ZFL 2003 (code for going into 3rd yr) draft

[revrew]

Mel Kiper's draft predictions:

Fargo: There seems little question which player will be drafted in this slot. The only real question is who will draft him? The truth of the matter is that Fargo already has a decent quarterback in Killer, and while there are certainly other players Fargo will want at this spot, other teams are likely to make some interesting trade offers. Providing some team offers Fargo one or two first rounders, one or two players, etc., I see someone else drafting here. Chicago will beg and whine, but the Eagles don't really have the young players Fargo is looking for. A trade Fargo ought to consider is Birmingham's OG (Formerly known as Troy) and a couple of picks. I know Olympian GM Tucker really wants this QB, so look for Birmingham to draft QB A. here.

Los Angeles: L.A. might also make a bid for the top spot, and they certainly have the young players to trade. But GM Marmel hasn't been as active in trade talks, and I suspect he has the patience to build his team the right way. The best talent in this draft is generally considered DE EE., but L.A. doesn't really need much more defense. It's strong enough to win. They NEED offensive help. There are some good RB prospects, but Adam Sandler and Jet Li are not the worst backs in the league, and an upgrade there might not have much of an impact. Even though his fans may gripe, a wise move for Marmel would be to get OG Harrison Ford out of the lineup and take the best O-lineman in the draft, OG Y. Y and last year's #1, Freddie Prinze Jr. would provide some serious punch for the first time in L.A.

Birmingham:Fargo If everything works right for The Afoci, the Fish will make a Milwuakee-like jump by trading into this spot. And if L.A. passes on DE EE., Fargo will fill one of it's biggest needs with one of the best prospects the ZFL has seen. Perhaps I shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag on this one. Sorry, Afoci. But I hope this works out for you. Fargo takes DE EE.

Little Rock: Little Rock still needs defensive help, and there is a glut of available talent here. GM Swaggs has to be drooling. Of course, he would have liked to get DE EE., but all-around stud DE FF is almost as solid and very worthy of being picked #4.

Milwaukee: Milwaukee has to be thinking about doing better than last year's bust at CB, JeeberD. And with Jeebs being considered for expansion, Milwaukee's hardest draft day decision will only be which CB to draft. TT. or UU.? A matter of taste, I suppose, as they both look like dynamite prospects. Pressed to choose, I'll guess Dolphin takes CB TT.

Portland: Portland doesn't have any glaring needs, but they do have some aging players to replace. Even though he's up to 35, Antonio still had a great year last year, so the Sea Biscuits will probably look to get some fresh legs in the lineup behind ancient CB Kosh. Portland takes whoever Milwaukee doesn't, CB UU.

Albuquerque: The Isotopes need RB help, and there's plent to choose from. Look for ABB'Q to take backs in each of the first two rounds. Here, I suspect, they look to replace I.M. Stopgap with RB F.

San Antonio: There's no doubt that DT AA. is the best talent here. He's been the best talent on the board for a while. With the two best DEs gone, the Margaritas will be tempted to get some D-line help. But they also NEED a Safety. Best talent at AA? Or need with Safety NN? The answer will be huge for Knoxville just two spots down.

Chicago: The Eagles are getting old. They could theoretically draft anywhere. But OT Tom de Pierre is Tome de Pee-uw! With a talented OT on the board, Chicago will be considering OT S

Knoxville: If there is any way defensive tackle AA. falls here, Knoxville will laugh all the way to the bank. But the other teams can't possibly be that stupid. Can they? AA. has the talent to go top 5. At this spot, if he's there, Knoxville takes DT AA. and wins the next 5 ZFL titles.

[revrew]

***Even though we've waived expansion for this year, we're still looking at 4 rounds of draft. We'll also up the bench spots from 3 reserves to 5. Keep in mind, however, that if we do expand, we will likely need to expose more than 5 players.

Quarterbacks:
A. CH-Mike "Air" Marino: 22, "While not as highly touted as 'Thumbless' was last year, this QB is still a big-time impact player in the ZFL. There are better athletes in this year's draft, and so this QB may slip past the #1 overall spot. But on the other hand, after 'Thumbless'' big splash last year, I'd be hard-pressed to recommend anyone over this guy. He's got the skills and the field vision. He'll be a star. Worthy of the #1 pick."
B. BH-Zeus Reloaded 21, "A mechanically sound youngster, but not one to truly star. Has great intangibles, but lacks a bit in raw talent. He'd make a decent back up. Can't see him falling before the third."
C. LR-David "Don't call me Klingler" Slinger 23, "The QB slot is flooded with iffy prospects this year. This one has the size, but lacks real arm-strength and good mechanics."
aa. 24, "He got bounced around NFL Europe because he's got enough skill to make you hope, but little enough to break your heart. Might go fourth round."
D. 21, "He's a bit younger, but that's all you can say. Average in every category. No team will benefit from having him on the roster."
E. 23, "A wannabe third-stringer in the CFL. He's just too short to play the position."
bb. 22, "The CFL rejected this guy for a reason. A hint of raw talent, but only the worst QB in the league could possibly lose his job to this guy."

Halfbacks:
F. AQ-Guy Incognito 22, "A shifty back with good poise, balance, and burst. I think the NFL should have given this guy a longer look. He's not as explosive as Rajah Saleem or dependable as Artemis, but any ZFL squad will be happy to have this guy carrying the rock. Good first-round prospect."
G. SA-Mutt 23, "His CFL experience shows he has what it takes to play in the ZFL. Gets around the corners well and runs downhill. First round would be a stretch, but second round would be a bargain."
H. LA-Jerry Seinfeld 22, "The third back in a trio of fine prospects for this year. He played Division III, but don't let that dissuade you the way it did the NFL. He scored TDs in college the old-fashioned way...he earned them. A tackle-breaker and tough worker who looks to go second to third round."[H]
I. 23, "Okay, why is he on the draft board again? I, um, I just don't see it."

Fullbacks:[/B]
J. BH-Nymph 23, "Outstanding blocker who showed some ability to run at Georgia Tech, but didn't get to carry much. Has strength, speed, mechanics. We just haven't seen him handle the ball as much as he will in the ZFL. But make no mistake, he WILL handle it in our league. Can't hype him as much as Bulldozer or Ty Wick of last year, but the bottom of the first? Down into the second? Definitely."
K. LR-Brian Dozer 23, "Another quality prospect, but based more on his ability to run. A flip opposite of (J.). His blocking skills need some work, but he can carry well. Add a few pounds, a little experience, and you'll be happy with this second-rounder."
L. CH-Josh Hackenstein 24, "He's had some experience in NFL-Europe, and it's polished his skills. He didn't look all that impressive coming out of Iowa State, but in Amsterdam he's shown he's got game. I think he can complement a team looking for some backfield help, but I doubt he'll star. Third round, likely."
M. AQ-Professor Frink 21, "Young kid out of Rutgers, who was more of a student than athlete. But when he got on the field, he showed some natural tenacity. He'll need a bit of time to polish the game, but a squad looking to fill out a weak roster should consider him in the last round."
N. 21, "My grandmama could outblock this bozo."

Wide Receivers:
O. PT-Khan Ogadai 23, "Like Primetime last year, this receiver was a possession guy in college, and at 6'3', he looks to continue that at the next level. He's worth a late first-round because he's the best at his position available, but likely won't be a true star. If you're looking for a playmaker, go elsewhere, but if you want solid, reliable production at a key spot, this is your man."
P. FG-Tarek 19, "Yes, he's 19. One of a few youngsters entering the ZFL out of JuCo. Frankly, this one probably belonged there. He's got talent, but it's so, so raw. Will it develop? Gamble in the last round or so."
Q. 23, "Just as raw as (P.), but older and with even less potential. He can fill a roster spot, but he isn't going to make any GM happy."
R. 22, "A tad slow for the receiver spot, even with his good hands and positioning, I don't see him making it in the ZFL."

Offensive Tackles:
S. FG-Stud 24, "He'll be a great right tackle. You know what that means? It means he's got the size and strength, but neither the mechanics, moves, nor talent to be a star O-lineman. A building-block for a team, for certain, but no superstar. All that aside, OT is an important spot, and I see him going in the second."
T. LA-Jeff Probst 21, "Thus begins the mediocre players who all have just one thing wrong with them. This one is slow of foot. Big, sure, strong, definetly, but speed rushers are going to toast him. He can play ball, but All Pro and Bookend will eat him for lunch. Can't see him going earlier than the third."
cc. BH-Not gonna name him until I discover he's the third breakout player I've drafted in this draft and will be starting for me soon 21, "A decent contributor. He may have gone to a small school, but he has the mechanics to stick around."
U. 23, "This one's undersized. I mean, in late rounds he might be worth it, but only if you need someone to tide you over till later."
V. 20, "Another JuCo youngster trying to bust it into the ZFL. There is talent here, and he's young enough to develop, but there's a reason he couldn't find a scholarship in Division I. Or Division II for that matter."
W. 21, "An undersized, less than spectacular kid with a great attitude. But is that enough? Doubtful."
X. 21, "Okay, so he's young, 6'5, and 290. Is that enough to play professional ball? Nope."
dd. 3, 22 He helped his BYU team, but he might not help his ZFL squad much. Still, a team without quality at OT may look to him at the end of the draft. Or maybe not."


Offensive Guards:
Y. SA-Lone Star 22, "Undoubtedly one of the best lineman, and for that matter, one of the best players in the draft. Should go top 5. Texan-born, Texan-bred, Texan-sized OG with a heart as big as...okay, enough already. The point is, just because he went to tiny Texas A&M-Kingsville is no reason for the NFL to overlook this guy. Thanks, guys. You missed one here."
Z. 23, "He went to TAMU-Kingsville, too. Only, he got cut from the squad. Any ZFL team will cut him, too. Just not worth it."

Defensive Tackles:
AA. PT-Captain Bipto 22, "Pass rusher and run-stuffer. A lithe but powerful 299-pounder who is an easy first-rounder. His skills are polished, and his numbers are great. Led Asuza Pacific in sacks three years running and set the school's all-time record. May not be top 5, but definitely top 10 athlete in this year's draft."
BB. KX-Josiah Jackson 22, "I look for this powerful roadblock to go second round. At 6'6 and 320, he won't be movin' out of the way for nobody."
ff. 23, "The fourth round might take this DT off the board. He's not much now, but he's got a good upside."
ee. 22, "He's young, and he has potential, but he has a long way to go, too. Not much help for someone who needs it now."
CC. 23, "Now, just because you weigh 320 doesn't mean you can play DT. (BB.) can, this guy can't. Doesn't bend his knees, get leverage, or get results. He might look big and hairy, but that don't make him a bear. Only a desperate team would reach here."
gg. 22, "As was said before, 'He's young, and he has potential, but he has a long way to go, too.' -- Maybe even longer than the other guy."
DD. 20, "Not even a desperate team would consider this guy. Here's something you'll need to memorize, young man -- You want fries with that?"

Defensive Ends:
EE. L.A.-Toby McGwire 20, "If anybody is going to dislodge that QB from going #1, this is the man. Forget he's only 20. He's da man. The NFL toyed with him because he's undersized at 255, but in the ZFL he will terrorize the league. Speed, instinct, moves, and mentality. Uses leverage well on larger players. Great tackler, even better pass rusher. Kind of attitude that just begs to take on Knoxville."
FF. BH-Another Atlantis 22, "Not too far distant from (EE.) is this quieter, but equally formidable end. He has a constant motor that recorded dozens of sacks at UW-La Crosse simply because he didn't stop after the OT's initial stuff. Tracks down RBs from behind. Incredible tackler who looks like a brick wall when players attack him. A great team player and pillar of strength. May go top 5, but definitely first round."
GG. AQ-Strong Bad 24, "This NFL-Europe player crossed the Atlantic in search of more playing time. He'll get it. Shoot, he deserved it there. Now he won't scare teams, nor draw doubles, nor dominate the best OTs. But if you've got a monster on one side, this is the guy you want on the other. Late second, perhaps, but definetely in the third."
hh. 24, "A rookie burnout in NFL Europe, he's got the prowess, but none of the mechanics. He won't stay on a ZFL roster long, either."


Middlebackers:
HH. KX-Mullet Jackson 20, "Kid of resembles Sectoid Commander from last year. Now that's not to say he'll break out, but he comes from a similar mold, with a similar style of play. Like Sectoid, he'll only impress if he has quality around him, and he can't star power a defense himself. Probably third round."
ii. LR Squid Largus 22, "The NFL looked over this feisty 'backer from LSU, but not without a second glance. He should be a capable, complementary player."
jj. 24, "His size got him into the CFL, his attitude got him out. He might develop, but I doubt it's worth the gamble."
II. 24, "Fools like this think they can play in the ZFL. They can't. Though sometimes I wish they would. Just so Erik Flamebeard could pulverize the drunken moron."

Outsidebackers:
JJ. LA-Ray Romano 23, "Was a streaky player at 'Bama, and that's why the NFL said 'No, thanks'. Has some natural talent, but attitude is sometimes lazy. You can't count on him, but he might provide some punch. Many teams are looking for anything they can get at OLB, so I see this one falling in the third, unless need pushes him up to late 2nd."
KK. FG-The Real Gus 22, "Very fast backer who nonetheless is a bit undersized. Played well his senior year at UTEP, and deserves a look in the third."
LL. SA-Rakeface 21, "Third? Fourth? Hard to say for this beefy backer who nevertheless has a decent burst. Will his endurance give out? Or will his added size be an added strength? Any way you cut it, isn't talented enough to star, but solid enough to play if needed.
MM. 21, "A hint of raw talent in a young body. He's an athlete, but without much understanding for the game. Looked kind of like a chicken (albeit a fast one) running around with his head cut off for Cal-Irvine."
kk. 22, "At only 210 pounds, he's quite small for his position. Sure, he's scrappy, but his talent may be lacking, too. Not unless you believe in Rudy."
mm. 23, "Not big enough to take on a fullback, not fast enough to cover a receiver. Not tall enough to match a tight end, not good enough to play in the ZFL."


Safety:
NN. FG-Safety Boy 24, "A solid contributor overseas who possesses both good vision and good skills. Wanted to come back to U.S. to be closer to family, but shouldn't have to sacrifice his career. Will play well in the ZFL, and while he's no Troy McClure, he'll be starter. Might creep up into the first round."
OO. MW-Brock Marion 21, "Teams trying to find a way to stop Knoxville might look at this instinctive young player toward the end of the second. He put up good INT numbers in college, though his tackles were low enough to indicate some sloppy play. No star, but a good addition to a secondary nonetheless."
PP. PT-Black Mage 19, "One of the few JuCo players entering the draft who may get to see some playing time. He's a bit thin yet--more of a basketball player then a footballer--but has agility and speed. Might be a stretch in the third, but the fourth looks good."
QQ. 23, "Another NFL Europer wanting to come home. He might not have anywhere to come home to. He's just too slow and not rangy enough for the ZFL game."
RR. 21, "Now that Jackson Jackson has emerged, players like this just aren't going to cut the mustard."
SS. 23, "Too short and too slow to help anyone."

Cornerback:
TT. LR-Tommy TNT Toothpick 21, "Just in time, the ZFL draft has some secondary power to counter the mighty Rednecks. At 6'1 and speedy, this young CB out of Ball State looks to be rangy enough to play the ZFL game of wide-open spaces. I wouldn't pronounce him able to stop Jackson Jackson yet, but he might be in time. A definite first-rounder, he may even creep into the top 5."
UU. MW-He's not JeeberD 20, "And speaking of first-rounders, there's no drop-off between (TT.) and this guy. He may only be 5'9, but has incredible vision for the field, reads the QB, and has the agility of a dragonfly. Better cover corner than (TT.), despite his height. At a prime, young, 20 years old, it would be foolish to pass him into the second round."
nn. FG-Burned Deeperer 24, "Not particularly fast, but physical and makes good decisions. I'd take him as a nickel back, if the ZFL had those."
pp. 22, "His INT numbers were high at Pitt, but he did poorly at the combine. Dropped right off the draft board. Still, if you need somebody late..."
VV. 19, "With such great talent available, it's sad to see this child attempting to compete. And y'know what? That's what they'll say if this kid is drafted, too. Not worth even a late-round pick."

Kicker:
WW. MW-Bruce 'I'll kick your butt' Handily 22, "He's only 5'10 185. He's too slow to be a CB. But you cannot dog his athletic ability, his coordination, or his heart. As long as he isn't required to sumo wrestle, he should be an outstanding kicker in the ZFL. Since there's so much talent available in the first round +, I doubt he'll go that high, but if a team considers him high in the third, or maybe even late in the second, it wouldn't surprise me."
XX. KX-Eli Manning 24, "He's the right combination of size, strength, and agility for a ZFL kicker. Played several sports at Central Florida, and that's just the kind of thing a ZFL kicker needs. I'm not sure his attitude is right to star, but he's got what it takes to compete as a kicker."
YY. 20, "A young lumberjack type who has the ruggedness and grim determination necessary to do what it takes as a ZFL kicker. While only a late rounder, I expect he will get drafted."
qq. 24, "Predicting the success of a ZFL kicker is tough. What do you look at? Still, this guy deserves a look. 6'4 225 and light on his feet."
rr. 23, "At 285, he's a bit heavy for a ZFL kicker. But he could knock a few off on strength contests."
ss. 22, "He's young and feisty, but a bit uncoordinated. No matter how much you like his attitude, I don't think you want to count on him in overtime."
tt. 23, "Only if ZFL overtimes start getting decided by chess matches."

[illinifan999]

Yeah, well I have one young, star player rev. ;) And he may or may not be a part of the team next season.

[The Afoci]

Just a heads up on the fight for the top pick, Chicago has the best package so far.

[illinifan999]

My cat is looking at me weird, usually he's the only one that screams in the house. ;)

[sachmo71]

If Chicago get's the top pick, it had better be a SWEET package.

[illinifan999]

Why does everyone hate Chicago? I mean, our run of 1 year is done. We won't contend for a long time now. We're just too old. Knoxville on the other hand will probably win the next 5 titles with or without that defensive tackle.

[sachmo71]

BOOO! HISSS!!!

[revrew]

Trade away that one, young player, illini, and you're right about not contending for a while. With or without that star QB.

[illinifan999]

I won a championship without this star, so add a star QB, and I'm in the same boat as the inaqural season, just a lot older.

Schools over, let the typos begin. ;)

[JeeberD]

Wow, this looks to be a really interesting draft.

I love the back-and-forth between illini and revrew... :)

[NAIWF]

Chicago is just a difficult city to root for :D

[sachmo71]

Trade em away! Trade em away! :D

[illinifan999]

Trade who! Trade who! :D

[illinifan999]

So any idea of when the draft is going to start?

[The Afoci]

I am waiting for some more offers before I decide what to do. I am also deciding if I want to drop to second from last in the first round. But I will decide by tomorrow before noon central time.

[Coffee Warlord]

Portland hereby disavows any desire for the #1 overall pick in the draft.

However, Portland is entertaining any and all offers, should someone be interested in a trade.

[digamma]

The Necks also disavow interest in the #1 pick.
I would also consider trading up or down, if the right deal presented itself, however.

[NevStar]

Hey Portland,

I'll give you my 2nd round pick for your 1st round pick.

I just figured you were having financial problems, I saw Erik Flamebeard's weekly feed bill.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, we had a league official in here awhile back who mentioned something about cost overruns in Portland.

Erik ate him before he finished talking though. So we're in fine financial position.

[sachmo71]

*sigh*

[DolphinFan1]

Milwaukee also disavows any interest in the #1 pick. I pick 5th in the round. If anyone would like a trade, PM me. I will at least listen to offers.

[Coffee Warlord]

Trade you Tim the Troll for your entire draft class, Dolphin. :)

[DolphinFan1]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
Trade you Tim the Troll for your entire draft class, Dolphin. :)

What, do I look like Mike Ditka? ;)

[LebronJ]

Lebron says that he loves Cleveland. Lebron would love to see a Cleveland franchise pop up in this here sport.

[JAG]

Good drama. To keep or not keep the top pick...
Everyone compiling their draft boards and preparing their speaches to the media? "We couldn't believe F slipped into the second round, we had him projected..."

[revrew]

Keep in mind, owners, the change in drafting rules listed above:

***Even though we've waived expansion for this year, we're still looking at 4 rounds of draft. We'll also up the bench spots from 3 reserves to 5. Keep in mind, however, that if we do expand, we will likely need to expose more than 5 players.

I've initiated this rule change to add more depth to the league and make a future expansion more feasible. The added bonuses of this rule change are that there is more available talent at the top of the draft (Though last season's draft was awfully talented for a 3-round draft. Y'all lucked out a bit.) and you'll have more ability to groom backups for the many aging vets around the league.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
What, do I look like Mike Ditka? ;)

Oh fine fine. Your #1, #2, and #3 for him. :)

[revrew]

Is it wrong for the commish to jump in and remind the class that Tim the Troll suffered an injury? If it is, disregard this post.

[The Afoci]

With the suprising lack of anyones desire for the first pick overall, Fargo has decided to accept the trade of Chicago and will recieve their first and 3rd round picks and a talented young FB.

Chicago your on the clock.

[illinifan999]

Hot dang. Thank you The Afoci. Thank you Fargo.

And as no surprise to anyone with the first pick in the ZFL 2003 draft, the Chicago Eagles select from Virginia Tech University, Mike "Air" Marino. Oops, QB A. 22

LA is on the clock.


FYI, I will not be here from Wed-Sun. I don't know if I will have internet access, and if I do it will be limited.

[sachmo71]

1st, 3rd and a fullback? Can we veto trades?

[Marmel]

If anybody wants the #2 overall pick to get that stud DE (or whoever else you might need or want), please contact me. I would like another #1 pick and a later round pick in return plus another player with at least average skills at one of the following positions (I have enough D rated and worst, thanks):

WR
T
G
OLB
DE

Players from other positions will be considered, but these are my top priorities right now.

I will leave a small window of time to discuss a trade, and then I will make my pick if nothing works out. Thanks.

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by sachmo71
1st, 3rd and a fullback? Can we veto trades?

I assume you think I am getting screwed. Perhaps, but the FB is 21 and would instantly be come my second best player under 30. I need picks and young players and it was the best offer I recieved by far.

[digamma]

Nah, I think you are doing the screwing. Actually, it is probably a pretty fair price.

[Coffee Warlord]

I just cleaned out my PM box for the couple people that were trying to respond to my wheelings and dealings, FY.

[illinifan999]

I thought that maybe The Afoci got the better end of the deal, but I really need a QB. Really, really need a QB.

[revrew]

Birmingham should have made a better offer. Chicago got one easy, and they can probably pick up a FB in the second round to make up for the loss. Nice job holding Afoci to the fire, illini. Sorry, Fargo. I thought you'd get way better offers for that QB. Then again, he isn't quite 'Thumbless.' I'm really curious how Marmel will do. That DE is projected to be worth some serious bananas.

My thought is #1 overall QB = 2 first rounders + a player. Now, Ty Wick was a first rounder, if I remember right, but the 10th pick. So Fargo get's 9th pick, (last year's) 10th pick and a 29th pick for a #1. Close to what I expected, but not quite.

Illini, "Afoci got the better end of the deal"?? Who you kiddin? Still, I thought Milwaukee gave it away too easy last year, and both MW and KX obviously improved. This looks like a trade that will pay dividends for both teams, too, though it will take longer to see them.

And, illini, if you're going to be gone, can you PM me a hot list to draft for you in the second? Just in case we get that far, let me know who you'd like, and I can make the pick for you.

[illinifan999]

Ok, will do.

[illinifan999]

Ok it's sent.

[tucker342]

I didn't have a chance to send an offer:mad:

I was busy all yesterday.
Oh well...

[tucker342]

PM sent Marmel.

[Marmel]

Well, to the few offers we had on the table, I am going to have to say no.

While, our major needs are elsewhere, we are going for the BPA and selecting DE EE, now known as Toby McGwire.


I would be willing to trade him for a similar offer to what I posted above.

[tucker342]

Birmingham selects:

DE

FF now known as Atlantis

[Swaggs]

If anyone is interested in one of these RBs, Little Rock will be looking to move down a few slots.

Will deal the fourth pick for your first round pick and second round pick, or your first and a good young defensive player.

If I don't hear anything, I'll have my pick in by tomorrow evening.

[sachmo71]

Wow, the 4th pick might cost more than the first. Imagine that. :D

[Swaggs]

No decent trade offers.

My heart says go with the the offensive guard (Y), while my head says go for the defensive player, cornerback (TT).

I'm gonna have to go with the defensive player.

Little Rock selects CB (TT) Tommy "TNT" Toothpick.

Milwaukee is on the clock.

[DolphinFan1]

With the 5th pick in the 1st round, Milwaukee selects, CB- UU, He will be known as, "He's not JeeberD."

By the way, my other CB, JeeberD is on the trading block. PM me any offers. ;)

[revrew]

That's a good pick for you, Milwaukee.

Portland, you're on the clock.

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
With the 5th pick in the 1st round, Milwaukee selects, CB- UU, He will be known as, "He's not JeeberD."

By the way, my other CB, JeeberD is on the trading block. PM me any offers. ;)

LOL! If I can't be famous at least I can be infamous. :D

Hopefully you'll wind up cutting me so I can pick myself up when ever El Paso gets its team...

[DolphinFan1]

Originally posted by JeeberD
LOL! If I can't be famous at least I can be infamous. :D

Hopefully you'll wind up cutting me so I can pick myself up when ever El Paso gets its team...

I wanted everyone to remember you. :D

[Coffee Warlord]

Accepting offers to trade down in the 1st round, now that we're on the clock.

If I don't hear from anyone by the time I go home from work, I'll make my pick.

[revrew]

Regarding trades...I don't see much happening there. May I make a suggestion? If you're interested in trading up, please let others know immediately. Otherwise, let's get this draft moving. I'd like to see us draft several players daily, and that's not going to happen if some (I'm not singling you out, Coffee, just making a generalization and you, unfortunately, happen to be on the clock right now) are waiting for trade offers that aren't coming.

[Coffee Warlord]

With the 6th pick, Portland selects DT <b>Captain Bipto</b>, Mars. (AA)

[NevStar]

Breathing a sigh of relief, Albuquerque selects with the 7th pick:

HB F Guy Incognito

[sachmo71]

With the 8th pick in the draft...


I'll take OG Y, now and forever more known as Lone Star. It's such a natural fit. Might not be a huge need, but if I can take a top five guy down here at 7 I'm happy.

Oh yeah, if anyone needs an offensive guard, and you want to trade the farm, give me a ringie.

[revrew]

I'm impressed with the league's insistence on taking best talent available, rather than stretching for need. Some, like ABBQ and Milwaukee, have been able to get both, but this general practice may force me to amend future thoughts on how "Kiper" predicts the draft. I do see, however, that in the second and maybe third, there are some players that could make a big difference (even 3-4 victories in one case....not tellin' who) if teams can land the guy who will fit best. While the first round has been interesting, I can't wait to see how the feeding frenzy ensues in the second round.

Fargo, thanks to your trade, you're on the clock.

[The Afoci]

Fargo selects safety NN, to be known as Safety Boy.

[digamma]

With the final pick in the first round, Knoxville selects DT BB.

Welcome to the Rednecks, Josiah Jackson.

[The Afoci]

Sorry Dolphin, I gotta take the guy I need. The Fighting Crawfish select OT S, Stud.

[revrew]

Originally posted by digamma
With the final pick in the first round, Knoxville selects DT BB.

Welcome to the Rednecks, Josiah Jackson.

ooh, boy. Are y'all in tro-uuuuuble.

[DolphinFan1]

Originally posted by The Afoci
Sorry Dolphin, I gotta take the guy I need. The Fighting Crawfish select OT S, Stud.

That's ok the guy I wanted was gone anyway.

[sachmo71]

Originally posted by revrew
ooh, boy. Are y'all in tro-uuuuuble.

Explain, please?

[tucker342]

Originally posted by revrew
ooh, boy. Are y'all in tro-uuuuuble.

uh oh...

[revrew]

The point is, Knoxville will be getting a quality player at a position they need. With Josiah Jackson in place, Knoxville is going to be good for a good long time. Or as tucker expalained "uh oh...."

[tucker342]

It's Marmel's pick right?

[Marmel]

A bit of a stretch, but LA selects:

Outside Lineback JJ, now known as Ray Romano.
:)

[revrew]

ooh, Marmel is going for the Chicago-style, shut everybody out and it doesn't matter if I can't score approach. Interesting strategy.

[Marmel]

not really by choice rev.....I weighed my needs vs. what was left in the draft pool, and the OLB position matched up the best. Coming into the draft, I was planning on focusing on offense, but my hand was forced. I supposed I could have drafted that OG first round, but my strategy turned into bulk the defense up and then work on offense in the future, as I know I won't be competative for another few years. *shrug*

[revrew]

If both of those draft picks pan out (as in, not busts), you may be competitive sooner than that. I suspect Little Val Kilmer is going to have plenty of work to do...

[tucker342]

Birmingham selects: Fullback J. now named Nymph

[Marmel]

Originally posted by revrew
If both of those draft picks pan out (as in, not busts), you may be competitive sooner than that. I suspect Little Val Kilmer is going to have plenty of work to do...

The hope is that my QB can improve enough to be servicable, and then next year pick up an impact guy or two on offense. That draft bust last year hurt, and I am hoping the OLB will be a bit of a breakout to make up for last year. ;)

[Swaggs]

Little Rock is pleased to find first round talent still available and will select Fullback (K.) Brian Dozer.

Milwaukee is on the clock.

[DolphinFan1]

This will be a bit of a stretch, but I have to go for need here. With the 5th pick in the 2nd round Milwaukee selects, Safety OO, age 21, AKA, Brock "Please don't throw the ball my way" Marion.

[Coffee Warlord]

With the 6th pick in the 2nd round, Portland selects <b>WR Khan Ogadai</b>, Khan of the Golden Hoarde. (O)

[NevStar]

The Isotopes select:

DE Strong Bad (GG), Crazy Go Nuts University

[sachmo71]

With the 8th pick in the second round, San Antonio takes HB G, also known as Mutt.


Chicago is on the clock.

[tucker342]

(from Birmingham)
Hey Nashville, what positions do you need depth at, cause I would like to get that final pick in the second round from you.

[tucker342]

actually, nevermind. I'll just cross my fingers...

[illinifan999]

Nevstar,

Shhh....That never happened. You didnt read this post before. ;)

With the real 9th pick Chicago takes Fullback L out of the University of North Carolina.

[NevStar]

I remember that I used to have important information for illinifan here. Or maybe it was just a dream.

Oh well.

[digamma]

Knoxville has traded its second round pick to Milwaukee for its third and fourth round picks in this year's draft.

[DolphinFan1]

With the final pick in the 2nd round the Milwaukee Muscle Men select, Kicker- WW. He will be called, Bruce "I'll kick your butt" Handily.

Thanks Digamma.

[illinifan999]

Originally posted by revrew
ooh, Marmel is going for the Chicago-style, shut everybody out and it doesn't matter if I can't score approach. Interesting strategy.

Great to see that I have a style. ;) Marmel it won one championship for me, your next. ;) Scoring is so overrated.

[The Afoci]

With the first pick in the third round, Fargo selects DE GG, aka Gus.

[digamma]

GG sure is popular. I think that is the third time he's been picked. :)

[The Afoci]

Not Gus, damn it. I will wait until tomorrow when hopefully the board is updated.

[illinifan999]

LOL!!! :D :D

Don't worry The Afoci, I made the same mistake too. :)

[sachmo71]

I hope Rev is ok...

[The Afoci]

I hope GG busts btw. Anyway, I hope rev is okay too.
I select OLB KK, The Real Gus!

[NevStar]

Originally posted by The Afoci
I hope GG busts btw. Anyway, I hope rev is okay too.
I select OLB KK, The Real Gus!

...and I hope Les Cherry gives your daughter (another) uncurable disease.

Oh, and I also hope revrew's ok.

[The Afoci]

I have no daughters yet, but when I do, les will probably be fed to the crawfish.

[revrew]

Revrew's OK. Had to make a spur of the moment trip to Madison, WI. But I'm back. Let's continue to pick up the pace, gentlemen. Look for rules changes on next year's draft to compel us to move more swiftly.

MW/KX The trade has been registered. Remember, however, you can only keep 5 guys on your bench. (It was 3; we've bumped it up to 5. I don't suspect we'll bump it again.)

[Marmel]

Is it me? And has the initial draft pool been updated (as far as unhighlighting the players that have already been drafted)?

[revrew]

Yes, Marmel, you're up with L.A. after Fargo selected OLB KK "The Real Gus". And yes, unless I accidentally missed someone, the draft list should be fully updated.

[Marmel]

LA selects Halfback H, now known as Jerry Seinfeld.

[Swaggs]

Little Rock selects QB (B.) David "Don't Call Me Klingler" Slinger.

[tucker342]

I pick before you Little Rock, unless something happened that I missed. If I'm right, than I select QB (B.) Zeus Reloaded

[tucker342]

If I'm wrong than I select QB (C.) He will also be named Zeus Reloaded...

[Swaggs]

My bad...I just assumed Marmel's team was the only one worse than me. :)

Little Rock selects QB (C.) David "Don't Call Me Klingler" Slinger.

[digamma]

Knoxville selects Kicker WW.
Eli Manning

[tucker342]

almost, but not quite

[digamma]

sorry. I meant XX. He is still Eli Manning.
Though if he were XXX I might have to name him Vin Diesel, but I digress.

[revrew]

Oops, sorry I didn't catch the BH/LR snafoo. Here's how it was supposed to break down:

BH selects QB (B.) Zeus Reloaded
LR selects QB (C.) David Slinger

KX (after trade with MW) selects K (XX.) Eli Manning

Portland, you're on the clock.

[Coffee Warlord]

Portland selects S <b>Black Mage</b> (PP)

[NevStar]

The Isotopes select -

FB M Professor Frink

[sachmo71]

With the 8th pick in the third round, San Antonio takes Outside Linebacker Rakeface (LL).


I apologize to the other owners for the delay. I lost track of where we were in the order. I should have kept checking the thread.

[The Afoci]

With the 9th pick, Fargo selects WR P, Tarek.

[digamma]

Knoxville selects MLB HH. Mullet Jackson.

[The Afoci]

With the 1st pick in the 4th round, Fargo selects CB nn, Burned Deeperer.

[Marmel]

LA selects OT T, now known as Jeff Probst

[sachmo71]

You said Probst.

[revrew]

I'm gone Friday-Sunday, so won't be able to update the board. But let's get this thing moving so we can have the draft done by Monday. I've got all kinds of info to get out to you guys, just waiting for the draft to be done. We've got roster cuts to make, etc., so let's move, move, move!

L.A. just picked, so Birmingham, I believe, you're on the clock.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm gone this weekend as well, so if my pick doesn't roll around, I'll PM my picks to rev or, since he'll be gone, someone else on the board.

[illinifan999]

You can PM them to me. If you do in order of preference please. ;)

[illinifan999]

LOL!!! Sorry rev Fullback L is named Josh Hackenstein.
He kinda went back and forth over ISU and UNC and decided to just go to both. ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

Ardent has my list of picks for the 4th rounder.

If any of you who are done with your picks catch this in the next hour (by about 3:30-4 central time), PM me, and I'll send them to you.

Edit: Bah! Ardent's chickening out. Wimp. :)

Illini, since I'm about ready to leave, and you're the only one online, you're getting my picks. Don't screw me. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola: Illinifan and Afoci have my draft board. Whoever makes the pick first gets to name him. :)

[illinifan999]

I feel the power. ;)

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by illinifan999
I feel the power. ;)

I'll give you a shiny nickle if you name him JeeberD II... ;)

[DolphinFan1]

Originally posted by JeeberD
I'll give you a shiny nickle if you name him JeeberD II... ;)

Do you really want to go there?:D

[tucker342]

oh shit! I didn't know we were doing 4 rounds! Opps, gotta make my pick...

[tucker342]

Sorry about that guys!

Birmingham selects: Offensive Tackle - cc

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
Do you really want to go there?:D

Well, he couldn't be any worse than the original, could he? :D

[illinifan999]

Bump

[sachmo71]

Little Rock is up. What are the odds on this thing getting finished by Monday? :D

Sorry Rev.

[Swaggs]

Little Rock selects MLB (ii) Squid Largus.

[digamma]

Knoxville selects WR Q. Michael Jackson.

[illinifan999]

Is Portland up now? If they are here is Coffee's pick:

K YY who shall be named Bob Sunesson.

[NevStar]

Albequerque selects:

OLB Douglas (MM)

San Antonio is on the clock.

[sachmo71]

San Antonio takes QB aa, now known as Les Stiff. Get it? :)

[revrew]

sachmo, illini, digamma. In that order. Gentlemen, make your picks or PM me your draft preferences so I can make the picks. This draft will conclude Monday, or final picks may be forfeited.

After that, I will PM your rosters so you can make necessary cuts and/or trades (one of you still has a roster hole, with no one to play the position).

Then, you will have until Friday am (AT THE LATEST) to make cuts and/or trades. Week one games will begin on Friday, unless everyone gets their cuts in before then. If you have not made cuts by then, I will make the cuts for you, as intelligently and honestly as I can.

I'm layin' down the law on this, simply becuase I have seen other cooperative threads fizzle out for lack of quick progression. As the commish, responsible for looking out for the good of the league, I will not allow the ZFL to die just because GMs were slow to respond. This league will go on, as long as there is interest, and as long as I have anything to say about it. This year's draft has bogged down way too long as it is, and we need to get the momentum going again.

Besides, I think you all (especially Birmingham) will want to know how your draft picks turned out, right? ;)

[revrew]

oops. Nice job, sachmo. Illini, you're up!

[illinifan999]

With the 9th pick Chicago selects out out Pitt Steve Williams. CB pp. Digamma your up.

[digamma]

Mr. Irrelevant is DT ff. Giovanni Jackson

[sachmo71]

Ah, I forgot to draft a DE. So, do I HAVE to trade, or can I do a cut-n'-sign? Can't believe I forgot...

[tucker342]

You could say that Rev.... I think I had a pretty good draft.

How many roster spots do we get?

[JAG]

Originally posted by illinifan999
...Chicago selects CB pp...

I doubt this will be the guy to firm up a leaky pass defense.

I'm sorry, that was a shitty joke. I'll go piss off. :)

JAG

[illinifan999]

LOL, took me awhile to figure taht one out. :)

[revrew]

Originally posted by tucker342
You could say that Rev.... I think I had a pretty good draft.

How many roster spots do we get?

Pretty good draft??? Now that the draft is over, I can let you in on a little insider information. You had 4 picks. Your top overall pick is just the stud you thought he was. The next three picks, were ALL BREAK-OUTS. Your draft was so good, you'll be challenging Knoxville next year. There's like, 7 or 8 breakouts in the draft, only 5 or so of which get drafted, and tuckers snags 3 of them!

BTW, you have 18 starters and 5 reserves to work with.

Sachmo...yep, you forgot to draft DE. But at this point, you would probably be more pleased with a trade than with cut and sign. Might I suggest you talk to AQ, BH, or LA. Each of them has a young DE on reserve that might stopgap for you.

[sachmo71]

Let the trading begin. Check your PM's, boys. Anyone else who is interested in trading me a DE, please let me know. I've only contacted those that Rev mentioned.

[revrew]

Kiper's Post-Draft Analysis
Of course, only time will tell how each of these draft classes pan out, but just at first glance, here's how I grade 'em.


Los Angeles: A- "Regardless of many fans' disappointment with this draft, L.A. nonetheless made some outstanding draft decisions. By drafting best-available players at two of the only weak spots on their defense, the Stars have built a young, dominant D that will win games with or without an offense. The "Star Crunch" will soon be recognized as one sweet treat for L.A. fans. Grabbing HB Jerry Seinfeld in the third was a steal for the Stars, and he should provide some punch in the future."

Fargo: B "They're younger and deeper. They've filled in the gaps. This will be an important draft for the Crawfish in years to come. FB Ty Wick, OT Stud, and S Safety Boy give Fargo a talented young core. It's just a bit disappointing, however, that they weren't able to land a real star player. Nonetheless, Fargo will get much better with this draft."

Chicago: C+ "Losing Vincent Steele was a nightmare for illinifan. Losing Ty Wick had to hurt, too. But it appears as though QB Mike "Air" Marino and their second-round fullback selection will fill both voids. Chicago, however, is getting older and they've done little to address that. Though illini did little more in this draft than replace lost players, give him credit for being able to do that."

San Antonio: C- "At first glance, this looks like a miserable draft for the Margaritas. They didn't adress any weaknesses, didn't make a move to fill the gaping hole at DE, and didn't upgrade much at any position. What were they doing? They were preparing for the future, that's what. OG Da Man is 36 years old, and bringing in OG Lone Star will preserve San Antonio's solid guard spot for years to come. And if HB Mutt can mature in that position, he will be an excellent runner, especially as FB Metalhead puts on the years."

Portland: D "Portland seems to be another old team just planning for the future. While WR Khan Ogadai is an upgrade and good pick for Portland, DT Captain Bipto wasn't really a needed position, and S Black Mage will have to grow into the spot. The future looks good for the Sea Biscuits, but this draft doesn't look to help them much for this year."

Milwaukee: B+ "Milwaukee had one glaring need, and they addressed it with CB He's Not JeeberD. That pick alone earns Milwaukee a good grade. And I really like the decision to trade up for kicker Bruce 'I'll kick your butt' Handily. Milwuakee is still faced with oodles of mediocrity, but this was a good draft for them."

Little Rock: C+ "If CB Tommy 'TNT' Toothpick pans out, he'll be a good pick up for the Willies. And FB Brian Dozer will help Rajah Saleem get the props he deserves. But Little Rock has a long way to go on defense, and I thought they could have addressed some need spots better. Though this draft doesn't excite me, it should be decent for Little Rock."

Albuquerque: B+ "The Isotopes did a good job of filling in need positions. They will be a stronger team, and it should be reflected in their record this year. I would have given them a higher grade if any of the draftees seemed like steals. But give NevStar respect; he's doing what needs to be done to contend for the title."

Birmingham: A+ "No one had a better draft than the Olympians. Every one of their draftees comes in with great attitude and a big upside. DE Another Atlantis fills a big need spot, and I really like FB Nymph and QB Zeus Reloaded. If those guys all realize their potential, this draft class will be remembered in Alabama as "The Draft of 2003." I originally thought B'ham made a mistake not trading up for Mike Marino, but getting Zeus Reloaded in the third should be the icing on an already sweet cake."

Knoxville: B "A fairly good draft for the Rednecks. They needed an upgrade at kicker; they got it. They needed an upgrade in their linebackers, and they took a good gamble on MLB Mullet Jackson. In a few years, DT Josiah Jackson should be very solid. If he's good sooner, I pity the rest of the league."

[illinifan999]

Next year hopefully we'll be able to address our older playrs. (Shit I would need every pick to do that) ;)

Hopefully we won't get any injuries. **wink**wink**

[sachmo71]

Way to go with the A+, Birmingham!

[revrew]

Your rosters have been sent out. Please consider trades, and then consider who you will cut from your roster to get down to the maximum 23-player limit.

Some of you will be surprised at how little your older players are degenerating. The fall-off in their talent will accelerate the older they get. And while a few players may be able to Warren Moon it (keep playing after 40) -- L.A.s Ed Norton stands a good chance -- most will have lost too much by then to continue playing on your rosters.

The starting lineups match what your "scout" deems best, but if you prefer, bench players can be substituted at your own risk.

Please P.M. me by Friday with which players you choose to cut from your roster. Cut players cannot be picked up by any other current owners.

[illinifan999]

Almost the same exact roster ratings as last year except the QB is a straight grade instead of a +. Since I have only 4 reserve playres I don't need to worry about cuts right?

[Marmel]

Rev, your inbox is full.

[Coffee Warlord]

Attention all ZFL'rs.

'B' rated Defensive Tackle Maximillion Powers, age 31, is on the trading block.

[tucker342]

HELL YA!!!!:D

[tucker342]

inbox is full Rev...

PM sent sachmo

[tucker342]

Birmingham has OT 32 B Poseidon on the trading block! Badly need a DT. PM me!

[Coffee Warlord]

Portland wishes to announce a trade.

Defensive Tackle Maximillion Powers has been traded to Birmingham for Offensive Tackle Poseidon, and their 3rd round draft pick next season.

[tucker342]

I was just about to post that:D

[Coffee Warlord]

Ha ha!

[DolphinFan1]

My reserve S- He-Man is on the trading block. He is C rated and 26 years old. PM me any offers.

[Swaggs]

Is it too late to change my name to the Bengals?

[NevStar]

Albequerque announces they have acquired OG Block(22) from San Antonio in exchange for DE Jimbo Jones(24).

San Antonio gets a much-needed warm body at DE, while the Isotopes get a reserve OG to groom to replace the aging Clancy Wiggum.

We're shopping for a FB & LB's. PM me with any offers.

[Coffee Warlord]

3 more Sea Biscuits on the trading block, if anyone is in need.

OT Gustov Gustovson (C+) (30)
WR Werner Voss (C) (26)
K Vladimir Von Vladimir (C) (26)

I'm looking for anything in the way of QB, FB, DE or OLB.

[revrew]

Sorry about the inbox being full. I was fooled into thinking it was relatively empty by the "last 20 days" thing. Didn't realize I had a bunch of old ones clogging it up.

Cleared out now.

Because of the snafoo, I haven't yet received any trimmed rosters.

Excellent trading action, gentlemen. Good to see it.

[revrew]

Training Camp & Rookie Reports

Los Angeles "DE Toby McGwire is spanking and abusing OT veterans Rob Lowe and Tom Cruise. It seems only Freddie Prinze, Jr. can stop the rookie his teammates have nicknamed 'Spiderman,' and even then, only sometimes. OLB Ray Romano looks inconsistent and immature in his play. HB Jerry Seinfeld may take the starting job away from Adam Sandler."

Fargo "OT Stud, S Safety Boy, FB-transfer Ty Wick, CB Burned Deeperer, and even youngster WR Tarek appear to all be settling into starting roles. The coaches are still looking for someone to step up and really impress them, but the fresh enthusiasm in Fargo looks to be good for the team."

Chicago "'Mike Marino is taking the reins well,' GM illinifan reports. 'He's not playing at Vincent Steele's level yet, but in a few years he will be. We're very impressed with him.' The Eagles' young fullback has been a big surprise -- Fundamentally very sound, and HB Randy Steele is thrilled to be running behind such solid blocks."

San Antonio "OG Lone Star has looked so impressive in camp, he may arrest the starting job from last year's breakout, Pancake. HB Mutt will definitely be pushing Ron Dayne, too."

Portland "DT Captain Bipto is playing right up to speed with solid vet Maximillion Powers, and may get the nod on opening day. QB Ivan Ivanivich is thrilled to have such a big, solid target in WR Khan Ogadai."

Milwaukee "Darn tootin' he's not JeeberD. The rookie CB has given vet WR The Flash fits by playing relentless cover D. Rookie Safety Brock Marion isn't doing too bad a job on WR Conan, either. Look for Brock to make a charge to start this season. The big news, however, may be the infectious spirit of Bruce 'I'll kick your butt' Handily. The smallish kicker has dazzled coaches and teammates with fiery competitiveness and dogged determination."

Little Rock "Coaches thus far have been unable to get CB Tommy 'TNT' Toothpick to adjust to the ZFL-style game. There's murmers and strife in the locker room. If he doesn't start producing soon, the 'TNT' situation may prove explosive. FB Brian Dozer, however, is playing well and has all but won the starting spot."

Albuquerque: "Much is expected of rookies RB Guy Incognito, FB Professor Frink, and DE Strong Bad. So far, the rooks have handled the pressure pretty well. They should all be ready to start come opening day, but may need some time to really shine."

Birmingham "Good golly! The coaches had no idea what would happen when they handed rookie FB Nymph the ball. But after plowing through stud DT Hera, sidestepping vet OLB Arkantos, and scoring a 12-yard TD the first time he touched the ball, they're beginning to wonder what Nymph can't do. 'We landed ourselves the biggest steal in ZFL history!' brags GM tucker. Aging star HB Artemis may extend his career sharing carries with this break-out, dynamite young rookie. But that ain't all. Third round QB Zeus Reloaded is showing his coaches that some sequels are better than the original. 'He's got great field vision and accuracy,' says GM tucker. 'Sombody finally gonna get me the ball!' shouted WR Revrew after just one minicamp with Zeus 'ZR' Reloaded. Even their fourth round OT looks way better than advertised. If this talent carries through to the regular season, GM tucker will be regarded as the best, or at least the luckiest, draft-day GM in the league. Oh, and by the way, first round pick Another Atlantis is every bit as impressive as they thought he would be, too."

Knoxville "The rookies are having a hard time breaking into the lineup on an already talented Knoxville squad. Young Josiah Jackson will get the nod, as will kicker Eli Manning, but neither has really wowed anyone just yet. Give the young class time, Knoxville will be a bit busy winning titles for a while."

[revrew]

Two retirement announcements:

Former San Antonio Margarita, 35-yr old defensive tackle Spare announces his retirement from football. His future plans are to work alongside "Refrigerator" Perry in bricklaying.

Former San Antonio Margarita, 35-yr old safety Stumble announces his retirement from football. His future plans are to continue practicing with hopes of becoming a professional hackey-sacker. Good luck, Stumble!

[revrew]

More retirement:

Former Albuquerque Isotope, 35-year old halfback, Martin "Team Discovery Channel" Prince announces his retirement from football. Future plans include filming documentaries on jock itch for The Discovery Channel.

[tucker342]

PM sent Rev

[revrew]

Trade announcement

San Antonio trades next year's (code: 2004) 4th round draft pick to Milwaukee in exchange for 26-year-old Safety He-Man.

(In otherwords, sach and Dolphin, YES, there will be a fourth round)

[sachmo71]

Woo hoo!