Who wins House Speaker?

[Edward64]

The fun starts Tue 5pm ET and continues into Wed.

Jordan & Scalise are the top 2 contenders. McCarthy & Jeffries next. Hern dropped out on Sat.

House speaker race: What to know | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/politics/house-speaker-removed-israel-war/index.html)
Monday at 6 p.m. ET: Republicans who left town will start returning for an in-person candidate debate and discussion during which Scalise and Jordan are expected to make their pitches to the conference.

Tuesday at 5 p.m. ET: The House GOP will hold an official candidate forum during which members will debate who is the best fit to take the gavel.

House Democrats will hold a similar forum on Tuesday to officially nominate their leader, Hakeem Jeffries, for speaker.

Wednesday 9 a.m. ET: House Republicans will hold an internal, secret-ballot election to officially select their nominee.

When will the official floor vote take place? This could happen as soon as Wednesday, but it will be up to whomever the GOP decides to officially nominate – starting the floor vote will be their call.

[Edward64]

Between Jordan & Scalise, I think Jordan has the edge because of Trump's endorsement.

[flere-imsaho]

1. How is this not a poll? Edit: Sorry, posted too fast - it's a poll now.

2.

https://www.closeup-shop.com/media/oart_0/oart_a/oart_14933/19836_G827860.jpg

[flere-imsaho]

I'm going with Jordan as well. Seems like he's managed to concoct the best PR at the right time.

[Edward64]

https://www.closeup-shop.com/media/oart_0/oart_a/oart_14933/19836_G827860.jpg

This one is a no-brainer to me, I'd go with Predator.

Aliens can make a lot of babies (in horrible ways). Predator is definitely the lesser of the 2 evils.

[flere-imsaho]

IMO, MAGA is definitely Alien and whatever's left of the Romney/Ryan GOP is Predator.

The latter wants to hunt you for sport, but will support those outliers who pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The former wants to eliminate literally everyone who isn't them, often in brutal and grotesque ways.

[Edward64]

McCarthy is not flat out saying "no".

No idea how serious this is, MSM seems to be playing it up some. It could get interesting (and entertaining) if he was nominated and there was some momentum behind it.

Access to this page has been denied (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4245857-mccarthy-speakership-israel-turmoil/)
The California Republican did not directly answer if he envisions a scenario in which he could be a candidate for Speaker; if he would accept a colleague nominating him for Speaker; or if he thinks he is the right person to lead the House in the current moment, considering his pro-Israel background.

“That’s a decision by the conference,” McCarthy said, relaying iterations of that multiple times.

He similarly deflected when asked if he would endorse either of the candidates running to replace him: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).

But McCarthy, who hours after being ousted as Speaker said he would not run for the post again, was not shy about reminding reporters that the vast majority of the House GOP conference voted to keep him in the top spot last week.

“The only thing I would ask my conference, you have 96 percent of the conference in one place and you’re allowing 4 percent, with the Democrats playing politics, that now have putting the doubt inside this body,” McCarthy said. “That is wrong.”


EDIT:

Robert Costa
@costareports

several House GOP sources tell me McCarthy was approached several times over the weekend to consider standing for speaker if Scalise and Jordan fail to get the necessary votes this week... I'm told McCarthy is in listening-mode, not moving toward doing it yet but listening...

[JPhillips]

That guy would be happier if he just hired a dom to humiliate him

[Atocep]

I think there's too many hardline no's on Jordan within his own party. Scalise ends up being the compromise pick.

[GrantDawg]

It may be wishful thinking, but I still think there is going to be a moderate dark-horse that comes in and wins.

[Toddzilla]

It may be wishful thinking, but I still think there is going to be a moderate dark-horse that comes in and wins.This.

All the Democrats have to do is pick one moderate/centrist Republican that can get 8 of his/her colleagues to go along and it's done.

[Atocep]

This.

All the Democrats have to do is pick one moderate/centrist Republican that can get 8 of his/her colleagues to go along and it's done.

I think the issue with that is we're talking about people that generally crave power and value their seat in the House above the good of the country. Are there 8 republicans willing to go against the rest of the GOP and acknowledge that this would very likely be their last term?

It's a possibility but I don't think it's very likely. If I were putting odds on it I would say:

Scalise - 60%
Jordan - 20%
Field - 20%

[NobodyHere]

That guy would be happier if he just hired a dom to humiliate him

Maybe he could use some RNC money to do it

RNC spent almost $2,000 at bondage-themed strip club | News | joplinglobe.com (https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/rnc-spent-almost-2-000-at-bondage-themed-strip-club/article_9916d1af-fed7-5b88-ab4a-50aa5ed12e2a.html)

[Edward64]

Maybe he could use some RNC money to do it

RNC spent almost $2,000 at bondage-themed strip club | News | joplinglobe.com (https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/rnc-spent-almost-2-000-at-bondage-themed-strip-club/article_9916d1af-fed7-5b88-ab4a-50aa5ed12e2a.html)


No kink shaming please. Slippery slope. Make fun of bondage themed strip clubs and what's next ... furries?

On other news, McCarthy has changed his tune.

McCarthy changed his tune Monday in an interview with conservative radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, saying, “Whatever the conference wants, I will do.”

“Look, the conference has to make that decision,” McCarthy told Hewitt when asked if he would step up if the party was deadlocked.

[NobodyHere]

No kink shaming please. Slippery slope. Make fun of bondage themed strip clubs and what's next ... furries?

On other news, McCarthy has changed his tune.

What's your kink my dear Edward boy?

[Flasch186]

No one asked but my kink is sleep

3 kids
Own a business
After school activities from morning until night

A good nights sleep is the most satisfying thing I can think of

Where’s my melatonin?


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[Brian Swartz]

McCarthy being re-elected would be the most hilarious conclusion to this. Not rooting for chaos, but since chaos is upon us anyway and I can't say any of alternatives are definitively better ...

[RainMaker]

Are they going to change the vacate rule because I don't know why anyone would want the job with that rule in place.

[Edward64]

McCarthy being re-elected would be the most hilarious conclusion to this. Not rooting for chaos, but since chaos is upon us anyway and I can't say any of alternatives are definitively better ...

On one hand, I'd like to see McCarthy back and bring down some vengeance on Gaetz & crew. It'd be pretty interesting to see that play out.

On the other hand, we are where we are and not sure I believe in 2nd chances in this situation ... so although I think Jordan may win it, I'd prefer Scalise as he is more moderate.

[JPhillips]

Scalise called himself David Duke without the baggage.

Funny way to describe a moderate.

[Edward64]

Scalise called himself David Duke without the baggage.

Funny way to describe a moderate.

If you had to pick 1 of the 3, who would you pick?

[GrantDawg]

If you had to pick 1 of the 3, who would you pick?
Meteor.

[JPhillips]

Why does one of them have to be a moderate? They are all extreme right.

[RainMaker]

Scalise called himself David Duke without the baggage.

Funny way to describe a moderate.

Also refused to certify the election. Not sure how far the Overton window has shifted if a pretty open fascist is considered a moderate.

[Atocep]

McCarthy is on the fringe of being a moderate and Scalise is considerably to the right of him. More moderate than Jim Jordan isn't really anything special.

Jordan is obviously a big no for Speaker, but Scalise isn't someone to celebrate.

[GrantDawg]

The Republicans specialize in persecution complex. Nancy Mace came out of the caucus meeting today with a scarlett "A" on her shirt.

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[JPhillips]

Somebody said the GOP is filled with people who aren't politicians but are Political Influencers. Everything is designed to boost engagement for the brand.

[Edward64]

Does anyone know if there is a live feed on House deliberations?

Don't have cable. I checked C-Span Live and didn't see it ... so maybe it's not open to the public?

[RainMaker]

The Republicans specialize in persecution complex. Nancy Mace came out of the caucus meeting today with a scarlett "A" on her shirt.


Funniest member of Congress. Never forget when she faked this for attention.

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[Edward64]

From CNN "live" feed

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-race-10-10-23/index.html

“I think both candidates are going to struggle to get to 218. But I don’t know exactly where their numbers are. It seems like they are both scrambling and they're both working hard. So I don't know if anyone is super confident right now,” he said.
Valadao said that both candidates sounded “open” to changing their rules so that more than one member is needed to call for the speaker to be ousted in the future.
He added that Scalise and Jordan both recognized they will have to compromise with the Senate on Ukraine aid.

“There was talk of Ukraine and it sounds like they all agree there is going to be some sort of compromise there,” he said
Valadao said he expects they will vote Wednesday on a new speaker, but noted that former Speaker Kevin McCarthy may still get some votes.

“He asked them not to nominate him, but I still think there are people who want to vote for him and people who would support him,” said Valadao.

[GrantDawg]

"Compromise on Ukraine". Yeah, I really think it will be tied to Israel. That will make it more palatable to the far Right.

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[albionmoonlight]

Santos just charged with stealing his donors’ identities and running up personal charges on their credit cards.

GOP now has a Speaker candidate who truly represents what the party is currently about.

[GrantDawg]

GOP has announced the selection rules. They are going to vote in the caucus behind closed doors. The first to get a majority but below the 217 requirement will then have to answer questions and they will have 2 secret ballot votes just on him. If they don't get 217 in either, there will be a 3rd and 4th open roll call vote. If they don't make it by the 5th, then new nominations can occur. In other words, they are trying to keep the selection Off the floor and out of the public eye.

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[Edward64]

Not quite as bad as electing a new pope.

I sure hope they pick one by tomorrow.

[Galaril]

Not quite as bad as electing a new pope.

I sure hope they pick one by tomorrow.

Not a chace. If I was a betting man my money is on no earlier then Friday

[albionmoonlight]

In other words, they are trying to keep the selection Off the floor and out of the public eye.

Smart.

This really should not be this hard.

[Edward64]

Just an interesting tidbit from 45 min ago.

I too would like to know their answers to that question since they've had 3 years to reflect.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-race-10-11-23/index.html
The House GOP is now voting on Reps. Steve Scalise vs. Jim Jordan for speaker nominee, according to multiple members.

One member, Colorado Rep. Ken Buck, told CNN he voted “present” since neither man would answer his question yesterday about whether the 2020 election was stolen.

[Ksyrup]

Magic 8 Ball Polls still say Bend Knee to Orange Man.

[Galaril]

Scalia won the secret ballot but just barely. The official chamber vote is still open to as to whether he will get the votes.

[albionmoonlight]

Scalia won the secret ballot but just barely. The official chamber vote is still open to as to whether he will get the votes.

A dead Justice is a bold choice. Better than Jim Jordan certainly.

[Thomkal]

David Duke beat out Denny Hastert as I saw one pundit put it. Trump rejected for Speaker and you know who is with him in Florida right now? Yep Matt Gaetz who started this mess won't even be there for the vote. Might be a good time for an expulsion vote on him

[Kodos]

A dead Justice is a bold choice. Better than Jim Jordan certainly.

:D

That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

[Edward64]

113 to 99

Scalise is better than Jordan on Ukraine. Jordan being a Trump guy is just a bonus.

[Galaril]

Sounds like no vote today.SMH.

[Galaril]

I am wondering if Dems could steal the Speakership voting for Jefferies?

[GrantDawg]

Scalise is looking like far from a done deal, with already enough Republicans on the record saying they won't vote for him. I think it is likely he will win, because I think that there are a couple of no's that are soft, but there still might be a resurgent effort to Jordan elected.

[bronconick]

I think it'll take another day or two.

[GrantDawg]

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[Edward64]

Oh well, more fun Thu.

Members have been advised there are likely no additional votes in the House tonight as Speaker designate Steve Scalise and his team work behind the scenes to earn enough support for a floor vote.

[flere-imsaho]

Last I read there were already four GOPers who said they're not going to vote for Scalise in the floor vote, so given that it's early I'd expect more. Perhaps he thinks he can spend time and buy them off, but I'm sure a few of the holdouts are opposing on "ideological" grounds and won't be bought.

[flere-imsaho]

David Duke beat out Denny Hastert as I saw one pundit put it.

This is fantastic.

[GrantDawg]

It's more than four. Buck said 7, with 7 more undecided.

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[CrimsonFox]

Elect Nancy Pelosi we can do this

[NobodyHere]

Elect Ralph Wiggum we can do this


Fixed

[SirFozzie]

elect Barack Obama. As a scientific experiment to see if spontaneous human combustion is truly impossible (of Donald Trump and MAGA-nation, of course)

[albionmoonlight]

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.

[GrantDawg]

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.
Of course that is never going to happen. All of this is political reporters wet dream.

[Ksyrup]

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.

Except Gaetz. The putz who started the whole thing was apparently in FL with Trump. As unserious a politician as there has ever been.

[JPhillips]

The GOP's inability to come together to complete the most basic of tasks is legit news. Pretending as if this is normal just encourages more fuckery in the future.

[GrantDawg]

Consider the source, but Newsmax is reporting Scalise is going to drop out of the race. Others are going to jump in.

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[Galaril]

Consider the source, but Newsmax is reporting Scalise is going to drop out of the race. Others are going to jump in.

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What a clown show.

[Ksyrup]

And Jeffries with the perfect PR move of offering to partner with the GOP to elect a sane Speaker.

All they really need is 4 GOPers to cross the line, one of whom would be the Speaker nomination. I'm sure it's career suicide, but hell, as many GOPers who have retired and then made their opinions known, surely there are 4 moderates who already see the writing on the wall and know their positions are short-lived anyway, so why not take the Cheney/Kinzinger route?

[GrantDawg]

Mike Rogers came out the meetings today and told the press he doesn't see any way there will be a Speaker that will gain 217 Republican votes and is asking the Democrats to help. That's one.

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[RainMaker]

Some good old game theory taking place. I wonder if they could convince 4 Republicans to vote for some like Brian Fitzpatrick as a stopgap till the election.

[GrantDawg]

Just a guess, but I think they would need more than 4. I think there would be Democrats that will refuse to vote for a GOP speaker. Idk that number, but I am guessing more than a couple.

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[RainMaker]

Is there a chance Santos steps down? I mean those new charges are pretty damning and at some point don't they have to expel him?

[GrantDawg]

I think he and Menedez will have to be expelled.

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[miami_fan]

He gone!

Steve Scalise drops out of speaker's race as House GOP faces leadership crisis | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/politics/steve-scalise-speaker-fight/index.html)

[SirFozzie]

He gone!

Steve Scalise drops out of speaker's race as House GOP faces leadership crisis | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/politics/steve-scalise-speaker-fight/index.html)

Best/worst line: "He took his ball and went home" (considering his injuries from the shooting).

I don't see how the Republicans get to a speaker any time soon.

[Edward64]

MSM should have a ‘Days without a Speaker’ and ‘Days until Nov 17’

[Edward64]

Be nice for GA to have the House Speaker. And not an election denier!

Go Austin Scott!

[GrantDawg]

He is what passes as a moderate these days, but that probably dooms him in the GOP.

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[RainMaker]

Can they just go alphabetically down the list to get an up/down vote and see who gets the most votes and then decide that person is the speaker?

[RainMaker]

My civics is a bit rusty but is Speaker all that important? Seems like a lot of procedural stuff and bloviating to the media. Like it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

[Thomkal]

My civics is a bit rusty but is Speaker all that important? Seems like a lot of procedural stuff and bloviating to the media. Like it shouldn't be that big of a deal.


Technically they cannot do any "business" in the House until a Speaker is elected. So the only thing the temporary guy can do is gavel it in to order then suspend for the day.

[flere-imsaho]

The procedural stuff is how everything works. Nothing happens without the procedural stuff.

[GrantDawg]

They are also third in line of succession.

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[GrantDawg]

Looks like Jordan won the vote. Still not enough votes to be named Speaker, but he is the official nominee.

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[RainMaker]

Can't they just find an old, quiet guy in the party they can make the Speaker? Just a boring person who will call up votes and that's it.

[GrantDawg]

The best thing that could happen is putting someone in that will just allow votes. The GOP would still have the majority, so it isn't like anything radical could get through, but there are things the majority would agree to that a partisan Speaker would prevent ever getting to a vote.

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[bronconick]

Can't they just find an old, quiet guy in the party they can make the Speaker? Just a boring person who will call up votes and that's it.

They all retired or got primaried by a typical Republican nutcase.

[SirFozzie]

More than 50+ no's to the informal vote "Will you support Jordan on the floor". I don't see how this is going to work any better then Scalise and McCarthy before him.

The centrist dems are offering to support McHenry in 15 day increments, allowing them to bring Ukraine/Israel aid to the floor, as well as FY2024 budgets and CR. In return they'd get 50% of the suspension bills,. (used for non-controversial bills *, scheduled by the Speaker, that requires a 2/3'ds majority to pass.

* yes, to the crazies, ANY bill that doesn't allow them to grandstand about "Owning the Libs" is controversial, but by that I mean stuff that vast majorities agree to in each conference, but because the Crazies have blocking power in the GOP never could get scheduled for a vote.

[SirFozzie]

dola:

The last few years have been the Republican Party facing the baying MAGA mob, and turning up the crazy, one notch at a time, all while looking to the crowd to fundraise (and secretly hope the MAGA side will be satisfied, which they never are), and the centrists are like "Hey, can we just like, turn the crazy knob back one or two notches, hmm?" while of course, the Gaetz of the world are attaching a jet engine powered drill to the crazy knob and spinning it up to Mach 3.

[Atocep]

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

[RainMaker]

How many votes can the afford to lose?

[bronconick]

If they took their phones away and banned them from Fox News or their imitations, they'd probably have a new Speaker in about 20 minutes. They're all about nothing but performative art and fundraising, as we'll see all Sunday.

[SirFozzie]

How many votes can the afford to lose?

He needs 217-218 to win. So, if more than 4 republicans vote against him (and the dems vote en bloc against them), he won't reach it. same situation that doomed McCarthy. If it requires GOP only votes to put them in, then there's no moderate the crazies will accept, and no crazy the moderates will accept, because the margins are so thin

[Ksyrup]

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

What concerns me is that the normals will eventually feel the pressure to do SOMETHING because they recognize (and care) about how bad a look this is for the GOP and the timing of a government shutdown and what's going on in Israel, so they just give in. On the flipside, the crazies don't care about anything but pure chaos so they aren't fazed in the least. You put someone like Jordan up, and he's going to eventually win. I don't know if it will be Jordan, but eventually, one of them will win. They are counting on the normals doing the "right" thing, which works to their favor.

[Edward64]

What concerns me is that the normals will eventually feel the pressure to do SOMETHING because they recognize (and care) about how bad a look this is for the GOP and the timing of a government shutdown and what's going on in Israel, so they just give in. On the flipside, the crazies don't care about anything but pure chaos so they aren't fazed in the least. You put someone like Jordan up, and he's going to eventually win. I don't know if it will be Jordan, but eventually, one of them will win. They are counting on the normals doing the "right" thing, which works to their favor.

You've got a good point.

But then the normals have another alternative. Work with the Dems to come up with a compromise candidate.

There's a point of dysfunction (let's say sometime around Nov 17 budget thing) where the normals should have a better/convincing rationale (blame the crazies) to share with their districts on why they worked with the Dems.

[Ksyrup]

That would be a more shocking result than Trump as Speaker. I hope I'm wrong, but nothing I've seen suggests that is in the realm of possibility.

[Edward64]

Data and Mr. Spock would put it at 2.94% probability.

[flere-imsaho]

The "normals" will lose their seats if they work with Democrats to restore some sanity. But if their true interest is in good governance, then they will put the good of the country above their own personal interests.

Which means it won't happen.

[SirFozzie]

and the hardliners are calling them wimps pretty much to their faces.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1712981083250209269

[GrantDawg]

McCarthy has already came out in support for him. He is probably right. Republicans always cave to the nuts.

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[CrimsonFox]

So Trump paid off Scalise to drop out

(with monopoly money of course)

[CrimsonFox]

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

that's what articales are saying. That he has at least 20 hard no votes from the rep side

[GrantDawg]

This seems to be gaining steam: <samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More and more centrist House Dems coming out for empowering McHenry temporarily: <a href="https://t.co/F1FOrN71U6">pic.twitter.com/F1FOrN71U6</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1713261256713339161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Edward64]

I read that McHenry has rebuffed it (for now at least)

Eagerly awaiting next weeks made for TV drama.

[CrimsonFox]

I read that McHenry has rebuffed it (for now at least)

Eagerly awaiting next weeks made for TV drama.

https://media.tenor.com/Qw6L3BETzWsAAAAC/patrick-mchenry-gavel.gif

[Edward64]

So below is from a Politico article today.

Am I having reading comprehension issues or should they have a discussion with their copy editor/intern?

House Democratic leader Jeffries says &#x27;informal&#x27; discussions underway on speakership mess - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/15/hakeem-jeffries-house-speaker-democrats-00121621)
House Dem leader: ‘Informal’ discussions underway on speakership mess

The House has been with an official speaker since Oct. 3.

Also, if Jordan fails next week, who is up next for consideration? McCarthy, re-cycle Scalise, another dark horse candidate?

[albionmoonlight]

Prediction on the "informal" deal:

The Dems "get" Ukraine and Israel funding--which is what most GOP want anyway.

In exchange, the GOP will get some real concessions from the Dems.

And the media publish the bunch of bothsides-are-dysfunctional-so-no-wonder-people-miss-Trump stories that they have queued up.

[Atocep]

So Jordan is going to go against the agreement and force a floor vote because he thinks the pressure will push people to his side. He's also reportedly ready to have another McCarthy-like vote and go as many votes as it takes.

I really hope the dems and moderate GOPs can come together on something.

[Edward64]

Tue noon.


House speaker vote to be held Tuesday at noon, Democratic Rep. Clark says

[bronconick]

They'll cave to him. It's what "moderate Republicans" do.

[Edward64]

This should be interesting (if true) ...

Jordan to face a challenger in floor vote Tuesday - Live Updates - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/15/congress/jordan-gets-a-challenger-00121640)
A faction of Republicans that strongly opposes Jim Jordan is vowing he'll have a challenger during the House floor speakership vote on Tuesday, according to two House Republicans familiar with the planning.
Wonder who this person is ...

While they have not yet nailed down a specific name, they believe the person they ultimately land on will not only be able block Jordan from the speakership, but also give cover to those who want to vote against him. The challenger will certainly take arrows from the far-right flank of the conference, which is pushing hard for Jordan.

[CrimsonFox]

LIZ CHENEY! IT'S LIZ CHENEY!

[Ksyrup]

Reading some stuff from Bulwark about this, I have my doubts that THIS is going to be the line in the sand that certain members finally grow a backbone and stand up to the Trump harassment. They shared an email multiple members of the NO JORDAN group got from Hannity's staff pressuring them to accept him, and it appears the tactic is to simply use the right-wing media to bully them into accepting Jordan, lest they upset their Trumper constituents.

I would love to believe they can withstand this, but something tells me they won't. The only thing that gives me hope is that they've been willing to allow these clowns to parade around in the background and cause a mess from relatively weak positions. But putting one in power basically breaks the dam. But then again... TRUMP, so...

[JPhillips]

Mike Rogers was a no to Jordan, but now has declared he's a yes. I'd be very surprised if this even gets to a second ballot. Jordan is the next speaker.

[Ksyrup]

Right, because "do it for the party" definitely means more than "do it for the country."

[Brian Swartz]

Practically speaking, there's not much difference between those two concepts for most people.

[GrantDawg]

Moderates are generally moderates because they are easily bought. It looks like all the dissenters are getting paid off one by one. The Radical Right only payoff is tv time.

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[JPhillips]

Ann Wagner went from a Hell No to a yes for Jordan. The GOP is fully behind the insurrection.

[albionmoonlight]

What will be funny is when Jordan gets the exact same budget deal that McCarthy would have gotten, but MAGA praises him for it because he's Jordan.

[JPhillips]

Mike Lawler is ready to vote for Jordan.

He's going to win unanimously tomorrow.

Start making plans for the inevitable shutdown next month.

[Atocep]

Mike Lawler is ready to vote for Jordan.

He's going to win unanimously tomorrow.

Start making plans for the inevitable shutdown next month.

I'm wondering if Trump pushes them to hold out until Biden passes him as president for the longest shutdown.

[RainMaker]

The party has a type. Incredibly creepy wrestling coaches.

[RainMaker]

Is Mace voting for him? Despite her being nuts and desperate for attention, she is actually one of the most moderate members. Was funny when she voted against McCarthy.

[GrantDawg]

That is a solid theory Atocep and definitely in line with the Republican pettiness. Just like I still fully believe they are hoping for 3 articles of impeachment. It doesn't look like they will get it, but then who knows? The moderates caved here.

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[JPhillips]

The party has a type. Incredibly creepy wrestling coaches.

At least last time they didn't know about the sexual abuse scandal.

And yes, Mace is for Jordan.

The 2024 election is bound to be fucked with.

[Atocep]

Is Mace voting for him? Despite her being nuts and desperate for attention, she is actually one of the most moderate members. Was funny when she voted against McCarthy.

She was on board for Jordan from the beginning of this.

[bronconick]

She was on board for Jordan from the beginning of this.

McCarthy wouldn't do enough for sexual abuse survivors, so Mace is backing...Jim Jordan. Hah.

[RainMaker]

Not sure if it's ever been officially reported but it's an open secret that Mace had an affair with McCarthy when she got to DC. Guessing this is the wrath of an ex.

[Edward64]

WSJ has a live feed …

Someone is giving a speech blah blah blah. Let’s just get to the vote!

[GrantDawg]

Buck doesn't vote, which screams to me that he eventually will. He just wants his cut. None of these guys have any real backbone.

[GrantDawg]

First non-congressperson voted for was Lee Zeldin.

[GrantDawg]

First non-congressperson voted for was Lee Zeldin.
And funny enough, he had endorsed Jim Jordan just today. Such a weird pull for a vote.

[Jas_lov]

Buck doesn't vote, which screams to me that he eventually will. He just wants his cut. None of these guys have any real backbone.

Probably just spineless and waiting to see how many votes were against Jordan before voting later. There's already 6 against Jordan.

[Galaril]

So 20 have voted against Jordan.

[Edward64]

So tell me again why they can’t have electronic voting?

Each persons vote shown on a big screen above the ‘in God we trust’?

[Galaril]

So there is 435 reps Jefferies is at 211 and Jordan is at 199 with 16 votes going to other guys. That means 9 votes left. What am I missing?

[Galaril]

Is there a minimum that is required and not just the most votes?

[Edward64]

Others = 20 is a nice number

[albionmoonlight]

Is there a minimum that is required and not just the most votes?

Yes. Has to be a majority of those present. Which is why Jefferies won't get it even with the plurality of votes.

[bronconick]

Congrats to Hakeem Jeffries for his 12th plurality in 16 speaker elections this year!

[albionmoonlight]

Just pick a normal Republican who will agree to let bills with bipartisan support reach the floor for an up or down vote. You'd get Dems on board with that.

[bronconick]

Just pick a normal Republican who will agree to let bills with bipartisan support reach the floor for an up or down vote. You'd get Dems on board with that.

They all quit, bowed to MAGA or got primaried. Hell, Stefanik was "normal" like 2-3 years ago. Now she made a wrestling quip to nominate Jordan.

[Ghost Econ]

It's like saying just date a normal Kardashian.

[Atocep]

They all quit, bowed to MAGA or got primaried. Hell, Stefanik was "normal" like 2-3 years ago. Now she made a wrestling quip to nominate Jordan.

Stefanik is a great example of what a current republican is. She doesn't really have her own stance on anything. She goes which ever way the GOP wind is blowing and right now it's MAGA so she went from Paul Ryan understudy to Trumper overnight essentially.

[Ksyrup]

At least they rejected him once!

[GrantDawg]

At least they rejected him once!
There are at least 3 Reps (all from Florida of all places) that swear they will never vote for Jordan no matter what. Of course that might all be a play for more promises, but if they are telling the truth Jordan can never win.

[GrantDawg]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Live video feed from inside the House GOP meeting: <a href="https://t.co/81LIOE9Zrw">pic.twitter.com/81LIOE9Zrw</a></p>&mdash; Langdon Grant (@langdongrant2) <a href="https://twitter.com/langdongrant2/status/1714350703265607791?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Ksyrup]

And Ken Buck is out there giving interviews saying the same thing.

[Ksyrup]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Win McNamee/Getty Images <a href="https://t.co/SGJCjKOe9o">pic.twitter.com/SGJCjKOe9o</a></p>&mdash; bryan metzger (@metzgov) <a href="https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1714324142806155699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GrantDawg]

If this is true, it just gets worse for Jordan. I still believe the moderates fold, but if not the the Jordan camp misplayed this bad.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member tells me just now.</p>&mdash; Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1714330100089405522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Ksyrup]

Squares with this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Senior GOP source believes House will vote for Speaker again today. But not soon. Believes Jordan will pick up some votes. But lose others. I asked if it would be a wash. “Yes” was the response</p>&mdash; Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1714350139039465810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Atocep]

If this is true, it just gets worse for Jordan. I still believe the moderates fold, but if not the the Jordan camp misplayed this bad.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member tells me just now.</p>&mdash; Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1714330100089405522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

If Jordan somehow fails then Gaetz misplayed this badly as well.

[GrantDawg]

If Jordan somehow fails then Gaetz misplayed this badly as well.
I don't think so. Chaos is the point for Gaetz.

[Thomkal]

Man I would laugh all day if he ends up with less votes this time around.

[bronconick]

This was the worst defeat for a Jordan since Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

[Atocep]

I don't think so. Chaos is the point for Gaetz.

If it pushes the GOP to Dems to finally elect a speaker, which I think it might, then it's a fail for Gaetz. He loses all power to create chaos at that point.

[GrantDawg]

If it pushes the GOP to Dems to finally elect a speaker, which I think it might, then it's a fail for Gaetz. He loses all power to create chaos at that point.
I don't think it will, but even if it does it would not be considered a loss by Gaetz. He will just use that as more fuel to fund-raise. The MAGAt's will use it as ammo to primary out more moderates from the party. Also, McCarthy is out and much of this really comes down to personal hate.

[CrimsonFox]

This was the worst defeat for a Jordan since Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

well played

[Atocep]

I don't think it will, but even if it does it would not be considered a loss by Gaetz. He will just use that as more fuel to fund-raise. The MAGAt's will use it as ammo to primary out more moderates from the party. Also, McCarthy is out and much of this really comes down to personal hate.

It is wild that the house GOP went from talk about expelling Gaetz from their conference to supporting his preferred candidate in 2 weeks.

[GrantDawg]

Lol.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DANA BASH: Do you really want Tom Emmer to be speaker?<br><br>KEN BUCK: No, I don't. I don't like Tom Emmer. <a href="https://t.co/i2lna4BRN9">pic.twitter.com/i2lna4BRN9</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) <a href="https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1714341337598763146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Atocep]

Lol.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DANA BASH: Do you really want Tom Emmer to be speaker?<br><br>KEN BUCK: No, I don't. I don't like Tom Emmer. <a href="https://t.co/i2lna4BRN9">pic.twitter.com/i2lna4BRN9</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) <a href="https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1714341337598763146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Nikki Haley tried to blame Dems on Fox a couple of days ago as well and she had to transition to inflation, etc after she got pushback from the host.

[Ksyrup]

It is hard to believe that 30 years later, Beavis and Butthead essentially run the GOP.

[CrimsonFox]

Is emmer a moderate?

[GrantDawg]

Is emmer a moderate?
He isn't an election denier, so he is a radical liberal according to MAGA people.

[CrimsonFox]

He isn't an election denier, so he is a radical liberal according to MAGA people.

election denier? so...that means he thinks the election never happened...or?

[GrantDawg]

election denier? so...that means he thinks the election never happened...or?
He certified the last election. He is NOT an election denier.

[Edward64]

Second vote supposedly tonight but no time set per CNN.

[Atocep]

Second vote supposedly tonight but no time set per CNN.

Supposed to be targeting a 6pm est start.

[Edward64]

Supposed to be targeting a 6pm est start.

Can’t wait.

Hoping for Jordan to lose ground so we can have another couple days of excitement!

[cartman]

is there a better current example of the Peter Principle than Jim Jordan? Has been in the House since 2006, has exactly ZERO proposed bills signed into law in that time, and now is moving towards being Speaker of the House, and 3rd in line for the Presidency.

[GrantDawg]

Speaker vote delayed till tomorrow. Look like Jordan not gaining any ground with the hold-outs.

[CrimsonFox]

i thought some that voted yes said if it went to a second vote, they'd vote no

[JPhillips]

is there a better current example of the Peter Principle than Jim Jordan? Has been in the House since 2006, has exactly ZERO proposed bills signed into law in that time, and now is moving towards being Speaker of the House, and 3rd in line for the Presidency.

He doesn't even have a bill that made it out of committee.

[Edward64]

McHenry is mentioned a couple times in the article as a possible consensus candidate. No idea what he's about (or his odds) but Jeffries seems to think the Dems can work with him, so I'll call him a moderate.

Jim Jordan scrambles for votes after 20 GOP defections imperil his speaker bid | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/politics/jordan-speaker-vote-house-floor/index.html)
“I think now we’re gonna have to find a consensus candidate,” he said, adding: “I kind of like Patrick McHenry.”
Jeffries said he was open to further empowering interim speaker Patrick McHenry, a North Carolina Republican.

“Our focus right now relates not just to any one individual, but to getting the institution reopened. I have respect for Patrick McHenry. I think he is respected on our side of the aisle. There are a whole host of other Republicans who are respected on our side of the aisle. Jim Jordan is not one of them,” he said.

[GrantDawg]

McHenry is mentioned a couple times in the article as a possible consensus candidate. No idea what he's about (or his odds) but Jeffries seems to think the Dems can work with him, so I'll call him a moderate.

Jim Jordan scrambles for votes after 20 GOP defections imperil his speaker bid | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/politics/jordan-speaker-vote-house-floor/index.html)
I think he is mostly acceptable because they would agree to give him limited Speaker power. The limits might be the sticking points.

[CrimsonFox]

I vote grantdawg as a dark horse speaker candidate. He's got the popularity. He's got the abs

[RainMaker]

McHenry is probably as boring as you'll get today which makes him an attractive choice I guess. But the guy has some wild skeletons in his closet from his early days. I just don't see how the party that is attacking LGBT stuff is going to make a guy who lived with a bunch of male aides back in the day their Speaker. McHenry being in the closet is kind of an open secret.

[GrantDawg]

McHenry is probably as boring as you'll get today which makes him an attractive choice I guess. But the guy has some wild skeletons in his closet from his early days. I just don't see how the party that is attacking LGBT stuff is going to make a guy who lived with a bunch of male aides back in the day their Speaker. McHenry being in the closet is kind of an open secret.
They certainly love Lindsey. Him and Tim Scott both being Senators from South Carolina is wild. They definitely have a type there.

[GrantDawg]

I vote grantdawg as a dark horse speaker candidate. He's got the popularity. He's got the abs
I have one giant ab.

[CrimsonFox]

Here's where the non jordan reps voted:

Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) — voted for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)

Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) — voted for Tom Emmer (R-MN)

Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-OR) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Anthony D’Esposito (R-NY) — voted for former New York Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL) — voted for House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA)

Rep. Jake Ellzey (R-TX) — voted for Rep. Mike Garcia (R-CA)

Rep. Andrew Garbarino (R-NY) — voted for Zeldin

Rep. Carlos Giminez (R-FL) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Tony Gonzalez (R-TX) — voted for Scalise
Rep. Kay Granger (R-TX) — voted for Scalise
Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-VA) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY) — voted for Zeldin

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-NY) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) — voted for Scalise

Rep. John James (R-MI) — voted for Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK)

Rep. Doug LaMalfa (R-CA) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-IN) — voted for Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)

[GrantDawg]

It is a Speakership campaign by "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A source familiar tells me the “Jordan team is trying to do damage control after leaking the Scalise meeting. The leak backfired with Scalise loyalists.”</p>&mdash; Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) <a href="https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1714410914244362261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Atocep]

It is a Speakership campaign by "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A source familiar tells me the “Jordan team is trying to do damage control after leaking the Scalise meeting. The leak backfired with Scalise loyalists.”</p>&mdash; Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) <a href="https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1714410914244362261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Reports are that Jordan is asking if they can Gerrymander the speakership vote.

[GrantDawg]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/xgzSdj2uXx">https://t.co/xgzSdj2uXx</a> <a href="https://t.co/YQAX7PAf3T">pic.twitter.com/YQAX7PAf3T</a></p>&mdash; Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1714434024310022298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Thomkal]

They certainly love Lindsey. Him and Tim Scott both being Senators from South Carolina is wild. They definitely have a type there.


We gays love South Carolina yes but not our Senators

[JPhillips]

Amazing that there is not a single GOPer who can count votes.

[miami_fan]

Do we know if Jordan has made any concessions in order to garner votes? Do the rules remain the same as they were under McCarthy?

[GrantDawg]

Do we know if Jordan has made any concessions in order to garner votes? Do the rules remain the same as they were under McCarthy?
The first part, my understanding he is mostly making vague promises. Like "I understand I will to work with people on "X"." Without specifically promising direct details. He has mostly been bullying people.
The second, there has been no suggestion of changes to the rules, but Matt Gaetz who originally worked for those rules has said they would be not needed if Jordan was speaker.

[Edward64]

I'm rooting for McHenry now. Even if it's a temporary increase of powers, it will embolden the anti-Jordan crowd to stick with it.

I am surprise that Jordan wants to propose the question.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-race-vote-10-18-23/index.html
GOP speaker designate Jim Jordan said he wants to put two measures to a vote this morning: electing him as speaker and whether more power should be given to interim Speaker Patrick McHenry.

“I think we gotta decide today, are we going to have a Republican speaker or … is the body going to adopt this resolution with the speaker pro tem,” he said. “I think both questions should be called. Let’s get an answer.”

He added on the resolution to empower McHenry: “I told leadership to call the question.”

[Ksyrup]

I'm reading that a moderate is nominating Jordan so I take that as a bad sign. Kinzinger tweeted that the guy was the last person he expected to nominate Jordan.

[GrantDawg]

But the vote is still not going his way. The other problem is McHenry is saying he won't accept greater powers.

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[Edward64]

But the vote is still not going his way. The other problem is McHenry is saying he won't accept greater powers.

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After round 8, he will

[Ksyrup]

Pleasantly surprised. The opposition grew by 2.

[Ksyrup]

I do appreciate these people painting themselves into a corner publicly. I think they are doing it mostly so they don't eventually convince themselves to change course. Not that saying one thing and doing another has ever stopped anyone.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jordan holdout <a href="https://twitter.com/rep_stevewomack?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rep_stevewomack</a> says opposition is dug in on principle, doesn’t want anything from him. In other words, nothing for Jordan to negotiate <a href="https://twitter.com/agripulse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@agripulse</a></p>&mdash; Philip Brasher (@PhilipBrasher) <a href="https://twitter.com/PhilipBrasher/status/1714693485415014489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[albionmoonlight]

Jordan isn't a deal maker.

When Someone like McConnell or McCarthy or Schumer or Pelosi or Biden needs votes, they make deals. They offer things. That's how concessions get made.

Jordan's whole thing is that he's not part of the establishment deal-making wing of the party. He has "Vote for me or else!" And if that doesn't work . . . where do you go from there?

Being intractable has its advantages. If people know that you won't negotiate, then you have them at a bit of an advantage. They pretty much have to meet you where you are as their opening move.

The problem, of course, is when they don't.

[Thomkal]

Yes that laughter you are hearing is mine. I look forward to the next laughingstock they are going to nominate.

[CrimsonFox]

STOP HOLDING THE COUNTRY HOSTAGE BY NOT VOTING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bronconick]

It's going to go on forever because the Freedom Caucus having had their choice torpedoed, is going to block everyone else unless others cut a deal with moderate Dems. And that will get anyone who does that primaried next year.

[CrimsonFox]

It's going to go on forever because the Freedom Caucus having had their choice torpedoed, is going to block everyone else unless others cut a deal with moderate Dems. And that will get anyone who does that primaried next year.

who was the idiots' choice again?

[CrimsonFox]

Pleasantly surprised. The opposition grew by 2.

They gained 2 but lost 4! :)

one of the two was even someone who didn't bother showing up the first time

[CrimsonFox]

tomorrow's news: Jeffries courts the moderates and cuts a deal and wins the speakership!

[Atocep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: Some of Jim Jordan's opponents tell me they've been purposely staggering their &quot;no&quot; votes over multiple ballots -- a strategy designed to show Jordan's speakership opposition is only growing.<br><br>And that's why they tell me Jordan will bleed even more support on a third ballot</p>&mdash; Melanie Zanona (@MZanona) <a href="https://twitter.com/MZanona/status/1714712263498620951?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[kingfc22]

Jim Jordan getting egg all over his face. Hate to see it

[GrantDawg]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TAX NEWS: Jordan Negotiates on SALT in Attempt to Win Over NY Republicans <a href="https://t.co/bMZdpaQASM">https://t.co/bMZdpaQASM</a></p>&mdash; Erik Wasson (@elwasson) <a href="https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1714714433157582994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[GrantDawg]

He has having to grovel now.

[Thomkal]

So yes its Dems fault for unifying behind their nominee for House Speaker and not your own party for not nominating behind yours....




https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1714715528906903563

[GrantDawg]

From Bluesky. Lol.
Comms director for Rep. Don BEYER (D-VA), @fritschner.bsky.social (https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:k7eezr2ybq7cxtptak2q4uhp), tweets: We've had multiple callers mistakenly call @RepDonBeyer's office in the last few minutes trying to yell at @DonJBacon for his vote in the Speaker's election, sending our best wishes to the folks in his office at this time

[CrimsonFox]

If only they nominated Trout, they'd get the 50%

[Atocep]

No more votes today, but Jordan is likely going to try again tomorrow.

[SirFozzie]

Who's next in the humiliation conga?

[RainMaker]

It sounds like they tried to get aggressive last night with threats to the holdouts. Reports of calling wives and threats to primary people. That seemed to only piss people off more.

What's the longest the House has ever gone without a real speaker?

[bronconick]

2 months in 1855

[Edward64]

Nice strategy. Be interesting to see what the vote counts are today, hopefully 23+.

But some Jordan critics inside the House Republican conference have decided to stagger their votes, so the votes against Jordan grow with each round, CBS News' Robert Costa reported. This stems from their belief that Jordan won't quit the speaker race unless it's obvious he's losing votes along the way, according to two House Republicans who spoke on background to discuss private deliberations. CNN first reported this development.

[albionmoonlight]

https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-game-theory-of-the-republican

Pretty good read for the game theory minded here.

Basically, the GOP does not have a stable equilibrium right now, which is why they basically can't settle into a ground state.

[Edward64]

FWIW

Someone please propose the McHenry compromise ... at least through the conclusion of the Nov 17 budget stuff.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-19-23/index.html
Multiple GOP sources say that Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan is quickly losing votes and is poised to lose even more Republican support if he goes through with a third ballot Thursday for his House speakership bid. One Republican opponent says there are about 30 GOP "no" votes today.

It’s unclear if Jordan will go through with the anticipated noon ET vote at this moment.

[Thomkal]

Nothing official yet but seeing reporting that Jordan will not have a third vote today and will back the temporary power of the Speaker given to McHenry

[Edward64]

In case you didn't know McHenry's background, see below. Seems like a reasonable chap.

‘The greatest name in politics’: A quick guide to Patrick McHenry - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/19/who-is-patrick-mchenry-acting-speaker-00122472)
You’re going to read that the 18-year House veteran is the “adult in the room” compared to other GOP hard-liners — a pragmatist who’s ready to govern and even has Democrats clamoring for him to run the House. But it wasn’t always that way.
McHenry hasn’t quite abandoned his conservative ideals in his transition to GOP statesman. But he’s made clear that he can be flexible to get a deal done.

Just take McHenry’s approach at House Financial Services. McHenry has spent years courting Rep. Maxine Waters — the panel’s top Democrat and McHenry’s polar opposite — in a bid to craft legislation that would have a hint of a shot at getting through the Senate and signed by the president. Before taking the gavel, he described the committee as an active nook of bipartisanship.
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy turned to McHenry earlier this year to help resolve the debt-limit impasse. It warmed hearts on Wall Street because bankers had confidence that McHenry would be a voice of reason and help steer the country away from financial calamity.
McHenry is close to the middle of his party, according to one ideology score. He believes climate change is real and “we have to do something about it.” He’s supported aid for Ukraine. He has sidestepped some of the culture war issues that are dominating GOP politics and even drew flak from the right when he kept diversity and inclusion concerns — a priority of Waters — on the Financial Services oversight agenda.

After a sudden rash of regional bank failures in March, McHenry, unlike some other conservatives, held back from using the crisis atmosphere to attack the Biden administration for their handling of the situation — confirming the full transition from his bomb-throwing days of yore.

[Edward64]

I think I like this.

Jordan won't seek third vote today for House speaker and will back McHenry: reports - MarketWatch (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jordan-wont-seek-third-vote-today-for-house-speaker-and-will-back-mchenry-reports-c10bf055?mod=home-page)
Betting markets have been seeing McHenry as more likely than Jordan to get the speaker job permanently.

[Swaggs]

I don't know much about him, but it seems like a plus that McHenry doesn't particularly want the job. Maybe he won't have the giant ego that seems to come standard for folks seeking leadership in the government.

[Thomkal]

Ha! now Republicans are mad that Republican leadership is now backing the McHenry temp deal.

[Jas_lov]

I'd be shocked if they get the McHenry plan through without Democrat votes.

[JPhillips]

I don't know much about him, but it seems like a plus that McHenry doesn't particularly want the job. Maybe he won't have the giant ego that seems to come standard for folks seeking leadership in the government.

But changing the speaker's chair because the old one made it clear he is short isn't a good indicator.

[Edward64]

The Dems pov, looks promising if there is a vote …

Three Democratic lawmakers told NBC News that during a closed-door meeting Thursday, Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York told rank-and-file members that Democrats would only support a temporary speaker who meets the following conditions: They voted to certify the 2020 election; have a track record of standing up to extremism” and defending democracy, as well as a “track record of governing”; and agreed to support the original debt limit deal struck between the White House and McCarthy.

McHenry, the Financial Services chairman and a former member of GOP leadership who helped negotiate the Biden-McCarthy deal, meets all of those criteria.

[GrantDawg]

The Dems pov, looks promising if there is a vote …
But the Republicans say no. They refuse to make any concession to get Democrats votes, and the hardliners refuse to vote for this. The only hope at this point if some Republicans defect. The Republicans will never be able to come together on anything, and they would rather the country burn than work with Democrats.

[albionmoonlight]

Is there a rule against that?

It seems like a lot of work to learn something that the other team can easily change up.

[CrimsonFox]

The bitch had this to say which is basically everything we have known about the rpublican party for decades.

I will vote NO on a resolution to empower a short-term Speaker.

I’m not sharing our power with Democrats, after our voters gave us the majority.

[GrantDawg]

Is there a rule against that?

It seems like a lot of work to learn something that the other team can easily change up.
No. They could both name the speaker and change the rules prevent a single person challenging the speaker by majority vote.

[Edward64]

I read Scalise was against it. Guessing he didn’t want to give Jordan 2-3 months extra that he didn’t get.

It might require Jordan stepping aside first.

[Atocep]

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

[thesloppy]

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

I love it. The last unprompted attempt to nominate him as speaker failed in humiliating fashion, and don't see why this attempt would be any different. Go for it!

[albionmoonlight]

No. They could both name the speaker and change the rules prevent a single person challenging the speaker by majority vote.

Too many tabs open. I thought I was responding to the Michigan sign-stealing allegations :-)

[GrantDawg]

Too many tabs open. I thought I was responding to the Michigan sign-stealing allegations :-)
Lol. That makes your statement more clear.

[RainMaker]

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

Don't they have to change the rules since you can't nominate a speaker who is under indictment?

I feel like this would be Trump's nightmare. The job is a bunch of boring procedural work and he'd actually have to show up.

[GrantDawg]

I think he might be trying to skirt that rule by nominating him Speaker Pro Tem.

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[Atocep]

Don't they have to change the rules since you can't nominate a speaker who is under indictment?

I feel like this would be Trump's nightmare. The job is a bunch of boring procedural work and he'd actually have to show up.

Yes, he's currently ineligible because of standard house rules.

It would also be open to Supreme Court challenge as I've seen mixed interpretations on whether someone that isn't a member of the house can serve as speaker.

And yeah, he would absolutely hate being speaker. He'd have to work a full day, read and know rules, work on compromise with others, and interact with dems. It's quite possibly the worst job he could imagine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Republicans will never be able to come together on anything, and they would rather the country burn than work with Democrats.

As it should.

[Thomkal]

Yes, he's currently ineligible because of standard house rules.

It would also be open to Supreme Court challenge as I've seen mixed interpretations on whether someone that isn't a member of the house can serve as speaker.

And yeah, he would absolutely hate being speaker. He'd have to work a full day, read and know rules, work on compromise with others, and interact with dems. It's quite possibly the worst job he could imagine.

But he would love the kissing the ring part and becoming President if something should happen to Biden/Harris

[RainMaker]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per a senior GOP source, “Ferguson told the conference that he‘s had to have a sheriff stationed at his daughter’s school over death threats from the far right. Also one at his house.”</p>&mdash; Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) <a href="https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1715096432792014887?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[SirFozzie]

Gym Jordan: "Please Stop Eating My face"

Face-Eating Leopards: "No."

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715123897782141270

also funny... someone took a photo of Jordan's notes from the meeting and Jordan had scrawled on it Joker-style is "WHAT IS THE REAL REASON?"

[Ksyrup]

I basically saw these two tweets back to back in my timeline:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">INSIDE THE JORDAN MEETING -- Every Republican who met with Jordan today told him they would not back his candidacy for House speaker, according to multiple sources in the room.</p>&mdash; Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715123897782141270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10 AM VOTE TOMORROW - 3rd vote for Jordan. <br><br>Sources tell me <a href="https://twitter.com/MicaSoellnerDC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MicaSoellnerDC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/bresreports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bresreports</a></p>&mdash; Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715140393858134022?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jas_lov]

So he's going to lose again and then they're going to adjourn and call it a week. What a cluster. Maybe a way out is for 5 gop members just don't show up tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

so I keep reading all the above reports saying he withdrew, he didn't want to go to vote he withdrew yadaya

Now I saw a news interview with him saying he WILL be speaker. He WILL be speaker.

And now I see another vote coming so quickly. What happened to his support for mchenry? jesus he's such a clown

[CrimsonFox]

almost worried that gym did some heavy duty kidnapping and bribery before tomorrow

[GrantDawg]

They are saying now that they are going to force votes starting tomorrow and go all through the weekend till they get a Speaker. Jordan is just going to try to wear them down.

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[thesloppy]

Gym Jordan: "Please Stop Eating My face"

Face-Eating Leopards: "No."

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715123897782141270

also funny... someone took a photo of Jordan's notes from the meeting and Jordan had scrawled on it Joker-style is "WHAT IS THE REAL REASON?"

This shit made me laugh. Biggest moments of his life and he prepared with half an envelope, to scrawl on. Who wouldn't vote for this guy??

[Edward64]

They are saying now that they are going to force votes starting tomorrow and go all through the weekend till they get a Speaker. Jordan is just going to try to wear them down.


McCarthy is going to be like Heath Shuler (94) when Ryan Leaf (99) took his spot.

[Edward64]

Nice exchange. I wish there was a YT video.

Access to this page has been denied (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4265490-mccarthy-scolds-gaetz-in-gop-meeting-sit-your-ass-down/)
At one point, while speaking at the mics during the gathering, McCarthy mentioned Gaetz by name, according to a source in the room. Gaetz stood up to “kind of interrupt him and say something,” per a second source in the room.

McCarthy then shot back, according to the second source.

“Sit your ass down,” McCarthy said, according to the source, prompting Gaetz to “say something back.”

The second source said Rep. Mike Bost (R-Ill.) “was ready to lunge across the room.”

McCarthy said he did not yell at Gaetz.

“I was at the mic, I was speaking and Matt Gaetz tried to interrupt,” McCarthy said. “I told him to sit down.”

“I think the entire conference screamed at him,” McCarthy added. “Listen, the whole country, I think, would scream at Matt Gaetz right now. Remember, it was the crazy eight led by Matt Gaetz and every single Democrat that put us into this situation.”

Gaetz, for his part, said he thought McCarthy “was yielding to me since he had mentioned me.”

[RainMaker]

Feel like this is not a smart way to get people to vote for you but maybe they assume they're cucks like Cruz.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republican Congressman <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMcCaul?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RepMcCaul</a> reacts to a threatening voicemail left for wife of Jordan holdout <a href="https://t.co/eco7d4ajEW">pic.twitter.com/eco7d4ajEW</a></p>&mdash; The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1715144775517569437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[CrimsonFox]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F81grKlbwAAZy9D?format=jpg&name=small

[Edward64]

Feel like this is not a smart way to get people to vote for you but maybe they assume they're cucks like Cruz.

I trust the FBI is on it and we’ll hear about an arrest soon.

[miami_fan]

"You're going to be fucking molested like you can't ever imagine. And again, nonviolently."

What a sentence.

[Edward64]

"You're going to be fucking molested like you can't ever imagine. And again, nonviolently."

What a sentence.

Yeah, I'm sure he thinks that’s going to protect him if he gets caught.

‘… but, but I said nonviolently!’

[flere-imsaho]

The party of civility, apparently. :D

[CrimsonFox]

They need to stop calling this chaos. This is actually order. They are following the rules again and agaain and again.

[Edward64]

Something tells me the Dems won't be compromising with Jordan.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-20-23/index.html
"At every step of the way, Republicans have rejected bipartisanship and embraced extremism. Jim Jordan is a clear and present danger to our democracy," Jeffries said.
"He wants to end social security as we know it. He wants to end medicare as we know it — doesn't believe that President Biden was elected in 2020. That's disrespectful to the American people," Jeffries added.

Jeffries called Jordan the "poster child for MAGA extremism" and called for Republicans to join Democrats in finding bipartisanship.

"We are saying to our traditional Republican colleagues — good men and women on the other side of the aisle — end the attachment to the extremist Jim Jordan and join with Democrats in finding a bipartisan path forward," Jeffries said.

[flere-imsaho]

The GOP's having a civil war, and the situation in the House is just the currently most visible battlefield (the "debates" were this also, but not as bad). Smart of the Democrats to see if they can drive a wedge between the factions a little bit more.

[Edward64]

Regardless if you agree or not with what McCarty is saying, he did a great job in delivering the Jordan nomination speech.