2024 NFL Season Thread

[Thomkal]

Guess its time for a new thread-so how are we feeling about the game in Brazil tonight?

[JPhillips]

Because of the weakness of the AFC West and the rotation for cross-conference games being the NFC South, the Chiefs are looking at what will probably be a very easy schedule. If things go the way I expect, that's 10 games against one playoff team.

[albionmoonlight]

Gonna spend Friday night with my family as is our tradition. The NFL has managed to do something that I thought was impossible--give me too much football.

[NobodyHere]

Guess its time for a new thread-so how are we feeling about the game in Brazil tonight?

If it's only on Peacock then I won't be watching it.

[Ksyrup]

Gonna spend Friday night with my family as is our tradition. The NFL has managed to do something that I thought was impossible--give me too much football.

Given my new-found lack of interest in CFB, I'm kinda hoping they'll add some Saturday games before December.

[RainMaker]

Last night's game was a great start to the season. Really missed the NFL and it was just stars making plays all night on both sides of the ball.

The other thread talked about Mahomes egging on late hit penalties and I sort of agree. Not sure you can do anything regarding the rule. But maybe the rule could be changed a bit that the player has to make a concerted effort to get out of bounds or slide. Murray and Allen do the same things at times. The late hit penalty should not be a game.

[Thomkal]

If it's only on Peacock then I won't be watching it.


Same not worth getting peacock just for one game.

[Ksyrup]

It definitely seemed like Jackson was letting up on runs near the sideline and getting OOB and the defenders just let it happen, even when they could have likely hit him while he was still in bounds. Whereas with Mahomes, he was still trying to gain yardage and yeah, that last one he side-stepped OOB at the last moment. The counter to that is, even if he stayed in bounds, do you really think it's wise to dive at the legs of Patrick Mahomes? You've gotta know the situation and react accordingly.

[Ksyrup]

Peacock is cheap and I watch it more than Netflix, Prime, Paramount+ (which I get free) and even MLB.tv. But obviously, YMMV. If the NFL ended up with an exclusive on Apple TV, I'd just be watching my phone app for updates.

[Thomkal]

Peacock is cheap and I watch it more than Netflix, Prime, Paramount+ (which I get free) and even MLB.tv. But obviously, YMMV. If the NFL ended up with an exclusive on Apple TV, I'd just be watching my phone app for updates.


i get paramount+ free through Walmart-so i've been catching up on the Star Trek shows I missed, and I see that i'll be to watch out of market CBS games there? But looks like we will have RedZone again, so not sure how much i will use Paramount for those games.

[Kodos]

Peacock is cheap and I watch it more than Netflix, Prime, Paramount+ (which I get free) and even MLB.tv. But obviously, YMMV. If the NFL ended up with an exclusive on Apple TV, I'd just be watching my phone app for updates.

I got Peacock when they had the $20 for a year deal. I figured it would be well worth it for the occasional games in the NFL and college basketball that end up on there.

[Passacaglia]

When I look on YouTubeTV, I'm seeing that NFL Network is showing the Packers/Eagles game at 2:30 am Saturday morning. That works for me, since I wouldn't get around to watching the game until Saturday morning anyway. It depends on what we discussed here a week ago, will they have a ticker showing the final score of the game that they're currently airing?

[GrantDawg]

I got Peacock when they had the $20 for a year deal. I figured it would be well worth it for the occasional games in the NFL and college basketball that end up on there.
And ten thousand episodes of "Law and Order SVU"

[JPhillips]

Things are quiet, but weird in Cincy. Chase doesn't have a deal and seems to be weighing whether or not to play Sunday. Higgins said he felt great yesterday, but he's on the injured list as doubtful.

You have to pay one of these guys, Cincy, and the sooner you do it the cheaper it will be.

[thesloppy]

It's ironic that in the NFL's quest to make football as available to every human everywhere on the planet as possible, they're also making sure practically nobody could or would want to watch every game (broadcast in their area).




...also ironic that the most consistent method for catching these games is illegal streaming, which has been entirely unaffected by the NFL's seemingly constant broadcast provider shenanigans

[RainMaker]

Things are quiet, but weird in Cincy. Chase doesn't have a deal and seems to be weighing whether or not to play Sunday. Higgins said he felt great yesterday, but he's on the injured list as doubtful.

You have to pay one of these guys, Cincy, and the sooner you do it the cheaper it will be.

Is one of the issues that the owner is cash poor and can't pay out the large signing bonuses?

I think they should have signed Chase to a big deal and traded Higgins. They probably would have gotten a nice haul for him last year.

[Ksyrup]

I got Peacock when they had the $20 for a year deal. I figured it would be well worth it for the occasional games in the NFL and college basketball that end up on there.

My renewal comes up in a week for $80/year. One of my credit cards has a "spend $59.99 or more and get $20 credit on Peacock" offer that synchs up nicely with my annual renewal, so it'll basically cost me $5/month for an app I use regularly. I'll take it.

[Solecismic]

The Chase case is interesting. You look at players from the top of the 2021 draft, and what happens if the club picks up the fifth-year option.

As most here would know, under the new-ish CBA, first-rounders are signed for four years, like every other draft pick, but teams have an option for a one-year deal at a top market rate.

Problem is, the top market rate lags the real market rate significantly, because the cap is rising far faster than anyone anticipated, coming out of COVID and the changes to television viewing habits meaning that live sports is pretty much the only thing advertisers really pay for these days.

That has fueled an explosion in elite pay, because the difference between just-a-guy and just-a-guy-clinging-to-the-roster is not that much in the NFL. No one is ever going to pay those guys all that much more than the minimum salary.

This year, top WRs are going for $30 million and top QBs are going for $55 million. Chase is making about $5 million this year and the Bengal option is for $22 million next year.

Time to get paid, right?

The Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence. Zach Wilson and Trey Lance busted and didn't get the option year. Kyle Pitts (#4 pick) has played at a pro-bowl level and had his option picked up, but he's a tight end and they don't get paid that much more than the option amount (Taylor Swift is OK with that).

Chase was picked fifth. Jaylen Waddle sixth with the Dolphins, and he just signed for $28 million per year and is just a bit below pro-bowl level.

Chase's agent sees the $30 million contracts, and figures that Chase has earned one. The Bengals are looking at the Brandon Aiyuk signing (he just got paid when this would have been his option year) and saying that's what they want to do. They just paid Tee Higgins from 2020 good #2 WR money, but Higgins wasn't a first-rounder and there was no option year.

So, is this sorta-holdout a good idea? Since the Bengals are playing hardball with Chase's agent, who is in the right?

It's a tough one. We'll learn more on Sunday whether it was good for the Browns, but so far, the game-changing Deshaun Watson saga lends credence to the idea that whatever breaks the market drives the market. If Chase were a free agent today, he'd get $30 million easily, maybe more.

I don't know the answer here. If Chase holds out, his contract doesn't advance. But what does Cincinnati have to give up in order to sign him?

The explosion of the market makes this very interesting, because if the Bengals simply think they can get a lot more for that cap room, they may be helping themselves by keeping Chase locked up and unavailable to other teams. If a holdout begins, Chase is very, very tradable and the Watson saga means they'll get some good draft picks out of it - something they may well prefer to locking up $110 million plus $1 (Chase's apparent demand) over the next four years.

On the other hand, if 2024 is all you care about because the pieces are in place for a legitimate title run (and NFL teams do operate that way), then you have get Chase on the field.

Right now, the Bengals hold all of the cards. With playoff expansion, if they really are a title-worthy team they can handle a four-week holdout with very little risk of missing the playoffs. They can let this play out, but it's a gamble.

[JPhillips]

I think they are looking at 2024 as a win now year. Chase said today that the Bengals approached him about an extension this summer. Keeping Higgins also says this is a team looking to win.

So if that's true, they have to get the deal done. It's an amazing failure to come out of this with no Bates, Higgins, or Chase. They've seemingly been aiming for this deal.

[RainMaker]

Chase is in an interesting position because his salary is so low this year that it's almost not worth playing under it and risking injury until Week 10 (or whatever the final week is where you can accrue a season).

[thesloppy]

This game started off with an immediate illegal formation penalty on the kickoff, if anyone thinks they're missing anything.

[thesloppy]

Now they just had offsetting penalties for 12 men on offense AND defense.

[Lathum]

I currently have Cinci in my survivor pool and am considering changing given Chase and Higgens may not play

[cuervo72]

Grumpy Old Man also not fond of kickers wearing numbers in the 40s!

[Ksyrup]

I thought they got rid of the 4th preseason game?

[GrantDawg]

They are saying Justin Fields is expected to start Sunday, as Russell Wilson is nursing a calf injury.

[miami_fan]

So far so good with this free agent pickup at RB for the Eagles.

[miami_fan]

The Eagles need to find something for Nick Sirianni to do on the sidelines. I know that John Harbaugh doesn't call plays on offense or defense but he still looks like he is doing something constructive on the sidelines and has control of his team. Sirianni looks like he is bouncing from position group to another and being turned away from each group and he could lose control of himself at any point.

[Ksyrup]

Neither of these QBs look ready for the regular season.

[bhlloy]

Neither of these teams. This has been ugly football all around, maybe not helped by the field but defensively and in terms of discipline, this is a good argument against all the changes they keep making to dumb down training camp and the preseason.

[Solecismic]

No one in the NFL had a worse backup QB situation entering the season. If Love is injured, they're going to have to make a move. I think Ryan Tannehill said he'd come back for the right situation when asked if he'd consider the Vikings a couple of weeks ago. This might be a better fit.

[stevew]

I’d rather see the kicker just wear a “K” jersey instead of having a number in the 40s.

[GrantDawg]

No one in the NFL had a worse backup QB situation entering the season. If Love is injured, they're going to have to make a move. I think Ryan Tannehill said he'd come back for the right situation when asked if he'd consider the Vikings a couple of weeks ago. This might be a better fit.


I and others made fun of or bitched about the Falcons picking Micheal Penix after signing Cousins to that big contract, but this is one of the main reason they did it. They didn't want to see the drop off again they had when they moved on from Ryan. It seemed like a steep price at the time, but the idea of having a quality back up along with the future starter already in hand is a comfort.

[Ksyrup]

No one in the NFL had a worse backup QB situation entering the season. If Love is injured, they're going to have to make a move. I think Ryan Tannehill said he'd come back for the right situation when asked if he'd consider the Vikings a couple of weeks ago. This might be a better fit.

Last I saw, the Browns lept 4 QBs on their roster and were open to trading any of the 3 backups, including Winston and Dorrian-Thompson. That could be a move they make.

I haven't seen anything since right after the game, but Love appears to have escaped a major injury although you can walk on an ACL, so who knows. I'll say that when it happened, I had immediate flashbacks to the Jordan Travis injury, but Love definitely escaped that gruesome break.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm not super superstitious, but it feels like the universe punished the NFL for having a Friday game. Sucks that the curse fell on Love.

[Passacaglia]

When I look on YouTubeTV, I'm seeing that NFL Network is showing the Packers/Eagles game at 2:30 am Saturday morning. That works for me, since I wouldn't get around to watching the game until Saturday morning anyway. It depends on what we discussed here a week ago, will they have a ticker showing the final score of the game that they're currently airing?

NFL Network did it mostly right. During the actual re-airing, they didn't show the final score. I think they showed the score at the beginning of my recording, but before the re-airing started, but luckily I was already fast forwarding through it.

[Ksyrup]

My daughter said she saw a close-up slow-mo video of his knee when the injury happened and you can see something pop in the video and a lot of people are speculating an MCL injury.

[thesloppy]

I haven't been paying too much attention, certainly less to the Giants, and I didn't realized they're not only content to start Daniel Jones again, but they gave him a four-year extension. We've talked plenty in here about albatross QBs that put your team in limbo because they're clearly not top-tier, or even top-half, but they're also clearly better than whatever else is available....is Daniel Jones the king albatross if he can put the Giants on pause for 8 years?

[albionmoonlight]

Reports are that it is not an ACL with Love.

Might still be bad, but maybe not season ending.

Here's hoping.

[Danny]

Ultimately anything several weeks or more is probably season ending for the packers given who will be trotting out there at QB while he is out.

[Ksyrup]

Well, I guess the social media doctors got it right. MCL injury, but not season-ending.

[Kodos]

My fantasy starter: Love.

[GrantDawg]

Sounds promising...
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My understanding is Jordan Love has between a Grade 1 and Grade 2 MCL sprain, which means he’ll miss a few weeks but not extended time. <a href="https://t.co/MLlvzGz9AU">https://t.co/MLlvzGz9AU</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1832512946490015924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[JPhillips]

Indy, Tenn, Minn, Rams, Ariz

You never want to lose your QB, but the schedule is favorable to coming out still in contention.

[JPhillips]

Noe Chase is listed on the injury report with an undisclosed illness.

[Thomkal]

So are we ready for some football? Please beloved Cardinals don't disappoint from Week 1-stay close to buffalo at least.

[flere-imsaho]

The NFL needs to work harder to get these fields right for international games.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Tyreek Hill was just arrested outside Hard Rock Stadium. Adjust your fantasy rosters accordingly!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Miami Dolphins

@MiamiDolphins
This morning, WR Tyreek Hill was pulled over for a traffic incident about one block from the stadium and briefly detained by police. He has since been released. Several teammates saw the incident and stopped to offer support. Tyreek and all other players involved have safely arrived to the stadium and will be available for today’s game.

[thesloppy]

Aggressive traffic stop withstanding, Tyreek Hill seems to practically get a pass for what a piece of shit he constantly proves to be.

[cartman]

Dak getting paid. 4 year/$240 million with $231 million guaranteed

[GrantDawg]

First game of a long season and one game is not make or break, BUT if Arthur Smith comes into Mercedes Benz Stadium with Justin Fields as his starter and beats the Falcons it is really going to let the air out of this season from the start.

[QuikSand]

Dak getting paid. 4 year/$240 million with $231 million guaranteed

how much did the team cost itself by dicking around this long on both CeeDee and Dak? insane, they had to sign them both...

[Danny]

Getting those comtracts in place for Bill B in 2025

[GrantDawg]

Falcons ends a solid drive with stalling after first and goal. That feels familiar.

[CrimsonFox]

Am I the only one that laughed when Love got hurt at the end of the game. I mean that's some topnotch crappy coaching right there.

[Ghost Econ]

Kendrick Lamar performing a song at the Super Bowl halftime that's about Drake being a pedophile is a bold choice for the NFL.

[GrantDawg]

Cousins has not been sharp. He doesn't look comfortable and can't get in sync. Bijan on the other hand is looking very good.

[flere-imsaho]

Bears doing their best to make Levis look like Aaron Rodgers.

[GrantDawg]

Cousins to Pitts touchdown. Pittsburg is doing a good job getting to Cousins on every play, but it finally looks like Kurt is getting settled in moving around a bit.

[RainMaker]

Wow the Bears suck again.

[flere-imsaho]

In one of my fantasy leagues, a two-family league, I'm playing against the person who drafted Caleb Williams with their first pick. So, obviously there's a lot riding on this Bears game for me.... :)

[Ksyrup]

Bryce Young needs a change of scenery. Like, the XFL or CFL.

[Thomkal]

Bryce Young needs a change of scenery. Like, the XFL or CFL.


Yeah looks like its gonna be another long season in carolina.

[Thomkal]

nice to see my beloved cards with the lead at the half

[JPhillips]

Every fucking year with the slow start for the Bengals.

They'll get better, but damn they look bad today.

[larrymcg421]

Dolphins look like shit, except for one drive, in the first half.

Very strange call, where Tua threw to Achane, who clearly got in the end zone. They mark him down short, but refuse to review it. It wasn't even close. Didn't matter as Achane scored on the next play anyways, but still weird.

[CrimsonFox]

Bengals gonna Bengal

[GrantDawg]

TJ Watts has just taken this game over.

[Ksyrup]

Bengals #1 disappointment by far but Falcons up there too. Especially since I have them in my salary cap league.

[GrantDawg]

Bengals #1 disappointment by far but Falcons a close 2nd.
It is frustrating. There is lots of doom and gloom, but it really is just the first game. It does add to the wonder why these teams don't use the preseason to at least practice a couple of series in a game situation. So much it looks like the team is not on the same page.

[flere-imsaho]

Bears doing their best to make Levis look like Aaron Rodgers.

This aged well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

{skims scoreboard, box scores}

Damn, I bet Bears-Titans has been a real, umm, "joy" to watch.
Fowlcants gonna fowlcant
WTF Bengals, Dolphins

[Ksyrup]

So in 3 years when the Bears are playing some random mid-season game attempting a 4th quarter comeback and they flash a stat about how many comeback wins Williams has, this game is going to count as one of those wins, isn't it?

[GrantDawg]

I thought for sure that was going to be roughing the kicker, but actually they call holding on the kicking team, as the Pittsburgh linemen blocked the guy into the punters plant leg. He gets the penalty and takes out his own punter.

[GrantDawg]

Cousin throws another pick and that is going to be the ball game. He has made some terrible decisions in this game. Again, first game, but the thing they are paying him all the money for is to NOT make those kind of mistakes.

[Ksyrup]

Bengals are 1-10 in the 1st 2 weeks of the season under Taylor.

[dubb93]

That Nico Collins catch was right at the chains and clearly short.
Why did they only review the catch and not the spot? It was clearly short of the marker. The marker was right there.

[larrymcg421]

With just over 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, Travis Etienne broke through the line and was headed for a TD to make it 24-7 Jags. At the last second Jevon Holland punched the ball loose and Dolphins recovered in the end zone.

On the very next play, Tua throws an 80 yard TD pass to Hill. Dolphins end up winning 20-17.

[Thomkal]

nice to see my beloved cards with the lead at the half


Not nice to see them fall apart after the half. Murray less than 200 yards passing, Harrison with just one catch is not going to get wins. But hey they got the first dynamic kickoff or whatever they are calling it TD

[albionmoonlight]

There was a holding in the end zone safety in the Seahawks Broncos game, which is kind of cool. You rarely see those.

[flere-imsaho]

Bears doing their best to make Levis look like Aaron Rodgers.

This aged well.

You know, probably just best to ignore me.

[henry296]

There was a holding in the end zone safety in the Seahawks Broncos game, which is kind of cool. You rarely see those.

And they get another safety later in the first half. First time with 2 safeties by the same team since 2017.

[weegeebored]

Wow the Bears suck again.The Bears will win some games because of their D which will at least be very good and possibly great. But I've seen this movie on offense too many times. Poles is not a good GM. Everyone who knows a little about football knows that you build a good team starting with the lines. The pass rush was ok but the O-line is still a joke. Shelton is a sieve. Davis was a huge overplay. So yeah...let's draft Odunze instead of trying to work a deal for an actual NFL lineman.

But don't cut Velus Jones. He's too valuable to the team. :banghead: Poles is a joke just like Pace, Emery, Angelo, all the way down to Vainisi. Some things never change.

And PN18? Not a great debut. That's Bryce Young territory right there.

[JPhillips]

Bengals are 1-10 in the 1st 2 weeks of the season under Taylor.

Seems all but guaranteed they'll be 1-11 after KC next week.

[cuervo72]

“Since the facemask IS the pass interference…”

Don’t recall seeing that often.

[Edward64]

Cousin throws another pick and that is going to be the ball game. He has made some terrible decisions in this game. Again, first game, but the thing they are paying him all the money for is to NOT make those kind of mistakes.

I thought it was weird he didn't play in any pre-season games. Figured at least a quarter. He better figure it out in the next couple games.

[GrantDawg]

He can't play. He stayed in pistol the whole game (a formation he has only played in 10 plays his whole career) because he is unable to take snaps under center. The more I have seen people break down this game, the gloomer it gets. His arm strength is down. There was absolutely zero play action, which has always been his strength. He shouldn't have started. Now they have games versus the Eagles and the Chiefs, and they are likely going to be looking at 0-3. This could get ugly.

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[bhlloy]

There is some awful, awful QB play in this league. How much are Watson and Jones getting paid to not be able to complete a 10 yard pass on a regular basis?

Not sure what other rules the NFL can tweak to try to mask the fact that an increasing number of starting QBs just don’t look like they belong out there on the field.

[Ksyrup]

I don't understand Payton's offense. Should have just stuck with Russ at this point. 21 completions and 34 throws for 104 yards. What's the point?

Week 1 isn't even over and I'm already rooting for a Penix/Jameis/Stidham remix.

[larrymcg421]

If only Cleveland had a chance to sign the Tampa Bay QB who is killing it today.

[albionmoonlight]

“Let’s get rid of our good QB and trade a bunch of assets for a bad QB and give him a fully guaranteed contract.”

“Hmmm. Tempting. Do you have anything more to seal the deal?”

“He’s also a sex pest.”

“Sold!”

[dubb93]

There is some awful, awful QB play in this league. How much are Watson and Jones getting paid to not be able to complete a 10 yard pass on a regular basis?

Full disclosure I’m an overweight 40 year old white guy, but there are legit some QBs in the league that can’t consistently make throws that I CAN. Look, I know because I’m throwing 200 of those passes a week to my kids. Yea they can run a 4.4-4.6 40 and/or throw the ball 90 yards but it’s really embarrassing that they can’t complete a 10 yard throw. IDK what has gone wrong with some of these guys but it’s frustrating watching your team lose because a QB overthrows nearly ever fucking pass.

[Ksyrup]

“Let’s get rid of our good QB and trade a bunch of assets for a bad QB and give him a fully guaranteed contract.”

“Hmmm. Tempting. Do you have anything more to seal the deal?”

“He’s also a sex pest.”

“Sold!”

As I recall, Mayfield had a down year but was known to be dealing with injuries for the last half of that season, at least. It's not like he suddenly pulled a Russell Wilson out of thin air.

Given Watson's off-field issues, time away from the game, and continuing expectation to be the QB on a playoff-caliber team for a couple of years now, I feel like his deal is even worse than Wilson's. In Wilson's case, everyone except Seattle was fooled as to what he was. With Watson, he had multiple question marks.

[RainMaker]

The Bears will win some games because of their D which will at least be very good and possibly great. But I've seen this movie on offense too many times. Poles is not a good GM. Everyone who knows a little about football knows that you build a good team starting with the lines. The pass rush was ok but the O-line is still a joke. Shelton is a sieve. Davis was a huge overplay. So yeah...let's draft Odunze instead of trying to work a deal for an actual NFL lineman.

But don't cut Velus Jones. He's too valuable to the team. :banghead: Poles is a joke just like Pace, Emery, Angelo, all the way down to Vainisi. Some things never change.

And PN18? Not a great debut. That's Bryce Young territory right there.

Odunze is a good pick. You can't pass up that kind of value. The issue is they didn't use their massive cap space to sign competent offensive linemen. There were centers available at relatively cheap prices, but we needed to spend money on Gerald Everett for some fucking reason.

[Ksyrup]

Looks like Joey Chesnut was at the Bengals game, eating of course. Apparently he passed his indigestion to the fans.

[thesloppy]

Almost Lions time! I want to see Hutchinson crush Stafford, if Jamo Williams can finally step up as WR2 and if Jahmyr Gibbs can continue his evolution as a weapon in the backfield.

[NobodyHere]

Almost Lions time! I want to see Hutchinson crush Stafford, if Jamo Williams can finally step up as WR2 and if Jahmyr Gibbs can continue his evolution as a weapon in the backfield.

ditto. my fantast team depends on that.

[thesloppy]

This ad makes me wish there was a George Michael's Sports Machine show, but with Marshawn Lynch

[Jstraub]

Full disclosure I’m an overweight 40 year old white guy, but there are legit some QBs in the league that can’t consistently make throws that I CAN. Look, I know because I’m throwing 200 of those passes a week to my kids. Yea they can run a 4.4-4.6 40 and/or throw the ball 90 yards but it’s really embarrassing that they can’t complete a 10 yard throw. IDK what has gone wrong with some of these guys but it’s frustrating watching your team lose because a QB overthrows nearly ever fucking pass.

No Offense but throwing 200 passes to your kids (with nobody trying to hurt you) is not the same as having, at minimum, three large and fast men trying to hurt you while throwing.

I agree QB play looks sloppy but lets not get carried away here... The QB position is not easy to play.

[CrimsonFox]

That was some lovely detroit offense and defense there.

[thesloppy]

This all looks like classic Lions

[Ksyrup]

Best call of the night was Stafford taking heads, it looks like.

[thesloppy]

Montgomery went beast mode at the end there.

[CrimsonFox]

WOW Montgomery is a MONSTER! Pick him up now if he's avaialble!

[weegeebored]

Odunze is a good pick. You can't pass up that kind of value. The issue is they didn't use their massive cap space to sign competent offensive linemen. There were centers available at relatively cheap prices, but we needed to spend money on Gerald Everett for some fucking reason.My point it that they didn't need a WR this year. Are there no good ones in next year's draft class? So for this year Oduze was a bad pick when it was clear that the lines needed help. That #9 pick was worth a lot to some teams especially with Odunze still on the board. A smart GM would have made a deal.

[CrimsonFox]

This all looks like classic Lions

Is this sarcasm of some kind? Or...I'm just not sure how to read statements like this anymore :)

[AlexB]

No Offense but throwing 200 passes to your kids (with nobody trying to hurt you) is not the same as having, at minimum, three large and fast men trying to hurt you while throwing.

I agree QB play looks sloppy but lets not get carried away here... The QB position is not easy to play.

I think it’s too early to make definitive judgement on anything for another week or two at least: one less preseason game, starters barely played and a Sunday gap means players are severely undercooked.

[stevew]

Seems like the Giants or panthers have a reasonable shot at not winning any games. The Raiders as well.

[CrimsonFox]

So how's that round 1 draft pick shaking out, atlanta?

[dubb93]

So how's that round 1 draft pick shaking out, atlanta?

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.

[miami_fan]

I think it’s too early to make definitive judgement on anything for another week or two at least: one less preseason game, starters barely played and a Sunday gap means players are severely undercooked.

We can draw some immediate conclusions (Chiefs will be good, Panthers will suck etc) but I agree with the general point. I know the old cliche is that certain QBs can roll out of bed and put 300+ yards, but no. These guys still need to play at least a three quarters of preseason football. That is now happening during the first 2-3 weeks of the regular season instead of games two and three of the preseason.

[dubb93]

These guys still need to play at least a three quarters of preseason football. That is now happening during the first 2-3 weeks of the regular season instead of games two and three of the preseason.

If a coach really isn't getting his team ready for the regular season and you are taking losses for it why wouldn't an owner move on from that coach? His job during the pre-season should be getting the team ready for the regular season. If he fails that then he has failed that portion of the season.

[albionmoonlight]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow, not just Tyreek… Now Deshaun Watson was arrested while on his way to Cleveland Browns stadium. <a href="https://t.co/6Ckwmlc0ic">pic.twitter.com/6Ckwmlc0ic</a></p>&mdash; Zachary Smith (@ZacharySmithPGH) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZacharySmithPGH/status/1832850758389137741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GrantDawg]

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.


The line is what they are. They are a great if not elite run blocking group. They are mediocre at best in pass blocking. The RT is just too big and slow to handle a great speed rusher like Watts, and the coach for some unexplained reason stopped using the blocking TE to help slow him down in the second half.

As for Cousins, I'm starting to feel like there is a combination of not wanting him to move much with the fact that according to Vikings fans he has always been a slow starter. He doesn't play well when uncomfortable, and that game was probably peak uncomfortable. Hopefully he settles in and they can figure out a way to get him in a better comfort zone. If not, about game 4-5 we might be seeing Penix.


edit: Just to add, if Penix does start they may need to rejigger the line as well. That would make the worst pass blocker his blindside linemen. I think they will have to replace McGary some how.

[albionmoonlight]

Brady/Brees gave us unrealistic expectations of QB longevity.

Maybe a 36 year old QB coming off an Achilles tear just isn't able to play at a high NFL level anymore. That's not a crazy outcome.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, curious to see how the 40yo coming off one does tonight.

[QuikSand]

Are we worried about Burrow and the Bengals? Or is this just their traditional slow start?

[flere-imsaho]

Depends. I saw a number of sources report that his wrist was still bothering him. If that's true, then I'd definitely be concerned. But without that I think I'd give it another week or two before panicking.

[cuervo72]

I lose a bit of confidence in a QB who bleaches his hair, or frosts his tips or whatever is going on there.

[Drake]

A couple of observations from the games I was able to catch this weekend:

1. The crowd energy for the Brazil game was weird and often incongruous to the point of being distracting. Sort of like the crowd energy from Americans watching soccer...where most spectators can sort of tell when something positive has happened, but they're not 100% sure if it was impressive or not.

2. I didn't look up who the referee was from the Lions game last night, but he was cracking me up all night by somehow suggesting through world-weary tone and body language that they weren't just penalties, but some variety of moral failure on the part of the participants. I would happily watch him referee every game for the rest of the season.

Edit: Apparently the ref's name is Adrian Hill, and he's also a rocket scientist. https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/adrian-hill-nfl-referee-rocket-scientist-talks-about-pressure-on-and-off-the-field-latest/

[cuervo72]

Oh, watching the Brazil game was really getting my wife annoyed. The sound mix was off, so much of the time it was tough to hear what the announcers were saying. Part of that was probably the crowd doing whatever they were doing, but also the PA announcer was LOUD and far too noticable.

On the crowd, I told my wife that they are used to soccer where nothing happens for 95% of the game so they kind of have to keep themselves occupied with chants and sing alongs and annoying musical instruments and the like.

(Seriously -- I do not GET the whole soccer anthem thing. Like, who the hell goes to a sporting event to sing show tunes? WTF is that about??)

[Ksyrup]

It's like watching a Japanese baseball game. Just relax, eat a hotdog, drink a beer and enjoy the game. The moments of frenzy are actually few and far between.

[miami_fan]

If a coach really isn't getting his team ready for the regular season and you are taking losses for it why wouldn't an owner move on from that coach? His job during the pre-season should be getting the team ready for the regular season. If he fails that then he has failed that portion of the season.

Depends on how much the owner believes one loss means the coach did not have the team ready for the regular season.

[Ksyrup]

In the case of the Bengals specifically, assuming a Week 2 loss to KC, the Bengals will have started 0-2 in 5 seasons and 1-1 in 1 season under Zac Taylor.

[miami_fan]

“Let’s get rid of our good QB and trade a bunch of assets for a bad QB and give him a fully guaranteed contract.”

“Hmmm. Tempting. Do you have anything more to seal the deal?”

“He’s also a sex pest.”

“Sold!”

The Watson debacle requires some over the top, extreme accountability panel, trial or something. Everyone on the football side needs to explain why they should not be banned from making football decisions again and for the owners from owning the team. Nothing about this signing has been a positive for anyone or anything besides Watson's bank account.

[stevew]

The Steelers punter is out for the season and I have to think that’s worth at least a half loss or more.

[bhlloy]

The Watson debacle requires some over the top, extreme accountability panel, trial or something. Everyone on the football side needs to explain why they should not be banned from making football decisions again and for the owners from owning the team. Nothing about this signing has been a positive for anyone or anything besides Watson's bank account.

I dunno, Watson at least was at one point a quality QB. Yes the sex pest stuff is distasteful, but he’s at least done it on the field. Daniel Jones never has been an above average QB.

That contract and then doubling down when in position to take the QB of the future and move on is unforgivable IMO.

[Ksyrup]

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

I don't think so.

He missed 1 full season (held out) in HOU. THEN they traded for him and then he missed 11 more games while suspended by the league.

So he missed nearly two full seasons, split between HOU & CLE i.e. before AND after the trade

[RainMaker]

Odunze getting an MRI on his knee today. Brutal news if it's serious.

[CrimsonFox]

This is pretty specific

Deshaun Watson is sued for sexual assault and battery - NBC Sports (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/deshaun-watson-is-sued-for-sexual-assault-and-battrey)

[cartman]

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

Before yesterday, he had only played in 12 games total over the previous 3 seasons

[CrimsonFox]

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.

I mean the fact that they could have had an excellent player to actually HELP COusins like a lineman, WR, or back

[RainMaker]

I guess the question for the Browns is how long do you stick with Watson this year? The team around him is really good and they don't need a lot of help. Jameis makes some bad decisions, but he's also willing to throw down field which that offense desperately needs.

[GrantDawg]

"I mean the fact that they could have had an excellent player to actually HELP COusins like a lineman, WR, or back"
There was zero chance they would have used that pick in any of those. It would have been a defensive lineman. They have top ten picks at wr, rb, and te. The whole offensive line are first and second round picks. They aren't lacking talent on offense. They are lacking quarterback play. That was what Cousins was supposed to bring and what Penix brings in the future.

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[Thomkal]

Yeah, curious to see how the 40yo coming off one does tonight.


I had to let my twin brother, a Jets fan, know that i hoped his starting QB lasted more than 4 plays this season, being the kind thoughtful twin that i am. ;)

[CrimsonFox]

So did anyone compile a list of how rookies and players on new teams did?

[Ksyrup]

OK, I don't need to be RFK Jr. to smell a ripe conspiracy theory. Watson's albatross contract + continuing poor play + horrible Week 1 loss + Browns kept 4 QBs out of training camp = they had this lawsuit in their back pocket just ready to give the signal to drop, right?

Do we know whether he's got a morals clause or anything related to additional lawsuits/accusations that would allow them to rescind his contract or claw back some/most of the signing bonus?

[Ksyrup]

I don't think so.

He missed 1 full season (held out) in HOU. THEN they traded for him and then he missed 11 more games while suspended by the league.

So he missed nearly two full seasons, split between HOU & CLE i.e. before AND after the trade

So yeah, he missed something close to 2 full seasons.

[stevew]

So did anyone compile a list of how rookies and players on new teams did?

Marvin Harrison Jr shouldn’t get fitted for a gold jacket yet.

[Ksyrup]

Bo Nix averaged 3.3 YPA on 42 attempts, the 6th lowest YPA of a QB with 40 or more attempts since the invention of the wheel, or something like that. So there's a rookie stat for you.

[GrantDawg]

"Do we know whether he's got a morals clause or anything related to additional lawsuits/accusations that would allow them to rescind his contract or claw back some/most of the signing bonus?"

According to Mike Florio, yes.

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[Ksyrup]

Keeping 4 QBs out of camp makes this hella suspicious, IMO.

[CrimsonFox]

Bo Nix averaged 3.3 YPA on 42 attempts, the 6th lowest YPA of a QB with 40 or more attempts since the invention of the wheel, or something like that. So there's a rookie stat for you.

https://i.gifer.com/origin/02/025028335f45d46a8fa9c283c6996ce9_w200.gif

[Lathum]

I am certain I said it somewhere on this board and I know I've said it in person several times. Bo Nix literally can not throw the ball downfield. Literally every pass at Oregon was a 3 yard out and their freakish athletes did the rest.

[CrimsonFox]

wow I forgot about Rodgers. Didn't realize he was well. He's looking fantastic. Calm centered. Not panicking. Not scrambling. That was a great drive.

[Ksyrup]

I am certain I said it somewhere on this board and I know I've said it in person several times. Bo Nix literally can not throw the ball downfield. Literally every pass at Oregon was a 3 yard out and their freakish athletes did the rest.

Perfect fit for Payton then, because Nix looked like a much cheaper, faster version of Russell Wilson yesterday. He forgot about the freakish athlete part, but in fairness to Payton, his hands are tied with 20% of their payroll still tied up in Wilson.

[miami_fan]

I dunno, Watson at least was at one point a quality QB. Yes the sex pest stuff is distasteful, but he’s at least done it on the field. Daniel Jones never has been an above average QB.

That contract and then doubling down when in position to take the QB of the future and move on is unforgivable IMO.

After dealing with the likes of Pat Schumur, Joe Judge etc. Jones went 9-6-1 and won a playoff game under a new head coach/offensive genius of the day before the Giants signed him to his current contract. It was definitely a mistake but it is not that egregious for a team to resign their top 5 draft pick who is a QB after that sort of season. They can also get out of their mistake at the end of this season for a $22,210,000 dead cap hit as far as I could tell. It did probably cost the Giants their QB of the future but there will be another QB of the future next year or the year after that because there is always a QB of the future and that team might be bad enough to get one. Or maybe they will find a 40 year HOFer who wants to also play in that stadium. You just hope he is better than Jones. That is not ideal but I feel that is far from being unforgivable.

Watson missed an entire year before he went to Cleveland. He was someone else's pick. You could also say that giving up what they did in draft capital also cost them a chance to get their QB of the future with . The Browns can not get out of their mistake at the end of the season because they nor can any team can't survive the $172,770,000 cap hit if they let Watson go. The Chiefs can get off of Mahomes' contract with just a $77,838,045 hit. That is unforgivable.

[Solecismic]

I don't get the Daniel Jones thing at all. He does not move the chains. He has never moved the chains. If you're OK with that, Carson Wentz is a better choice.

At least Deshaun Watson showed a lot of promise before he melted down in Houston, but instead of being happy getting paid with a good second contract, he wanted out and that's not leadership.

The Texans were more than happy to get a king's ransom for him and they're set up to be good for quite a while if Stroud keeps progressing.

The Browns... who knows if yesterday was a fair test. The Cowboys can torture quarterbacks and make just about anyone look bad. But if Watson really is still that bad, or close, they cannot get out from that contract. Not now, not next year, really not at all.

Too early to worry about the newbies, but Bo Nix and Caleb Williams both really struggled to do much of anything.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Somebody refresh my memory: was the Jets defense supposed to be a turnstile this year?

[RainMaker]

I don't think it's supposed to be bad but San Fran might just be a juggernaut too.

[CrimsonFox]

Poor Gardner Minshew! I didn't realize he was starting.

[CrimsonFox]

Saw this on facebook.
The last time each team won in week 1.

https://scontent.fluk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/459096633_550243890901732_3820876942728245779_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=hXIfcEcfwYEQ7kNvgHq0Jws&_nc_ht=scontent.fluk1-1.fna&_nc_gid=Aqe57rU9nz3Z5NSmCmdmgbd&oh=00_AYCck1PuHIlPcTzg75ri2WciJfJ9gdQpLD_1ytyiWZpGnw&oe=66E7FBFD

[Kodos]

Wow. Wouldn’t have guessed the Colts.

[NobodyHere]

Wow. Wouldn’t have guessed the Colts.

I would have :(

[Lathum]

So, ummm, Shannon sharpe….

[thesloppy]

I posted about this way too much last year, so apologies for harping on it again, but: this Al Michaels & Kirk Herbstreit team fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I love classic Al, but he can't get excited anymore and will have the same tone of voice for a false start or an incredible touchdown catch. Herbstreit says practically nothing & he shows even less emotion than Al. Painful.

[Kodos]

Painful is having Tua as my fantasy starter tonight with Jordan Love injured.

[bhlloy]

How soon until we are adding Tua to the list of horrendously overpaid QB's? It shouldn't be this hard to throw the ball to Hill, Waddle and Achane against a depleted defense.

He looks like he's never seen a zone before in his life, and you can bet if he can't figure it out in the second half teams will do the same to him every single week.

[bhlloy]

DOLA - these new kickoffs are great, aren't they?

[thesloppy]

The kickoffs are just as awesome as the illegal formation penalties.

[thesloppy]

Painful is having Tua as my fantasy starter tonight with Jordan Love injured.


Ouch

[Ksyrup]

Tua will probably come back from this obvious concussion, either today, next week, or in a month or two, but one time, he will never come back.

[Kodos]

Even more ouch.

[cuervo72]

Well, there’s another concussion.

[bhlloy]

You can understand why he's playing angry, but good god man. Learn to slide when you have jello for brains to begin with.

[Lathum]

How soon until we are adding Tua to the list of horrendously overpaid QB's? It shouldn't be this hard to throw the ball to Hill, Waddle and Achane against a depleted defense.

He looks like he's never seen a zone before in his life, and you can bet if he can't figure it out in the second half teams will do the same to him every single week.

Been saying for years, with people here giving me shit, that he is horribly overrated.

[RainMaker]

That looked pretty bad. He was doing some weird stuff with his hand after.

[Lathum]

took only 6 minutes to rule him out with a concussion

[Lathum]

Tua may be done for good...

[Danny]

How can you continue to play where any moderate hit to your head causes a serious concussion. Hes going to end up a vegetable by 40 if he keeps playing (assuming they allow him to)

[CrimsonFox]

Cook and shamir stock up. Good pickups for ff

[CrimsonFox]

Al michaels is STILL announcing. I did not know that. Good for him

[CrimsonFox]

Oiching another turnover for tua 30 to 10

[CrimsonFox]

Okay just saw the concussion play. The pick sixes looked more painful

[Solecismic]

I don't think this is an over-reaction, but it seems irresponsible to think that Tagovailoa can play again and perhaps the NFL should step in if the Dolphins say otherwise and an expert group of independent doctors don't concur.

[bob]

What happens to his contract if he can't play again, both in terms of what he gets paid and the cap situation?

[GrantDawg]

What happens to his contract if he can't play again, both in terms of what he gets paid and the cap situation?


Wondering the same thing. This says he will lose $167 million of the contract if he chooses to retire, and most of the $42 million signing bonus. The only way the team is on the hook for the whole contract is if he plays or if he is forced to retire. I imagine if he is forced, there would be some kind of settlement.


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/all-eyes-turn-to-tua-tagovailoas-status#:~:text=His%20new%20contract%20carries%20more,affirmatively%20decides%20to%20retire%20now.

[stevew]

Demar Hamlin literally killing someone on the field would have been the peak of irony.

[flere-imsaho]

I don't think this is an over-reaction, but it seems irresponsible to think that Tagovailoa can play again and perhaps the NFL should step in if the Dolphins say otherwise and an expert group of independent doctors don't concur.

I couldn't agree more. We're watching a guy out there taking years, if not decades, off of his life.

I imagine if he is forced, there would be some kind of settlement.

Yeah, I would expect a settlement too, and it would be the right thing to do. I mean, you can make an argument that it's a workplace injury, and if you wanted to go far enough you could claim (reasonably, I think) that the employers have been negligent with this injury (especially with Tua's previous concussions).

[albionmoonlight]

I don’t have something as amazing as an NFL career to lose, so I get that I can’t speak for Tua. But from my perspective, coming back isn’t worth it. You want to be able to remember your friends’ and family's names when you’re in your 40s. And at the rate he’s going, he won’t.

[albionmoonlight]

Also, Tom Brady coming back to win an AFC East title with the Dolphins would be hilarious and some sports movie shit.

[albionmoonlight]

More realistically (but less awesomely): Flacco? Tannehill?

[Lathum]

More realistically (but less awesomely): Flacco? Tannehill?

If I am the Giants I am on the phone offering them Danny Dimes for a 6th round pick.

[CrimsonFox]

you disrespect skylar thompson

[Ksyrup]

Hey, Denver wants in! We have Stidham or Wilson although I have to imagine Wilson's upside means he stays in case (or when) Nix has to be benched if he's not the next Drew Brees.

[stevew]

Russell Wilson to Miami

[flere-imsaho]

I'm reasonably sure Brady would be an upgrade over about half of the league's starting QBs.

[Lathum]

I'm reasonably sure Brady would be an upgrade over about half of the league's starting QBs.

Whatever it takes to get him out of the booth

[NobodyHere]

Tyreek Hill on 'traumatic' traffic stop: 'I can't watch' footage (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/dolphins/2024/09/12/tyreek-hill-traffic-stop-police-tnf-interview/75198361007/)

I wonder if he'll be able to watch footage of yesterday's game.

[Lathum]

"It's embarrassing for my family and my kids. Had my wife (Keeta) worried and she’s pregnant. I’m still trying to put it all together. I’m still trying to put pieces to the puzzle."

err....next level lack of self awareness...

[Atocep]

Any player that suffers a concussion should be required to wear a guardian cap the rest of the season. I'm also not sure why someone like Tua isn't wearing one already.

[dubb93]

More realistically (but less awesomely): Flacco? Tannehill?

Flacco isn’t going anywhere as long as the Colts think they have a playoff shot. They missed out on winning the division by one game last year with a backup QB playing most of the way.

[dubb93]

Any player that suffers a concussion should be required to wear a guardian cap the rest of the season. I'm also not sure why someone like Tua isn't wearing one already.

I’m not really sure why they aren’t mandatory anyway. If they really do work everyone should have one on.

[JPhillips]

Just saw the Tua play and that's a textbook example of why runners shouldn't lead with their head.

[CrimsonFox]

Russell Wilson to Miami

aw I was gonna make that joke

[CrimsonFox]

Tyreek Hill on 'traumatic' traffic stop: 'I can't watch' footage (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/dolphins/2024/09/12/tyreek-hill-traffic-stop-police-tnf-interview/75198361007/)

I wonder if he'll be able to watch footage of yesterday's game.

okay that's damn funny

[Solecismic]

Wondering the same thing. This says he will lose $167 million of the contract if he chooses to retire, and most of the $42 million signing bonus. The only way the team is on the hook for the whole contract is if he plays or if he is forced to retire. I imagine if he is forced, there would be some kind of settlement.


All eyes turn to Tua Tagovailoa&#x27;s status - NBC Sports (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/all-eyes-turn-to-tua-tagovailoas-status#:~:text=His%20new%20contract%20carries%20more,affirmatively%20decides%20to%20retire%20now).

Why would he settle? Part of these big contracts is the guarantee in case of injury. In Tua's case, that's the entire 2026 portion of the contract ($56 million).

In other words, his agent structured the contract specifically to address this possibility. That the worst happened just two games into the contract is just part of the deal.

If Tua retires (and I looked at the clip again, the way his arm is out, he might not survive another play like that), I'm sure he'll time the announcement the way the Dolphins want. My guess is that they'll choose to write off $84 million against the 2026 cap. But when you give a guy the big contract, you give him insurance as well, and everyone knew it was higher risk for Tua.

If the Dolphins want to challenge that $56 million for 2026 on the basis that Tua could be cleared to play, maybe, who knows, it's not a good look for the NFL and they know it. In the next CBA, perhaps there will be cap relief for this sort of thing, but that has to be negotiated.

There's so much money in the NFL right now, and given that there's maybe 200 guys in the NFL worth paying the big contracts, agents and teams are filling the cap in more and more inventive ways (look up void years if you want a lesson in crazy). Membership in that group of 200 changes a lot, year-to-year, and the rest of the NFL is minimum salary plus a tiny bit, maybe.

It's a difficult situation for the Dolphins, but Tua earned this security based on how the CBA works. Think of how it would suck for Brock Purdy, for example, if the same thing happened to him right before he gets to sign his big contract this coming spring.

[RainMaker]

If someone is forced into medical retirement, do they still count against the cap? I know other leagues will allow for medical exemptions. You still have to pay the contract, but you don't get the cap hit.

[stevew]

Yeah, Ryan Shazier did.

[miami_fan]

Tua Tagovailoa's contract: How could retirement affect QB's deal? Salary cap expert forecasts what's next - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoas-contract-how-could-retirement-affect-qbs-deal-salary-cap-expert-forecasts-whats-next/)

On a related note, when Chris Bosh was diagnosed with the heart issues that ended his career, he searched and searched for a doctor that would clear him to play and get the final $52 million left on his contract. Bosh and the Heat ended up settling with the Heat paying out the entire $52 mil in 120 twice-monthly installments of $434,393 that ended in 2022.

[GrantDawg]

"In the end, were Tagovailoa to voluntarily retire, Corry believes the Dolphins would be unlikely to pursue a full return on the remainder of the quarterback's signing bonus. Still, given the anticipated void in guarantees, he estimates Tagovailoa would be walking away from a total of $124 million, barring some kind of drastic settlement negotiated with the team."

This is what I was talking about. Unless the doctor says he can never play again (unlikely), he is going to lose a substantial amount of money, including possibily a good portion of his signing bonus if he retires. It makes sense for the team and the player to make some kind of mutual agreement so he can walk away, and the team does not look like they are forcing him to return to get his money.

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[miami_fan]

"In the end, were Tagovailoa to voluntarily retire, Corry believes the Dolphins would be unlikely to pursue a full return on the remainder of the quarterback's signing bonus. Still, given the anticipated void in guarantees, he estimates Tagovailoa would be walking away from a total of $124 million, barring some kind of drastic settlement negotiated with the team."

This is what I was talking about. Unless the doctor says he can never play again (unlikely), he is going to lose a substantial amount of money, including possibily a good portion of his signing bonus if he retires. It makes sense for the team and the player to make some kind of mutual agreement so he can walk away, and the team does not look like they are forcing him to return to get his money.

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That last part is what reminded me of Bosh and the Heat. The team doctor would not clear him to play despite Bosh wanting to play. Bosh retired, came off the team's books and the Heat fulfilled the rest of his contract anyways. The doctor mentioned in the article is the Dolphins' team doctor. Is it that big of a leap to suggest that the reason the team doctor would clear Tua is because the team would be on the hook for $167.2 million if he did not?

After hearing the comments from Antonio Pierce and Doug Pederson, I want to believe that Rog ordered the broadcast partners to push the Tua should retire narrative. This is the second straight Dolphin Thursday night game where Tua had a a fencing response after being hit in the helmet. I feel like this should be it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nobody asked but I'm entirely in McDaniel's camp on this one

The future is a decision for Tua, his family, and his doctors.

Pierce & Pederson should both fuck right on off afaic, they don't get to decide another man's future, and most especially a competitor in their own conference.

[miami_fan]

Nobody asked but I'm entirely in McDaniel's camp on this one

The future is a decision for Tua, his family, and his doctors.

Pierce & Pederson should both fuck right on off afaic, they don't get to decide another man's future, and most especially a competitor in their own conference.

Also water is wet.

Of course the final decision is between Tua, his family and his doctors. I guess the coaches can give a no comment, or say they are not familiar with the case etc. I don't think either said anything out of bounds.

Here is Pierce's response when asked for his reaction.

"I'll be honest, I'd tell him to retire. It's not worth it," Pierce said. "Playing the game, I haven't witnessed anything like what's happened to him three times. Scary -- you could see right away; the players' faces on the field. You could see the sense of urgency from everybody to get Tua help. I just think at some point -- he's going to live longer than he's going to play football. Take care of your family."

Here is Pederson's.

"If it was one of our guys, you have to be very careful and do the right thing for the player. I think that's the most important thing," Pederson said. "It's part of the game that obviously we're trying to remove; I just don't know if we can fully remove it because of the nature of these hits. I think you just have to continue to think about the player and the health and safety of the player and making sure they're 1,000 percent healthy. Those are just decisions that I think, personally, as a player you have to consider as you think about your career.

"Everybody wants to play, and they love this game so much and they give so much to it that, when things like this happen, reality kind of hits a little bit, and it shows the human side of our sport."

Those feel like pretty reasonable responses to the questions especially from former players turned head coaches who probably still identify with the other players on the field as well as Tua. I know this is crass to say but it's true. I am a Dolphins/Tua fan but, I don't think anyone believes head coaches across the league will be wiping the sweat off their brow in relief because they no longer have to face Tua if he is forced to retire. Just like anyone else who has seen the four NFL concussions Tua has suffered (yes, I am including the BS "back" injury he suffered against ironically the Bills.), Pierce and Pederson gave their opinion but the points of view of current head coaches and former players. Since I am already being crass, if Damar Hamilin suffers the same heart injury four times, I feel like no one would be questioning an opposing coach giving those responses.

[QuikSand]

I think there's a strong incentive for the league to step in and cut a cap-management deal with the Dolphins. Screw Ross (owner) on cash, but don't hobble the franchise here if the best resolution for Tua is to stop playing - they shuffle around some rules to lessen the inferno of dead cap in the event that the team abides by his decision to step away. Seems like an element in the best way to set up a soft landing there, imo.

[JonInMiddleGA]

All the talk about the money, salary cap considerations, so forth, really doesn't move me. I get it, but it doesn't move me.

It hits me more from the standpoint of other people saying what somebody "should" do when it's not them being told to walk away from such a sizable portion of their life.

I don't know where football sits in his priorities ... but I'm adamant that his choice about where it fits is his & his alone.

[flere-imsaho]

aw I was gonna make that joke

If Fields plays decently vs. Denver this weekend it will no longer be a joke (Wilson to the Dolphins).

[miami_fan]

All the talk about the money, salary cap considerations, so forth, really doesn't move me. I get it, but it doesn't move me.

It hits me more from the standpoint of other people saying what somebody "should" do when it's not them being told to walk away from such a sizable portion of their life.

I don't know where football sits in his priorities ... but I'm adamant that his choice about where it fits is his & his alone.

Agreed! And I would feel the same way if their advice were to go through the protocol and come back as soon as he gets the all clear. The call is ultimately his if the team and the league will allow him to play.

That is why I would only want to hear the opinions of these former players who have also been faced with the decision to walk away from such a sizable portion of their life. They also have a perspective that comes with age and experience that Tua can't have at this point in his life of what life as a former player can look like. Tua has every right to disagree with them or anyone else and probably will ignore all the white noise. But I would be shocked if Tua does not seek the opinion of a former player or two that he trusts for their opinion and consider that opinion along with the opinions of his doctors and family before he ultimately decides what he wants to do.

[Solecismic]

All the talk about the money, salary cap considerations, so forth, really doesn't move me. I get it, but it doesn't move me.

It hits me more from the standpoint of other people saying what somebody "should" do when it's not them being told to walk away from such a sizable portion of their life.

I don't know where football sits in his priorities ... but I'm adamant that his choice about where it fits is his & his alone.

The first point, absolutely. The NFL and NFLPA have a CBA and Tagovailoa has specific rights, as do the Dolphins. That work has been done and the money situation shouldn't be an emotional one.

The second point, no. Human existence builds on its collective wisdom. We have evolved so much further than our genetic structure alone because we have a wealth of knowledge at our fingertips.

We also are at a cultural place where being starting quarterback of an NFL team is something 32 men do, and this is the absolute pinnacle of athletic achievement. There are more forces pulling in one direction or another than one person could possibly manage.

In that sense, there needs to be a set of guidelines, because, as we saw two years ago, when Damar Hamlin was injured and it looked like he wasn't going to survive the night, it felt awful. And Hamlin is a name I doubt most casual NFL fans had even heard in their lives. Imagine if that were one of the 32 out there.

There's a societal obligation that goes beyond Tagovailoa and his family. He makes the final decision, but there are limits, and those limits need to come from wisdom no individual who isn't a medical specialist in head injuries can give him.

If Tagovailoa decides to go back out there, takes another fairly benign-looking hit, and dies on the field, the impact would be extraordinary.

The best medical experts in the country need to understand why he experienced what looks like a severe concussion from impact that looked like half of the plays in a normal game. And if they conclude that either because of genetics or because of past concussions, Tagovailoa is simply prone to this, the NFL can't let him play again and it should not be his decision.

He's too important to all of us. And, really, that should go for any athlete, by extension, but there's going to be a lot of talk about this particular case as he recovers.

[Passacaglia]

Just replace him with Taulia

[Atocep]

It's just one game, but this is crazy.

Here's a bizarre number: Harrison's top speed in Week 1 was just 16.7 mph, per NFL Next Gen Stats. That's on all plays, not just on plays as a ball carrier. I'll be the first to tell you that top speeds are a product of circumstance more than anything else. Get the ball in space and make a dash to the end zone? You'll be faster than DK Metcalf on a dig route. But 16.7 is low. Since the start of last season, there have been 1,730 games in which wide receivers have taken at least 25 offensive snaps. Harrison's Week 1 top speed ranks No. 1,699 on that list. If we filter out plays with the ball, it's a similar result.

[RainMaker]

It's just one game, but this is crazy.

I have no idea what to make of it but I remember some people were very concerned about him having such a high contested rate in college. Like the guys with high contest rates almost always bust.


He'll probably now go on to catch 12 balls for 200 yards this weekend.

[Ksyrup]

I'm not sure I even understand what the implication is. He's slow, or he wasn't trying, or both?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm not sure I even understand what the implication is. He's slow, or he wasn't trying, or both?

I feel like it’s implying both maybe?

[JonInMiddleGA]

He's too important to all of us. .

So "we" just collectively decide what's right for him. T'hell with what he thinks about it, "we" know better for him.

Umm, yeah, fuck that.

[QuikSand]

But the worry is that he skipped the rookie combines etc partially to hide that he's not physically all that impressive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Let me just clear up one little thing.

There's rules about concussions in place, agreed to by both the league and the players. The oft-mentioned "protocol".

I'm not saying Tua gets to override the rules. I'm saying that if he passes whatever series of tests (etc, et al) those rules call for then he deserves the right to be treated like everybody else.

If they want a different set of rules for some sub-group of players, okey dokey, write those up and everybody sign off.

But in the absence of that, have the decency to treat him like an adult.

[Lathum]

The Saints may be good.

[Solecismic]

Let me just clear up one little thing.

There's rules about concussions in place, agreed to by both the league and the players. The oft-mentioned "protocol".

I'm not saying Tua gets to override the rules. I'm saying that if he passes whatever series of tests (etc, et al) those rules call for then he deserves the right to be treated like everybody else.

If they want a different set of rules for some sub-group of players, okey dokey, write those up and everybody sign off.

But in the absence of that, have the decency to treat him like an adult.

In that framework, we are in agreement.

I would suggest that, right now, it is in the best interest of both the NFL and the NFLPA to have frequent discussions with concussion experts, keeping in mind how it would affect the sport if a star quarterback with a concussion history is killed on the field.

Whatever tests they come up with should apply to all players.

They have started this process with the concussion protocol. But this is a relatively new field of research for neuroscience and they need to ask some questions given what we saw with Tagovailoa, knowing they might not want to hear the answers.

It is unacceptable to say "we have this covered under existing protocol" when we see someone with a known concussion history experience a severe concussion from a relatively normal football play. It may have been random bad luck, but it also might be an indication that the existing protocol doesn't protect the players enough.

[miami_fan]

Random stat lines I did not expect to see today.

Malik Willis is currently 12/14 122 yards 1 TD 0 INT with about 4 minutes left in the 4th.

Aaron Rodgers is 13/24 116 yards 2 TD 0 INT at the start of the 4th.

[RainMaker]

OK maybe Marvin Harrison Jr is good.

[JPhillips]

I'm liking this Bengals offense. No point in having 5 TEs on the roster if you aren't going to run 2 and 3 TE sets.

[Solecismic]

The Commanders beat the Giants, 21-18, on Siebert's seventh field goal as time expired.

The Giants had three touchdowns, but Gano was hurt on the opening kickoff. Their punter missed the extra point after the first touchdown and they didn't convert on two-point conversions on the other two and passed up a field goal attempt to go for it on fourth down from about extra-point distance late in the fourth quarter with the score tied at 18.

I'm not sure why they gave up on the punter so quickly. It seems like they should have set him up with the long-snapper and had him working on this so he could at least have the feel of step-step kick. But since quarterbacks no longer train in kick holding (thanks, Romo), maybe they didn't have anyone else on the roster who knew laces-out.

[bhlloy]

How fast is Marvin Harrison Jr. running this week?

[GrantDawg]

How fast is Marvin Harrison Jr. running this week?
Somebody pissed that guy off.

[Drake]

I didn't see the game, but Aiden Hutchinson's line in the Lions loss is bonkers.

He might be pretty good.

[Thomkal]

How fast is Marvin Harrison Jr. running this week?


And my blood pressure has gone down, thank you Marvin. What a change from Week 1,

[Thomkal]

The Commanders beat the Giants, 21-18, on Siebert's seventh field goal as time expired.

The Giants had three touchdowns, but Gano was hurt on the opening kickoff. Their punter missed the extra point after the first touchdown and they didn't convert on two-point conversions on the other two and passed up a field goal attempt to go for it on fourth down from about extra-point distance late in the fourth quarter with the score tied at 18.

I'm not sure why they gave up on the punter so quickly. It seems like they should have set him up with the long-snapper and had him working on this so he could at least have the feel of step-step kick. But since quarterbacks no longer train in kick holding (thanks, Romo), maybe they didn't have anyone else on the roster who knew laces-out.


i don't think they are going to cut their kicker this week...

[Thomkal]

I think carolina might have to fire their whole team after 2 games-coaches and all.

[Ksyrup]

It's Stidham/Wilson time.

Only play of the day is a trick play big pass, followed by an end zone INT.

[Solecismic]

It's Stidham/Wilson time.

Only play of the day is a trick play big pass, followed by an end zone INT.

You don't give up on a first-round quarterback draft pick in his second game, but it is time to worry about it. That interception was a pick-nix (took away six points rather than gave them to the other team) - not the time and place to forget that there might be competent underneath coverage. That last downfield pass might have been even worse - wide open 40 yards downfield and he practically threw it into the stands.

[Ksyrup]

I don't see the accuracy that's supposed to set him apart. They don't have weapons but when the guys we do have get open, he's still missing them. It's definitely discouraging.

Just in the past 5 minutes I watched him overthrow a guy on the sideline on the run and then underthrow a guy across the middle.

[GrantDawg]

So it is Auburn Bo Nix then.

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[CrimsonFox]

The Saints may be good.

This fact never surprises me

[Atocep]

I think the big concern with Nix this early would be he's 24 years old and was supposed to be a high floor guy after more than 60 starts in college. I wasn't a big Nix fan as a prospect but I thought his strengths played well with Payton so that would ease his transition and make him look better than he really is.

With that said, there is an adjustment period that's going to vary from player to player. Caleb looked good in the preseason but once the real games started interior pressure had him hurrying everything. Wobbly passes, rushed and inaccurate passes. I'm fairly confident he'll be fine in the long term but the interior line for the bears is a concern. Center and right guard a turnstile. Not sure how Denver's line is, I haven't watched either week but I don't think playing Wilson or Stidham is going to do anything positive for the Broncos at this point.

[CrimsonFox]

bengals keeping it close at least.

[Ksyrup]

I think the big concern with Nix this early would be he's 24 years old and was supposed to be a high floor guy after more than 60 starts in college. I wasn't a big Nix fan as a prospect but I thought his strengths played well with Payton so that would ease his transition and make him look better than he really is.

With that said, there is an adjustment period that's going to vary from player to player. Caleb looked good in the preseason but once the real games started interior pressure had him hurrying everything. Wobbly passes, rushed and inaccurate passes. I'm fairly confident he'll be fine in the long term but the interior line for the bears is a concern. Center and right guard a turnstile. Not sure how Denver's line is, I haven't watched either week but I don't think playing Wilson or Stidham is going to do anything positive for the Broncos at this point.

All true. This team is not very talented, and no one is in synch. When Nix does something good, someone else breaks down (OL, dropped pass, TO), and vice versa. It's like a baseball team where they lose 12-10 or 3-2.

[CrimsonFox]

I mean he's a rookie QB in a beast league. He needs time.

[Ksyrup]

Sure. But he probably doesn't need to be starting Day 1.

[JPhillips]

Well that sucks. Chiefs are probably going to win now.

[Lathum]

I mean he's a rookie QB in a beast league. He needs time.

Nix sucks. He literally can't throw the ball more than 10 yards.

[NobodyHere]

Why are the Browns playing again in the Sunday Night game?

[albionmoonlight]

The Bears have one of the most iconic uniforms and all of sports. It never makes sense to me when they decide to go to alternative uniforms and look like a mid-tier MAC team.

[Atocep]

The Bears interior line is so bad it's blowing up just about anything they try to do.

[Solecismic]

I think Caleb Williams is going to do OK in the league. He has the arm. Maybe he'll even reach elite status.

It's going to be hard, though, if the line can't do anything. And that last scramble should have been accompanied with Benny Hill theme music. He's got to get the ball out faster.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So it is Auburn Bo Nix then.


That's really the only one that's ever existed. Oregon just managed to minimize his many weaknesses, which is tougher to do in the NFL.

[weegeebored]

I think Caleb Williams is going to do OK in the league. He has the arm. Maybe he'll even reach elite status.

It's going to be hard, though, if the line can't do anything. And that last scramble should have been accompanied with Benny Hill theme music. He's got to get the ball out faster.He's been coddled all his football life, and most times he was the best player on the field. He looks confused and antsy. Welcome to the NFL. I blame Poles. Oduze was a stupid pick when both lines needed help. Same old Bears.

I should add that Shane Waldron doesn't have a clue either.

[Solecismic]

He's been coddled all his football life, and most times he was the best player on the field. He looks confused and antsy. Welcome to the NFL. I blame Poles. Oduze was a stupid pick when both lines needed help. Same old Bears.

I should add that Shane Waldron doesn't have a clue either.

Odunze is not looking like a great pick there, and I can't imagine any of the four tackles taken 11-20 wouldn't have been quite welcome.

I don't know how you get to this point as a wide receiver and can't recognize you have outside position on your guy and there's a safety coming over the top and you need to go to the sidelines past the sticks and take what's given on third or fourth down. Credit Williams for not throwing a tantrum and showing him up afterward.

The Bears have pieces of a good team there. I think Williams can be the real deal if he gets good coaching. Part of that is communication, and I didn't see a lot of that today. But he's got a phenomenal arm and a nice delivery.