Wild After Prom Party

[Dr. Sak]

I have heard of some strange things going on at after prom parties but this one I think takes the cake. Mostly when I was in school kids would just get drunk and cause about $2000 worth of damage. Now in the age of the internet I guess breaking stuff is no longer cool. This happened at the High School I graduated from about 6 years ago. Where were these girls when I was in school. :p

Post Prom Party Busted (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/news/s_136972.html)

[Samdari]

High School Girls?

Group Sex Acts?

I can already tell I am getting nothing done at work today.

[BreizhManu]

don't know why but this one made me laugh :

Murphy said his understanding is that the videotape may depict underage drinking, narcotic use and group sex acts. It's something he would be willing to investigate if only someone would come forward with more information.

[Canadian Football Guy]

My god, what can you really say, if we were that young again we would have been right there but now taht we are older we are horrified (especially those of us with kids!)

[GoldenEagle]

This tape, did it ever circulate the internet? By the way happens and prom parties and post graudaution parties everywhere. When I am a father, my daughter will not be ateending events like these.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
When I am a father, my daughter will not be attending events like these.


I don't think I want my (potential) sons to attend parties like this, either.

[GoldenEagle]

Very true. Although lets be honest, females are more subjective to males, esp. where alcohol is concerned. I have known females who are stingy when they are sober, but when they start drinking, they are so loose. And they want to deny that they did stuff.

[Alan T]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Very true. Although lets be honest, females are more subjective to males, esp. where alcohol is concerned. I have known females who are stingy when they are sober, but when they start drinking, they are so loose. And they want to deny that they did stuff.

Mike TYson agrees.

[Easy Mac]

Quick "legal" question along similar lines:

My girlfriend's brother went to a non-school sanctioned after-prom party at a girls house. There were like 30 kids there, and many got trashed. Some girl who was there told the school about the party, and now the school has kicked my girl's brother out of NHS and off the student council.

Now, the school has a clause in the rules about cunducting yourself outside of the school in a way that represents that school. But can they legally do what they did. I mean, they got drunk at a non-school function, after school, away from school grounds. Do his parents have a right to sue the school, b/c this could hurt his chances of getting into GA Tech when he applies next year (b/c he can't put that stuff on his application).

To me it sounds like bullshit, but what do you guys think?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Quick "legal" question along similar lines:

My girlfriend's brother went to a non-school sanctioned after-prom party at a girls house. There were like 30 kids there, and many got trashed. Some girl who was there told the school about the party, and now the school has kicked my girl's brother out of NHS and off the student council.

Now, the school has a clause in the rules about cunducting yourself outside of the school in a way that represents that school. But can they legally do what they did. I mean, they got drunk at a non-school function, after school, away from school grounds. Do his parents have a right to sue the school, b/c this could hurt his chances of getting into GA Tech when he applies next year (b/c he can't put that stuff on his application).

To me it sounds like bullshit, but what do you guys think? Government School or Private School?

[Easy Mac]

Private, should it matter though?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Private, should it matter though? I sure think so. Most private schools have language (that all parents and students agree to by signing at registration) that specifically says you can be kicked out for certain off-campus behaviors. I know mine did, and there was a kid who was kicked out, parents threatened to sue, and the attorney told them they didn't have a case.

[scooper]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Private, should it matter though?

Yes, it matters. Private schools have every right to kick a kid out if they don't like his conduct, even if it was not a school sanctioned event. They also have much more lax restrictions on personal searches, drug testing and such. My guess is his best chance is a personal appeal through the school (begging) rather than a court action.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I sure think so. Most private schools have language (that all parents and students agree to by signing at registration) that specifically says you can be kicked out for certain off-campus behaviors. I know mine did, and there was a kid who was kicked out, parents threatened to sue, and the attorney told them they didn't have a case.

I would think the same - I'd take a private school's powers to be pretty broad as far as deciding it's enrollees is concerned.

Easy Mac, your girlfriend's brother's case seems somewhat similar to the powder-puff incident (BTW, I'd hate to be the host girl's parents right about now).

[Samdari]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Quick "legal" question along similar lines:

My girlfriend's brother went to a non-school sanctioned after-prom party at a girls house. There were like 30 kids there, and many got trashed. Some girl who was there told the school about the party, and now the school has kicked my girl's brother out of NHS and off the student council.

Now, the school has a clause in the rules about cunducting yourself outside of the school in a way that represents that school. But can they legally do what they did. I mean, they got drunk at a non-school function, after school, away from school grounds. Do his parents have a right to sue the school, b/c this could hurt his chances of getting into GA Tech when he applies next year (b/c he can't put that stuff on his application).

To me it sounds like bullshit, but what do you guys think?
Well, NHS is a no-brainer. If the school had not kicked him out of there, the organization would have. You have to sign stuff about being a good citizen when inducted. Committing crimes (underage drinking IS after all, against the law) would violate that.

In many districts these days, anyone participating in voluntary extracurriculars must sign something agreeing to a certain code of conduct before being allowed to participate. This would, of course, preclude drinking. I would not be surprised if your girl's bro signed such a document.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Samdari
In many districts these days, anyone participating in voluntary extracurriculars must sign something agreeing to a certain code of conduct before being allowed to participate. This would, of course, preclude drinking. I would not be surprised if your girl's bro signed such a document. ...and as I said, at a Private School, the odds are that there was a "Conduct Unbecoming" clause in the papers they signed when he registered. I'd say that it is HIGHLY likely that he could legally have been expelled from the school, not just kicked out of NHS.

[albionmoonlight]

The 14th Amendment provisions that prevent the state from depriving one of life, liberty, and property without due process of law do not apply to private schools.

A private school can do pretty much whatever it wants, as long as state or federal statute does not proscribe the behaviour (which is why they can't discriminate on the basis of race, etc.).

I doubt that there is a state statute that prevents private schools from kicking kids off of the student counsel.

Funny . . . . everyone always bitches about lawyers and lawsuits until they are wronged--and then the first thing they want to do is sue. (Note: I am not making a comment about Easy Mac or that kid's parents, but about people in general. Sorry if anyone is offended).

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by albionmoonlight

Funny . . . . everyone always bitches about lawyers and lawsuits until they are wronged--and then the first thing they want to do is sue. (Note: I am not making a comment about Easy Mac or that kid's parents, but about people in general. Sorry if anyone is offended).

I think the general populace would be more favorable towards lawyers if the lawyers (as a group) practiced more discretion in choosing which "wrongs" they attempted to right.

[sasquatch]

I wouldn't let him worry about being kicked out of NHS. I just finished my senior year, and NHS was one of the least rewarding experiences of my life. I don't know if it's like that at other schools. I also don't think it factors as much into college admissions as the organization would have you believe, so I wouldn't sweat it.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by sasquatch
I wouldn't let him worry about being kicked out of NHS. I just finished my senior year, and NHS was one of the least rewarding experiences of my life. I don't know if it's like that at other schools. I also don't think it factors as much into college admissions as the organization would have you believe, so I wouldn't sweat it. ...which brings up an interesting thought: he could withhold the fact that he was ever in NHS from his application, so they wouldn't find out he was booted, but I'd like to see the kid have the guts to keep it on there, and say he had the academic acumen to get in, but that he was kicked out for drinking, not poor academic performance. It would be EXTREMELY hypocritical for any college in America to deny admission to a kid for drinking...

[sooner333]

National Honor Society in my school was do 12 hours of community service signed off, get a sash, wear it when you graduate, and put it on your college application. That is about it. Nothing worthwhile. However, many of the people in NHS in my school are drinkers...go figure.

[sasquatch]

Originally posted by sooner333
National Honor Society in my school was do 12 hours of community service signed off, get a sash, wear it when you graduate, and put it on your college application. That is about it. Nothing worthwhile. However, many of the people in NHS in my school are drinkers...go figure.

This is exactly the way it was at my school as well. Including the drinking part.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by sasquatch
This is exactly the way it was at my school as well. Including the drinking part. Ours was a lot tougher than that. For starters, you had to be in the top 15% of non-members in your class (which meant that only 10 people could potentially get in from our class of 65 kids as Juniors, then some more would be eligible from among those that weren't already in as Seniors). I am pretty sure there was an SAT requirement as well (I think 1200), and a community service component.

[scooper]

Originally posted by sooner333
National Honor Society in my school was do 12 hours of community service signed off, get a sash, wear it when you graduate, and put it on your college application. That is about it. Nothing worthwhile. However, many of the people in NHS in my school are drinkers...go figure.

We had to do 40 hours of community service just to graduate. That's everybody, not NHS.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I think the general populace would be more favorable towards lawyers if the lawyers (as a group) practiced more discretion in choosing which "wrongs" they attempted to right.

If the client wants to bring the case, and it's arguable, why not file it for them? It's called customer service.

And there are sanctions that can be brought against lawyers for filing frivolous lawsuits, but you rarely see attorneys getting hit with them because there is usually some arguable authority to support the cases they bring.

Attorneys are merely the conduit for (sometimes) over-zealous and petty individuals. There will always be an attorney who will take a particular case, even if 100 others before him/her turn it down. It's just the way it is and will always be.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by SkyDog
It would be EXTREMELY hypocritical for any college in America to deny admission to a kid for drinking...
I am not sure I understand this. Every college in America that recieves public money, or has liability insurance (read: ALL) has strict policies against underage drinking. Many are even making actual attempts to try to eradicate it. I saw many changes in administrations' attitudes towards drinking in my 10 years of college.

[sooner333]

I think there was a GPA requirement for us, but we for sure didn't have community service requirement to graduate. That being said, I would have passed it, but it is not required.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Samdari
I am not sure I understand this. Every college in America that recieves public money, or has liability insurance (read: ALL) has strict policies against underage drinking. Many are even making actual attempts to try to eradicate it. I saw many changes in administrations' attitudes towards drinking in my 10 years of college. Oh, their POLICIES certainly say so, and it sounds great politically to SAY that they are making attempts to eradicate it, but I'd suggest riding through downtown Athens, GA on a Saturday night, for example. Most colleges turn a blind eye to it. If the kid performs in the classroom (or on the athletic fields), they don't give a rat's patootie whether he drinks or not. They only get involved when it comes time to save State U's image.

[Ksyrup]

You should check out my alma mater, Florida Southern. They used to send recently-graduated spies to local bars and check local motel registries to find out if any students were staying there with significant others. Admittedly, it was a church-affiliated school, but I'll say it anyway... Nazi bastards!

[Marmel]

Am I the only one who keeps reading the title of this thread as:

Wild Porn Party?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
You should check out my alma mater, Florida Southern. They used to send recently-graduated spies to local bars and check local motel registries to find out if any students were staying there with significant others. Admittedly, it was a church-affiliated school, but I'll say it anyway... Nazi bastards! Did students agree to policies that they wouldn't participate in such behaviors?

[Butter]

Did anybody else read this:

"We have absolutely nothing to go on down here,"

like this:

"We have absolutely nothing to go down on here,"

[Easy Mac]

the thing I don't like about the situation is that the girl who told the principal on them did it voluntarily, was drunk at the party, and did not get kicked out of anything. No one got arrested or would have been caught otherwise. I just don't see the fairness.

Oh, and I was kicked out of NHS for not doing the community service (it wasn't even helpful things like helping the needy, they asked me to buy a kid a comb one year?). I put it on my application, saying I was in NHS, b/c I was.

[DataKing]

Originally posted by Marmel
Am I the only one who keeps reading the title of this thread as:

Wild Porn Party?

Nope.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
I just don't see the fairness.Ahhhhhhhhhh....youth.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Did students agree to policies that they wouldn't participate in such behaviors?

You know, I don't recall having to sign anything. But, I am sure drinking was against the rules of the student conduct handbook. I just don't recall ever seeing anything about not being able to shack up with your girlfriend off-campus on the weekends.

Now, at the school I attended for 1 year before FSC, Presbyterian College, I do recall going through a ceremony where we signed something indicating that we would observe certain rules.

This was all before law school - I'll admit I didn't read the fine print! :)

FSC was ridiculous, though, It was my choice and I accept it - and hell, most of the time I wouldn't have been out drinking or having sex in my dorm room anyway - but just the idea that they were treating us like high schoolers left a bad taste in my mouth. No girl/boy dorm room visitation, everyone had to live on campus - we even had a hill that overlooked the lake where the girls sunbathed that we weren't allowed to be around when they were out there. We called it Beaver Hill. :p

Great school academically - I kicked butt. But socially, it was like being in a tortoise shell. I don't know if things have changed since I left - I graduated in 1993. The school was primarily funded by the family who started Publix Supermarkets. Lakeland is their home-base.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Oh, their POLICIES certainly say so, and it sounds great politically to SAY that they are making attempts to eradicate it, but I'd suggest riding through downtown Athens, GA on a Saturday night, for example. Most colleges turn a blind eye to it. If the kid performs in the classroom (or on the athletic fields), they don't give a rat's patootie whether he drinks or not. They only get involved when it comes time to save State U's image.
Well, what happens DOWNTOWN is completely irrelevant to the university. Is it on campus? What happens there is what the University should be responsible for, and insurance and legal concerns are forcing them to actually address the issue, in practice as well as paper policy. In fact, the reason that off campus drinking is on the rise is because the intsitutions themselves are making it hard on students who drink on campus while underage.

Or do you somehow think that the institutions should be held responsible for not removing students' desire to drink? Is it their fault that, while they are making it harder for their underage students to break the law, local businesses are not?

[Easy Mac]

Originally posted by Samdari
In fact, the reason that off campus drinking is on the rise is because the intsitutions themselves are making it hard on students who drink on campus while underage.

Man, not at my school. I had at least 23 parties in my apartment this year of 15 people or more... no cops at all. Of course, as we say, It's a dry campus as long as you don't spill anything.

[tucker342]

That's why you never let your kid go to a party in a hotel room after prom.

[ISiddiqui]

Damn I missed the legal stuff :(.

Oh well, they are right, the school can kick him out of NHS and the Student Council. Especially because they are private, but a public school could probably get away with it as well. Sad thing is that if a lawyer sued on those facts, people would hold it up as another reason why lawyers suck. Stop picking on my (future) profession! ;)

[cthomer5000]

was anybody else hoping this thread would contain an invitation to a wild post-prom party?


... me neither

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
This tape, did it ever circulate the internet? By the way happens and prom parties and post graudaution parties everywhere. When I am a father, my daughter will not be ateending events like these.

actually, when you are a father, your daughter will be attending events like these. You just wont know about it.

[JeffNights]

Umm...so anybody find out if its on Kaazaa yet?

: )

just kidding.....umm..well....

[Easy Mac]

nope

[sabotai]

"the thing I don't like about the situation is that the girl who told the principal on them did it voluntarily, was drunk at the party, and did not get kicked out of anything. No one got arrested or would have been caught otherwise. I just don't see the fairness."

The only thing I would suggest is for him to lie his ass off. Tell him to tell the school that he stopped by but did not stay or drink. Flat out lie, I'm sure, but considering it'll be his word against her's, he might be abe to appeal that way. Like you said, no charges were brought against him.

And then he could say that she was trashed and stripping. Since we're lying, we might as well try to punish the snitch. Fuckin bitch!

[Easy Mac]

Originally posted by sabotai
"the thing I don't like about the situation is that the girl who told the principal on them did it voluntarily, was drunk at the party, and did not get kicked out of anything. No one got arrested or would have been caught otherwise. I just don't see the fairness."

The only thing I would suggest is for him to lie his ass off. Tell him to tell the school that he stopped by but did not stay or drink. Flat out lie, I'm sure, but considering it'll be his word against her's, he might be abe to appeal that way. Like you said, no charges were brought against him.

And then he could say that she was trashed and stripping. Since we're lying, we might as well try to punish the snitch. Fuckin bitch!

actually, everyone was brought in individually to meet with the principal, and they all denied drinking. But they did not believe the kids.

[albionmoonlight]

ISiddiqui--

Any chance that you are going to Emory Law? I went to Emory undergrad.

[ACStrider]

Having both parents in private school education (one in administration) I've heard the whole "off-campus is none of the school's business" argument many times. There are several problems with that argument, some have been mentioned, some haven't.

The most obvious is that as a private school, no one is obligated to attend that school (privileged, not a right). They come by choice to a private institution and by doing so agree to their rules. If the rulebook says that inappropriate conduct outside of the property of the school is an expellable offense, then that is their option. The individual can decide if they want to attend a school with those rules or not. This has somewhat been covered by some of the other members.

The other major reason why behavior displayed outside of school property should be considered (public or private school if you ask me) is that often the targets of these behaviors are other students. There are three examples that immediately come to mind of real situations that my dad had to deal with. In one case there was a senior on campus who was a pimp. In his case we didn't find out about him until after he had graduated, but we also found out that he recruited several other girls at the school for his purposes. In another case there was a girl who was expelled who was a prostitute. In the third case it was uncovered that one kid was responsible for funneling drugs into the school.

In all circumstances the behaviors were acted out outside of school campus grounds but the effects were felt on campus.

[vex]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
the thing I don't like about the situation is that the girl who told the principal on them did it voluntarily, was drunk at the party, and did not get kicked out of anything. No one got arrested or would have been caught otherwise. I just don't see the fairness.

Oh, and I was kicked out of NHS for not doing the community service (it wasn't even helpful things like helping the needy, they asked me to buy a kid a comb one year?). I put it on my application, saying I was in NHS, b/c I was.


I was in NHS this year and I only had one B. The rest were a little below that:)

[bbor]

This is why i took 6 years to graduate from high school....the wild sex parties :D

[BishopMVP]

Fucking narcs. My town is full of them too.