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finkellll
06-27-2020, 07:12 AM
TL;DR OC/DC interviewing is by far the greatest contributor to blue bar (pre-interview) width. OC/DC scouting is a distant 2nd, and HC/AC scouting/interviewing is roughly equal at half the distant 2nd.


So between the other thread here on fofc and the OSFL slack channel, I've seen people say that interviewing does nothing for the pre-interview bar width, and I wanted to show that it simply isn't true. We just had the draft in OSFL, so I had the guys send me their blue bar width on 1 offensive and defensive player, then I kicked out a table from SQL combining staff.csv and team_information.csv so that I can excel a graph together of scouting vs. blue bar width and interviewing vs. blue bar width for all 4 coordinators.


I got 9 teams to give me their bar widths. If we want to try to get more data points we can use the GML draft next week, all I need is for teams to send me their pre-interview bar width (by looking at the rating in conscriptor, where it tells you the actual min/max numbers) and I'll update this post with the results.


Here are the correlations, I'll attach the graphs in the next post(s). I don't trust the AC scouting correlation, because the data points are clustered together. I expect the AC scouting to be similar to HC scouting/interviewing, more data would tell one way or another.


<table width="170" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><colgroup><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3876;width:80pt" width="106"> <col style="width:48pt" width="64"> </colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;width:80pt" width="106" height="20">HC scout</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-left:none;width:48pt; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#F86C6B;mso-pattern:black none" width="64" align="right">0.129</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">HC interview</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-top:none;border-left:none; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#F86D6B;mso-pattern:black none" align="right">0.1299</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">DC scout</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-top:none;border-left:none; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#FCB77A;mso-pattern:black none" align="right">0.2428</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">DC interview</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-top:none;border-left:none; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#63BE7B;mso-pattern:black none" align="right">0.8518</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">AC scout</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-top:none;border-left:none; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#E8E583;mso-pattern:black none" align="right">0.3997</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">AC interview</td> <td class="xl63" style="border-top:none;border-left:none; border:.5pt solid windowtext;background:#F8696B;mso-pattern:black none" align="right">0.1234</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

finkellll
06-27-2020, 07:26 AM
It isn't letting me upload images or attachments, so here is the raw data :mad::mad::mad:




DC


<table width="324" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><colgroup><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3876;width:80pt" width="106"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3145;width:65pt" width="86"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:4827;width:99pt" width="132"> </colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt;width:80pt" width="106" height="20" align="center">scouting_ability</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:65pt" width="86" align="center">interviewing</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:99pt" width="132" align="center">defense_bar_Width</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">60</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">41</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">34</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">48</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">0</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">48</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">97</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">39</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">30</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">67</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">92</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">21</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">69</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">79</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">25</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">35</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">48</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">36</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">63</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">43</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">96</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">30</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">32</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">85</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">69</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">24</td> </tr> </tbody></table>


HC


<table width="324" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><colgroup><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3876;width:80pt" width="106"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3145;width:65pt" width="86"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:4827;width:99pt" width="132"> </colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt;width:80pt" width="106" height="20" align="center">scouting_ability</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:65pt" width="86" align="center">interviewing</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:99pt" width="132" align="center">defense_bar_Width</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">88</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">67</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">34</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">60</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">44</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">48</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">77</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">90</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">30</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">80</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">70</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">21</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">93</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">86</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">25</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">81</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">78</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">36</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">74</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">57</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">68</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">86</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">32</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">61</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">49</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">24</td> </tr> </tbody></table>


AC



<table width="324" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><colgroup><col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3876;width:80pt" width="106"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3145;width:65pt" width="86"> <col style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:4827;width:99pt" width="132"> </colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt;width:80pt" width="106" height="20" align="center">scouting_ability</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:65pt" width="86" align="center">interviewing</td> <td class="xl65" style="width:99pt" width="132" align="center">defense_bar_Width</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">78</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">75</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">34</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">40</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">48</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">48</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">74</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">35</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">30</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">79</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">76</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">21</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">72</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">43</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">25</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">25</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">11</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">36</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">73</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">42</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">32</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">32</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">32</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height:15.0pt" height="20" align="center">87</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">64</td> <td class="xl65" align="center">24</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

Squirrel
06-27-2020, 09:37 AM
Interesting study, cheers for posting it

Tip - if you have a graph or something, use 'snipping tool' in windows to make it into a .jpg, then use 'postimage' (google it) to make a link that this forum should understand. That should mean you can post a graph up here

finkellll
06-27-2020, 10:12 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/bN2jSgck/scouting-interviewing.pnghttps://postimg.cc/8jDYqhCz

user name
06-27-2020, 11:50 PM
this is cool, is the unstated premise that DC is equivalent to OC for this information?

finkellll
06-28-2020, 07:10 AM
yes, I only had 5 data points on offense so the HC/AC correlations were pretty bad, but the OC was lining up exactly the same as DC, so I felt comfortable calling them the same as far as interviewing/scouting is concerned.

Hammer
06-28-2020, 09:32 AM
OC/DC interviewing is by far the greatest contributor to blue bar (pre-interview) width.

I have never seen anyone state otherwise. This has been conventional wisdom for years as far as I am aware.

The HC interview is supposed to be concerned with the accuracy of the interview result label (VO/VU etc).

OC/DC scouting relates to the accuracy of the scouting bars seen.