Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing

[Lathum]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tourist-submarine-visiting-titanic-wreck-missing-rcna90032

Lost communication and hour and 45 minutes in to expedition. Doesn't look great


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A <a href="https://twitter.com/USCG?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@USCG</a> C-130 crew is searching for an overdue Canadian research submarine approximately 900 miles off <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CapeCod?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CapeCod</a>.<br><br>For more info and inquiries, please email [email protected]</p>&mdash; USCGNortheast (@USCGNortheast) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCGNortheast/status/1670842498317533207?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[CrimsonFox]

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

[CrimsonFox]

This is interesting

One of the missing crew members is Hamish Harding, the billionaire owner and chairman of Action Aviation. A post Sunday on Harding's Instagram account said he was joining OceanGate’s expedition "as a mission specialist" — typically a one-time crew member who pays a fee to join the effort.

[molson]

This is the company's video that promotes the experience.

https://youtu.be/Wi60tvRwRlE

Part of the deal is that you're trained and get some kind of job. You spend 8 days overall on the surface ship, and then go down to the Titanic a couple of times, which takes a few hours. And the tourists "may assist the pilot with coms and tracking" (but it sounds like they mostly take pointless notes). Hopefully some dummy customer didn't screw anything up. Seems like a plot of a Pauly Shore movie.

Also, some guy posted this on the Titanic subreddit 3 months ago about these missions:

"Those 'submarines' that they use during the Oceangate Expeditions aren't legally certified to carry passengers. In order to even get in one you have to sign a waiver acknowledging that they don't get even close to meeting a safety code for deep sea submersibles. They are pieced together from makeshift, largely off the shelf parts and are piloted by a Nintendo Gamecube controller (im not even kidding. look it up)."

This is one of those crazy news stories it's easy to go down rabbit holes about. A couple of other interesting little tidbits: The vessel they go down in is bolted from the outside and there's no way to get out without outside help. So even if it managed to re-surface somewhere, they'd have to be found to not suffocate to death - and it would be hard to find them because the vessel is white with blue decals. But most of the smart people talking about this think it's most likely that there was some kind of structural damage, which would have caused the vessel to implode and crumple instantly like a soda can from the ocean pressure and sink to the bottom.

I saw another video of a guy describing the experience - I would not be interested if I had the money. You're in a tin can the size of a minivan for about 8 hours, just sitting against the wall, 5 people. They can only shit and piss in a ziplock bag. There's a "pilot" but he has no idea where he is, he relies on short text messages sent from the surface ship that stay stuff like, "turn right for 10 minutes, then go straight". And there's one tiny portal window you can look out and maybe get a glimpse, one at at a time, at some Titanic wreckage.

[CrimsonFox]

That's scary shit molson. :(

I can't even fathom (no pun intended) how those expeditions don't have a million cameras inside and out with people on the boat constantly monitoring them! I was confused at the part where it said it was a tourist submarine yet there were five CREW members. So what you're saying is they just call the tourists "Crew". It's good that they are actually training them before they go. But that makes it make sense they called them that when it's not really true. That billionaire was a tourist. Other than that I wonder how many others were.

[molson]

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

[CrimsonFox]

It's at the bottom of the freakin ocean! It's not finding Nemo!

[whomario]

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

I love going on adventures. I also love to always get to do one more after.

This whole operation seems insane.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y’all please watch this. It’s a CBS story that aired a while back about that submarine that is now missing. The creators of that missing submarine are DEEPLY unserious. <a href="https://t.co/B6JriITyZj">pic.twitter.com/B6JriITyZj</a></p>&mdash; Marie, MSN, APRN, FNP-C (@FnpMarieOH) <a href="https://twitter.com/FnpMarieOH/status/1670931677013524487?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[CrimsonFox]

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

[CrimsonFox]

What to know about the missing vessel, 'Titan'
The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for the missing research submersible that disappeared Sunday.
The wreckage of the Titanic, the iconic ocean liner that sank more than a century ago, is located 900 nautical miles east of Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
The sub had up to 96 hours of oxygen supply, the U.S. Coast Guard said.
The price of a spot on the submersible was $250,000. It was only on its third trip since OceanGate Expeditions began offering them in 2021.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

If there wasn't a billionaire on board then voyage probably wouldn't have occurred. I mean, who else spends $250k for this?

I think a better question might be whether if this was somewhere area other than the Titanic whether it'd be getting the media coverage.

[Lathum]

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

[sovereignstar v2]

One of the best movies of all-time.....

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YRnS-RowqTA/WTS7TypSwEI/AAAAAAAAL_U/xMsthWxB1dIBVm0K6AWFpIe9kuVkoAh1QCLcB/s1600/17085764_401.jpg

[CrimsonFox]

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

*ahem*

PRINGLES can!

[molson]

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

[CrimsonFox]

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

uh oh a despair squid!
They'll all end up looking like this!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Back_to_Reality_%28Red_Dwarf%29.jpg

[bhlloy]

If we needed any more evidence that having massive amounts of money does not equal being life smart… adventure is going up Everest or swimming the English Channel. The more info that comes out about this the more it looks like planned suicide.

[CrimsonFox]

I personally think they found Bioshock's Rapture

[bronconick]

To be fair, going up Everest is suicide for about 98% of people.

[CrimsonFox]

The worst thing about this is that a script for a TV movie of the week is already being written about this probably.

And I agree bron. Going up everest is bad even for pros.
Heck when I lived in seattle I would constantly hear about the casualties on the cascades and other smaller mountains.

[CrimsonFox]

There has been banging heard by the Sonar deployed. They say in half hour intervals. This has gotten people's hopes up.

Another interview just now echoes my sentiments. That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*

They really needed to get Sig, Keith, Jonathan, WIld Bill, Josh, and Casey on the case. I bet they could find them.

[Edward64]

I'd rather have Jonas Taylor come rescue me.

[molson]

That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*



Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

[CrimsonFox]

I really am freaked out about this. It's sad that such stupidity leads to this.

[CrimsonFox]

Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

It's possible...that if they sank . I was thinking about sinking theories. Like Okay it sinks for some reason. So if it hurtles downward and crashes on the bottom it could really wedge itself into the ground.

However...the other thing. It takes 2 and a half hours to reach the titanic on the bottom. And they lost contact at 1:45 I think. So if they never got there, they might be on ann underwaterplateau...but worse thought if they plummeted below some shelves...and even if the thing floats it just is stuck on the "ceiling" . oh it's such a big ocean

i'm freaking out.

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

[Atocep]

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

[Ksyrup]

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

[CrimsonFox]

Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

hahahahahahahahahaha

[CrimsonFox]

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

There will be documentaries first :(
then biopic

[CrimsonFox]

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

[Lathum]

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

I would take virtually instant death over agonizing in total darkness with 4 other people in a run can waiting for my air to run out. I’m claustrophobic AF so I wouldn’t ever be in that thing but I can not imagine the horror.

[Lathum]

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

The pressure that deep under the sea is immense. If there was a structural failure with the vessel because of the pressure it would be crushed instantly and everyone on board killed in literally a millisecond. The human body would be liquified.

[Swaggs]

Yeah. This stuff is nightmare fuel. I would take instant death over helplessly sitting in the dark waiting to suffocate.

This image puts into perspective how deep and how much water is between rescuers and the Titanic: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82303921419?pwd=TnROQ3NBQnJWbVlJbnpLcmpHVXNvdz09

Image link doesn't work, but from this article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1782966/ocean-depth-titanic-sub-rescue-spt

[GrantDawg]

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Somebody simply has to write the ultimate catch-all essay on disruptive, libertarian, private-sector-touting entrepreneurs simply begging and demanding for state intervention at the end of their journeys. (This is the Titan sub company's adviser.) <a href="https://t.co/dsB9YLln8w">pic.twitter.com/dsB9YLln8w</a></p>&mdash; Eve Fairbanks (@evefairbanks) <a href="https://twitter.com/evefairbanks/status/1671501664396750851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Qwikshot]

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

Think of it as a reverse explosion.

[Sweed]

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Somebody simply has to write the ultimate catch-all essay on disruptive, libertarian, private-sector-touting entrepreneurs simply begging and demanding for state intervention at the end of their journeys. (This is the Titan sub company's adviser.) <a href="https://t.co/dsB9YLln8w">pic.twitter.com/dsB9YLln8w</a></p>&mdash; Eve Fairbanks (@evefairbanks) <a href="https://twitter.com/evefairbanks/status/1671501664396750851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Suppose he will count himself among those that "did not do their job"?

[stevew]

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

Implosion-

think mass volumes of loose styrofoam being pressed into a cube.

[RainMaker]

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

It's just taxpayer money, who cares.

[RainMaker]

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

[Lathum]

Because this story needs more weirdness. This kid seems like a real peach.

Titanic Submarine Billionaire's Son Went To Blink-182 Show (https://uproxx.com/indie/titanic-submarine-son-blink-182-show/)

[cartman]

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

[Critch]

Company behind missing Titan sub allegedly fired a director for raising concerns about the vessel and its potential to expose passengers to ‘extreme danger’ (https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/)

Apparently they were using a porthole certified to 1500m for dives beyond 3000m. What could possibly go wrong there?

[Ksyrup]

From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

So the can opener they have on the surface is going to be of no use now?

[CrimsonFox]

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

[SirFozzie]

because water transmits sound very weirdly. you can hear intermittent banging but there's nowhere enough info to get a direction nor a distance beyond vague "maybe that way?"

That's why sonar pings are so powerful, because they have to be to find something and reflect back

It could be that they grounded themselves iin the shelf near the Titanic.

[Ksyrup]

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

[CrimsonFox]

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

[JonInMiddleGA]

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.

[Lathum]

WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

but they have bands


lets be real, these people are dead

[stevew]

I’m just gonna go ahead and call it now. They are all dead and everyone can go home.

[CrimsonFox]

This event has not diswayed me from staying inside and playing computer games :(

[RainMaker]

That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.


I guess it's a quick death but not a pleasant thought.

[Qwikshot]

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

K. Sorry my oversimplification stumbled you.

Squeeze a lemon in your hand and it’s the same thing only do it in like a millisecond.

[CrimsonFox]

K. Sorry my oversimplification stumbled you.

Squeeze a lemon in your hand and it’s the same thing only do it in like a millisecond.

Best analogy yet <3 YOU WIN!

[NobodyHere]

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[SirFozzie]

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

[CrimsonFox]

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

that's not even a joke because that's GOING to HAPPEN

[Edward64]

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

The U.S. Coast Guard said Thursday that an underwater vessel has located a debris field near the Titanic in the search for a missing submersible with five people aboard, a potential breakthrough in the around-the-clock effort.

[CrimsonFox]

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

i tell ya man I've been really stressing about this. The fact that we don't know anything has made it worse. I've been really praying for them. I think what has made it far worse is that the press picked up on that "they heard banging every half hour" story. And when no new news developments happen they just repeat that and even worse, make crap up around that that give us false hope about it. That has made mje think how horrible it is to be in a can for 5 days just waiting for help.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

Which will begin to beg the question of "then what were those banging sounds they supposedly heard?"

I mean, an implosion since then surely would have been picked up by the search vessels overhead.

[CrimsonFox]

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

It reminds me of this:

https://dai.ly/x2n46wc

[SirFozzie]

For the love of.. please find a way to resize that or delete it CF, it's way too huge.

[CrimsonFox]

For the love of.. please find a way to resize that or delete it CF, it's way too huge.

is it? perfectly fits for me. ARe you on your phone?

And fyi this site has always been horrible with graphics. It's really the only forum I"ve ever been that doesn't resize things automatically

[CrimsonFox]

there

[Edward64]

Which will begin to beg the question of "then what were those banging sounds they supposedly heard?"

I mean, an implosion since then surely would have been picked up by the search vessels overhead.

Maybe it imploded early, on descent e.g. before any search vessels

[SirFozzie]

is it? perfectly fits for me. ARe you on your phone?

And fyi this site has always been horrible with graphics. It's really the only forum I"ve ever been that doesn't resize things automatically

Firefox on PC

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maybe it imploded early, on descent e.g. before any search vessels

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking ... but then what was all the "banging" noises we heard about?

[dubb93]

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking ... but then what was all the "banging" noises we heard about?

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

I guess I'm hoping that the tech has improved in the past 50 years, but it's certainly possible

[cartman]

What always bugged me about the reports of hearing banging was that the hull of the thing was carbon fiber. I wouldn't think it would generate much of a sound like hitting metal would.

[bhlloy]

Sounds like they’ve found a debris field containing bits of the sub.

I read the banging was quite possibly other bits of the Titanic wreckage in the water, I don’t think it was never clarified how regular or much of a cadence it was. Also that the carbon fiber the sub was made of probably wasn’t the most conducive to sending these kinds of messages as first thought.

[CrimsonFox]

What always bugged me about the reports of hearing banging was that the hull of the thing was carbon fiber. I wouldn't think it would generate much of a sound like hitting metal would.

It bugged me that there was sound happening and people are saying there isn't technology available to detect where it is coming from. That makes no sense.

also that sound was detected by the planes.

[CrimsonFox]

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

same i went down that rabbit hole too

[bronconick]

Well, the tin can crunched.

[CrimsonFox]

:(

[GrantDawg]

It was always the most likely outcome.

[CrimsonFox]

And of course they asked James Cameron to weigh in :P

[CrimsonFox]

It was always the most likely outcome.

At least the schroedinger's Cat situation is over since we've "looked inside the box"

[CrimsonFox]

Ya know the last time I was this engaged in a rescue effort was Baby Jessica that fell down the well...

[molson]

And of course they asked James Cameron to weigh in :P

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

[Ghost Econ]

Ya know the last time I was this engaged in a rescue effort was Baby Jessica that fell down the well...

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

[molson]

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

I remember that epic FOFC thread

what better child stuck in well or child stuck on balloon? - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=75087)

That kid is 20 now.

[Lathum]

Seeing reports the kid was terrified and didn’t want to go but did it for his dad on Father’s Day.

[Ghost Econ]

It's weird they've been dead pretty much the entire time but they didn't really say they were until the official time had passed.

[RainMaker]

I don't know how accurate the "banging" stories are. And it seems like when you get that low, the technology is just not there to be that accurate.



It does seem like the Navy figured early on that they were dead.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission. <a href="https://t.co/PFuUWuXTzz">https://t.co/PFuUWuXTzz</a></p>&mdash; Ben Pershing (@benpershing) <a href="https://twitter.com/benpershing/status/1672007496502837255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[RainMaker]

Also cool to spend like a hundred million dollars searching for people who we knew were vaporized a few days ago. Could use of resources by everyone involved.

[GrantDawg]

They spend that on the average training exercise, which is basically what this was.

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[RainMaker]

Seems the billionaire also got a half a million dollar PPP loan for his death capsule too.

[flere-imsaho]

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

Yeah, read the wikipedia article about the process to develop the sub for his Challenger Deep mission. Completely different from this. They designed multiple redundant systems, including for the failsafes, and the tested every component relentlessly to destruction multiple times. They had a whole series of trial runs and pulled out of several when they encountered unexpected problems, and then spent time diagnosing those problems, developing solutions, and testing those solutions also to destruction.

By all accounts a completely thorough and professional operation, unlike this one. Now, not all of it was done by Cameron, but at the very least he supported all of that described above, if not actively demanded it.

[CrimsonFox]

I remember that epic FOFC thread

what better child stuck in well or child stuck on balloon? - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=75087)

That kid is 20 now.

that's quite an epic thread. I don't even remember that.

[CrimsonFox]

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

that's not very old.

[PilotMan]

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.


This was always the mostly likely outcome. Quick and incredibly violent.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But only today did I realize that the hoaxing parents of Balloon boy were pardoned a few years ago

'Balloon Boy' Parents Pardoned By Colorado Governor for 2009 Hoax : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/12/24/950074173/balloon-boy-parents-pardoned-by-colorado-governor-for-2009-hoax)

[CrimsonFox]

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

WOW! Just watched ANderson Cooper interviewing him! He's a genius about this stuff. He even told another sub company to stop what they were doing because they were going to die if they got in their sub. Didn't with this one. But he said carbgon fiber can't sustain that kind of pressure after multiple dives. That each pressure wave creates stress and weakened the structure so that you may have a couple successful dives and then it will fail. WHich is what happened.

What is the attraction to make a SUB lightweight anyway?
That's silly. It's not like it's a plane. I would think that underwater it's the design not the material that makes things go faster...but you're dealing with underwater...and that whole can of worms...i don't think speed is a good thing.

Oh one last thing cameron said. He criticized that there was an "alarm" for a failing structure because just NEEDING that speaks that it isn't safe and not a good design.

[Kodos]

I hereby nominate Stockton Rush for the Darwin Award.

[bryce]

Oh one last thing cameron said. He criticized that there was an "alarm" for a failing structure because just NEEDING that speaks that it isn't safe and not a good design.

That's one thing I've wondered. Did they know there were issues before the implosion? Would there have been a warning or signal that things were not good? Or were they just hanging out one minute, and then poof?

[JPhillips]

The implosion itself would have been faster than the human brain can process, so they wouldn't have been aware, but we'll probably never know what signs, if any, they had before the catastrophe.

[PilotMan]

Not the headline we wanted, but the headline we needed.

Joe Exotic Blasts Dan Crenshaw for Promoting OceanGate Conspiracy Theories: ‘No One Could Have Done Anything'

[JPhillips]

Reading about carbon fiber hulls and the whole idea for deep submersion sounds negligent.

[Atocep]

It sounds like they had dropped the ballast and were trying to ascend. So they likely knew something was wrong. It takes something like 30 milliseconds for the implosion to happen though so there's no time to comprehend or feel anything.

[bryce]

Bringing it back to sports... If the Titans start strong and collapse, either in a game or overall in the season, who will be the first sportscaster to say they imploded?

[CrimsonFox]

The mystery of the banging noises has been solved:

"Some now believe those noises were the ghosts of the deceased, clanging away at the bottom of the ocean so at least their fate could be known."

[dubb93]

hxxps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM

Example of a train car imploding.

[CrimsonFox]

So remember how Leonardo Dicaprio wasn't even supposed to be on the titanic? Someone else was but then he won a hand of poker and suddenly he was going?

There is a parallel.

Originally two of the occupants were going to be a billionaire and his son...altho not the billionaire that actually WAS on the trip. The CEO guy...Salvadore Rush or wahtever his name was that piloted the ship sent him several texts BEGGING him to go on the trip saying..."OH YEAH THIS THING IS SAFE. IT'S SO SAFE. It's SAFER THAN RIDING IN A PLANE, a car, a boat. It's SAFER THAN CROSSING THE STREET!"
After that the billionaire pulled him and his son off the list. That opened up two spots....
and suddenly....
Shahdaddy Dawood was contacted and HE got the magic willy wonka tickets so...then suddenly 19 year old Suleman Dawood was made to go on this trip...that he didn't have any idea about and then didn't wanna go on.

Cute story eh?

[CrimsonFox]

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[CrimsonFox]

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[CrimsonFox]

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So in this case the cement block represented two previous trips to the titanic and several pressure tests in a pool damaging the structure already

[CrimsonFox]

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This is a fascinating event I had never heard of

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[CrimsonFox]

and just bevcause I've gone down a mythbusters rabbit hole,I had to find the answer to this
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[cuervo72]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When they announced the sub had imploded on Thursday, my husband said “oh a guy on texags shared that info on Monday”</p>&mdash; Sarah Cooper (@itssarahcooper) <a href="https://twitter.com/itssarahcooper/status/1672451109598687232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Texags had this three days ago.

[RainMaker]

But only today did I realize that the hoaxing parents of Balloon boy were pardoned a few years ago

'Balloon Boy' Parents Pardoned By Colorado Governor for 2009 Hoax : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/12/24/950074173/balloon-boy-parents-pardoned-by-colorado-governor-for-2009-hoax)

Well that is weird. Especially since they have kept proclaiming their innocence.

[RainMaker]

They spend that on the average training exercise, which is basically what this was.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If your kid gets cancer in the US, and you’re not insured, it will either not be fully treated and/or hospital bills will bankrupt you.<br><br>If a billionaire builds a death trap and takes it for an underwater excursion, the government will pay for the very expensive rescue mission.</p>&mdash; Halli (@iamharaldur) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1673114542988050433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GrantDawg]

If you think that the money spent on the rescue would have some how paid for cancer treatments if saved, I have a very sad thing to break to you. That was never going to happen.

[Bobble]

Maybe I'm naïve but I've not often seen the emergency response be greatly tied to wealth. "Someone's lost? Pull their W-2s to see if we even need to leave the dock."

[Edward64]

I think it can be argued that wealthier people have more disposable income to put them in more complex situations (e.g. this incident, going up in space etc.) requiring more public funds/effort to rescue if needed.

But yeah, overall it doesn't have much to do with wealth. If anything, it's more significant political connections than wealth.

Now if it was at the uber level of Elon, Zuck, Gates, Buffet etc. I do think there would be more "effort" put in. But regular multi-millionaires and billionaires, nah.

[molson]

Maybe I'm naïve but I've not often seen the emergency response be greatly tied to wealth. "Someone's lost? Pull their W-2s to see if we even need to leave the dock."

I don't get the apparent dynamic at play where if it's just researchers or something they wouldn't bother with a rescue attempt. That's pretty insulting to the rescuers. Cynicism for Cynicism's sake.

You can read about all kinds of rescue missions of all kinds of people, including of sick scientists in Antarctica and the efforts that go into that.

[henry296]

Some people are comparing the cost/effort for the Titan with the Greek shipwreck that happened at the same time.

[molson]

Some people are comparing the cost/effort for the Titan with the Greek shipwreck that happened at the same time.

I think it was different entities involved with those two rescues. And I don't think the Greek Coast Guard contributed anything to the titanic rescue mission.

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Texags had this three days ago.


They have nothing on Sportsdigs. Nothing.

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[PilotMan]

I think it was different entities involved with those two rescues. And I don't think the Greek Coast Guard contributed anything to the titanic rescue mission.


agree with molson on this one. It's not a relevant comp. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

[RainMaker]

Maybe I'm naïve but I've not often seen the emergency response be greatly tied to wealth. "Someone's lost? Pull their W-2s to see if we even need to leave the dock."

I don't think your average fishing boat would get this kind of response from the Navy and Coast Guard. I know people on boats between Cuba and Florida sure don't.

If you think that the money spent on the rescue would have some how paid for cancer treatments if saved, I have a very sad thing to break to you. That was never going to happen.

Yeah, I know it wouldn't. Just a way of seeing where our priorities are as a country. Imagine if that money went into some form of infrastructure.

[henry296]

I think it was different entities involved with those two rescues. And I don't think the Greek Coast Guard contributed anything to the titanic rescue mission.

The perception is that the US Coast Guard could've helped in both situations but chose to help only the Titan.

[Lathum]

The perception is that the US Coast Guard could've helped in both situations but chose to help only the Titan.

I blame Hunter Biden.

[GrantDawg]

If they were pretty and blonde, they would spare no expense.

[molson]

The perception is that the US Coast Guard could've helped in both situations but chose to help only the Titan.

I've seen people criticizing the Greek Coast Guard, but blaming U.S. rescuers for that incident seems like a bit of a stretch, and I couldn't find anyone even suggesting that they had the ability/jurisdiction/notice/invitation to do anything.

[GrantDawg]

I don't think your average fishing boat would get this kind of response from the Navy and Coast Guard. I know people on boats between Cuba and Florida sure don't.

Really?
On October 30, 1991, the vessel was reported overdue. An extensive air and land search was launched by the 106th Rescue Wing from the New York Air National Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Air_National_Guard), United States Coast Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard), and Canadian Coast Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Coast_Guard) forces. The search eventually covered over 186,000 sq nmi (640,000 km²).<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference">[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Gail#cite_note-5)</sup>
On November 6, 1991, Andrea Gail's emergency position-indicating radio beacon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPIRB) (EPIRB) was discovered washed up on the shore of Sable Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sable_Island) in Nova Scotia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia). The EPIRB was designed to automatically send out a distress signal upon contact with sea water, but the Canadian Coast Guard personnel who found the beacon "did not conclusively verify whether the control switch was in the on or off position".<sup id="cite_ref-cg_2-4" class="reference">[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Gail#cite_note-cg-2)</sup> Authorities called off the search for the missing vessel on November 9, 1991, due to the low probability of crew survival.<sup id="cite_ref-cg_2-5" class="reference">[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Gail#cite_note-cg-2)</sup>
Fuel drums, a fuel tank, the EPIRB, an empty life raft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_raft), and some other flotsam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flotsam) were the only wreckage found. The ship was presumed lost at sea somewhere along the continental shelf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_shelf) near Sable Island.<sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup>

Sounds pretty extensive for a non-billionaire fishing boat.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I've seen people criticizing the Greek Coast Guard, but blaming U.S. rescuers for that incident seems like a bit of a stretch, and I couldn't find anyone even suggesting that they had the ability/jurisdiction/notice/invitation to do anything.

People addicted to victimhood and jealousy have mastered the art of stretching.

[CrimsonFox]

wait a sec...how is US supposed to help people in greece?
LIke there are all those other european countries there already

[CrimsonFox]

So we are now seeing all these articles and posts about how bad the bad passengers were and how good the good passengers were.
So sad.

[CrimsonFox]

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[RainMaker]

Really?

Sounds pretty extensive for a non-billionaire fishing boat.

Cool story from 30 years ago that was national headlines.

You don't have to look far for the difference in response. A fishing charter got lost a few weeks ago with a family on board in Alaska. The response was a few Coast Guard ships and private fisherman who went looking. No Navy, no Canadians, no UK, no French. No thousand mile search radius, no robots, no surveillance planes.

Do you think when a migrant boat capsizes near Florida, they get the same response as these people? Do you think you would get the same response if your fishing boat went missing in the Atlantic?

And lets not forget that the Navy knew the sub imploded early on and everyone was dead. All this was just for show.

[GrantDawg]

All the resources you listed weren't used in Alaska because the weren't looking for wreckage of a submarine. It is almost like you hqve to use different resources for different situations. Funny that. And even with the surveillance hearing the explosion, they had to find the wreckage for confirmation.
As for immigrants, that is pure politics. There are political ramifications when dealing with asylum seekers.

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[RainMaker]

I'm also fine with taxpayer money going to save people in international waters around the globe. It's a better use of our military than losing wars in the Middle East. But the amount of resources that went into saving these people who we knew were dead is not normal.

[RainMaker]

All the resources you listed weren't used in Alaska because the weren't looking for wreckage of a submarine. It is almost like you hqve to use different resources for different situations. Funny that. And even with the surveillance hearing the explosion, they had to find the wreckage for confirmation.

Why are we putting in those kind of resources for the wreckage of a submarine? The Navy knew they were fish food immediately. From what I've read,it was a private vessel, and there is no real national security issue in finding the fragments of metal that survived the implosion.

As for immigrants, that is pure politics. There are political ramifications when dealing with asylum seekers.

What makes this sub different from a boat coming from Haiti? You can save people and send them back to their country if necessary.

[GrantDawg]

First point: They knew but they didn't. It is like a plane going off radar into a mountain. They would never confirm it till they found the plane. And it isn't easy finding wreckage under thousands of feet of sea. They'll spend huge amount of time and manpower on a plane wreck that is hard to find as well. That's what these guys do.
Second: Because once on a US military ship, they can claim asylum. They legally can't be returned back to their originating port by US and international maritime laws. As it is, a large portion of the Coast Guard resources are dedicated to dealing with asylum seekers because they also have a legal obligation to help anyone they come across in distress. It is not like they aren't doing anything.

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[CrimsonFox]

i'm still really cheesed off about this whole "military knew they were dead on Monday" thing. I want answers
rainmaker, give me those answers.

I'm almost thinking that everyone that said they knew....didn't REALLY know

[GrantDawg]

The US has a huge line of microphones in the waters to listen and keep track of submarines. Reports say those microphones picked up an explosion toward where the sub sho6ld have been around the time they lost contact. They thought it was likely the sub was lost. That is not confirmation, which they really didn't have till they found the wreckage.

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[RainMaker]

First point: They knew but they didn't. It is like a plane going off radar into a mountain. They would never confirm it till they found the plane. And it isn't easy finding wreckage under thousands of feet of sea. They'll spend huge amount of time and manpower on a plane wreck that is hard to find as well. That's what these guys do.
Second: Because once on a US military ship, they can claim asylum. They legally can't be returned back to their originating port by US and international maritime laws. As it is, a large portion of the Coast Guard resources are dedicated to dealing with asylum seekers because they also have a legal obligation to help anyone they come across in distress. It is not like they aren't doing anything.

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1) Planes are licensed and regulated by the government. There's a responsibility to ensure no crime was committed and that the cause is determined to protect other planes. The investigation into plane crashes lead to valuable information that save countless lives. There is nothing of value to be gained from recovering what's left of this guys toy sub unless the Coast Guard is opening a souvenir shop.

2) Not sure what you're getting at here. Should search and rescue missions be based on the likelihood of whether the person files for asylum? Worth noting that 4 of the 5 passengers were foreign citizens.

[CrimsonFox]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/business/james-crown-obit/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2jtRF_MDqeNxiNRsjqv4B8qCkIfare46Oyf7sZtjUU5zn4UAGCO9TZbMw

um...guys...
we've got a serial killer on the loose now. That's the second billionaire in a week to die

[Edward64]

70 years old and still driving, and on a race track. More power to him, died doing a hobby he enjoyed.

[CrimsonFox]

seriously get columbo

[Brian Swartz]

The perception is that the US Coast Guard could've helped in both situations but chose to help only the Titan.

I think that perception is ridiculous, for reasons stated by CrimsonFox. The US Coast Guard is the US Coast Guard, not the Worldwide Coast Guard.

[CrimsonFox]

someone said I was right about something? marking this day down!

[RainMaker]

I think that perception is ridiculous, for reasons stated by CrimsonFox. The US Coast Guard is the US Coast Guard, not the Worldwide Coast Guard.


What did this sub have to do with the US?

[BYU 14]

What did this sub have to do with the US?

You pretty much just always need something to criticize, what does any of these tragedies have to do with the US in the literal sense?

To imply that the Coast Guard chooses who and how much to help based on status, wealth or anything else is ridiculous. In terms of the Navy being involved it was because their sensors picked up the implosion, which, as has been mentioned they couldn't confirm until wreckage was found.

Meanwhile right wing nut jobs are using the storyline that the Navy didn't say anything because people thinking there was still a chance of the crew being found, distracted people from Hunter Biden.

Sometimes the narratives are better than the truth I guess, which is the Navy and Coast Guard followed standard protocol.

[CrimsonFox]

my point was...there's no way the US or canada could help rescue a boat in Greece bercause we AREN'T THERE. I mean unless we have some boats there that are able to help.

The sub thing was....whoever was in the area raced to help!
Watch an episode of Deadliest Catch. Every season they highlight a rescue from the coast guard. Sometimes they are not successful. sometimes they are. It is always a race against time and always the nearest boat races to try to help...because that's what you do.

[BYU 14]

my point was...there's no way the US or canada could help rescue a boat in Greece bercause we AREN'T THERE. I mean unless we have some boats there that are able to help.

The sub thing was....whoever was in the area raced to help!
Watch an episode of Deadliest Catch. Every season they highlight a rescue from the coast guard. Sometimes they are not successful. sometimes they are. It is always a race against time and always the nearest boat races to try to help...because that's what you do.

Exactly

[CrimsonFox]

the whole compating this to immigrants coming to florida in boats...
hmmm that's a toughie. I mean they happen so often.
isn't it just lots of little boats? or is there bigger ones too. dunno. I guess it would be easy enough just to have a boat there permenently for such thing.
but yeah it's not like anyone can see some of them or know they are coming.

[Edward64]

If someone really believes the US Coast Guard sits by idly while a boat, containing legal/illegal people, is sinking off the coast of Florida ... I'd like to see the links.

I can clearly see some mis-judgements and errors, but willing to bet the US Coast Guard comes in to help in vast majority of cases.

[GrantDawg]

If someone really believes the US Coast Guard sits by idly while a boat, containing legal/illegal people, is sinking off the coast of Florida ... I'd like to see the links.

I can clearly see some mis-judgements and errors, but willing to bet the US Coast Guard comes in to help in vast majority of cases.
They actually spend a large part of their time scouring the Keys for just that. It is a part of their mission, and they take that very seriously.

[Edward64]

They actually spend a large part of their time scouring the Keys for just that. It is a part of their mission, and they take that very seriously.

Absolutely. I don't understand the whataboutism or as many here like to call out, the "both sides".

Oh, maybe its not the actual saving (because we know that happens), maybe it's how they are treated on the Coast Guard boat or sent back if illegal?

[RainMaker]

my point was...there's no way the US or canada could help rescue a boat in Greece bercause we AREN'T THERE. I mean unless we have some boats there that are able to help.

I think our entire 6th fleet is there.

The sub thing was....whoever was in the area raced to help!
Watch an episode of Deadliest Catch. Every season they highlight a rescue from the coast guard. Sometimes they are not successful. sometimes they are. It is always a race against time and always the nearest boat races to try to help...because that's what you do.

They sent out over a dozen Coast Guard vessels, three C-130s, three C-17s, along with whatever the Canadians sent.

If you think a fishing boat out of Alaska (which we just had a few weeks ago) or migrants coming from Haiti, the Bahamas, or Cuba receive that kind of response, I've got some bad news for you.

[CrimsonFox]

whoa where did you find that liost ?

[GrantDawg]

I think our entire 6th fleet is there.



They sent out over a dozen Coast Guard vessels, three C-130s, three C-17s, along with whatever the Canadians sent.

If you think a fishing boat out of Alaska (which we just had a few weeks ago) or migrants coming from Haiti, the Bahamas, or Cuba receive that kind of response, I've got some bad news for you.
I don't know why we keep arguing this, but again: Finding a fishing boat doesn't require the same level of requirement that it does to find a sub thousands of feet under water. It is like comparing apples and zebras.

[RainMaker]

There's like a thousand articles on the response to Titan. This one mentions the planes but is vague on what the additional "assets" the Air National Guard, Coast Guard, and Navy sent.

Here's How the Military Is Helping Search for the Lost Titanic-Bound Sub | Military.com (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/06/20/heres-how-military-helping-search-lost-titanic-bound-sub.html)

[Edward64]

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

Presumed human remains have been found within the wreckage of the Titan submersible, the US Coast Guard says.

Pieces from the sub, which imploded on a deep dive to the Titanic, were unloaded in St John's, Canada, on Wednesday.

Officials say the sub's landing frame and a rear cover were found among the debris.

US medical professionals will conduct a formal analysis of presumed remains, the coast guard said in a statement.

[GrantDawg]

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.
My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.

My wife had a friend whose dad worked as a crime scene photographer for Atlanta Police. He on the other hand had no problem showing us his most gruesome pics. He had one of guy that jumped from the top floor of the Hyatt Regency downtown and landed half on a planter in the lobby. That one has never left me.

[BYU 14]

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.

My wife had a friend whose dad worked as a crime scene photographer for Atlanta Police. He on the other hand had no problem showing us his most gruesome pics. He had one of guy that jumped from the top floor of the Hyatt Regency downtown and landed half on a planter in the lobby. That one has never left me.

When I worked for Orkin mid 80's one of my accounts was the Compton Police Station and I was always escorted by someone I could best describe as Barney Fife, they didn't even let him have a gun. He was always eager to show me crime scene photos, that I really had no interest in seeing, but he literally shoved them into my face.

Another thing I learned from that place is how shoddy some crime scene evidence is maintained, it was eye opening.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

Largely, in my experience, a learned response. As GD noted, there's a definite dark humor that's common among the various professions where that sort of thing is (relative to the rest of us) encountered more frequently.

I know just from my news gathering days you build up a certain resistance, as well as coping mechanisms. Every fire/police/EMT I ever knew had about 50x the armor to it I had and I was pretty fn detatched after 10 years or so. Go to enough fatal wrecks, fatal fires, drowning recoveries and you have to find a way to deal with it.

The thing is though, of the various ones I got to know even reasonably well, I don't know if there were any who I ever came across who didn't run into the occasional thing that was simply too much. That's part of my conviction that it's a learned / practiced response. If it were innate somehow then those things that break through would be less likely to come up IMO.

[Lathum]

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.
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Accurate. One of my best friends is a firefighter in Cincinnati. He has seen some shit. Works in OTR which is a very bad area. HE is pretty much desensitized. Kids get him, he sees a lot of people who have ODed while driving, gun violence, etc...

[CrimsonFox]

Anderson Cooper directed a special presentation now on CNN about the entire week and the details of the sub. Fills in some much needed blanks.

I didn't realize the billionaire ALSO went into Space with Bezos.

I think it was only a matter of time...

I equate him to the vampire lord in Vampire Hunter D that lived for 1000s of years and was just bored with everything

[flere-imsaho]

The US Coast Guard is, by far, the most useful and productive not only of all the Armed Forces, but any part of the DHS, and also more than most police departments. (https://uscgboating.org/content/us-coast-guard-facts.php#:~:text=In%20a%20single%20year%2C%20the,than%20%2477%20million%20in%20property.)

This is from a few years ago, but gets the point across:

In a single year, the Coast Guard:

Responded to 19,790 Search and Rescue cases, saved 3,560 lives and more than $77 million in property.
Removed 107 metric tons of cocaine bound toward the U.S. via the Transit Zone.
Continued the deployment of six Patrol Boats and 400 personnel to protect Iraqi critical maritime oil infrastructure and train Iraqi naval forces.
Conducted 919 escorts and patrols to support 190 domestic U.S. military cargo out-loads.
Conducted 25,500 container inspections, 5,000 facility safety and marine pollution related inspections, and 1,195 cargo transfer monitors to ensure safety and environmental stewardship of the maritime domain.
Conducted 1,424 boardings of high interest vessels designated as posing a greater-than-normal risk to the United States.
Interdicted nearly 3,000 undocumented migrants attempting to illegally enter the United States.
Conducted over 3,700 safety and security exams on vessels operating on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf.
Conducted over 11,600 annual inspections on U.S. flag vessels inspected and certificated in accordance with 46 Code of Federal Regulation (CFR) 2.01-7.
Conducted 4,603 investigations for reportable marine casualties involving commercial vessels.
Conducted over 49,000 recreational vessel boardings, issued over 12,000 citations, and visited 1,150 recreational boat manufacturers in conjunction with state efforts to provide education and ensure compliance with federal regulations.
Conducted over 6,000 fisheries conservation boardings.
Investigated and responded to over 3,300 pollution incidents.
Verified more than 70,000 Transportation Worker Identification Credentials.
Screened over 436,000 vessels, including over 117,000 commercial vessels and 29.5 million crew members and passengers

What else happens during an average day?


Small boats are underway for 396 sorties/missions.
Aircraft fly 164 missions, logging 324 hours, of which 19 hours are flown off patrolling cutters.
Law enforcement teams board 144 vessels.
Cutter and small boat crews interdict and rescue 14 illegal immigrants.
Marine Safety personnel open 8 new cases for marine violation of federal statutes.
Marine Inspectors board 100 large vessels for port safety checks.
Vessel examiners conduct 20 commercial fishing vessel safety exams and issue 11 fishing vessel compliance decals.
Pollution investigators respond to 20 oil or hazardous chemical spills totaling 2,800 gallons.
Buoy tenders and Aids to Navigational Teams service 135 aids to navigation.
Vessel Traffic Service controllers assist 2,509 commercial ships entering & leaving U.S. ports.
Auxiliarists conduct 377 vessel safety checks and teach boating safety courses to 550 boaters.
Tell me more!


The U.S. Coast Guard seizes 1 drug smuggling vessel every five days.
Icebreakers and buoy tenders assist 196,938 tons of shipping daily during the Great Lakes ice season.
International Ice Patrol sorties provide ice safety information to facilitate the 163,238 tons of shipping during the North Atlantic ice season.
The Coast Guard is smaller than the New York City Police Department.

[RainMaker]

The thing is though, of the various ones I got to know even reasonably well, I don't know if there were any who I ever came across who didn't run into the occasional thing that was simply too much. That's part of my conviction that it's a learned / practiced response. If it were innate somehow then those things that break through would be less likely to come up IMO.

My college roommate spent his whole life wanting to be a cop. Studied law enforcement at school and became a state trooper right out of school. Really tough, stoic guy. Worked for 15 years and one day took a call for an unresponsive child. The 1-year old had been beaten to death (I think the baby was barely alive when they arrived and died later at a hospital) by the father who was angry at the mother about something.

Anyway, said that was it and now works at a Farm & Fleet. And this isn't a guy who was easily rattled. He did emergency relief work after hurricanes and other disasters. I know he came across his share of dead bodies.

[PilotMan]

Accurate. One of my best friends is a firefighter in Cincinnati. He has seen some shit. Works in OTR which is a very bad area. HE is pretty much desensitized. Kids get him, he sees a lot of people who have ODed while driving, gun violence, etc...


OTR has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. It's still got some very sketchy areas, but by and large, it's gentrified with lots of bars, breweries, and restaurants.

[Lathum]

OTR has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. It's still got some very sketchy areas, but by and large, it's gentrified with lots of bars, breweries, and restaurants.

I know but he's been there 20+. It just started changing when we moved.

Actually changed houses recently because he is close to retiring.

[CrimsonFox]

I feel like this story belongs here

Millionaire CEO dies doing something stupid at his company's office party. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technology/tech-ceo-sanjay-shah-dead-at-56-after-freak-accident-at-company-party/ar-BB1h5UEW?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=abb5f32661cb49abbcbb13ab7a8c5cc4&ei=24)