What will the outcome be of the mid terms?

[Lathum]

10 days out, how will things go?

[Kodos]

I’m praying that the abortion is going to drive a blue wave of women that the polls are overlooking. And people who want to save democracy.

[Lathum]

I’m praying that the abortion is going to drive a blue wave of women that the polls are overlooking. And people who want to save democracy.

I am really hoping so also. Early voting looks good for Dems, but I just have this sense of foreboding.

I do think the polls could really be off. There is no way women under the age of 27 are accurately represented. They don't have land lines and aren't answering for unknows numbers on the cells. The key is are these women motivated?

[henry296]

I am really hoping so also. Early voting looks good for Dems, but I just have this sense of foreboding.

I do think the polls could really be off. There is no way women under the age of 27 are accurately represented. They don't have land lines and aren't answering for unknows numbers on the cells. The key is are these women motivated?

Do you think they respond to unsolicited texts as polls. I get at least one per day.

[GrantDawg]

I was optimistic at one point, but the closer it gets the more I believe it will be a Red Wave. Even the worst candidates like Oz and Walker get elected. Our future as a country is pretty grim.

[sterlingice]

I was optimistic at one point, but the closer it gets the more I believe it will be a Red Wave. Even the worst candidates like Oz and Walker get elected. Our future as a country is pretty grim.

I'll just go with what I posted in one of the other threads:

Remember, for like a few minutes, when we could pretend that overturning Roe v Wade might lead to a tiny, close victory in one midterm that might be tenuously be held until the next Presidential election, assuming the Supreme Court somehow doesn't agree with the independent state legislature theory by the narrowest of margins? We almost could pretend that trading reproductive rights might give us 3 more years of normalcy until the next would be despot comes along and breaks our democracy for at least a generation.

SI

[Lathum]

Do you think they respond to unsolicited texts as polls. I get at least one per day.

Not a chance.

[JeeberD]

I’m praying that the abortion is going to drive a blue wave of women that the polls are overlooking. And people who want to save democracy.

This. But I'm an eternal optimist, and my hopes and dreams are often dashed by reality.

Do you think they respond to unsolicited texts as polls. I get at least one per day.

All the political texts I receive get sent to my spam folder by default...even Beto's.

[larrymcg421]

In order of likelihood...

1) Split - Dems keep S, GOP takes H
2) Red Wave - GOP takes both.
3) Blue Wave - Dems take both.
4) Split - GOP takes S, Dems keep H

[Lathum]

Mark Halperen was on the radio today (yes I know his history) saying it is more likely republicans pick up 4 senate seats then the dems maintaining 50/50. I find that hard to believe.

[flere-imsaho]

Just came back from early voting in the deep blue Chicago suburbs (roughly 2:00 PM, so not lunchtime) and it's easily the busiest I've seen it for early voting. Like, by an order of magnitude.

Won't change anything locally, because all of the races were really contested in the Democratic primaries, but I guess that makes it more noteworthy?

[Solecismic]

Mark Halperen was on the radio today (yes I know his history) saying it is more likely republicans pick up 4 senate seats then the dems maintaining 50/50. I find that hard to believe.

+4 is a no-miss wave - everything close cuts their way. Beyond that requires Patty Murray or Michael Bennet, and I think even the least realistic on the red side aren't really going there. Though, these days, if you want to get on television, you have to be out there.

0 or even -1 isn't that hard to fathom. And even -2 would only require someone who has very little middle-road cred, like J.D. Vance or Ron Johnson, falling short. My sense, being in Ohio, is that Vance is pretty safe. But not like Patty Murray safe.

I think I'll end up at +1 or +2 for the Republicans, but we know Georgia's going to Georgia and decide it in December. At which point, who knows, Trump could throw another fit and piss Georgia off all over again. I see 0 as a lot more likely than +4.

Congress, though. That's not going to be very close.

[CrimsonFox]

please stop depressing me lathum

[Izulde]

Dems barely keep Senate, Republicans take House easily is my prediction.

[Brian Swartz]

I agree with Izulde.

[NobodyHere]

I'll probably vote for him, but I still think Tim Ryan needs a new campaign team. His TV ads are awful.

[joe the wanderer]

we're doomed

[Lathum]

Tomorrow is going to be a disaster. I’m hearing pollsters say Lee Zeldin is going to win NY ffs.

[Edward64]

I'll be glad to never see another Warnock and Walker ad ever again.

[larrymcg421]

I'll be glad to never see another Warnock and Walker ad ever again.

It could go to runoff.

[Edward64]

It could go to runoff.

Good point.

I don't know about regular cable, but it's crazy on YT. And it's the same ads over and over. Wonder how much something like that costs.

[Lathum]

If the senate comes down to a run off between Walker and Warnock the amount of money spent will be astronomical.

[Solecismic]

Tomorrow is going to be a disaster. I’m hearing pollsters say Lee Zeldin is going to win NY ffs.

It surprised pollsters - there have been very few in the state, and only one (Trafalgar) has shown a Zeldin lead, and that was less than 1%. Still, 538 has Hochul at 97% and PredictIt is pricing Hochul shares at 80 cents. It might be hard to call it right off the bat tomorrow, but I'd be surprised if it ended up being all that close.

It looks like a typical mid-term for a president in recession.

[Brian Swartz]

I'm actually leaning more towards it not being as bad for Democrats as people are expecting. Still Republican gains but not as much as the doom and gloom approach. I think the only reason they're going to get much of anything is inflation. There's too much else that has gone against them, and Biden's approval is 4-5 points higher than it was in July.

I could be completely wrong, but the info I've seen - caveat about polling being our best indicator but not as reliable as it once was - doesn't show a massive red wave.

[Brian Swartz]

As an example, proposal 3 in Michigan aims to undo Dobbs in the state and go beyond that, enshrining in the state constitution a right to abortion. The latest poll I know of is 55-41 in favor though the gap is closing, and it's going to drive turnout here IMO based on the fact that roughly 80% of the political activity I see is mocking the anti-proposal 3 crowd. It's a much bigger issue than the governor's race, at least where I live.

Not that there will be traction about this kind of thing everywhere in the country, I know there won't be. And other than '16, Michigan being blue doesn't surprise anyone. But there's still a lot of people around here who don't like Gov. Whitmer because of the covid response, the whole 'this mask is as useless as my governor' stuff, etc. They are all getting drowned out right now.

[Brian Swartz]

Looks like 538 is trending the other way heading into the election though. You're not often going to be right betting against them :( Final forecast is 84% chance of republicans taking the house, 59% taking the Senate, but governorships not really moving the needle with the same overall split each way, a couple flipping in each direction.

Of course the worst part of it I think is how many Big Lie proponents are favored to win.

[CrimsonFox]

I will be voted Queen of the Universe!

[Ksyrup]

The reality is, people are desensitized to the extreme/violent rhetoric (they've been living it on social media, so its extension to politics is, sadly, nothing shocking) and apparently don't believe anything will really happen to our country despite evidence something serious is brewing. So, those who aren't Trump/GOP fanboys are treating this like a normal election and voting with their pocketbooks. Issues like abortion don't move the needle because most people don't think they'll ever be affected by it, or are ambivalent, or actually agree even if it's not a top issue for them.

It's infuriating to see seemingly normal people interviewed on the news and discussing candidates either on their merits or just laundry listing "fate of democracy" as one of the issues along with "grocery bill." I get it, I'm fortunately in a situation where I can absorb the extra costs, but I get the feeling these people would flip if they really thought their lives would change for the worse with an authoritarian in charge. But it seems like the prevailing thought is, "This is America, we may have our issues but we're not like other countries and that kind of stuff doesn't happen here." I've even talked to someone who used J6 as proof that we will never face a situation in which the worst-case scenario comes true.

[JPhillips]

It's crazy to me how Dems have pretty much just given up on FL.

[sterlingice]

The reality is, people are desensitized to the extreme/violent rhetoric (they've been living it on social media, so its extension to politics is, sadly, nothing shocking) and apparently don't believe anything will really happen to our country despite evidence something serious is brewing. So, those who aren't Trump/GOP fanboys are treating this like a normal election and voting with their pocketbooks. Issues like abortion don't move the needle because most people don't think they'll ever be affected by it, or are ambivalent, or actually agree even if it's not a top issue for them.

It's infuriating to see seemingly normal people interviewed on the news and discussing candidates either on their merits or just laundry listing "fate of democracy" as one of the issues along with "grocery bill." I get it, I'm fortunately in a situation where I can absorb the extra costs, but I get the feeling these people would flip if they really thought their lives would change for the worse with an authoritarian in charge. But it seems like the prevailing thought is, "This is America, we may have our issues but we're not like other countries and that kind of stuff doesn't happen here." I've even talked to someone who used J6 as proof that we will never face a situation in which the worst-case scenario comes true.

It's also a little bit of a hard sell to tell people "they're setting up to steal 2024" - there's like a lack of urgency there. Joe Biden is President - they can't do anything about that so "we can deal with that in 2024 if it materializes". Like it's something minor to check off the grocery list. Or something that you can stop once we're already so many steps down the road. I mean, there's a decent case that the die was already cast in 2016 Trump's Supreme Court choices and Moore vs Harper - and there's nothing to stop it now.

Don't worry, if it does happen, a ton of people will just go along with it with justifications like "this was legally done", not because it was legal but because people in power did it and they seem immune from real consequences and little more than abstract criticism. And as they watch their lives get worse in ways ranging from rights to economy, it's ok because those other people, the ones who were supposed to get hurt, they got hurt more.

SI

[Lathum]

Of course the worst part of it I think is how many Big Lie proponents are favored to win.

This. People like Kari Lake will put in SOS who will subvert the will of the electorate. I believe it was the guy in Wisconsin who said if he wins republicans will never lose another election there again.

[Ksyrup]

It's also a little bit of a hard sell to tell people "they're setting up to steal 2024" - there's like a lack of urgency there. Joe Biden is President - they can't do anything about that so "we can deal with that in 2024 if it materializes". Like it's something minor to check off the grocery list. Or something that you can stop once we're already so many steps down the road. I mean, there's a decent case that the die was already cast in 2016 Trump's Supreme Court choices and Moore vs Harper - and there's nothing to stop it now.

Don't worry, if it does happen, a ton of people will just go along with it with justifications like "this was legally done", not because it was legal but because people in power did it and they seem immune from real consequences and little more than abstract criticism. And as they watch their lives get worse in ways ranging from rights to economy, it's ok because those other people, the ones who were supposed to get hurt, they got hurt more.

SI

Well, if they change enough laws with the power they have, a lot of this will become legal by the time the complete takeover happens.

[Ksyrup]

See, it's all about getting a good laugh - that takes the edge off the extremism. Yes, you've got your diehard, militia types ready to do the dirty work when the time comes. But in the suburbs and retirement villages, it's much easier to digest "reclaiming the country by whatever means necessary" when it's couched in laughs and entertainment.

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[JPhillips]

The GOP is a threat to democracy and eventually, they are going to win an election. There's no way to stop it other than the GOP deciding they aren't going to be authoritarian and that seems very unlikely.

[Ksyrup]

And BTW, that signpost was supposedly in a CT yard.

[Ksyrup]

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[Ksyrup]

Yet another "here's the response when the attacks come tonight or tomorrow morning" about an Oz victory being "stolen":

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘I want to be very clear’ that when people target Philly later tonight for being slow to count ballots, it’s because Rs sued to force a procedure no other PA county follows, says the *GOP* member of the Phillly voting board. <a href="https://t.co/ibgAVIElbp">https://t.co/ibgAVIElbp</a></p>&mdash; Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) <a href="https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1589995927997239297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Izulde]

This. People like Kari Lake will put in SOS who will subvert the will of the electorate. I believe it was the guy in Wisconsin who said if he wins republicans will never lose another election there again.

Tim Michaels said that yes. It's one of the clips most commonly played in the YouTube attack ads, along with the lawsuits from women who worked at his company

[Ksyrup]

Florida numbers are looking brutal, Trump's vote against DeSantis isn't going to help!

Seriously, I don't know what the numbers typically look like, but last I saw, in DADE COUNTY, R's were over 50% registered having voted and Dems at 37%.

[Lathum]

the predictit markets have things looking very, very, bad for the dems.

[Solecismic]

A lot of the PredictIt movement today reverses very recent changes. It's still, after all, a market that has to respond to betting. I don't think exit polling has been released anywhere.

I can't handle five minutes of "news" coverage on either side. They have decided, if the "other side" wins, it means an end to democracy and civil war and all varieties of Armageddon.

We are stronger than that. Just don't listen to those people. They get ratings by scaring us, pissing us off. If you feel we need a national law supporting abortion rights, get out there and vote for legislators who support abortion rights. It should have happened decades ago, but it never did.

You know what a bad day for democracy was? The day John Kennedy was killed. And democracy survived just fine.

Yes, it's going to be a bad day for Democrats. That's normal for midterms in a poor economy. It has happened before and it will happen again. Take the L and spend the next two years working on the economy. Stop gaslighting that high inflation isn't terrible or doesn't exist - we've been told all our lives we need to plan for retirement and inflation spoils those plans.

[Brian Swartz]

I'm one of those people. Not because the other side winning is bad for democracy. In a vacuum, it's not. When the other side is on record as being against democracy, as not being willing to accept the outcome of elections, as promoting the Big Lie - not just as a party in certain elements, but hundreds of specific state-level candidates expected to win today - then the other side winning is a defeat for democracy. Effectively what is happening then is people willingly vote to not have their vote count in the future.

If you feel we need a national law supporting abortion rights, get out there and vote for legislators who support abortion rights. It should have happened decades ago, but it never did.

100% this though. These issues can absolutely be resolved by enough people caring about them, which includes accepting imperfect candidates on other issues to get them done.

I just voted myself. Anecdotally, fewer people there than usual. Could just be the time I went, I'm not consistent with that. One person at a 'Dixon for Governor' table outside which I haven't seen at this location before. They were completely behaving themselves though, not approaching prospective voters, staying the requisite distance from the building, etc. I'm in an area where Trump hats are fairly common, so I expect this precinct will definitely go heavy to Dixon.

[Ksyrup]

When the best hope we have for just normal "gridlock" if the GOP takes Congress is people like McConnell and McCarthy tamping down on the performative BS, I don't have much hope. I think it's a near certainty they impeach one or more Biden administration officials, including Biden, make Fauci spend most of his retirement attending Covid hearings, getting referred for criminal charges, etc., and establishing a slew of investigative committees that will undo most of the factual narratives that have been established on J6, Covid, antifa, etc.

And then there will be your "both sides" argument for 2024 - with "EVIDENCE!"

[Brian Swartz]

They can impeach all they want but won't have the votes to convict. The January 6th hearings showed how much Congress has the power to shift public opinion in that way; they had no impact whatsoever. People have other sources now. Congress can't compete with social media.

I'm more concerned with 2024 and afterwards. Even if the doom-and-gloom 'slow moving coup' scenario doesn't pan out, you can't elect this many conspiracy theorists attacking the foundation of transferring power and not have ugly consequences at some point.

[Ksyrup]

Oh I know, but it's just the point that it'll essentially be "offsetting impeachments," with the goal of making Trump's impeachments totally about partisan politics and lessening any possible seriousness attached to them. "See, we can impeach just as easily as you can - for no reason, just like you did!"

[whomario]

Florida numbers are looking brutal, Trump's vote against DeSantis isn't going to help!

Seriously, I don't know what the numbers typically look like, but last I saw, in DADE COUNTY, R's were over 50% registered having voted and Dems at 37%.

Does that include early voting/absentee? (is that even much of a thing in Florida?).

[Ksyrup]

According to some information in the responses to the tweet I was reviewing, yes it does.

[PilotMan]

Remember, the presidential election was stolen, but all the votes for the House were 100% accurate, and nobody questioned them. How do you do such a good job of stealing the presidency, and figure out how to avoid winning in other races that could have been easy to fix while you were doing that one?

[Solecismic]

If the Republicans want to waste their time impeaching Biden, it's a missed opportunity to reach out to the people who didn't vote for them in 2020, but are very unhappy about the economy.

An impeachment hearing that has 0% chance of resulting in removal isn't going to do a damned thing about inflation.

I figured I'd get the "both sides" false equivalency response to what I posted. I don't know what to say other than if you depend on partisan news sources or somehow see any nationally-known source as not heavily partisan, you're missing a lot of what goes on out there and attaching far more significance than you should to specific issues.

[miked]

If the Republicans want to waste their time impeaching Biden, it's a missed opportunity to reach out to the people who didn't vote for them in 2020, but are very unhappy about the economy.

An impeachment hearing that has 0% chance of resulting in removal isn't going to do a damned thing about inflation.

I figured I'd get the "both sides" false equivalency response to what I posted. I don't know what to say other than if you depend on partisan news sources or somehow see any nationally-known source as not heavily partisan, you're missing a lot of what goes on out there and attaching far more significance than you should to specific issues.

They don't need to reach voters who did not vote for them in 2020. Most of them believe they don't exist because "election fraud" (or at least that is what they want their voters to believe). They care about suppressing the other side just enough and giving their base just enough red meat to turnout. Fixing inflation and the stock market and immigration is hard and fairly out of their control. Impeaching the dems and fighting non-existent fraud is easy and will get the same results.

[Lathum]

Brian is 100% spot on in his takes.

[Ksyrup]

I primarily depend on the words and actions of the party and its members as to what they are going to do and care most about. Yes, inflation is likely going to get the GOP elected along with a bunch of culture war BS, but it's not because they have a plan to solve it, it's because people who vote with their bank accounts and 401Ks are going to hold the party in charge responsible. As they almost always do.

Impeaching Biden, Fauci, Garland, etc., has a tangible benefit for the GOP going forward. They need to keep the hardcore base energized and extreme partisanship is the way to do it. It's no different than, as the minority, never attempting to offer or pass serious legislation but offering up performative BS bills and making non-sequitur speeches during serious debates so that Fox News and their own Twitter accounts have soundbites to play while ignoring other issues.

If you want to call any news source partisan for highlighting what the party or certain people are actually saying and doing, I guess that's cool. It's not exactly a secret that journalism, by its very nature, is progressive-leaning. In fact, that's kinda the point of a free press. So I'm not very persuaded by people who think this is some new idea that I've never given thought to before. I try my best to go in with open eyes and recognize spin when I see it. Hell, I still consider myself a moderate conservative, so some of it rings true to me, even to this day. But I can't ignore what the GOP is telling me they are about. That's partisan by definition, but that's not because of the reporting. It's from them!

What do you consider a non-partisan news source? I'm honestly curious, because I'm always looking for new sources of semi-balanced news.

[Solecismic]

If you want to call any news source partisan for highlighting what the party or certain people are actually saying and doing, I guess that's cool. It's not exactly a secret that journalism, by its very nature, is progressive-leaning.

What do you consider a non-partisan news source? I'm honestly curious, because I'm always looking for new sources of semi-balanced news.

I have a master's degree in journalism, and when I started out in the field, I didn't give this much thought. It's a progressive-leaning world, and you're trying to fit in.

When I had the role of editor, I was more aware that the bigger role the press plays is in deciding what to cover and what not to cover.

You're right, that the nature of the press makes partisanship easy. That doesn't mean the press doesn't have a responsibility to fight partisanship whenever possible. These days, the mainstream press does not even acknowledge that fight. "Fair and balanced" is a rather poor joke.

I'm struggling in finding sources. I look at some pieces on Substack. I really like Bari Weiss lately, because she goes out there and tries to find those sources. But no one's perfect. The key is to keep on trying, I guess. Or try and relax and spend less time reading stuff that's designed to raise your blood pressure.

[Brian Swartz]

I don't know what to say other than if you depend on partisan news sources or somehow see any nationally-known source as not heavily partisan, you're missing a lot of what goes on out there and attaching far more significance than you should to specific issues.

FWIW I empathize with this. I've often been accused of both-sidesism even when it's not what I'm actually doing, to the point where I don't post on certain issues anymore. I agree with you that there's a lot more going on than most media reports.

Where I think I differ is on the issue significance. I'm always open to being persuaded otherwhise, but I don't see how any other issue can be as important as election results denying. The issues I've voted on most of my life, I can't vote on any more - because either everyone has an equal voice in the government or they don't. I mean, I'm not even in favor of universal voting rights as a theoretical matter. But if you're saying other issues matter more than the foundational point of actually counting all the votes ... IMO that's like saying 'this airplane needs better seats' when somebody just ripped off the wings and drained the fuel tank. Without respect for the process of electing people and acceptance of the results, none of the rest of it even has a chance to be relevant.

[Solecismic]

I don't see how any other issue can be as important as election results denying. The issues I've voted on most of my life, I can't vote on any more - because either everyone has an equal voice in the government or they don't. I mean, I'm not even in favor of universal voting rights as a theoretical matter. But if you're saying other issues matter more than the foundational point of actually counting all the votes ... IMO that's like saying 'this airplane needs better seats' when somebody just ripped off the wings and drained the fuel tank. Without respect for the process of electing people and acceptance of the results, none of the rest of it even has a chance to be relevant.

As long as you acknowledge that election denial is universal these days.

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’ (https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html)

There are many other examples. Each side feels the same way - the votes should be counted. But how is that done fairly, so that both sides accept the results? Lately, one side usually complains about ballot harvesting and the other side about voter suppression.

If your feelings about both of these potential issues is determined by the laundry you wear, I don't know how to respond.

For me, the only thing that matters is that every single person who has the right to vote has the opportunity to cast that vote and have it counted once and only once. And I think both sides would be happy to overlook shenanigans if they felt it would give them some temporary advantage.

[RainMaker]

I know that "both sides" stuff works on imbeciles on Facebook, but you can't honestly believe that both sides are treating elections the same way. One side has made it their entire platform to stand against voting, they stormed the Capitol and committed numerous felonies trying to overturn the election. Almost every Republican who loses today will claim it was stolen.

[Brian Swartz]

As long as you acknowledge that election denial is universal these days.

Nope. Hillary conceded the day after the election. Trump never did. Jan. 6th happened because of Trump. Trump tried to get people to overturn the results, he filed frivolous lawsuits that were all thrown out. Hillary did none of those things. What she said in that link was irresponsible. But a common question to candidates is 'will you accept the results of the election' or something similar.

Those in one party say yes far more often than those in another party. This is a matter of public record. This isn't about 'laundry'. I was a Republican most of my life, but I won't consider voting for any candidate who won't simply say 'yes' without qualification when asked that question, I don't care what the letter in front of their name is. It's not even a question that should need to be asked.

[JPhillips]

The intellectual right is full of musings on whether or not it's time to abandon democracy. This isn't a fringe movement.

In terms of today, it looks like there could be really wild swings in turnout from state to state. FL looks terrible for Dems, but WI shows some promise, for example.

[RainMaker]

Remember when all those Hillary supporters stood outside ballot dropboxes with AR-15s in the next election?

[RainMaker]

The intellectual right is full of musings on whether or not it's time to abandon democracy. This isn't a fringe movement.

In terms of today, it looks like there could be really wild swings in turnout from state to state. FL looks terrible for Dems, but WI shows some promise, for example.

Dems put out two of the most moderate candidates you could possible ask for in Florida. I was told that's what the voters want so we'll see how it goes.

[Lathum]

Remember when all those Hillary supporters stood outside ballot dropboxes with AR-15s in the next election?

Or how about her plot in 2016 to send fake electors to Washington....good times.

[GrantDawg]

When she sued in Wisconsin to throw out the all the votes of only the redest counties in the state by showing problems that happened in blue counties?

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[sterlingice]

Don't you remember when Al Gore asked his followers to threaten election officials? Or that time he installed a puppet and saboteur in the USPS to screw up mail in voting because it favored the GOP? Or that time he called up Katherine Harris to just find him some more votes?

SI

[Ksyrup]

As long as you acknowledge that election denial is universal these days.

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’ (https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html)



As with Stacy Abrams, these were certainly a poor choice of words and the wrong type of thing to say. With Abrams, it appeared to be from the perspective of race, which is understandable but still irresponsible. But that's as far as it went. Lashing out over shock of losing what should have been an unlosable race (Clinton) or attributing a loss to a history or racism (Abrams). I don't believe either of them even filed a single lawsuit. Both conceded fairly quickly.

You can call this "both sides" but you cannot argue the degree to which Republicans have taken this concept and, in continuing action and words, are attempting to set on fire the legitimacy of every election that does not end with them winning. They do it before the election even happens! Hell, Trump is still arguing that in 2016, A RACE HE WON, that he actually won by millions more votes because California allowed millions of illegals to vote Democrat.

The "both sides" are not equal - not even close. This is what is so frustrating to many of us. You're boiling down extremist words and actions as if you're debating free market health care and single payer system - both sides have a position.

[RainMaker]

He's downplaying the side he supports because he knows how extreme their views are. It's as simple as that.

[Brian Swartz]

That's not fair. People can look at the same facts and honestly come away with different conclusions. Assigning nefarious motives to them is presumptuous.

[Solecismic]

As with Stacy Abrams, these were certainly a poor choice of words and the wrong type of thing to say. With Abrams, it appeared to be from the perspective of race, which is understandable but still irresponsible. But that's as far as it went. Lashing out over shock of losing what should have been an unlosable race (Clinton) or attributing a loss to a history or racism (Abrams). I don't believe either of them even filed a single lawsuit. Both conceded fairly quickly.

You can call this "both sides" but you cannot argue the degree to which Republicans have taken this concept and, in continuing action and words, are attempting to set on fire the legitimacy of every election that does not end with them winning. They do it before the election even happens! Hell, Trump is still arguing that in 2016, A RACE HE WON, that he actually won by millions more votes because California allowed millions of illegals to vote Democrat.

The "both sides" are not equal - not even close. This is what is so frustrating to many of us. You're boiling down extremist words and actions as if you're debating free market health care and single payer system - both sides have a position.

As I said, I expected this reaction. Abrams never conceded, by the way, she made a declaration that Kemp would be certified as winner, but has never acknowledged it was legitimate. Clinton may have conceded, but her "poor choice of words" has been a consistent theme for years.

There have been numerous lawsuits, even active ones, from the Democratic side (Fetterman just filed one today). I'm not trying to say both sides are equal, just that both sides will use the courts, use the court of public opinion, violence, threats of violence, anything at all, to win.

You can, as I expect to read here, frame Hillary's behavior in as friendly terms as you like. Some can deny Antifa exists (I guess it doesn't have official ID cards, but it has been around since at least the WTO violence in Seattle) or that the guy who threw a can of some sort at Ted Cruz yesterday was simply aiming for a recycling bin. Whatever. This is all a function of a media that caters to the specific biases of its audience. It's not equal as in every tit has a tat, it's equal in the sense that both sides really suck, and cheat, and contribute to inflation and probably the decline of western civilization.

We should be better than that. We're not.

[NobodyHere]

I just spent an hour waiting to vote. Even when I left the line had only gotten longer. I heard some mutterings of "The line was nowhere near this long 2 years ago."

I live in what I believe is a very blue area so that's my anecdotal story for the evening.

ETA: Next time I'm getting an early ballot.

[larrymcg421]

Wait. What?

How do we get from election denial to antifa and WTO protests?

This is why I agree with Rainmaker. It's such a bizarre post that seems to be reaching so hard to find equality in the situations.

[Solecismic]

Wait. What?

How do we get from election denial to antifa and WTO protests?


Ksyrup brought Antifa (I'm assuming the claim that it doesn't really exist) in just a few posts back. They're known for violence intended to exert political pressure, and definitely on one side of the aisle. Seems relevant enough.

Think of it this way. You're circling the wagons against someone who hasn't even ever voted for a Republican for president. Don't you think there's a bit of a bubble here?

[Ksyrup]

I brought up Antifa as an example of something the GOP is going to waste their time with Congressional hearings on - as in, trying to build a public record that J6 was Antifa and not Trump supporters. Is this something you believe/support?

Stacy Abrams should have conceded - but guess what, she conceded in fact by her words and actions since. You're telling me she's the functional equivalent to Trump's election denial? I missed the riots at the GA capitol when Kemp was sworn in, damn national news media. I can't stand Hilary Clinton - what am I "framing?" The facts tell the story. There's Dem "election denying" and then there's what the GOP has done and is continuing to do years later - and will do, in multiple places, after tonight (depending on how well or poorly tonight goes for them).

I'm fine with pointing out "both sides" but it's an ineffective argument when the circumstances of each can't be remotely compared.

This is my brother's response - "both sides suck." Yeah, but one side has proven that it sucks so much more about such important, bedrock of Democracy issues, that it's a cop out.

[Butter]

This is the kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to continue to justify supporting the GOP.

"Both sides are the same". How can someone watch January 6th and honestly say that and even equate that with anything like BLM protests or lawsuits.

Even Dems acknowledge that the GOP had every right to use the courts to lodge legitimate challenges to election results. But none of their lawsuits after 2020 were legitimate. Not a single one.

Don't even know why you're posting here. You're not going to change any minds and we're not changing yours.

[Brian Swartz]

If all we want to do is just salute each other for being on the 'right' side, why are any of us posting here?

[sterlingice]

I look forward to Katie Hobbs finding a Four Seasons Total Landscaping to announce her lawsuit against Kari Lake.

SI

[Ksyrup]

There have been numerous lawsuits, even active ones, from the Democratic side (Fetterman just filed one today).

Also, let's compare what the typical lawsuit is about - Dems largely are looking to ensure votes are counted, Rs are trying to invalidate ballots. My opinion - the law (whatever it is) should apply, and if that means something like a wrong date on a ballot received on or before election day is still valid, then count the vote. You're going to get no sympathy from me with the argument that elections should be decided by the fewest technically valid ballots possible. If counting a ballot affects security/integrity, then throw it out.

Maybe Fetterman's lawsuit has no merit, I don't know. If not, he shouldn't have filed/joined it. But he's fighting to allow people's votes to count, which is not what Rs lawsuits are largely about.

[GrantDawg]

And the guy threw the beer can at Ted Cruz? He should be locked up. I'm not seeing Democractic congressmen out defending that guy, and he won't be speaking at the next Progressive convention. Would the same be true if someone threw a beer can at AOC? We can already see the conservative reaction to attack on Paul Pelosi. One side is definitely not the same.

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[Ksyrup]

If all we want to do is just salute each other for being on the 'right' side, why are any of us posting here?

I'm trying to understand Jim's position here. It's not enough to default to "both sides suck." I think most of us would agree with that general proposition, in terms of the base partisan politics. But we're dealing with clear light/dark shades of gray differences that I am trying hard to understand the argument for how they are equal.

Hilary groused for a few hours about losing, conceded the night of the election and said the next day, quote, "We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead" ... but "both sides" election denial.

[GrantDawg]

"How can you judge me for plowing through that group of school children? You once got a parking ticket."
"Oh, well. Both sides are bad."

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[Solecismic]

I'm trying to understand Jim's position here. It's not enough to default to "both sides suck." I think most of us would agree with that general proposition, in terms of the base partisan politics. But we're dealing with clear light/dark shades of gray differences that I am trying hard to understand the argument for how they are equal.

Hilary groused for a few hours about losing, conceded the night of the election and said the next day, quote, "We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead" ... but "both sides" election denial.

Hillary has been steadfast since 2016 that Trump was not the legitimate president.

Are there gray-area differences as to who sucks more at any given time? Of course. I'm just saying that both sides suck so much that weighing suck on any specific complaint is not worth the trouble.

Don't even know why you're posting here. You're not going to change any minds and we're not changing yours.

That's a good illustration of where we are right now. Obviously, the conservative posters at FOFC have stopped posting about politics or disappeared entirely. I'm not a conservative, but I am of the opinion that mostly economics matters when it comes to the role of a government, so I will seem like one at times.

So, we don't discuss things when we don't agree? That's a bubble. That's CNN or Fox News. And that's exactly where the suck is.

[larrymcg421]

Early numbers seem decent for Warnock. PredictIt is moving his direction a bit.

[Lathum]

Rubio crushing early vote in Miami Dade, Florida is done...

[Solecismic]

I just spent an hour waiting to vote. Even when I left the line had only gotten longer. I heard some mutterings of "The line was nowhere near this long 2 years ago."

I live in what I believe is a very blue area so that's my anecdotal story for the evening.

ETA: Next time I'm getting an early ballot.

No line here when I went about 4:00. My wife had to wait about five minutes when she went this morning.

I wanted to vote absentee, but my letter was rejected. I must have transposed the digits on my driver's license, but they let me know early enough so that I could vote in person.

[sterlingice]

Hillary has been steadfast since 2016 that Trump was not the legitimate president.

Has she continually said he wasn't legitimately elected? I believe she has complained that foreign powers have interfered with the politics of the situation but not that the vote count was illegitimate. Is that what you are referring to? Or is there something else?

SI

[larrymcg421]

Warnock running ahead of Biden in the early vote for Fulton and Richmond counties.

[Brian Swartz]

Hillary has been steadfast since 2016 that Trump was not the legitimate president.

This is true, and she wasn't alone; John Henry Lewis also said it. So did Jimmy Carter.

But that's just not in the same area code as the assault on the Capitol or the actions Trump personally took trying to have the results overturned. It's also not in the same conversation as what has continued on after that.

Look at the prominent races this time around; senators and governors. I don't know of a single Democrat - not one - who has not said they will accept the results of the election. Many Republicans have. Others have refused to answer the question. It's not one or two here and there, it's roughly half of them from what I've seen. And this pattern continues into the 'downballot' candidates.

This is not an anomaly. It's not just that it isn't an even split. It's not even a 80-20 split. It's 'one party is doing this thing, and the other isn't'.

[Solecismic]

I don't know. The talking point has always been "he is not the legitimate president." I think if you search on the phrase Hillary and "legitimate president" you can get some insight as to why. But she has maintained this stance since 2016.

I'm not really seeing much of interest on PredictIt. A couple of hours ago there seemed to a run on Tudor Dixon in Michigan. Now a bigger run on Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire.

[Ksyrup]

Hillary has been steadfast since 2016 that Trump was not the legitimate president.

Are there gray-area differences as to who sucks more at any given time? Of course. I'm just saying that both sides suck so much that weighing suck on any specific complaint is not worth the trouble.

And again, she conceded the day after and did not do one thing to attempt to affect the transition of power. Bitching to friends or on The View about sour grapes losing is not the same as what Trump (and way too much of the GOP) did and continues to do. I don't care if she shows up on this board in this thread right now and says she thinks Trump is illegitimate, it doesn't matter because she settled the matter of who was the next president by her actions (or lack of other actions).



That's a good illustration of where we are right now. Obviously, the conservative posters at FOFC have stopped posting about politics or disappeared entirely. I'm not a conservative, but I am of the opinion that mostly economics matters when it comes to the role of a government, so I will seem like one at times.

So, we don't discuss things when we don't agree? That's a bubble. That's CNN or Fox News. And that's exactly where the suck is.

Hey, guess what? I was a registered R from 1989 until 2021. I'm now registered as an independent. I stopped voting GOP for President around 2004 by voting Libertarian, and didn't vote for a single Dem for national office until 2018.

If the GOP came back to its senses, or a legit third party sprung up out of this mess, I'd likely only vote Dem on a case-by-case basis because I'd feel like I have other, better options. Right now, Dem is the only option and I don't even see a reason to care about the normal issues you would typically vote on, because these are not normal times.

I think the issue is, we're in the process redefining what a conservative is. There's really no room for a social moderate, fiscal conservative in today's GOP. Aside from "lower taxes for me = good," on economic issues, the GOP does not care about spending or the deficit or most of anything that used to define us.

[Ksyrup]

This is true, and she wasn't alone; John Henry Lewis also said it. So did Jimmy Carter.

But that's just not in the same area code as the assault on the Capitol or the actions Trump personally took trying to have the results overturned. It's also not in the same conversation as what has continued on after that.

Look at the prominent races this time around; senators and governors. I don't know of a single Democrat - not one - who has not said they will accept the results of the election. Many Republicans have. Others have refused to answer the question. It's not one or two here and there, it's roughly half of them from what I've seen. And this pattern continues into the 'downballot' candidates.

This is not an anomaly. It's not just that it isn't an even split. It's not even n 80-20 split. It's 'one party is doing this thing, and the other isn't'.

Not to mention the grassroots effort to find election denying candidates to install as SOS and elections officers in swing states to do exactly what Trump was prevented from doing in 2020. The GOP candidate for governor in WI said that when he wins the GOP will never lose another election. He's not bragging about being a great candidate - he's clearly saying, we are going to "win" whether or not we have the votes.

Where are the Dems taking these same positions? Over 300 GOP candidates are on record as denying Biden won the election.

[GrantDawg]

Walker is getting g about 92% of Kemp voters. Warnock getting 98% of Abram voters. Warnock and Kemp look likely to win.

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[Ksyrup]

I don't know. The talking point has always been "he is not the legitimate president." I think if you search on the phrase Hillary and "legitimate president" you can get some insight as to why. But she has maintained this stance since 2016.

You don't know? What don't you know? Hillary talking about Trump not being legitimate (likely due to Russian collusion, I'm guessing) after conceding is in the equivalent to Trump pressuring officials to "find" him votes, formulating a plan to have the DOJ seize voting machines, filing baseless lawsuits that have gotten some of his lawyers in disbarment proceedings, stoking the J6 riot and continuing to promote these baseless claims? You don't know?

Hillary's comments are the functional equivalent, in terms of effect, of people claiming the Astros are illegitimate 2017 world series champions.

[Brian Swartz]

The GOP candidate for governor in WI said that when he wins the GOP will never lose another election. He's not bragging about being a great candidate - he's clearly saying, we are going to "win" whether or not we have the votes.

This is right up John 'I voted for it before I voted against it' Kerry territory. It's gotten a lot of play, but if you look at the context of what he was saying, he wasn't talking about cheating future elections. I'm with you on the larger point of course, but I think it's still important to be accurate in what people are doing.

’They tell us to vote for the Democrats all the time ... but I tell you what: I’m voting for you, and everybody at work I know is voting for you because the Democratic Party has left us. It’s all about the acronyms. It’s all about LGBTQ and CRT and BLM. I just want to go to work, raise my family, go to church on Sunday, go to my kid’s ballgame, and the Democratic Party doesn’t care about any of that.’ Republicans will never lose another election in Wisconsin after I’m elected governor.

[Solecismic]

I don't know meaning not dialed in on her claim. If you want me to defend Trump, you're looking in the wrong place. But a major party candidate claiming the opponent is illegitimate? Excusing that seems like part of the problem.

Kemp looked very safe the last few weeks. The question is how far behind him Walker is running. But the real race is to 50%. Nothing else matters.

[GrantDawg]

Florida is no longer a swing state.

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[Ksyrup]

I don't know meaning not dialed in on her claim. If you want me to defend Trump, you're looking in the wrong place. But a major party candidate claiming the opponent is illegitimate? Excusing that seems like part of the problem.

No no no! I'm not asking you to defend Trump. There is no defending him. However, it's important to point out that it's not just him anymore, so this isn't totally about Trump which is why I'm so adamant about voting Dem this time around. I'm asking you to explain how you can compare what he/they have done with some of the examples you have pointed out above.

I'm not excusing what Hillary said. I think in the first post I made about her and Abrams, I said neither of them should have said what they said. But the facts are the facts - she conceded and made no effort to challenge the election, regardless of what she said, how many times she said it (I certainly don't remember her calling press conference after press conference or going on a Twitter storm claiming she was the winner), or if she's still saying it. There's just no comparison.

But yes, I agree on the basic point that a major party candidate for national office should not be loosely throwing around those types of claims. After that, the paths diverge widely on what they said/did.

[Edward64]

Florida is no longer a swing state.

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Should take the opportunity to free Cuba.

[Brian Swartz]

Everything looking good that I'm seeing for Warnock. It appears the Republicans did manage to find a candidate bad enough to lose a very, very winnable Senate seat.

[Ksyrup]

This is right up John 'I voted for it before I voted against it' Kerry territory. It's gotten a lot of play, but if you look at the context of what he was saying, he wasn't talking about cheating future elections. I'm with you on the larger point of course, but I think it's still important to be accurate in what people are doing.

Thanks for the clarification. I've seen the quote, but not the context. The issue for him is that it's 50/50 (maybe that's charitable) as to what he really meant by that, given the way the GOP talks these days. Heck, maybe he intended for it to have a double meaning, wouldn't surprise me.

[larrymcg421]

PredictIt really likes the current numbers for Fetterman.

They still have 60-40 for Walker-Warnock.

[larrymcg421]

However, the needle (narrowly) likes Oz and Walker so far.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-needle-forecast.html

[Brian Swartz]

538 saying Walker-Warnock is super-close.

I really, really don't want a runoff there. I've never cared more about a race for a politician that doesn't represent me personally.

[Lathum]

These Virginia numbers for congress are a really bad sign

[Hillary Clinton]

Donald Trump was an illegitimate President, and I intend to challenge the 2016 result when the Supreme Court has a more favorable makeup. I can wait.

[larrymcg421]

Key races on PredictIt right now

PA - Fetterman 55%
GA - Walker 53%
AZ - Kelly 61%
NV - Laxalt 71%
WI - Johnson 85%
OH - Vance 92%
Dem Senate - 37%

[Ksyrup]

Donald Trump was an illegitimate President, and I intend to challenge the 2016 result when the Supreme Court has a more favorable makeup. I can wait.

Meet me at the Olive Garden in Vienna, VA. We have some scheming to do. Bring cash, I'm using my Chase Reserve card to rack up some points.

[GrantDawg]

Holy crap. Mrs. Clinton, what is your opinion on trout and giant squid?

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[Hillary Clinton]

That works for me. I have a satanic child sex ring business that I run in a pizza restaurant nearby.

[Hillary Clinton]

Holy crap. Mrs. Clinton, what is your opinion on trout and giant squid?

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I prefer my squid to be collosal. I also admire and relate to trout, because they have to swim against the flow, just like a woman in politics in the United States.

[Brian Swartz]

...

[NobodyHere]

I prefer my squid to be collosal. I also admire and relate to trout, because they have to swim against the flow, just like a woman in politics in the United States.

How can I fudge a bank statement?

[Hillary Clinton]

How can I fudge a bank statement?


Honestly, that's probably a question that Bill can answer better than I can.

[sterlingice]

I feel like I just walked into one of those Conan sketches where he is interviewing someone on the TV screen and they replace the mouth to give goofy answers

SI

[GrantDawg]

Is it true that Bill is both cocky and funny?

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[Brian Swartz]

Warnock is under 50% now. 1.5% lead with 52% of the vote in.

This is fine. There is no cause for alarm. I am composed and will not freak out at all.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[sterlingice]

Is it true that Bill is both cocky and funny?

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"Bill, can you tell us about HornyManiac?"

SI

[Hillary Clinton]

Is it true that Bill is both cocky and funny?

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Bill's definitely cocky, but I don't find him to be very funny.

[Hillary Clinton]

The way that Steve Kornacki touches that big board makes me feel like a lusty young woman again.

[Lathum]

Looks like Beto is done for

[Brian Swartz]

Unfortunately losing and running again generally doesn't go well.

[Lathum]

Walker just took the lead. I think that is the one that is the biggest gut punch. How anyone can vote for him is beyond me.

[GrantDawg]

Good news from a GOP stronghold (Oconee County, Ga.). Walker is underperforming Loeffler by 2 points with 95% of the vote in. If that holds up state wide, it woukd be huge.

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[Hillary Clinton]

Unfortunately losing and running again generally doesn't go well.


Just ask the Detroit Lions.

[Lathum]

scratch that, big dump from Atlanta puts Warnock back up

[Brian Swartz]

Agreed on Walker, but the last update apparently was big for Warnock; up to 51.5% again. In terms of why, it's the same old 'voting for the platform not the candidate' bit.

[larrymcg421]

Warnock back ahead.

STOP THE COUNT

[GrantDawg]

Warnock also out performing his run-off numbers in Dekalb County (really big suburban Atlanta county).

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[GrantDawg]

Beasley is also out performing Biden in rural counties of North Carolina.

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[Brian Swartz]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is now the governor-elect in Arkansas. That's going to be fun.

[NobodyHere]

Honestly, that's probably a question that Bill can answer better than I can.

How was the sex with jbmagic?

[GrantDawg]

With 58% of the votes in, Warnock and Kemp have almost the exact number of votes.

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[Lathum]

Beasley is also out performing Biden in rural counties of North Carolina.

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If she winds have to assume dems hold the senate

[GrantDawg]

Btw, Abrams actually has more votes than Walker. The third party candidate is pulling 1.8% in the Senate race while the one on the governors race is only getting .6%.

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[larrymcg421]

The NYT needle is down right now. Hard to make sense of the current numbers vs. expectations.

PredictIt still likes Walker.

[Hillary Clinton]

How was the sex with jbmagic?

ai not good

[GrantDawg]

One analyst just said that Florida had a large shift right compared to 2020, but elsewhere so far the shift is only averaging less than a point.

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[GrantDawg]

It is looking like all but one of those toss-up seats for Incumbent Democrats in Virgina have stayed blue. They just called for Spanbetger.

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[Brian Swartz]

Aaaaand Warnock is back under the 50% mark in Georgia. 71% in.

[Solecismic]

After a lot of bad news for the Democrats over the last month, today so far is looking better than it had. The biggest sign for me so far is the quick call on the Colorado Senate for Bennet.

[Coffee Warlord]

The biggest sign for me so far is the quick call on the Colorado Senate for Bennet.

I haven't seen it called in several places yet, and no votes listed from Colorado Springs or Pueblo yet, two very red cities. It's highly unlikely that was ever going to be a competitive seat, but O'Dea might be closer than I thought.

edit: NOW it's being called. Like I said, not surprising, but I think the final result is gonna be closer than what I figured.

[larrymcg421]

The NYT needle really likes Walker right now. It has him at 63%

[Brian Swartz]

Does the needle have a 'runoff' option?

[larrymcg421]

Does the needle have a 'runoff' option?

Doesn't look like it. They project Walker to win by 1.8 right now, so it depends on how much the Libertarian will get.

[Brian Swartz]

Super. And Walker re-takes the lead, both of them almost a full percent below the 50% mark. I have no idea where the remaining vote is, but I would bet on runoff at this point.

[larrymcg421]

Here's the needle if anyone wants to follow it...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-needle-forecast.html

It has moved back towards Warnock a little bit. Walker now at 59%

[larrymcg421]

55% now. Crazy!

[GrantDawg]

I am not the needle, but I don't see it. There are large number of metro Atlanta votes yet to come that are goung to go very heavily Warnock.

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[larrymcg421]

I mean, I hope you're right. I'm following the needle because they were the first indicators that Biden could win GA in 2020. That doesn't mean they'll be right again.

[larrymcg421]

FWIW, PredictIt now sees it the same way as you. Warnock is at .58 there

[GrantDawg]

Gwinnett is a very large county and only has 48% reporting. Doughtery is midsized County with only 8% reporting. Fulton, Cobb and Dekalb still have 30+%. Heck my county is less than 50, and it isn't small. They are all heavy Warnock.

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[JPhillips]

I hope we'll eventually see exit polling that shows how GOP women voted. If things stay the way they look now I'd bet a lot of them stayed registered for the GOP but voted to some degree for Dems.

[GrantDawg]

Steve Kornacky is no way predicting but is suggesting that there is a slight possibility the Democrats hold the House. Possibly, maybe.

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[Ksyrup]

Boebert in some trouble. Darn.

[larrymcg421]

AZ and PA looking good for Dems right now. It those hold, then the Senate would come down to NV and GA. Dems would need to win 1 of 2.

[Lathum]

Psaki looking very bronzed...

[Swaggs]

I’m confused in comparing this to the “red mirage” of 2020 because it seems like the Dems are jumping out to some unexpected leads tonight.

[Lathum]

If Boebert loses, wow...

[larrymcg421]

Spanberger's district is R+6. What an amazing hold by her.

[GrantDawg]

Maybe some of these polls were made-up B.S.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trafalgar's last CO poll had Bennet up only 1.5% but at the moment he's winning by 17% with 61% of the vote in...hmmmm <a href="https://t.co/W5558Gx94E">https://t.co/W5558Gx94E</a></p>&mdash; Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) <a href="https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1590180520289501184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Ksyrup]

I laughed loudly when I read a tweet that said - "Imagine being the person assigned to explaining all of this to Walker."

[GrantDawg]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Red ripple -&gt; blue…ocean breeze? Spray of Lysol?</p>&mdash; Conor Sen (@conorsen) <a href="https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1590185772799258624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[cuervo72]

Walker probably thinks a run-off involves a 40-yard dash.

[Ksyrup]

Beto O'Rourke seems like a genuinely good guy who lives in absolutely the wrong state to try to win a statewide election.

[GrantDawg]

Can't find a Fetterman. Looks like he is in good shape to beat Oz.

[GrantDawg]

Beto O'Rourke seems like a genuinely good guy who lives in absolutely the wrong state to try to win a statewide election.
Why in the world didn't he try a congressional run? Or maybe a major city Mayor?

[Solecismic]

No red wave at all, especially when you consider normal midterm behavior. Ohio Senate is going to be very close - might even give Ryan an edge if the percentage reporting is accurate.

[stevew]

Why in the world didn't he try a congressional run? Or maybe a major city Mayor?

He was a rep at one point.

[stevew]

I’m hoping Josh Shapiro’s lead holds. I like that guy a lot and he will be a great firewall vs the crazies.

[GrantDawg]

Likely Walker win, but possible runoff:
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on trends, here's what's outstanding in Georgia:<br>~50,000 net Warnock in Fulton<br>~50,000 net Warnock in DeKalb<br>~18,000 net Warnock in Gwinnett<br>~23,000 net Walker in Walton<br>~15,000 net Walker in Forsyth<br>~8,000 net Walker in Cherokee<br>Several more small red counties for Walker</p>&mdash; Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanKeefe/status/1590189482938368000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[GrantDawg]

I’m hoping Josh Shapiro’s lead holds. I like that guy a lot and he will be a great firewall vs the crazies.
They have already called that race for Shapiro.

[JPhillips]

Fetterman is outperforming Biden in 17 of the 18 PA counties that are fully in.

[Lathum]

I’m hoping Josh Shapiro’s lead holds. I like that guy a lot and he will be a great firewall vs the crazies.

His win was maybe the most predictable of all, other than the stupid obvious ones

[Solecismic]

No red wave at all, especially when you consider normal midterm behavior. Ohio Senate is going to be very close - might even give Ryan an edge if the percentage reporting is accurate.

Quoting myself: ABC just called it for Vance. I guess the map I saw which showed the vast majority of precincts not in yet were in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo was not the current situation.

[NobodyHere]

Quoting myself: ABC just called it for Vance. I guess the map I saw which showed the vast majority of precincts not in yet were in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo was not the current situation.

https://media.tenor.com/2zSQBamFIsMAAAAC/farnsworth-futurama.gif

[PilotMan]

I want to see how strong the gerrymandering is this election year. How much more does a R vote count than a D vote? And has that changed since the last election?

[GrantDawg]

I want to see how strong the gerrymandering is this election year. How much more does a R vote count than a D vote? And has that changed since the last election?
There has definitely been a slant, but Florida was biggest mover. Several other states end up not having shifted as far as the GOP hoped.

[Ksyrup]

KY rejected an amendment that would have affirmed no right to abortion in the state constitution. There will be a state supreme court hearing in a week to decide how to handle lawsuits against the current law outlawing abortion and they've said the people's voice will weigh in their decision. Possible the legislature will be limited on how far they can roll back abortion rights.

[larrymcg421]

There's not enough left for Warnock to win. Only hope now is for a runoff.

[Edward64]

No red wave at all, especially when you consider normal midterm behavior. Ohio Senate is going to be very close - might even give Ryan an edge if the percentage reporting is accurate.

I think you are right. It's not the worse case that Dems were fearing.

I'm very interested in the analysis of demographics, key issue etc. in the following weeks (e.g. women voting, Gen-Z voting, Hispanic breakdown etc.).

Congrats to Brian Kemp. I don't view him as an absolute pariah as he is not a Trumper.

The competitive race that Walker is running ... WTF. And no, I don't blame the Libertarian candidate, he has every right to run and get the votes he gets. I do hope it goes to a run-off.

[Edward64]

There has definitely been a slant, but Florida was biggest mover. Several other states end up not having shifted as far as the GOP hoped.

If I had to pick between Santis or Trump, I'd go with Santis.

I can see him running in 2024. I can see him beating Trump. But obviously a long ways to go.

[Ksyrup]

Tonight seems to be yet another off-ramp for the GOP from the Trump lunacy that I assume they will not take.

[Solecismic]

The last run of votes has Vance up 280,000. Ryan could get back half of that easily, but I no longer see the path to winning, unless there are a lot of absentee votes out.

[Lathum]

The last run of votes has Vance up 280,000. Ryan could get back half of that easily, but I no longer see the path to winning, unless there are a lot of absentee votes out.

Ryan conceded

[stevew]

His win was maybe the most predictable of all, other than the stupid obvious ones

I don’t take anything for granted with all the Q zealots here.

[Edward64]

Quoting myself: ABC just called it for Vance. I guess the map I saw which showed the vast majority of precincts not in yet were in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo was not the current situation.

FWIW, I enjoyed the Hillbilly Elegy movie.

[Solecismic]

Tonight seems to be yet another off-ramp for the GOP from the Trump lunacy that I assume they will not take.

Yeah. I am so sick of the Trump lunacy. And the way primaries go, he'll win if he runs, because as Jeb Bush pointed out, they are not designed to encourage serious candidates.

Even if I were a Republican, I'd have to point out that he had four years to not only make American great again, but save the world, save the cheerleader and maybe even the entire Solar System... but here we still are, in need of saving.

The stuff with DeSantis and Vance this week... who does that? It's all about him. It's always all about him and no one else.

[Edward64]

Likely Walker win, but possible runoff:


Walker's lead is slowly decreasing, now at 49.2% vs 48.8% with 82% counted. I do think it'll be a run-off.

[Jas_lov]

Tonight seems to be yet another off-ramp for the GOP from the Trump lunacy that I assume they will not take.

I hope it also means the end of all the election pollsters and prognosticators. They haven't been right about much these past 6 years. That Trafalgar guy appears to have been wrong about everything and 538 took his polls seriously.

[Edward64]

I've been flipping between ABC, CBS and CNN. I've not seen any provide stats on % of people voting.

Anyone know if there has been more, same, or less than last?

[Ksyrup]

Looks like Madison Cawthorn-lite Bo Hines is going to lose. Unfortunately Boebert may squeak by as everything left to count leans heavily for her.

[RainMaker]

I want to see how strong the gerrymandering is this election year. How much more does a R vote count than a D vote? And has that changed since the last election?

Depends on the state. Florida ignored their Supreme Court and just made up the laws themselves so they got a few seats from that.

It'll likely be a 3-4% Democrat win in total vote but a slight majority for Republicans. It's the state house races which are really bad. Wisconsin will have a Republican supermajority but basically split the vote 50/50. Kind of tough to call that state much of a democracy anymore.

[RainMaker]

Still early but feels like a bad night for Trump. Most of his candidates got beat or underperformed. Desantis cleaned up in Florida after being bashed by Trump a day before the election.

I still don't think Desantis wins a primary against Trump because he's a coward but it sort of feels like he'd own the party if Trump stepped back.

[Lathum]

I'm seeing almost zero coverage of the Arizona governor race and you would hink that would be a huge one.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I hope we'll eventually see exit polling that shows how GOP women voted. If things stay the way they look now I'd bet a lot of them stayed registered for the GOP but voted to some degree for Dems.

I've always figured that was where some of the seemingly weird split vote (Kemp for Gov / Warnock for Senate) in Georgia was coming from.

The weakest part of the (alleged) GOP in Georgia is women in the non-inner city 5-county core around Atlanta, farther away from Atlanta into the suburbs/exurbs you go the more they vote like the rest of the party membership.

Tennis wives, basically.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah. I am so sick of the Trump lunacy. And the way primaries go, he'll win if he runs, because as Jeb Bush pointed out, they are not designed to encourage serious candidates.

Even if I were a Republican, I'd have to point out that he had four years to not only make American great again, but save the world, save the cheerleader and maybe even the entire Solar System... but here we still are, in need of saving.

The stuff with DeSantis and Vance this week... who does that? It's all about him. It's always all about him and no one else.

Trump cares about no one but himself. On a night where he came out a loser, he's on TruthSocial gloating about the GOP candidates in CO and NH losing because they refused the election denial track or backtracked on it.

He's a small, petty POS.

[larrymcg421]

Nickel over Hines in NC-13 is pretty stunning.

[Ksyrup]

A small town KY mayor's race ended 55-55 and the winner eas determined by coin flip.

[RainMaker]

Nickel over Hines in NC-13 is pretty stunning.

Overturning Roe seems to have helped a lot of candidates.

[larrymcg421]

Definitely the worst midterm performance from an out of power party since 2002.

[Ksyrup]

I wonder if anyone is going to do an in-depth analysis of COVID deaths and relate them to specific counties/states by R/D. I know the general consensus is a net loss of Rs across the country but I wonder how many of them might have translated into some congressional losses.

[larrymcg421]

I still think the GOP will take the House, but man, if the Boebert seat is the tipping point, that would be so glorious.

[RainMaker]

Fetterman is outperforming Biden in 17 of the 18 PA counties that are fully in.

Fascinating to see the different tactics taken in Pennsylvania and Florida by Democrats and which one is succeeding.

[RainMaker]

Boebert in some trouble. Darn.

Still seeing a lot of the projections showing her winning and maybe the numbers not correct on % reporting at NBC.

It does seem a lot of people turned on her after her husband killed their neighbor's dog. The fact she is married to a pedophile was not an issue.

[larrymcg421]

Yeah the needle still has her favored to win, but it's close.

Warnock just took the lead again, but probably not enough left for him to get to 50.

[Swaggs]

NBC calls PA for Fetterman!

[larrymcg421]

So Dems just need either GA or NV.

[Swaggs]

Looking like a nice set of swing state dem governors possibly winning. PA, MN, MI already called and AZ and WI look promising. NV less so and obviously GA went with Kemp (who showed spine in ‘20 against Trump’s shenanigans), but I see this as important safeguard news for election integrity in 2024, which is huge.

[larrymcg421]

Doesn't tonight ensure that there will be a (very bloody) primary between DeSantis and Trump? DeSantis has got to see tonight as a big sign that this is his moment.

[Edward64]

I wonder if anyone is going to do an in-depth analysis of COVID deaths and relate them to specific counties/states by R/D. I know the general consensus is a net loss of Rs across the country but I wonder how many of them might have translated into some congressional losses.

That would be interesting

[Edward64]

Doesn't tonight ensure that there will be a (very bloody) primary between DeSantis and Trump? DeSantis has got to see tonight as a big sign that this is his moment.

I very much hope so

[Brian Swartz]

Just out of curiosity, why do you hope so? Do you think there's more negatives that will be revealed about Trump from that will make people vote against him, beyond what we already know? How do you get worse from this point?

[Solecismic]

Just out of curiosity, why do you hope so? Do you think there's more negatives that will be revealed about Trump from that will make people vote against him, beyond what we already know? How do you get worse from this point?

Oh, I think he gets a little bit worse every day. Since he can't say all 30-40 races that the Republicans probably could have won if not for his antics (endorsing crazier candidates, behaving like a me-first jerk during all those "rallies") were all "stolen", he's going to lose a few marbles while the party starts whispering that maybe there's finally some light out there away from his shadow.

There's one thing Trump hates more than losing. It's not being important, not being the king-maker.

The problem is that the primaries still reward that behavior. He could end up pulling a Mondale in 2024 the way he's going.

[Edward64]

Darn, not much has changed since going to bed last night.

Have to google on why a GA run-off takes another month. You'd think 2 weeks is sufficient. Looking forward to Warnock/Walker ads. Hope they come up with some new ones.

[Brian Swartz]

It's actually a faster run-off than they had last time.

[Edward64]

Just out of curiosity, why do you hope so? Do you think there's more negatives that will be revealed about Trump from that will make people vote against him, beyond what we already know? How do you get worse from this point?

No, wasn't thinking about more negatives against Trump. And if more did come up, who cares ... we all know it won't make a real difference to his 38-42%.

I see DeSantis as being a viable alternative to Trump for many Republicans (and Independents). He is the only contender that I see (right now) who wants & has a reason to challenge Trump, and has strong enough of an important base (e.g. State of FL).

So the battle between them will inevitably weaken Trump and that is good. It will be good to have a relatively normal GOP candidate.

[GrantDawg]

The problem is that the primaries still reward that behavior. He could end up pulling a Mondale in 2024 the way he's going.
From your lips to God's ear.

[GrantDawg]

It's actually a faster run-off than they had last time.
I'm glad they vut the time down. I still wish we did away with the run-off system and went to ranked-choice.

[Lathum]

So I am a little fuzzy still, but Kelly likely wins Az. setting up a Walker-Warnock runoff for the Senate. No?

[Edward64]

According to CNN, only 67% counted so far in Arizona. I think way still too early to call.

But yeah, it looks like it may come down to a (questionable) wife abuser vs (I did it, but I was sick then) wife/woman abuser.

[Lathum]

You realize the police found absolutely zero evidence he touched his wife?

[Swaggs]

So I am a little fuzzy still, but Kelly likely wins Az. setting up a Walker-Warnock runoff for the Senate. No?

It looks like Kelly will likely win AZ (but the count will take several more days) and Johnson will likely win WI (small, but unlikely chance that outstanding Milwaukee and mail ins could push Barnes ahead). That would leave NV and GA as options for the Dems to get to 50 (and 51). NV is going to take days and seems like a true toss up. Alaska will go for one of the two GOPers, but won’t be called for another week or two because it is close and they have ranked choice.

[Edward64]

You realize the police found absolutely zero evidence he touched his wife?

Yes. But that ad of his wife crying is compelling.

I've read the Politifact stuff. I would have liked to read more interviews/research on wife to determine if she was really weirded out (or bought off).


EDIT: this is pretty much the video https://twitter.com/34n22pac/status/1579799911549526017?lang=en

There is definitely, by far, more smoke from the Walker camp. But this ad is troubling. I've not seen any additional research (from either side) doing more confirming or denying, or on her credibility or lack of.

[Lathum]

You have to think a run off favors Warnock. This election has shown the stink of Trump is a negative. He likely won't be able to help himself from getting involved and announcing a presidential run, which will turn this race into a referendum on Trump. Also a month more for Walker to show how stupid he is to Georgia voters. You also have to think there was a least a portion of Kemp voters who ticked off Walkers name and those people will stay home thins time.

[Lathum]

dola- If Kari Lake loses I will run around my yard in my underwear. That woman is pure evil.

[Lathum]

double dola- I think after last night DeSantis may make a run at it.

[Edward64]

I agree that a run-off would favor Warnock vs Walker/Trump.

I'm not sure that holds true if it was a Walker supported by Kemp. I think Kemp has publicly said he supports Walker but my guess (and hope) that he really doesn't. But a 51 GOP majority may be very compelling to him.

[HerRealName]

After seeing DeSantis debate Crist, if he gets on stage with Trump he's seriously jeopardizing his political career.

[Lathum]

I agree that a run-off would favor Warnock vs Walker/Trump.

I'm not sure that holds true if it was a Walker supported by Kemp. I think Kemp has publicly said he supports Walker but my guess (and hope) that he really doesn't. But a 51 GOP majority may be very compelling to him.

I dont think it was about support, more about Kemp voters being in the booth and just ticking off a republican straight ticket. I suspect some of those people stay home because they may have been voting to support Kemp, or an anti Abrams vote, but don't necessarily support Walker.

[NobodyHere]

I do not envy Georgians right now. Your lives are going to be hell with all the political ads coming your way for the runoff.

[PilotMan]

dola- If Kari Lake loses I will run around my yard in my underwear. That woman is pure evil.

She's actually still favored to win, which is unbelievable.

[albionmoonlight]

After J6 and the GOP's refusal to break with Trump, this should have been a D+15 election.

But considering the historical backlash against the President's party in the mid-terms and the fact that the mainstream news has been nothing but people staring at the camera saying "inflation, inflation, inflation, inflation" over and over again while scary music plays in the background, this is a pretty good result for Dems overall.

[NobodyHere]

She's actually still favored to whin, which is unbelievable.

Win or whine?

[NobodyHere]

dola- If Kari Lake loses I will run around my yard in my underwear. That woman is pure evil.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[GrantDawg]

I dont think it was about support, more about Kemp voters being in the booth and just ticking off a republican straight ticket. I suspect some of those people stay home because they may have been voting to support Kemp, or an anti Abrams vote, but don't necessarily support Walker.
I think you are underestimating the number of Republican leaning people who didn't vote for Walker last night, but will in a runoff with Senate control in the balance. Some people thought they didn't need to vote for Walker with a "Red Wave" coming, but now will to to keep the Dems from controlling the Senate. I really don't think a runoff is a shoe-in at all.

[bhlloy]

Plus the hijinks that will go on with the Senate on the line and this being the only game in town… I’d be far more pessimistic about Warnock’s chances in a runoff personally. There’s plenty of reasons to see more R’s backing Walker, I can’t see the enthusiasm gap for D’s being close to the same.

[Lathum]

Plus the hijinks that will go on with the Senate on the line and this being the only game in town… I’d be far more pessimistic about Warnock’s chances in a runoff personally. There’s plenty of reasons to see more R’s backing Walker, I can’t see the enthusiasm gap for D’s being close to the same.

I don't know about that. The ads start flowing about a national abortion ban and young voters will turn out.

[BYU 14]

dola- If Kari Lake loses I will run around my yard in my underwear. That woman is pure evil.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Hell we can start a thread for this if it happens, I'm doing too!

[henry296]

I would expect the 2% who vote Libertarian to lean R in the runoff as well. If everyone shows up again with just 2 choices, I think Walker wins. Turnout will be the big factor.

[bhlloy]

I don't know about that. The ads start flowing about a national abortion ban and young voters will turn out.

See, I think the Dems have already hit their ceiling here. We will see.

[Butter]

I think Cortez Masto is still going to win NV.

Dems win NV and AZ and GA is just to get to 51. Still nice, as it would keep fucking WV guy whose name escapes me from holding everything hostage

[Butter]

Most outstanding votes in NV are early vote from Clark and Washoe and should favor Dem. She only needs to make up about 25k votes

[miked]

I agree that a run-off would favor Warnock vs Walker/Trump.

I'm not sure that holds true if it was a Walker supported by Kemp. I think Kemp has publicly said he supports Walker but my guess (and hope) that he really doesn't. But a 51 GOP majority may be very compelling to him.

A few weeks ago Walker was polling 5-10 points behind and has been nothing but terrible. People don't care about him lying about how many kids he has, how many abortions he's paid for, who he has beaten. I mean, if he can still get 49% of the vote being a wife beating, baby making, low IQ idiot, why can't he win the runoff. It's really a sad state.

[Swaggs]

I think it is pretty hard to predict how a GA runoff may play out. The two big variables that I see is that there won't be Kemp or Abrams at the top of the ticket (who does that help/hurt more?) and what kind of effect does Trump declaring his candidacy for 2024 have on the race? Apparently, Trump had to be talked out of announcing last week (was told that the announcement would be overshadowed by the elections).

With Trump potentially facing charges, probably wanting to change the 'loser' narrative, and wanting to get out ahead of Desantis (who, I assume will not announce anything for awhile and will just enjoy his recent successes), I can't imagine that he doesn't declare before the runoff. That could energize either side.

[Swaggs]

A few notes that I just read.

Walker underperformed the other Republicans that ran in statewide elections and was one of just 2 of the 9 finished/will finish under 2-million votes. There was a IND Libertarian that currently has 2.1% but, per his wikipedia, he is a former democrat and this is his entry at the top:

He is anti-police and openly gay.[2][3][4] He said he supports "ending cash bail," "closing most overseas bases," and "open borders." He has argued that he's "more progressive on criminal justice" than Vice President Kamala Harris, described defense spending as "corporate welfare with explosions that kill innocent people," and said he wants "free and easy immigration."

So, I doubt he was pulling a whole lot of conservatives. Maybe those voters don't turn out for a runoff, but the ones that do seem like they would be more liberal on the spectrum.

[sterlingice]

I dont think it was about support, more about Kemp voters being in the booth and just ticking off a republican straight ticket. I suspect some of those people stay home because they may have been voting to support Kemp, or an anti Abrams vote, but don't necessarily support Walker.

I suspect there's enough voters in Georgia that when you're choice is between two black men instead of championing a white man to put a black woman in her place, you might as well just stay in your racist and/or sexist home and watch some more Fox News.

SI

[sterlingice]

dola- If Kari Lake loses I will run around my yard in my underwear. That woman is pure evil.

But will they be patriotic undies?

SI

[Edward64]

People don't care about him lying about how many kids he has, how many abortions he's paid for, who he has beaten. I mean, if he can still get 49% of the vote being a wife beating, baby making, low IQ idiot, why can't he win the runoff. It's really a sad state.

We don't agree on much politically but I generally agree with you here. I do think Warnock has good odds to win in a run-off, but it will be close (e.g. 51-49).

I'm guessing the Libertarians will be more inclined to vote Democrat. I'm thinking the younger generation will really come out if control of the Senate is on the line. (I've been watching CNN this morning and reading online, I still haven't seen anything on % voted. I wouldn't be surprised if the younger vote was lower on 11/8 and hence more of an upside for the run-off)

FWIW, GA GOP has shown they do not follow Trump blindly. That's some comfort.

[larrymcg421]

Plus the hijinks that will go on with the Senate on the line and this being the only game in town… I’d be far more pessimistic about Warnock’s chances in a runoff personally. There’s plenty of reasons to see more R’s backing Walker, I can’t see the enthusiasm gap for D’s being close to the same.

The Senate might not be on the line if Dems win NV and AZ.

Plus, Warnock and the Dems have now proven they can win a runoff in GA, even when the Senate is on the line.

[Edward64]

I've not heard any crap on elections being stolen so far other than Kari Lake in AZ.

No one that has lost is contesting anything, right? I'll take that as good news.

[Swaggs]

I've not heard any crap on elections being stolen so far other than Kari Lake in AZ.

No one that has lost is contesting anything, right? I'll take that as good news.

and there have been some gracious concessions. So that's a plus.

[sterlingice]

In a local story, Lina Hidalgo was just declared the winner over Alex Mealer for Harris County judge by a narrow margin. Why this matters? The GOP dumped nearly $9M into this race in the last 6 months compared to $3M for the Dems. Because of the structure of counties in state government in Texas, the county judge has a ton of power with regards to how things are run in the county so she's been instrumental in keeping in place mask mandates and allowing open voting across the county (which is where Houston is and has almost 5 million people), unlike much of the state. In short, these are the type of races that can make little blue enclaves in red states (or vice versa) and the GOP targeted it hard, only to come up just short.

SI

[Ksyrup]

I've not heard any crap on elections being stolen so far other than Kari Lake in AZ.

No one that has lost is contesting anything, right? I'll take that as good news.

As of late last night Mastriano wasn't conceding but I don't see any updates as to whether he gave in this morning. If he did I don't think it's public knowledge yet.