FOF 8 Drafting - Master Class [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:05 AM

Okay, insomnia is a cruel mistress. But alas, I now have time to type some of this shit up. Draft also just wrapped up, so I will soon have the early eyes on these players...

So, here we go.

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes G Christopher Johnston (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73468) with the 1.4 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>74</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>289</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.4</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.0</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.90</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>39</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>34</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.48</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>104</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>-</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>41</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

So, nothing to see here, basically. Guy seems like an obvious immortal. I guess the biggest question might be whether even a 120/100 guard is worth a top-5 pick in any draft. That does seem like a fair question, right?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:09 AM

By the way, here's the roadmap for the Hanalei draft:

<table class="data" align="center"><tbody class="data"><tr class="heading"><td class="heading">Pick http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/images/arrow_up.gif (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=pick_id desc) </td> <td class="heading"> Team (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=team_name) </td> <td class="heading"> Team GM (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=team_owner) </td> <td class="heading">Change Team </td> <td class="heading"> Name (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=player_name) </td> <td class="heading"> Pos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=position_name) </td> <td class="heading"> School (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=player_school) </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 1 - 4 (4) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Christopher Johnston (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73468) </td> <td class="light" style=""> G </td> <td class="light" style=""> Louisiana - Lafayette </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 2 - 3 (35) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Gene Riley (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73745) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Memphis </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 2 - 8 (40) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Jason Small (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73744) </td> <td class="light" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Maryland </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 3 - 4 (68) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Nicholas Prescott (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73352) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> WR </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Central Florida </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 3 - 7 (71) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Bryson Burns (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73426) </td> <td class="light" style=""> C </td> <td class="light" style=""> Virginia Tech </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 3 (99) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Eduardo Crane (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73238) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> RB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Purdue </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 4 - 9 (105) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Kirk Fox (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73223) </td> <td class="light" style=""> RB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Syracuse </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 12 (108) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Wally Binkow (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73953) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> S </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Florida State </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 4 - 16 (112) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Ron Dunlap (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73273) </td> <td class="light" style=""> FB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Wisconsin </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 18 (114) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Tito Carr (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73290) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> TE </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Ohio State </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 5 - 4 (132) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Silas Parrish (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73962) </td> <td class="light" style=""> S </td> <td class="light" style=""> McNeese State </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 5 - 8 (136) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Bert Woodson (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73735) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Iowa State </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 5 - 9 (137) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Darius Rayburn (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73233) </td> <td class="light" style=""> RB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Minnesota - Duluth </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 6 - 3 (163) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Willie Chubb (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73555) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> T </td> <td class="dark" style=""> UCLA </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 7 - 4 (196) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Jamal Davison (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73858) </td> <td class="light" style=""> CB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Louisiana State</td></tr></tbody></table>

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:10 AM

...incidentally, NOT A MASTER CLASS PICK HERE:

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Chesapeake (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=29): QuikSand takes G Fred Burnett (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73486) with the 1.24 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>69<->98</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>61<->91</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#FFBDC6
"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>71</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>313</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>6.2</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.14</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>26</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.74</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>95</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>-</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>49</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:19 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes ILB Gene Riley (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73745) with the 2.3 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>37<->68</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Technique</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>40<->70</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>2<->32</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>54<->84</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>7<->38</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>65<->95</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>39<->69</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>51<->81</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>76</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>257</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.4</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.2</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.64</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>21</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.32</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>114</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>27</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>44

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Okay, again maybe you question the position choice (I don't) but past that there's not much to bicker with here, right? Combine beast, bar profile makes him look like he'll be a really serious pass rusher (WLB or DE). Note that the static bars are strong here - PR Str MAX, Bump and PHitt both solid.

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes ILB Jason Small (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73744) with the 2.8 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Technique</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>19<->49</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>39<->69</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>48<->78</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>22<->53</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>30<->60</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>63<->94</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>37<->68</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>74</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>250</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.5</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.3</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.86</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>25</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>28</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.44</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>110</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>32</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>40</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

...and now a more conventional LB. Again, combines all look solid, bars look solid, statics are max-meh-max. So, really nothing much to see here, solid pick but doesn't seem to reveal anything other than a conventional sort. (Admittedly, as a dumb drafter, I'm the guy who looks back at second round linebackers and sometimes notices "hey, my guy's bars look good but that pass rush strength isn't so hot... well, hope he works out anyway...")

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:21 AM

I hope y'all like the outcome: MalcPow got 8 additional draft picks. http://www.fof-ihof.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif
Get your notebooks ready to keep track on what he's doing back in action.

heh... didn't see this before I decided to post this thread, honest...

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:31 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes WR Nicholas Prescott (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73352) with the 3.4 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Getting Downfield</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>58<->87</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>5<->34</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->45</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Big-Play Receiving</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>47<->76</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Courage</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>17<->46</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Adjust to Ball</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>32<->61</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>46<->75</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>40<->69</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->45</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>69</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>192</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.8</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.0</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.41</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>22</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>11</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>6.87</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>126</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>55</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>19</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

ok hehe

So... I include the jape comment here because I think I understand it. There's been a pretty long-held view that in FOF, whether we like it or not, the "Route Running" bar/rating has always served as a sort of proxy for "low key this is really the guy's overall ability to play the receiver position entirely, so don't fall in love with guys who have ancillary ratings but low RR, they never work out to be as good as you hope." It would be nice to have a shorter nickname for that, by the way... sort of the way FOFC uses Rex and Otto, or (in other circumstances) Dola. I'll stew on that.

Anyway... what I think I see here is a guy who might well develop into that player. Maybe he's Jacoby Jones (from a few years back, has some productive seasons with the Ravens) - seemed to have all the tools, but ended up being a return man miscast when actually called upon to run a route tree. His GD/BPR split is upside down for the Ted Ginn comparison, but that's kinda there too. Probably not useless, but maybe he'll one day be a frustrating guy gathering 60 targets for 36 catches and 400 yards, despite being in the personnel screen fairly liberally as a WR2/WR3 swingman. But, if he posts a couple punt return TDs doing that, then... worth a 3rd still?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:35 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes C Bryson Burns (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73426) with the 3.7 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>59<->88</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>71<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>29<->58</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>77</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>298</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.7</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.04</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>14</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>38</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.74</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>92</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>-</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>6</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Okay, here's something of a curveball. I had this guy in my queue too (chem fit for me - but my OL is already super deep in this league, and I just spent my 1st at OG above).

So... the first three bars look great. Combines suggest it's really there, right? Nothing fishy there that I see, one way or the other.

So... 6% developed is a thing, usually. And the fairly low endurance... not a void, but, is that enough to worry about?

Basically, no quarrel here with him going in the 3rd... if he were 26% developed, he's a top-40 pick I think.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:41 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes RB Eduardo Crane (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73238) with the 4.3 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Breakaway Speed</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>8<->38</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Power Inside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>17<->47</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Hole Recognition</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>51<->81</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Elusiveness</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>5<->34</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Speed to Outside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>62<->92</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blitz Pickup</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>38<->67</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>35<->64</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Getting Downfield</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>21<->50</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>40<->70</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>21<->51</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>26<->56</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>44<->74</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>72</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>233</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.6</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.48</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>22</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.35</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>122</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>35</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>54</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Okay, now it's getting more interesting to me. I nearly picked this guy in the 3rd, brainfarted instead. But why does MP like him?

I don't claim to understand RBs. Those who do seem to really value te ratings in HoleRec, Endurance, and Breakaway. This guy is okay, but no standout there. I don't think MP is really a "this bar" guy, so what does he like overall here?

4 good combines, overall ratings profile looks fine... to me this seems like an unremarkable pick. My team is short at RB, this guy was my top-rated RB left, but I didn't see much difference between him and the next few, and that led me to make my other choice. How badly did I mess up, did I miss out on a serious contributor here?

Candidates for things I missed...MAX Power Inside, near max Speed to Outside? Are those bars tells for him being good under the surface?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:49 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes RB Kirk Fox (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73223) with the 4.9 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Breakaway Speed</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>23<->52</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Power Inside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>4<->34</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>7<->37</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Hole Recognition</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Elusiveness</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Speed to Outside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>2<->32</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blitz Pickup</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>49<->78</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Getting Downfield</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>34<->64</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>61<->91</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>69<->99</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>51<->81</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>71</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>218</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.4</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.7</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.74</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>24</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.35</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>116</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>19</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>41</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Right back at RB, and this seems like a weird split. MAX bar at HoleRec and very nearly at Endurance. Guessing that alone makes him worth a splash in round 4. Is there more to tell here than that? Combines seem meh, but I'm guessing everything there is at or above some magic "constraint" figures that would otherwise indicate the player was generated from a lower tier recipe in-game (the stuff that MP has shared more liberally with the FOFC community than anyone else).

Quick check... since I'm bothering to write a thread. At RB, the list of constraints I have handy says:

BJump 114 CHECK
Dash 4.65 XXXX

Agility 7.35 ON THE LINE

PosDrill 17 CHECK

So, the guy's breakaway speed bar is bad, and the combine there (dash) actually misses some breakpoint that at one tine was important. Still, is this just a downhill runner type who won't blow anyone away with speed but could still churn out 5ypc the hard way? Is he A.J. Dillon?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:52 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes S Wally Binkow (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73953) with the 4.12 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>2<->32</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>24<->54</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>42<->71</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>29<->59</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>29<->58</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>55<->85</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Interceptions</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>38<->68</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>28<->58</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>21<->51</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>69</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>199</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.2</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>3.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.52</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>34</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>19</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.30</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>95</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>49</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>30</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Okay, my first mystery pick. This guy looks, to me, much like the stiffs I'm used to drafting when I'm out of good options, take a dude like this mainly for chemistry, and watch him dissolve from 22/48 to 23/39 in the first preseason.

So, why is he worth taking here if you're a complete ace drafter?

4 blue combines and a decent PH rating? Is that all there is to it?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 02:58 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes FB Ron Dunlap (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73273) with the 4.16 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>23<->53</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>24<->54</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>28<->58</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Power Inside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>48<->78</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>38<->68</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Hole Recognition</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>27<->57</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blitz Pickup</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>23<->53</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>60<->90</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>25<->55</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>14<->44</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>49<->79</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>20<->50</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>72</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>247</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.5</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>3.6</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.78</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>24</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>21</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.43</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>105</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>23</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>48</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Okay, why this guy?

I see:
-not a single bad combine
-not a single zero bar/range in ratings

Is that it? Was he just the best FB available, and that was a need?

Okay...we'll put a pin here. If, as happens often, this seeming rando from MP's draft shows up on a list of "diaper dandies" or whatever BELCo calls them, and the he suddenly pops +12 in preseason and looms as a starting-caliber TE in waiting (or somesuch)... I will come back and look closely. I must be missing something, this guy looks really pedestrian to me.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:01 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes TE Tito Carr (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73290) with the 4.18 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->46</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>52<->82</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Getting Downfield</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>63<->93</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>30<->60</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>69<->99</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Big-Play Receiving</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>34<->64</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Courage</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>42<->72</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Adjust to Ball</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>36<->66</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->45</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>67<->97</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>75</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>241</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.1</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.4</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.66</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>31</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>16</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>115</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>44</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>47</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Ok, back to all good combines. Decent bar profile, but this guy's no standout in the statics: void in PRStr and medium in BPR.

Is a potential 50 in BPR enough of a tell to make a middling TE worth a mid round pick here? That's the best I've got on my glance.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:05 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes S Silas Parrish (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73962) with the 5.4 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>67<->97</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>18<->47</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>55<->85</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>69<->99</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Interceptions</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>1<->31</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>60<->89</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->46</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>67</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>191</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.2</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.61</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>19</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.13</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>99</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>30</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>45</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Okay, this seems more conventional. The pairing of MAX PunHit and strong bump seems to make this guy a good bet to make the active roster and maybe develop into a starter.

My guess? If this guy doesn't have voids, and instead has 20-50 ranges, in a couple spots he maybe is a top 75 pick?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:07 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes ILB Bert Woodson (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73735) with the 5.8 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>51<->81</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Technique</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>30<->60</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Rush Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>45<->74</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>31<->61</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>35<->65</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>60<->90</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>19<->49</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>44<->73</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>71</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>230</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.5</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.4</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.71</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>21</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>23</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.60</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>94</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>34</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>49</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Hmmm. No bad combines, bar profile with PunHit as the best-looking bar. What is this guy? What am I missing?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:10 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes RB Darius Rayburn (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73233) with the 5.9 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Breakaway Speed</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->45</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Power Inside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>67<->96</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>12<->42</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Hole Recognition</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>49<->79</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Elusiveness</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>55<->85</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Speed to Outside</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blitz Pickup</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>32<->62</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Avoid Drops</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>25<->55</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Getting Downfield</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>54<->84</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Route Running</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>21<->51</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Third Down Catching</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>34<->64</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>4<->34</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>14<->44</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>23<->53</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>71</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>217</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.3</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.6</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.60</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>18</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>18</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.14</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>117</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>17</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>24</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Third RB in the class for Hanalei. I don't see much. Again, no green ink on the combines there, and his HoleRec rating looks okay.

Again, that combo of Power Inside and Speed to Outside... stuff that has a real world appeal taken at face value, but never really impressed upon me as being important... both good with this dude, like the other RB I didn't much like. Hmmmm.

edit: also worth noting, I guess, that no void bars other than in returns...

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:15 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes T Willie Chubb (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73555) with the 6.3 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>3<->33</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Pass Blocking</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Blocking Strength</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>62<->92</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>22<->52</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>75</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>306</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.1</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.5</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.45</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>25</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>35</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.42</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>90</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>-</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Hmmmm. Okay, Run Bl rating is not exactly a void, but just near-zero. Does that matter?

Anyway, I'd look at the bars and think this guy might click as a low-level OT3 who can only pass block.

Missing something? If this guy pops, what did I miss? He looks like a stiff to me... potential void in key area, super low development, nothing super special any place. Dunno.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:18 AM

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes CB Jamal Davison (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73858) with the 7.4 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>22<->51</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>32<->62</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>10<->40</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>66<->95</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>27<->56</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>4<->33</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Interceptions</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>6<->35</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->29</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>53<->82</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>21<->50</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>1<->30</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>73</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>207</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.0</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.46</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>35</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>20</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>6.88</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>116</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>33</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>30</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

Another guy who looks scrapheap-ready, to me. Solid bars in KR and Bump, maybe that's literally enough right there. Combines do look good. Is is the smoothie of all these little factors that make him semi-attractive? Again, if he pops big, I'm coming back and tearing this apart.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 03:19 AM

Okay, that's the raw material. Going to try to get some sleep, but can reveal my "first looks" on these guys soon.

tzach

04-11-2020, 03:21 AM

i'll be watching this thread closely -- i'm sure it will revamp my interest in drafting again

MIJB#19

04-11-2020, 06:46 AM

heh... didn't see this before I decided to post this thread, honest...And on my end it was no intention to specifically trigger anybody, but I think this is indeed interesting to see somebody pick it up.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 09:53 AM

While it doesn't exactly belong here, I'll outline my trail of thought as I take my sneak peek at my own rookies from this same draft. It will, if form holds, stand in stark contrast to what I see from the MalcPow draft.

1 - 24 (24) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Fred Burnett G Texas Southern

No longer looks maxed out, but still very solid. Scout says 48/75, he seems like a sure thing to be a top-shelf starter for a decade. But how much less effective is that than a guy with multiple 100 ratings? Who knows. Anyway, this looks fine, if he ends up 70/90/70/80 over time, he's our LG starter forever. For a "settle for" pick of the best guy at low impact position, he's on target.

2 - 24 (56) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Eduardo Yap CB Rutgers

I thought this dude's bar profile was suspicious. But now he looks like an odd bird... big 88 in the static PH bar, but little else to suggest anything much more beyond man coverage (not my focus). Scout says 29/53, I say... mysteries abound, but this might turn out to be a wasted pick. The guy picked right after him would have been a better fit, I now think.

4 - 24 (120) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Avery Shepard RB Samford

I desperately needed RB help, passed on a tier in rounds 2 and 3 because of guys like him (and our 7th rounder). So, what did we get here? Pretty much what I expected. Scout says 40/47 and bars are mostly filled out. He's VERY top-heavy with his ratings (nothing projecting over 50 below the top six, all of which look at least solid). In a football world, he seems like he'd be a useful change-of-pace back who didn't have the legs for 15+ carries. In FOF, no idea what a 30-something endurance RB can project to being worth, these guys seem to show up on the first play already winded.

5 - 24 (152) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Andre Donaldson DT Pace

So, I draft differently than MP in lots of ways. But one of them is I am very willing to go for players who project to have very narrow value - as in one or two bars being worthwhile, and the rest is relative trash. If this guy turns out to be a special teams ace and a bottom-of-rotation DL, I reckon I could find him enough starts to lock him in for chemistry and hold him forever as a cheap roster filler. No aspiration here that he might be a sneaky creep-up-to-50 type whatsoever. I don't think the draft aces look for guys like this, meaning they are basically my moneyball play out there.

Anyway...this particular guy? The ST bar checks in not at 100, but at 66/79. That alone is likely enough to make him a pre-camp cut. Standard low-round chaff, that's most of most drafts of mine. There WAS a logic to taking him, I don't see how I could have foreseen he'd be the most attractive guy to me in round-something with enough clarity that I'd spend an interview on him. So, instead, I pick semi-blind, and watch that 70-100 ST range disintegrate into relative uselessness. It happens. To me, a lot.

6 - 24 (184) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Darrell Van Pelt K Princeton

Specialist. Basically trying to get some value for these late round picks beyond dead cap hits after I usually cut them. (For a chemistry nut like me, the value of picks in rounds 5-7 took a massive hit in the latest FOF full update... finding "starts" for marginal defensive players is hard, so getting such guys activated for chemistry is a bitch... meaning with my late picks, I'm often left square pegging a fleet of semi-useless skill players)

How do you pick a kicker? Beats me. Scout says this guy is 14/30, and sneak peek backs it up. Worthless, easy cut. Maybe this was all so I could get my long-awaited revenge on Princeton, the only university that ever declines my application at any level. I'll show them. (Honestly, I can't imagine I drafted a guy with bars like this, it looks like semi-random Volatility Stick of Death, not necessarily a poor drafting approach). "I don't take any responsibility at all."

7 - 24 (216) Chesapeake * (10 min) QuikSand (online) Leonardo Tousha RB Duke

Okay, cue the skill position flotsam, as mentioned above. RB is a need position, so I fluff my last pick at one more lottery ticket - the guy who looked big at endurance. What do we end up with?

Scout says 33/38, that's not awful. Sneak peek shows him with an intriguing combo of bars that sorta stuck out when we looked at MalcPow's draft earlier -- this guy has almost nothing except: 64 Power, 63 Speed, 67 Endurance. Can a RB with Breakway 8 and Hole Rec 26 actually evolve into a useful player? Let's try to find out, we'll keep him aboard at least into preseason, I hope.

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Chemistry-wise, among this group no real standouts. RB Tousha is 79 Ldr/70 Pers, that 70 Pers will keep him in the mix against a couple young hobos I could sign who would at least bring some chemistry bonus. G Burnett is a solid follower at 0/69. RB Shepard is okay at 69/51. DB Yap suffers another strike with a weak 20/41.

Given my style of play, the skull and crossbones shows up when a promising player has a combo like 95/5... I simply can't afford to keep that sort of guy around long enough for him to take over as chemistry leader, and emasculate all my work there. No such booby traps here, at least. DT Donaldson is a 93/40, but he pre-earned his obvious pink slip by also sucking at football, so no harm done there.

Long term assets: G
Unknown: RB, CB

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 09:57 AM

Yeah, here's your TL;DR version...

Long term assets: G
Unknown: RB, CB

We'll do something similar after looking through the Hanalei draft. It will be depressing. But I'm doing the thread not to brag (obviously), but to learn. So, we'll try to humbly do that.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 04:13 PM

BELCo ratings make Hanalei the preliminary draft winner (http://www.fof-ihof.com/forums/showpost.php?p=456686&postcount=3), no shock given his extra picks...we'll see how things look when he runs the "Dandies/Duds" list, I honestly don't recall when that shows up, maybe after training camp?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 04:15 PM

...yes, after the training camp phase (http://www.fof-ihof.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33794). We'll await, eagerly.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 04:28 PM

I will do a little sneak peek stroll through the Hanalie rookie class, just to get my own first impressions from the bars-so-far snapshot...

Okay, without time to do a real rundown here, suffice it to say that his players have a far higher ratio of current-to-future ratings than most of my after-draft-regret guys do.

Looking at a guy like FB Dunlap, he does, indeed look like a useful player. Very nicely developed, no really apparent upside, but the initial scout view is 33/46 by my scout, not too bad. If he generates a nice +6 or so in preseason, I reckon that's a decent starter. I don't see the tell in that guy... why is he showing up so well developed? His 48% Dev% is not exceptional. Is there a clue in his player position familiarity, or something else not being imported by the draft conscriptor?

This guy seems like a learning opportunity.

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 05:09 PM

edit: leaving this here for my embarrassment, but please just skip past the substance of this post - I got two draftees mixed up, and thought I had found something crazy... not so, just my mistake here

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Hanalei (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=0): MalcPow takes S Silas Parrish (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73962) with the 5.4 pick.

<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="2" bgcolor="#C8C8C8"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle">Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>67<->97</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Man-to-Man Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Zone Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>18<->47</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Bump-and-Run Defense</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>55<->85</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Play Diagnosis</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>69<->99</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punishing Hitter</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>70<->100</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Interceptions</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>1<->31</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Punt Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Kick Returning</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>0<->30</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Endurance</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>60<->89</td></tr><tr><td valign="middle">Special Teams</td><td>http://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/bluepic.pnghttp://www.fof-ihof.com/greypic.png</td><td>16<->46</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="1" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>HT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>WT</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>RAW</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>ADJ</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>DASH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>SOL</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BENCH</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>AGI</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>BRJU</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>POS</center></th><th bgcolor="#71CAC5"><center>%DEV</center></th></tr><tr><td bgcolor=""><center>67</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>191</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>5.2</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.9</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>4.61</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>29</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>19</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>7.13</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>99</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>30</center></td><td bgcolor=""><center>45</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

So...my quick look above, I concluded "I don't get it." I see a big PH bar, good combines. He looks like a one-coverage loser with no nose for the ball, and lousy special teams. Useless.

As of now, from my sneak peek, I'd say "this guy looks like a productive player." He's got nice, well-developed skills including a pairing of 70 PH/65 Int, and he's in the 40s of both Endurance and Special Teams. His coverage bars aren't great, but not awful.

What the hell happened to this guy? In the draft he was one point from being a void in interceptions. Now, my my scout, he's the #6 DB in the whole draft at getting interceptions, with a current rating of 65. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? HE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GUY.

This is why I set up this thread.

MIJB#19

04-11-2020, 07:14 PM

So...my quick look above, I concluded "I don't get it." I see a big PH bar, good combines. He looks like a one-coverage loser with no nose for the ball, and lousy special teams. Useless.

As of now, from my sneak peek, I'd say "this guy looks like a productive player." He's got nice, well-developed skills including a pairing of 70 PH/65 Int, and he's in the 40s of both Endurance and Special Teams. His coverage bars aren't great, but not awful.

What the hell happened to this guy? In the draft he was one point from being a void in interceptions. Now, my my scout, he's the #6 DB in the whole draft at getting interceptions, with a current rating of 65. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? HE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GUY.

This is why I set up this thread.Fwiw, I'm still seeing Parrish as a void in interceptions.
The 4th round pick Binkow does rank 6th. Did you mix those two up?

QuikSand

04-11-2020, 08:15 PM

Fwiw, I'm still seeing Parrish as a void in interceptions.
The 4th round pick Binkow does rank 6th. Did you mix those two up?

Ah, apparently I did. MYSTERY SOLVED. END OF THREAD.

(thanks)

tzach

04-12-2020, 12:50 PM

how about this malcpow's draft class

QuikSand

04-12-2020, 06:53 PM

I guess I just wait until training camp runs. Then we get BenBot analysis, which is reliably a good indicator of guys about to pop.

I would welcome smarties here sharing insight into what they see (especially where I don't see it)... but right now that big batch looks like a lot of decent players, better than the ones I tend to draft, but not... magical, or anything. My guess is we'll see some sprinking of fairy dust in the stages ahead, and hopefully come away with 3-4 guys where I can try to take a deeper dive, as a sort of a posteriori discussion.

QuikSand

04-13-2020, 11:20 AM

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</td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">1(4) LG Christopher Johnston (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73468) 57/95
3(7) C Bryson Burns (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73426) 33/79
2(8) MLB Jason Small (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73744) 41/63
2(3) MLB Gene Riley (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73745) 41/59
4(9) RB Kirk Fox (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73223) 44/54
3(4) FL Nicholas Prescott (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73352) 30/50
4(3) RB Eduardo Crane (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73238) 39/50
5(8) MLB Bert Woodson (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73735) 32/47
5(4) SS Silas Parrish (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73962) 36/47
6(3) LT Willie Chubb (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73555) 21/56
5(9) RB Darius Rayburn (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73233) 34/43
4(12) FS Wally Binkow (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73953) 27/39
4(18) TE Tito Carr (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73290) 31/42
4(16) FB Ron Dunlap (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73273) 38/48
0(0) LDT Levi Logan (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73724) 22/42
7(4) RCB Jamal Davison (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73858) 26/45

These should be working links to the Hanalei draft, ranked #1 by BenBot... so you can see actual players pages post-camp. The preseason ratings movements not yet here, but we have some decent ideas who is working out.

First look... this draft looks less spectacular than some I recall seeing from MalcPow.
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QuikSand

04-13-2020, 11:21 AM

ugh, sorry about the text formatting there... I don't know how to fix without losing an hour of my life. Sorry not sorry.

QuikSand

04-13-2020, 11:22 AM

The Dandies/Duds list doesn't suggest there are going to be the usual "OMGWTFBBQ" picks from Hanalei... he may have just executed a solid, decent, but unremarkable deep draft class.

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tzach

04-13-2020, 11:25 AM

only the man himself can reveal his secrets

i think the DBs will pop to mid 50s at least (davidson and blinkow)

MalcPow

04-14-2020, 10:41 AM

I wasn't sure when to hop in. But I think you've got it right. We can walk through some guys once they're "fully revealed". I came out of this one thinking we got four 70+ guys... the monster G at the top, the two 2nd round LBs (with Riley moving to DE and Small an anchor MLB), and the C we got in the 3rd. The rest of the class felt like a solid mix of guys in the 50s or close enough at spots where they'd be helpful.

There's some reality in here too. The clock held for awhile ahead of my run of picks in the 4th round and I fell asleep without really optimizing my list. We got guys I had in there as interesting. No harm no foul, but there's not much separation or ordering in the back half of the draft really.

And we made an active blunder apparently in valuing the WR as much as we did. He's an affinity fit kind of (I swear that was in the value soup), and I saw a great returner and slot receiver guy. Now it looks like the route running will be prohibitively low and we got a return guy. Not the worst thing in the world for a 3rd round pick, but there were some real players on the board in the 3rd in this draft.

Anyway, all told I feel good about any of our first three picks as first rounders for us in any draft. We'll have pulled some starters and good players from a lot of other spots as well. I end up with a lot of non-sexy positional picks and guys whose carrying tool is just the plain ol raw Grade ranking. That and ... really work well together in targeting some upside plays and limiting some downside misses. We still make a lot of logical errors in our constant pull toward winning the draft mini-game of ratings moves and missing out on actual impactful roster strategy.

corbes

04-14-2020, 02:33 PM

QuikSand was kind enough to send me his draft files, so I will offer some armchair-GM thoughts on this draft as well. One possibility: if others from IHOF are willing to send me their draft_personal.csv files from this class, I would be able to share a somewhat unique look at how scouting variances may have affected the way people saw this draft. Please PM me if willing.

corbes

04-14-2020, 02:53 PM

Evidently no surprise at #4. My spreadsheet saw the guard as the fourth best overall in the class, one of four players who were at least three full standard deviations above the mean. An overall score of 75 with his bars (81) somewhat rosier than his grade (68) or combine (66).

A few other observations from the first round: DE Bryant Porter (1.20) seems (according to this spreadsheet) to be the second-best prospect in the draft, with an overall (82) and unreal combines (93). Along with the guard and the QB (1.1) and WR (1.2), was one of the aforementioned four players who graded out more than 3 standard deviations above the mean. Seems like a steal to have fallen all the way to 24. Was he a red flag? DE Abraham Hoffman (1.33) (overall 76, stdev 2.8) and CB Eduardo McElreath (1.26 Tucker) (overall 70, stdev 2.7) are two more who seem to have slipped more than 15 spots on the draft board.

corbes

04-14-2020, 03:02 PM

The two linebackers both have similar profiles and are notable for their maxed static bars. Both also have bars that are substantially better than their grades or their combines. (LB Riley: bars 60, grade 46, combine 46) (LB Small: bars 65, grade 47, combine 35). Given the maxed statics, seems like the bet here was that the bars would hold. Riley will probably come out a little higher than that if moved to defensive end.

corbes

04-14-2020, 03:09 PM

So one thing my spreadsheet did was try to predict who would boom (beyond their predicted peak overall) or bust (never reach their predicted peak overall), by taking correlations from a large data set between draft characteristics and eventual ratings changes. I was never able to tweak this enough to be reliable because of the noise created by VSOL and VSOD. But LB Small had a noteworthy score by this metric, however unreliable it may have been. Only DT Carter Jamison (2.26) and G Christopher Johnson (ahem) had substantially higher scores. The two defensive ends (Hoffman and Porter) were high on this list too.

The QB picked by the AI at 1.8 fared worst by that metric.

corbes

04-14-2020, 03:18 PM

C Bryson Burns is interesting. The spreadsheet does *not* see him as a 79 overall. I wonder whether this is an instance of a scouting delta... (kids going sideways on me, will return to this later...)

PilotMan

04-14-2020, 04:51 PM

I'll abbreviate a lot of stuff with this: some people clearly have really advanced this process. At various points, it felt like the draft had been "solved" by certain people. Some of those angles have been shared, some not. So there's definitely a division of haves and have-nots. I am a sensible person, very intuitive, but am selectively very lazy. And I have found myself, for lack of a really strong "system" to use when drafting, on the wrong side of the drafting skills rift.

I'll hand it to the guys who have done it. The guys have really accomplished a lot to get to that level and they kill it in MP. It was fun for a while, but I never could compete for real despite my single big championship. I was good, but never great. Eventually, I just got tired of it. I always wanted to find that silver bullet, so I'll be watching just to see how it goes.

corbes

04-14-2020, 05:48 PM

Looking further at C Burns, I don't think it is a scouting issue. It looks like when I calculated my correlations between the available draft information and PEAKCUR for offensive linemen, the blocking strength bar was by far and away the most important characteristic, while the third most important characteristic was percent developed.* Burns took a substantial hit in the calculation for that reason. If he'd been 50% developed, my spreadsheet would have calculated his bars at about 80, which is where seems to have come out in the initial BELCO reveal.

So: I'm on the wrong side of MP and BELCO on this one. That tells me something about the quality of my math.

*Bench press was the second most important attribute

tzach

04-15-2020, 12:00 AM

tzach

04-15-2020, 02:17 AM

here's the unformatted table from my code. the last two columns correspond to the future rating expected from the midpoint of the bars and the predicted future rating, respectively.

Rnd Pick Pos Last First MidBars Pred
1 1 QB Henson Angel 86 74
1 2 WR Doyle Riley 70 67
1 3 WR McCaslin Drew 73 74
1 4 G Johnston Christopher 87 93
1 5 ILB Keener Zachery 78 74
1 6 T Nail Zack 81 78
1 7 T Barlow O.J. 74 73
1 8 QB Jacobs Buddy 57 45
1 9 DT Fletcher Darien 72 72
1 10 T Marsh Gregory 75 74
1 11 WR Berton Carson 57 59
1 12 WR Hoffmann Marshall 69 73
1 13 QB Bell Brandon 53 42
1 14 DT Sawickis Britt 71 67
1 15 S Westbrook Erik 75 64
1 16 T Richmond Weston 74 65
1 17 CB Wilson Hector 74 82
1 18 CB Curtis T.J. 76 86
1 19 T Watson Phillip 84 74
1 20 DE Porter Bryant 78 80
1 21 CB Wynn Jeremy 72 71
1 22 WR McTermid Vinny 58 58
1 23 RB Ta'Amu Bert 59 61
1 24 G Burnett Fred 83 79
1 25 CB Stanton Steve 69 63
1 26 CB McElreath Eduardo 70 72
1 27 T Wright J.T. 65 64
1 28 TE Jenness Deon 59 53
1 29 DT Noriega Chad 70 72
1 30 C Simmons Walt 76 78
1 31 WR Wynn Harris 58 54
1 32 RB Healy Tyrus 59 53
2 1 DE Hoffman Abraham 70 70
2 2 C Rude Terrell 65 53
2 3 ILB Riley Gene 58 68
2 4 T Wilber Jerald 74 67
2 5 OLB Newsome Cornell 64 54
2 6 RB Gerhardt Harris 63 55
2 7 RB Cady Stanley 58 53
2 8 ILB Small Jason 70 73
2 9 G Wilkerson Kai 74 70
2 10 DE Askin Shannon 72 72
2 11 CB Neil Hunter 58 61
2 12 WR McKenzie Sebastian 62 41
2 13 CB Burnett Braden 61 59
2 14 OLB Kerr Ty 63 57
2 15 RB Hermon Rodney 52 44
2 16 DE Cooke Keegan 69 76
2 17 WR Fox J.T. 57 47
2 18 TE Magana Nathan 61 50
2 19 DE Rivero Levon 62 58
2 20 CB Grennes Christian 58 57
2 21 TE Nori Ivan 68 75
2 22 WR Ratan Brant 54 54
2 23 TE Tobin Gino 65 61
2 25 CB Mroz Bob 62 58
2 26 DT Jamison Carter 78 75
2 27 S Leathers Arnold 65 48
2 28 RB Reinsel Ernie 61 56
2 29 DE Bruce Dana 66 65
2 30 DE Brewer Louie 66 67
2 31 G Gaines Shannon 62 57
3 1 T Staples Tevin 57 49
3 2 QB Lofton Morris 53 49
3 3 QB Silvanic Kai 44 37
3 4 WR Prescott Nicholas 50 50
3 6 S Lake Freddie 63 57
3 7 C Burns Bryson 78 81
3 8 DT Blake Cory 66 61
3 10 RB Meinke Derek 60 53
3 11 S Graham Ricky 57 55
3 12 WR Gadrinab Tristan 55 49
3 13 DE Armstrong Irv 65 64
3 14 S Laventure Ernest 52 50
3 15 QB Davis Edwin 52 48
3 16 RB Russell Bradley 58 52
3 17 WR Frederick Bart 63 47
3 18 ILB Erickson Paul 49 43
3 19 WR Van Nus Cesar 61 37
3 20 S Jones Robert 49 46
3 21 S Madison Ross 55 52
3 22 DT Foley Chuck 62 56
3 24 WR Woodard Willie 40 46
3 25 G DiMaggio Rondell 65 59
3 26 T Blackwell Josiah 60 49
3 27 WR Rodgers Roosevelt 43 39
3 29 CB King Brad 53 50
3 30 S Woodard Jason 65 61
3 32 OLB Wonders Rickey 59 56
4 1 T Watson Cary 51 57
4 2 WR Upshaw Asher 54 52
4 3 RB Crane Eduardo 50 50
4 4 CB Rose R.J. 56 49
4 5 ILB Hopkins Chuck 55 48
4 6 CB Opitz Donald 48 43
4 7 DE Devine Francisco 58 52
4 8 CB Woodson Reuben 46 43
4 9 RB Fox Kirk 60 48
4 10 ILB Cole Kaden 58 50
4 11 DE Becker Hayden 47 41
4 12 S Binkow Wally 44 47
4 14 WR Blackburn D.J. 48 43
4 15 ILB Iannucci Thurman 55 54
4 17 RB Regalado Eugene 51 46
4 18 TE Carr Tito 53 50
4 20 T Stazer Corey 55 45
4 21 RB Reinert Stan 56 50
4 22 G Talley Wes 54 53
4 23 CB Jolly Damian 56 56
4 24 RB Shepard Avery 51 44
4 25 DE Kruse Bill 53 52
4 26 T Prince Reuben 58 49
4 27 WR Nahm Jonah 42 40
4 28 OLB Vance Rondell 53 38
4 29 TE Palmer Julio 50 42
4 30 QB Stanton Scott 49 37
4 32 G Jeffries Chester 61 56
5 1 CB Duffy Kaden 55 47
5 2 RB Carmack Andy 57 45
5 3 S Brew Bruce 50 50
5 4 S Parrish Silas 56 50
5 5 G Lengfelder Devin 55 58
5 6 RB Gallegos Ezra 54 46
5 7 ILB Ferguson Gerald 56 44
5 8 ILB Woodson Bert 48 48
5 9 RB Rayburn Darius 49 39
5 10 ILB Calavicci Britt 44 40
5 11 DT Small Billy 43 40
5 12 ILB Wiggins Mason 49 44
5 13 G Hodges Miguel 64 55
5 14 DE McCormick Tyrone 56 56
5 15 QB Sieh Quentin 44 40
5 16 T Hardy Caden 57 47
5 17 RB Durham Damien 56 47
5 18 G Malone Darius 57 51
5 19 DT Lang Roderick 48 48
5 20 DE Sawyer Calvin 56 54
5 21 OLB Tilson Casey 56 52
5 22 DT Pisano Donnie 56 52
5 23 G Wilkerson Harrison 65 43
5 24 DT Donaldson Andre 52 50
5 25 S Wilson Marshall 46 46
5 27 QB Barbaritz Seth 45 41
5 29 ILB Brandon Jacob 52 46
5 30 WR Villasenor Cornell 50 39
5 31 G Hazuga Ruben 56 60
5 32 S Patton Warren 56 56
6 1 OLB Rosales Donnie 52 47
6 2 RB Schultz Nate 49 45
6 3 T Chubb Willie 54 54
6 4 ILB Chandler Joey 39 41
6 5 CB Knight Gus 49 42
6 6 QB Warren Santiago 40 43
6 7 CB Provo Andres 55 47
6 8 DE Yeung Mack 55 55
6 9 T Reynolds Claude 39 44
6 10 OLB Sims Camden 43 42
6 11 WR Harper Warren 42 33
6 13 QB Escobedo Thurman 42 39
6 15 CB Bandy Corey 48 42
6 17 ILB Walczak Mitchell 46 40
6 18 DE Birney Grady 49 45
6 19 T Basile Scott 48 37
6 20 RB Pacheco Marshall 52 44
6 22 OLB Tuaolo Denzel 57 49
6 23 S Buckley Tristan 48 47
6 25 CB Weber Harris 45 46
6 26 DE Scovill Leon 40 50
6 28 QB Thorne Kyle 39 39
6 29 T Castellanos Wally 55 47
6 30 T Ezell Sherman 44 39
6 31 OLB Lang Thurman 49 51
6 32 CB Peters Conner 43 47
7 1 OLB Swayda Donte 50 40
7 2 QB Freeman Gino 29 44
7 3 WR Moe Frankie 31 27
7 4 CB Davison Jamal 47 43
7 5 DT Payne Abel 49 50
7 6 ILB Dewey Kim 46 40
7 7 WR Latham Zachery 49 37
7 8 G Patton Owen 53 41
7 9 WR Wilkerson Harris 52 41
7 10 T Tyler John 56 45
7 11 DT Kersey Ronald 55 55
7 12 OLB Walker Ramon 44 46
7 14 WR Pifott Dave 32 39
7 16 CB O'Neill Danny 43 34
7 17 WR Saylors Cameron 48 39
7 18 T Brady Isaiah 49 45
7 19 OLB Hudson Herb 47 46
7 20 QB Hines Rex 47 41
7 21 CB Martin Eric 52 45
7 22 WR Sheasley Reginald 42 43
7 23 DT Reese Leland 58 55
7 24 RB Tousha Leonardo 43 42
7 25 DE Wells Alonzo 46 52
7 26 TE Bernstein Malachi 47 44
7 27 DT Ramthun Corwin 48 45
7 28 CB Spencer Greg 51 45
7 29 G Hoang Drew 47 46
7 30 ILB Dills Aaron 50 43
7 31 ILB Wisne Caden 50 50
7 32 DT Wheeler Tim 42 46

tzach

04-15-2020, 02:20 AM

the post above is meant to quote my code predictions using a formatted table. not sure why it doesn't work.

corbes

04-15-2020, 03:42 AM

So I took a look at stud offensive linemen with very low development and I would characterize the results as: eh, even if he doesn't quite make his bars, he's still a stud, don't overthink it.

corbes

04-15-2020, 05:19 AM

tzach, remind me of the address for belco slack?

QuikSand

04-15-2020, 11:51 AM

Anyone who had stuff to contribute toward this, you're free to use my personal email. It's msanderson followed by the numerals three one three at the Google domain for email.

tzach

04-15-2020, 01:55 PM

the title of this thread couldn't be more fitting. indeed a masterclass by the professor

Squirrel

04-16-2020, 05:11 AM

I will hasten to add here that I am doing this without explicit permission from MalcPow. He is unlikely to find this thread unless pointed here, so fuck him.

LOL

and subscribed

Nemesis

04-16-2020, 01:19 PM

As a safety Wally Binkow doesn't even make my list, which is why I didn't look for him, but if I looked at him as a CB from the start, regardless of his size, he would have made my list and he'll likely play well at CB.

QuikSand

07-06-2020, 09:27 AM

Another round from the same drafter, same league, where he wafted back in the window and decided to pay attention:

<table width="100%" border="1"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>1</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>http://www.fof-ihof.com/slivers/helmet0.png</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>HAN (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampage.php?teamid=0)</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>MalcPow</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">1(12) SE Tristan Powell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75076) 53/73
2(23) LCB Maurice Knoff (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75545) 53/56
2(32) RCB Ted Haddad (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75540) 52/61
2(6) FL Steve Norton (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75039) 42/61
2(29) LT Ezekiel Dragos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75211) 36/69
7(24) RB Lonnie Mazur (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=74911) 38/44
4(24) LDT Devon Kilpatrick (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75412) 36/38
3(22) RT Blaine Piccarreta (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75264) 18/60
6(22) LG Devonte Foreman (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75206) 20/44
0(0) K Jimmie Russell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75296) 31/63
</td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">1(12) SE Tristan Powell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75076) 53/73
2(23) LCB Maurice Knoff (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75545) 53/56
2(32) RCB Ted Haddad (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75540) 52/61
2(6) FL Steve Norton (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75039) 42/61
2(29) LT Ezekiel Dragos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75211) 36/69
7(24) RB Lonnie Mazur (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=74911) 38/44
4(24) LDT Devon Kilpatrick (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75412) 36/38
3(22) RT Blaine Piccarreta (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75264) 18/60
6(22) LG Devonte Foreman (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75206) 20/44
0(0) K Jimmie Russell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75296) 31/63
</td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center></center>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

kinda crazy

tzach

07-06-2020, 01:12 PM

hehe i came here to bump this -- nice to see the update. now the guys from the original masterclass are in yr 3, so the ratings are pretty much close to final. damn impressive.

IHOF: Hanalei Dragons 2090 (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampagerosterneeds.php?teamid=0)

MIJB#19

07-06-2020, 06:08 PM

Fwiw.
<table class="data" align="center"><tbody class="data"><tr class="heading"><td class="heading">Pick http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/images/arrow_up.gif (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=pick_id desc) </td> <td class="heading"> Team (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=team_name) </td> <td class="heading"> Team GM (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=team_owner) </td> <td class="heading">Change Team </td> <td class="heading"> Name (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=player_name) </td> <td class="heading"> Pos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=position_name) </td> <td class="heading"> School (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/selections.php?team_id=3&order_by=player_school) </td><td>cur/fut by my staff</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 1 - 4 (4) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Christopher Johnston (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73468) </td> <td class="light" style=""> G </td> <td class="light" style=""> Louisiana - Lafayette </td> <td>95/95</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 2 - 3 (35) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Gene Riley (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73745) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Memphis </td> <td>83/83 moved to DE</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 2 - 8 (40) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Jason Small (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73744) </td> <td class="light" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Maryland </td> <td>64/64</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 3 - 4 (68) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Nicholas Prescott (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73352) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> WR </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Central Florida </td> <td>46/46</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 3 - 7 (71) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Bryson Burns (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73426) </td> <td class="light" style=""> C </td> <td class="light" style=""> Virginia Tech </td> <td>64/84</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 3 (99) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Eduardo Crane (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73238) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> RB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Purdue </td> <td>51/51</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 4 - 9 (105) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Kirk Fox (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73223) </td> <td class="light" style=""> RB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Syracuse </td> <td>47/47</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 12 (108) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Wally Binkow (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73953) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> S </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Florida State </td> <td>48/58</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 4 - 16 (112) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Ron Dunlap (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73273) </td> <td class="light" style=""> FB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Wisconsin </td> <td>41/44</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 4 - 18 (114) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Tito Carr (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73290) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> TE </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Ohio State </td> <td>33/44</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 5 - 4 (132) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Silas Parrish (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73962) </td> <td class="light" style=""> S </td> <td class="light" style=""> McNeese State </td> <td>63/63</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 5 - 8 (136) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Bert Woodson (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73735) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> ILB </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Iowa State </td> <td>52/52</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 5 - 9 (137) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Darius Rayburn (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73233) </td> <td class="light" style=""> RB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Minnesota - Duluth </td> <td>39/44</td></tr> <tr> <td class="dark" style=""> 6 - 3 (163) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="dark" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="dark" style=""> </td> <td class="dark" style=""> Willie Chubb (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73555) </td> <td class="dark" style=""> T </td> <td class="dark" style=""> UCLA </td> <td>29/57</td></tr> <tr> <td class="light" style=""> 7 - 4 (196) </td> <td class="light" style=""> Hanalei * </td> <td class="light" style=""> MalcPow </td> <td class="light" style=""> </td> <td class="light" style=""> Jamal Davison (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=73858) </td> <td class="light" style=""> CB </td> <td class="light" style=""> Louisiana State</td><td>36/45, no longer at HAN</td></tr></tbody></table>

QuikSand

10-30-2020, 05:56 AM

This seems like a fun follow-up, courtesy of the awesome tools on the BELCo league websites...

IHOF Forums - View Single Post - 2093 Regular Season Week 17 Complete (http://www.fof-ihof.com/forums/showpost.php?p=462782&postcount=10)

QuikSand

10-30-2020, 08:47 AM

Looking back on my commentary, talking about MalcPow's selection of a pass-rusher LB Gene Riley.

Okay, again maybe you question the position choice (I don't) but past that there's not much to bicker with here, right? Combine beast, bar profile makes him look like he'll be a really serious pass rusher (WLB or DE). Note that the static bars are strong here - PR Str MAX, Bump and PHitt both solid.

Wonder where that guy is today...

<table class="sortable" width="100%" border="1" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#e7e7e7"><center>DEF PLAYER OF THE YR</center></td><td bgcolor="#e7e7e7"><center>RDE Gene Riley (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=73745)</center></td><td bgcolor="#e7e7e7"><center>Hanalei Dragons (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampage.php?teamid=0)</center></td><td bgcolor="#e7e7e7"><center>47 tkl, 20 assists, 18.0 sacks, 53 hurries.</center></td><td bgcolor="#e7e7e7"><center>http://www.fof-ihof.com/small/helmet0.png</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

QuikSand

04-11-2021, 03:35 PM

Was just re-listening to the drafting vid with MP... felt like bumping this thread was worthwhile, after doing so.

For reference:
MalcPow and Quik on drafting in FOF 8 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfP-tHOR84A)

QuikSand

04-11-2021, 03:36 PM

In the video above, MP gives some thoughts on several players from the draft mentioned here:

Another round from the same drafter, same league, where he wafted back in the window and decided to pay attention:

<table width="100%" border="1"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>1</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>http://www.fof-ihof.com/slivers/helmet0.png</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>HAN (http://www.fof-ihof.com/teampage.php?teamid=0)</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><center>MalcPow</center></td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">1(12) SE Tristan Powell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75076) 53/73
2(23) LCB Maurice Knoff (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75545) 53/56
2(32) RCB Ted Haddad (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75540) 52/61
2(6) FL Steve Norton (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75039) 42/61
2(29) LT Ezekiel Dragos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75211) 36/69
7(24) RB Lonnie Mazur (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=74911) 38/44
4(24) LDT Devon Kilpatrick (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75412) 36/38
3(22) RT Blaine Piccarreta (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75264) 18/60
6(22) LG Devonte Foreman (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75206) 20/44
0(0) K Jimmie Russell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/playercard.php?playerid=75296) 31/63
</td><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">1(12) SE Tristan Powell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75076) 53/73
2(23) LCB Maurice Knoff (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75545) 53/56
2(32) RCB Ted Haddad (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75540) 52/61
2(6) FL Steve Norton (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75039) 42/61
2(29) LT Ezekiel Dragos (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75211) 36/69
7(24) RB Lonnie Mazur (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=74911) 38/44
4(24) LDT Devon Kilpatrick (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75412) 36/38
3(22) RT Blaine Piccarreta (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75264) 18/60
6(22) LG Devonte Foreman (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75206) 20/44
0(0) K Jimmie Russell (http://www.fof-ihof.com/conscriptor/show_player.php?in_game_id=75296) 31/63
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kinda crazy