FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2019

[Toddzilla]

Please vote in the thread below - discussion is always welcome.

You are voting for a player to be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You may vote for no more than 10 players. Players appearing on 75% or more ballots gain admission.

Please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.


Player Years on Ballot
Curt Schilling 8th
Roger Clemens 8th
Barry Bonds 8th
Larry Walker 10th
Omar Vizquel 3rd
Manny Ramirez 4th
Jeff Kent 7th
Scott Rolen 3rd
Billy Wagner 5th
Todd Helton 2nd
Gary Sheffield 6th
Andy Pettitte 2nd
Sammy Sosa 8th
Andruw Jones 3rd
Derek Jeter 1st
Bobby Abreu 1st
Jason Giambi 1st
Cliff Lee 1st
Rafael Furcal 1st
Eric Chavez 1st
Josh Beckett 1st
Brian Roberts 1st
Alfonso Soriano 1st
Carlos Pena 1st
Paul Konerko 1st
Chone Figgins 1st
Raul Ibanez 1st
Brad Penny 1st
Adam Dunn 1st
J.J. Putz 1st
Jose Valverde 1st
Heath Bell 1st

[Toddzilla]

My Ballot:

Clemens
Bonds
Walker
Ramirez
Rolen
Jeter
Sheffield
Abreu

I suppose there's an argument to be made about Kent and Konerko, but I don't have one.

[Toddzilla]

I'll compile voting and post results after the BBWAA results are posted.

Here's what happened the last time I did this in '16

FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016 - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=92051)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Alright, lemme see here


Schilling
Wagner
Jeter

[JonInMiddleGA]

I will say that it was interesting for me to go back to the 2016 link & review my voting then, and to discover that the player I lingered longest over last time was the player I lingered over longest this time too.

[cartman]

Here's mine:


Clemens
Bonds
Sosa
Jeter

[molson]

Jeter
Schilling

The HOF vote tracker thing they do every year with the ballots made public has Bonds and Clemens both getting in. And Schilling. I'm not sure if that's typical of the public ballots or if the voters who don't participate lean more heavily against those guys.

[BYU 14]

Mine


Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Ramirez

[Radii]

Schilling
Clemens
Bonds
Ramirez
Jeter

[tarcone]

Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

[Izulde]

Schilling
Jeter
Konerko (We'll always have 2005, Paulie)

[tarcone]

It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

Thanks., Votes on the way.

[tarcone]

1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Sammy Sosa
4. Curt Schilling
5. Derek Jeter
6. Scott Rolen
7. Billy Wagner
8. Larry Walker
9. Jeff Kent
10. Omar Vizquel

[tarcone]

Scott Rolen was a great 3B. A leader and a winner. His defense was outstanding and he was a very good hitter.

[bhlloy]

Rolen
Clemens
Bonds
Walker
Jeter

[Swaggs]

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.


Clemens
Bonds
Jeter
Walker
Manny Ramirez
Rolen

I’d say Schilling is the toughest for me. I originally had Manny on the bubble, too, but if Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez are in (and Harold Baines!), Manny belongs.

Looking at Schilling’s career trajectory, I barely passed on him because I think there’s a good chance he used PEDs (peaked in his mid-30s and wasn’t exactly a physical specimen). That lands him at the top of the Sosa, Palmiero, McGwire tier and below the Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod tier where they were special enough to be HOFers with or without and had otherworldly stats with it. Plus his winning percentage is sub-60% even though he played on a lot of really good teams (I know it’s an antiquated stat, but when you look at his contemporaries, it really sticks out to me).

Manny probably belongs. If Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez are HOFers, it’s hard to say he isn’t.

[Atocep]

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.




3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

[Swaggs]

3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

Looking over this: Third Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml)

Never noticed, but very true.

It is insane that Schmidt wasn’t a 100% on the first ballot when you consider that guys like Boggs, Jones, and Beltre were all still playing or yet to play. In 1995, you would have been comparing him to existing HOFers Eddie Matthews and Brooks Robinson and recently retired George Brett and late career Boggs. He got 96.5%. Old times sportswriters’ egos must have been something to behold.

Also, I feel like I need to mention that I hate the Phillies, despite advocating for Abreu, Rosen, and Schmidt. Don’t want to be misleading. :)

[Atocep]

Jeter
Schilling
Walker
Rolen

[Ramzavail]

Jeter
Clemens
Bonds
Schilling
Wagner
Rolen
Vizquel
Andruw Jones

[spleen1015]

Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Jeff Kent
Billy Wagner
Todd Helton
Derek Jeter

[DanGarion]

Walker
Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Sheffield
Jeter

[ntndeacon]

Larry Walker
Jeff Kent
Scott Rolen
Todd Helton
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Derek Jeter
Bobby Abreu
Alfonso Soriaro
Paul Konerko

[Ramzavail]

not much love for Billy Wagner.

[Sublime 2]

Bonds

Clemens

Jeter

Manny




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[Toddzilla]

Last Call

[revrew]

Clemens
Bonds
Sosa
Jeter
Wagner
Ramirez
Schilling

[stevew]

Clemens
Bonds
walker
Jeter
Pettitte
Sheffield
Manny
Helton
Wagner
Dunn

[kingfc22]

Jeter
Clemens
Bonds
Walker
Vizquel
Kent
Wagner
Schilling

[SirFozzie]

Jeter
Schilling
Bonds
Clemens
Ramirez
Pettitte

[cartman]

Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

[Lathum]

Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

Yankee fans are triggered.

I;m having fun trolling them on Twitter saying Piazza was better.

[Atocep]

Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

[JPhillips]

The guy who didn't vote for Jeter is a hero.

[Vince, Pt. II]

My list:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Curt Schilling
4. Larry Walker
5. Derek Jeter
6. Scott Rolen
7. Jeff Kent
8. Todd Helton
9. Omar Vizquel

[Vince, Pt. II]

Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

+1, though I thought he absolutely deserved it.

[Toddzilla]

The votes have been tabulated and the 2020 inductee to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame is...

Derek Jeter - 100%

Only Larry Walker is missing from the IRL list of inductees.

We had 20 voters, so an even 15 was required for enshrinement. Clemens missed it by 1, Bonds by 2. Walker wasn't even close (hosers).


Derek Jeter 20
Roger Clemens 14
Barry Bonds 13
Larry Walker 10
Curt Schilling 11
Manny Ramirez 9
Billy Wagner 7
Scott Rolen 7
Gary Sheffield 4
Jeff Kent 4
Todd Helton 3
Omar Vizquel 3
Sammy Sosa 3
Andruw Jones 2
Andy Pettitte 2
Bobby Abreu 2
Paul Konerko 2
Alfonso Soriano 1
Adam Dunn 1

Google sheet here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

[Toddzilla]

The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

[Lathum]

The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

I heard on the radio Willie Mays missed being unanimous by 22 votes. This is why people hate Yankee fans.

[spleen1015]

People think Mariano getting 100% changed the way people vote.

Someone said it last night. It doesn't matter. He got in.

Doesn't matter that Walker made it by 6 votes. He got in.

They should just tell us yes or no and not worry about percentages.

Glad Walker got in. He has a good story.

[molson]

It's just kind of funny that it was one person who kept him from being unanimous.

Probably someone who omitted the lock so he could vote for 10 other people. Gota make sure Cliff Lee gets a vote.