be a GM and run a football team rather than be a pundit, and Gruden probably isn't the right guy to fuck with. I think there's a very solid chance they will go after his bonus and just walk away at this point.

Arles

09-05-2019, 01:45 PM

They'll give in and Brown will win. Just like he did in Pittsburgh, just like he did with the contract, just like he knows he will here.
The difference is they will be lucky to win 5 games (whereas Pitt was always trying to win a Super Bowl), Gruden and Mayock have a ton of job security and the whole organization is in a holding pattern until Vegas. I could see them holding a strong line with AB this season.

albionmoonlight

09-05-2019, 03:05 PM

The line has to be "Show up and practice and play or we will take away every dollar that we are allowed to take away (including recouping bonus) under the CBA."

At this point, I think that the fans would be behind the team just getting rid of AB and getting the cap relief.

Chief Rum

09-05-2019, 03:58 PM

GrantDawg

09-05-2019, 04:37 PM

I might keep him under contract and suspended myself. Screw him. He can wise up his act and come prepared to play, or he can sit on his ass on suspension with no money and no legal way to play for another team until the end of his contract.

I would guess they would not be allowed to suspend him more than a game or two. He will win a grievance for a suspension over that.

GrantDawg

09-05-2019, 04:42 PM

albionmoonlight

09-05-2019, 05:17 PM

BTW, he actually hasn't gotten paid a dime yet. Antonio Brown may end up getting no payment at all from the Raiders – ProFootballTalk (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/antonio-brown-may-end-up-getting-no-payment-at-all-from-the-raiders/)

Woah. The signing bonus was only $1,000,000? And he actually had to do things to earn it?

I blame the agent for that. He had to know how crazy AB was. You've got to get that money up front.

Carman Bulldog

09-05-2019, 06:03 PM

So how long until Antonio Brown is a Patriot?

molson

09-05-2019, 06:51 PM

NFL Fans Already Worried Antonio Brown Is Going To Land With Patriots | New England Patriots | NESN.com (https://nesn.com/2019/09/nfl-fans-already-worried-antonio-brown-is-going-to-land-with-patriots/)

It seems obvious

Unless he's just too far gone mentally.

EagleFan

09-05-2019, 07:18 PM

Sorry, but that anthem singer looked and sounded extremely pretentious and pompous.

EagleFan

09-05-2019, 07:23 PM

Greatest team in NFL history?

bhlloy

09-05-2019, 07:38 PM

Bears defense looks scary already, although the Packers seem to have a bit of a questionable blocking scheme as well right now

tarcone

09-05-2019, 08:03 PM

Did you see the HULU commercial? Pretty risque in todays environment

Coffee Warlord

09-05-2019, 08:33 PM

Snooooooore.

Coffee Warlord

09-05-2019, 08:48 PM

Trubisky still doing what I saw a lot of him doing last year - lock in on one receiver, and ignore everyone else.

EagleFan

09-05-2019, 10:28 PM

Is Trubisky officially a bust yet?

Chief Rum

09-05-2019, 10:30 PM

Super Bowl favorites eh?

Thomkal

09-05-2019, 10:35 PM

wow what a prelude to an exciting NFL season :)

bhlloy

09-05-2019, 10:38 PM

Some serious rule emphases coming to help offenses after that snooze fest. They might just start calling defensive holding on every pass.

BishopMVP

09-05-2019, 10:44 PM

It's been sloppy football early in every season recently.

I understand why Cohen will still split touches with him, but I like the parts of the Bears offense that involved David Montgomery more than the parts that focused on Mike Davis & Cordarrelle Patterson.

Coffee Warlord

09-05-2019, 11:14 PM

Montgomery looked pretty strong in limited action. Trubisky just couldn't find an open receiver to save his soul.

jbergey22

09-05-2019, 11:19 PM

The Bears were just hopeless on offense. I think Nagy can take a lot of credit for that with his predictable play calling and not knowing how to attack the Packers.

Atocep

09-05-2019, 11:20 PM

Montgomery looked pretty strong in limited action. Trubisky just couldn't find an open receiver to save his soul.

Trubisky looked far better and more consistent than last season. He had 2 bad throws, but his receivers were doing him no favors. Overall I felt he did his job.

I already hate seeing Patterson on the field. Montgomery and Davis both looked solid. Cohen not so much.

The Oline should be better and needs to play better.

Atocep

09-05-2019, 11:22 PM

The Bears were just hopeless on offense. I think Nagy can take a lot of credit for that with his predictable play calling and not knowing how to attack the Packers.

I'm hoping this can be chalked up to the starters not really playing at all during the preseason.

jbergey22

09-05-2019, 11:23 PM

I already hate seeing Patterson on the field.

Gabriel is basically the same player with a lot better hands on offense. As a kick returner you will love Patterson however. You also have Cohen taking them little flat screen passes. Not sure how he plans to keep 3 players involved that basically get their yardage the same way. Did Burton even play tonight?

RainMaker

09-05-2019, 11:41 PM

Same Bears team. Defense is real good and offense is bad. Trubisky is brutally incompetent. I know Chicago fans were hoping for a Super Bowl run, but you just can't do it with a QB that bad. Should have made a run at someone like Foles.

RainMaker

09-05-2019, 11:42 PM

Also how the fuck do you throw 45 times in a 10-3 game? Nagy showing yet again that Fangio was the reason that team was good.

Chief Rum

09-05-2019, 11:47 PM

Did Burton even play tonight?

He was inactive. Injury.

Arles

09-06-2019, 01:00 AM

Chief Rum

09-06-2019, 02:56 AM

Given how little people play in the preseason, having these huge division games in week one doesn’t make a lot of sense. You could tell neither QB had played in 9+ months. The first two weeks should be non-conference like most college games. But, I will take the win for GB. If this D is half decent and Rodgers can get a handle on LaFleur’s system, this team might be decent.

Or, ya know, the teams could play them at least a little bit in preseason to avoid that.

But I don't really think it was much of that. More the Bears D is really good, and the Bears QB is not really good.

BishopMVP

09-06-2019, 04:07 AM

Trubisky looked far better and more consistent than last season. He had 2 bad throws, but his receivers were doing him no favors. Overall I felt he did his job.

I already hate seeing Patterson on the field. Montgomery and Davis both looked solid. Cohen not so much.

The Oline should be better and needs to play better.Robinson had a couple nice catches up the sideline, Gabriel at least one good one on a comebacker, Montgomery the nice one on his only target. Trubisky was completely locking on one guy, and while he did a good job evading pressure he seemed like he was always missing open guys after the play broke down.

If I'm looking at the pbp correctly the last called Bears run was with 9:47 left in the 3rd & they called 33 straight pass plays after that despite never being down more than a score. (And the Bears DL actually getting even better pressure than the Packers imo.)

NobodyHere

09-06-2019, 07:02 AM

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Coffee Warlord

09-06-2019, 08:56 AM