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Umbrella
01-13-2025, 04:06 PM
I'm back with a new playthrough of A More Perfect Union (AMPU). I've did a couple of dynasties a couple of years back (1928 Moderate Democrats - A More Perfect Union [alpha version] dynasty thread. - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=98868) and AMPU pre-alpha: Reconstruction Era - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=98884)) to test some things out. I recent months, I have been helping out with improving the CPU/AI activities and finding any discrepancies which could affect coding.
I'm going to do an all CPU playtest to make sure there are no problems with the CPU rules. This is about the fourth time I've done this, and have found some issues, so this playtest may have some stops and starts as issues are discovered.
Feel free to ask any questions about gameplay, or even how the country is progressing if it isn't something I covered in my reports.
For this run we are starting at the absolute earliest date, 1772. For those that have seen the latest software update, the 1772-1774 term is now playable, although there are some major UI improvements needed, and some things are not implemented quite correctly with the latest CPU/AI rules.
JonInMiddleGA
01-13-2025, 04:09 PM
fwiw, this is one of the more intriguing game ideas I can recall in a while.
It reminds me of something like the "alt universe SportX" stuff that goes really well on here, Critch's boxing replay most recently I guess.
It's fun to watch unfold, and even with stops/starts, it's still interesting stuff IMO.
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 04:10 PM
PROLOGUE
Teams will be listed as their color and a number. B= Blue and R=Red. the numbers 1-5 determine where they are on the ideological scale, with 1 being far left and 5 being far right.
INITIAL DRAFT: Draft order by random draw was B1, B3, B4, B2, B5, and R2, R4, R1, R5, R3. Top two politicians per political value (PV), plus any other interesting pols.
B1 – Samuel Adams, Elias Boudinot, Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen
B2 – John Hancock, Thomas Chittenden
B3 – George Clinton, John Dickinson
B4 – Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee
B5 – Thomas Jefferson, William Preston, Daniel Boone
R1 – George Wythe, Thomas McKean
R2 – Benjamin Franklin, Roger Sherman
R3 – John Adams, Caesar Rodney
R4 – George Washington, John Rutledge
R5 – Henry Laurens, Benjamin Lincoln, Benedict Arnold
Since this is the very beginning of the game, we are still English colonies, and most of the politicians in the game are pretty weak. This will change as the game goes on.
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 04:12 PM
For those that have played the latest alpha software, one of the things that should be changing is the rules with drafting outside of your faction's ideology. As of now, the software does not allow this, while the latest rules do, with a chance at losing your pick. My drafts are using the most updated rules, so they may differ from the current software.
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 05:26 PM
1772 ROOKIE DRAFT First picks in correct draft order:
B5 John Tyler Sr.
B2 Elbridge Gerry
B4 John Sevier
B3 Richard Bassett
B1 James Sullivan
R3 John Jay
R5 William Paterson
R1 Oliver Ellsworth
R4 Caleb Strong
R2 Benjamin Stoddert (2nd round)
Random Traits from draft: Jonathan Elmer (R4) gains Manipulative. John Lambert (B4) gains Domestic Warrior. John Hiester (B3) gains Overeager.
Random States from draft: David Bard (B5) gains MA, Alexander Scammell (R2) gains PA, John Jay (R3) gains CT.
You'll notice R2 didn't have a first round pick. The CPU made an attempt to draft outside of its ideology, and failed, so they lost the pick. The random states means that these politicians could potentially move to these other states at some point. We are now entering the first step where alt history is occuring.
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 05:53 PM
CAREER TRACK:
B1 James Sullivan (Admin), Arthur Fenner (Gov), Daniel Hiester (Back), Jonathan Ingersoll (Jud), John Barry (Mil), Melancton Smith (Leg)
B2 Elbridge Gerry (Mil), Paul Brigham (Gov), Peter Muhlenberg (Leg), Robert R Livingston (Back), Ebenezer Hazard (Adm), Aaron Kitchell (Priv), Cornelius Schoonmaker (Jud)
B3 Anthony Wayne (Back), Richard Bassett (Gov), Gunning Bedford Jr (Jud), John Patten (Mil), Henry Southard (Leg), Robert Brown (Priv). John Hiester failed to go on Admin track.
B4 John Sevier (Gov), Thomas Tudor Tucker (Admin), John Lambert (Priv), Thomas Heyward Jr (Mil), Michael Jenifer Stone (Leg), John Paul Jones (Back)
B5 John Tyler Sr (Back), Squire Boone (Jud), John Mathews (Gov), Francis Willis (Mil), David Bard (Leg), Thomas Burke (Priv)
R1 Oliver Ellsworth (Jud), Benjamin Rush (Adm), Egbert Benson (Back), Shearjashub Bourne (Leg), Casimir Pulaski (Mil), Jonathan Freeman (Priv)
R2 Benjamin Stoddert (Adm), Samuel Osgood (Leg), Richard Peters (Back), James Lloyd (Priv), Alexander Scammell (Mil)
R3 John Jay (Gov), Robert H Harrison (Jud), Timothy Pickering (Adm), Charles Biddle (Leg), Edward Hand (Priv), Richard Taylor (Mil)
R4 Caleb Strong (Leg), Thomas Mifflin (Gov), Joshua Clayton (Mil), John Houstoun (Adm), Jonathan Elmer (Priv), Samuel Nicholas (Back)
R5 William Paterson (Gov), Theodore Sedgwick (Leg), Charles Coatesworth Pinckney (Adm), Richard Butler (Priv), Pierce Butler (Mil), David Brearley (Jud)
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 06:08 PM
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
John Hiester (B3) fails to move from PA to NJ.
Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) moves from PA to DE.
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
Patrick Henry (B4) shifts from Trad to Cons.
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
Patrick Henry (B4) takes on Richard Henry Lee (B4) as protιgι. Lee gains +1 Gov (1), Army, RW Activist, Orator.
George Mason (B5) takes on Thomas Jefferson (B5) as protιgι. Jefferson gains RW Activist, Puritan.
Benjamin Franklin (R2) takes on Joseph Reed (R2) as protιgι. Reed gains +1 Leg (2), Technology, Civil Rights, Cosmopolitan.
Samuel Huntington (R3) takes on Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) as protιgι. Trumbull gains Agriculture, Provincial.
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 06:46 PM
FACTION PERSONALITIES
This is listed as ideologies; special interests; lobbies
R1 Prog/Lib/Mod; none; Public Education, Environmentalist, Globalists, Public Housing, Human Rights
R2 Mod; Theocrats; Private Education, Globalists, Law & Order
R3 Mod; Theocrats; Globalists, Labor Unions, Transportation
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Big Tech, Free Trade, Welfare
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, Theocrats; Big Corporations, Isolationists, Protectionist
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Science, Big Tech, Transportation, Welfare
B2 Mod; none; Military-Industrial
B3 Mod; Expansionists, Theocrats; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions, Military-Industrial
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, Nationalists; Big Agriculture
B5 Trad/RW Pop; Expansionists, RW Activists; Big Agriculture
Umbrella
01-13-2025, 07:12 PM
FACTION LEADERS AND FACTION NAMES SELECTED
Also includes any gains received from the faction leaders.
B1 George Taylor; loses Obscure. Known as Taylor Patriots.
B2 Richard Caswell; gains +1 Leg (2). Known as Caswell Patriots.
B3 - George Clinton; gains +1 Cmd (4). Known as Clinton Patriots.
B4 Richard Henry Lee; loses Obscure, gains Theocrat. Known as Lee Patriots.
B5 Thomas Jefferson; gains Leadership. Known as Sons of Liberty (RW).
R1 Thomas McKean; loses Obscure, gains Manipulative, Incoherent. Known as American Whigs (Lib).
R2 Benjamin Franklin; gains Leadership, +1 Cmd (3). Known as Moderate Patriots.
R3 John Adams; gains Leadership, +1 Cmd (5). Known as Adams Patriots.
R4 Benjamin Chew; gains Leadership, Kingmaker. Known as Chew Patriots.
R5 William Franklin; loses Obscure, gains Nationalists, +1 Gov (3). Known as Conservative Patriots.
Umbrella
01-14-2025, 09:03 AM
ERA EVENTS
Gaspee Affair: A group of Rhode Islanders, led by Abraham Whipple and John Brown, burn down a grounded British customs ship that had been enforcing the Navigation Act. These acts and taxation are unjust but such violence will only inflame a response. I fear a military response. (-50 points to B1, B2, B3, B4, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5)
Benjamin Franklin is Recognized as the Most Famous American: Benjamin Franklin has long been a leading intellectual and has spent almost as much time in London and Paris as he has in Philadelphia, making Franklin the most recognized name in America. His inventions, scientific experiments, and publications have made his name immortal. (Benjamin Franklin (R2) gains Celebrity)
Committees of Correspondence: Samuel Adams, Joseph Warren, and Mercy Otis Warren of Massachusetts set up a Committee of Correspondence in response to the Gaspee Affair to coordinate colonial opposition to the British Parliament and advocate colonial rights. Similar committees are expected to spring up elsewhere. We can only hope that such committees will be constructive and harmonizing. (+50 points to B5)
Tea Act: In an effort to help the British East India Company, British Parliament has enacted a Tea Act, which is certainly going to hurt the port-city merchants in the American Colonies. Furthermore, those desiring representation in Parliament see this as yet another list of unjust taxation. This does not bode well. Parliament must be tone deaf! Taxation on Sugar, Stamps, and now tea? We don't even get a voice to object or accept this taxation! (-100 points to R4, R5)
Boston Tea Party: The Sons of Liberty of Massachusetts, led by Samuel Adams, board a merchant ship and dump the entire cargo of British East India tea into Boston harbor. Such marvelous boldness! It's difficult to know if this action by the Sons of Liberty will have been reckless or righteous. We can expect consequences by His Majesty King George III and his Parliament. (Samuel Adams (B1) gains Celebrity. +50 points to B5. -50 points to B1, B2, B3, B4, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5)
Because of these actions, the first Continental Congress will be formed.
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2025, 06:48 AM
I guess I'll be keeping an eye on developments for John Sevier.
I correctly recognized him as the namesake of Sevierville, TN, which is named (along with numerous other buildings, roads, school and such) for the multi-term Governor and a state founding father.
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 03:19 PM
I guess I'll be keeping an eye on developments for John Sevier.
I correctly recognized him as the namesake of Sevierville, TN, which is named (along with numerous other buildings, roads, school and such) for the multi-term Governor and a state founding father.
Sevier is a strong candidate. He's already B4's 5th strongest pol as a rookie. The CPU put him on the governing track, so he's looking to be a governor someday.
FIRST CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
Congressmembers are selected by the faction(s) with the most pols in that state. I put that faction next to the state name.
CT (R3) Samuel Huntington (R3), Benjamin Huntington (R3), Andrew Adams (R4).
DE (R4/B3) Caesar Rodney (R3), Thomas McKean (R1).
GA (R1/B4) Lyman Hall (R1), Edward Telfair (B4).
MA (B1) John Adams (R3), Samuel Adams (B1), John Hancock (B2), Nathaniel Gorham (R4).
MD (R2) Benjamin Stoddert (R2, comes off of Admin track after 0 years), Thomas Johnson (R2), Robert H Harrison (R3, comes off Judicial track after 0 years), Robert Goldsborough (R2).
NC (B2/B3) Richard Caswell (B2), Timothy Bloodworth (B4), Samuel Ashe (B2).
NH (R2) John Langdon (R2), John Sullivan (R2).
NJ (R4/R5) Richard Stockton (R4), Philemon Dickinson (R4), William Franklin (R5).
NY (R5) Lewis Morris (R5), Philip Schuyler (R5), James Duane (R5).
PA (R2) Thomas Scott (R2), Benjamin Franklin (R2), James Wilson (R2), Joseph Reed (R2).
RI (R1/R3) Abraham Whipple (R4), Thomas Tillinghast (R3).
SC (R5) Thomas Bee (R5), Henry Middleton (R5), Henry Laurens (R5).
VA (B4/B5) James Madison Sr (B5), Patrick Henry (B4), William Grayson (B4), Charles Scott (B4).
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 04:03 PM
1772-1774 END OF TERM
Blue "leads" red -300 to -700. Faction scores:
B1: -100
B2: -100
B3: -100
B4: -100
B5: 100
R1: -100
R2: -100
R3: -100
R4: -200
R5: -200
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. Benjamin Franklin (R2, Faction Leader, CC Member)
2. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Faction Leader)
3. George Washington (R4)
4. John Adams (R3, Faction Leader, CC Member)
5. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader)
6. Richard Henry Lee (B4, Faction Leader)
T7. Samuel Adams (B1, CC Member)
T7. John Jay (R3, Governing track)
9. Roger Sherman (R2)
T10. John Hancock (B2, CC Member)
T10. James Wilson (R2, CC Member)
T10. Henry Laurens (R5, CC Member)
As we enter the next term, tensions are high between the colonies and the crown. How will Britain respond to the Boston Tea Party? What will the Continental Congress decide?
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 05:15 PM
1774-1776
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Peter Muhlenberg (B2) fails to move from PA to SC.
John Heister (B3) moves from PA to CT.
POLITICIAN CONVERSION
George Taylor (B1) fails to convert John Hancock (B2).
Richard Henry Lee (B4) fails to convert John Hancock (B2).
George Clinton (B3) fails to convert John Hancock (B2). Hancock gains Integrity and loses Pliable.
John Adams (R3) fails to convert Charles Coatesworth Pinckney (R5). Pinckey gains Integrity.
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
Benjamin Franklin (R2) takes on Thomas Scott (R2) as protιgι. Scott gains +1 Adm (1), Technology, Civil Rights, Geostrategist.
Benjamin Chew (R4) takes on Thomas Mifflin (R4) as protιgι. Mifflin gains +1 Jud (1), Justice, Pacifist, Egghead.
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 05:30 PM
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 Prog/Lib/Mod; none; Public Education, Environmentalist, Globalists, Public Housing, Human Rights
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Globalists, Law & Order, Big Tech (lost Theocrats, gained Big Tech)
R3 Mod; none; Globalists, Labor Unions, Transportation (lost Theocrats)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Free Trade, Welfare (lost Big Tech)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists; Big Corporations, Isolationists, Protectionist (lost Theocrats)
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Science, Transportation, Welfare (lost Big Tech)
B2 Mod; none; Military-Industrial
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions, Military-Industrial (lost Theocrats)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, Nationalists; Big Agriculture
B5 Trad/RW Pop; Expansionists, RW Activists; Big Agriculture
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 06:39 PM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
R2 chooses Benjamin Franklin (R2) as Continental Congress President. +50 points to R2.
Henry Middleton (R5) named Economic Chair. Gains Leadership, Economics. +50 points to R5.
Thomas McKean (R1) named Judicial Chair. + 50 points to R1.
Caesar Rodney (R3) named Domestic Chair. Gains Leadership, Energy. +50 points to R3.
John Langdon (R2) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Foreign Affairs. +50 points to R2.
Domestic committee members and gains: John Hancock (B2, Environment), Edward Telfair (B4, Technology), Timothy Bloodworth (B4, Energy), Benjamin Stoddard (R2, +1 Leg (1), Education), Thomas Scott (R2, Energy), Benjamin Huntington (R3, Media), Andrew Adams (R4,Agriculture), Abraham Whipple (R4, Healthcare), Thomas Bee (R5, Energy)
Economic committee members and gains: Patrick Henry (B4, Labor), William Grayson (B4, Business), Charles Scott (B4, Economics), James Madison Sr (B5, Labor), James Wilson (R2, Transportation), Samuel Huntington (R3, Welfare), Robert H Harrison (R3, Economics), James Duane (R5, Transportation)
Foreign/Military committee members and gains: Samuel Ashe (B2, Foreign Affairs), Thomas Johnson (R2, Army), Joseph Reed (R2), Thomas Tillinghast (R3, Army), Nathaniel Gorham (R4, Naval), Philemon Dickinson (R4, Naval), Lewis Morris (R5, Army), Henry Laurens (R5)
Judicial committee members and gains: Samuel Adams (B1, Justice), Richard Caswell (B2), Lyman Hall (R1, Justice), Robert Goldsborough (R2), John Sullivan (R2), John Adams (R3), Richard Stockton (R4), William Franklin (R5), Philip Schuyler (R5)
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 07:11 PM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps George Taylor; gains Egghead.
B2 Keeps Richard Caswell; loses Obscure, gains +1 Leg (3).
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; loses Obscure, gains +1 Gov (5), Harmonious.
B4 Keeps Richard Henry Lee; gains Nationalist, Everyman.
B5 Keeps Thomas Jefferson; loses Obscure, gains Unlikable.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; gains Leadership
R2 Keeps Benjamin Franklin; gains Pliable.
R3 Keeps John Adams; gains +1 Gov (1).
R4 Keeps Benjamin Chew; no gains.
R5 Keeps William Franklin; gains +1 Gov (4), +1 Adm (1).
Umbrella
01-16-2025, 07:26 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
It appears David Bard is developing into quite a rigid politician. Bard takes on every duty and is frequently looking over the shoulders of everyone. While this is helpful in the event of incompetent subordinates, this is certainly going to aggravate the more competent underlings. (David Bard (B5) gains Micromanager).
A national celebrity has received some attention for publicly discussing a hypothetical presidential platform to the public. (Benjamin Franklin (R2) gains +1 Cmd (4)).
Umbrella
01-17-2025, 11:05 AM
ERA EVENTS
Declaration of Resolves: Members of the Continental Congress are increasingly supporting a Declaration of Resolves to object to the Intolerable Acts and to outline a Colonial Bill of Rights. Benjamin Franklin (R2) response: Let us state our grievances to the world and our intention to boycott British goods if the Intolerable Acts are not repealed. Delegates confirm the choice. +200 points to R5, +100 points to B1, B4. Relations with UK would drop, but already at lowest level.
Common Sense: An anonymous pamphlet titled Common Sense is advocating American Independence from Great Britain. We know the author to be Thomas Paine, currently of Philadelphia. Within days, the pamphlet has been read in taverns and meeting places throughout the colonies! (Thomas Paine (B1) loses Obscure and gains Celebrity). Benjamin Franklin (R2) response: This glorious pamphlet is catching on like wildfire! "Why does an island rule a continent" indeed! Encourage publication of Mr. Paine's Common Sense. Delegates confirm the choice. +50 points to B1, B4, R5.
Phillis Wheatley Dies: The first published poet of African descent has died. Wheatley was born in West Africa, sold into slavery, but she was eventually emancipated. Wheatley's writing was praised by several leading Americans. [Historically, George Washington was among many of her notable fans.] +50 points to R1, R2, R4.
Watts Steam Engine: Scottish-inventor James Watt's Steam Engine has become a central piece to the Industrial Revolution, which is likely to spread to our shores.
First Public Museum Opened in Philadelphia: Charles Willson Peale opened his public museum to showcase specimen of natural history, many of which involved taxidermy that he conducted himself. [Historically, the Founding Fathers were frequent visitors to his museum, which was later called the Peale Museum in his honor. Ultimately, it was closed and the exhibits sold to circus master PT Barnum.] +50 points to B1.
Arrival of Tadeusz Kosciuszko of Poland: A new European military officer arrives to help out the Revolutionary cause. Tadeusz Kosciuszko of Poland should enhance our military. (Tadeusz Kosciuszko joins the game on B3s faction).
Umbrella
01-17-2025, 12:14 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non-crisis spending bills. Rev/Budge, Econ Stab, Mil Prep, Dom Stab all in crisis.
Charles Scott (B4) proposes Lees Resolution (Formally construct a resolution to declare independence from Great Britain. Historically, Samuel Adams, John Adams, and Richard Henry Lee were the main movers behind this. Lee was tasked with the proposal of introducing the resolution, while John Adams wrote the preamble to the resolution. This resolution led to the creation of the Declaration of Independence.) (Dom) F/M. This will now be known as Scotts Resolution.
Henry Middleton (R5) proposes Boycott British Goods (This is a boycott of British goods. Historically, this was imposed during the Rev War period.) (Rev/Budg, Econ, Dom) F/M.
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Foreign/Military committee: Scotts Resolution passes 9-0. Boycott British Goods fails 4-5.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING
Scotts Resolution passes 13-0 (voting done by states). +100 points to B4, R1, R5. +1 to Domestic Stability (5, still in crisis). For having a crisis bill pass, Charles Scott (B4) gains +1 Cmd (1).
Benjamin Franklin (R2) picks John Adams (R3) to write the Declaration of Independence. Delegates approve unanimously. Adams gains Celebrity and loses Obscure. +250 points to B4, R5. (Note: All current members of CC are considered signers of Declaration of Independence). State Governors are now active. +1 to Domestic Stability (6, crisis over).
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Cons/Trad go +1 Red for most points gained by dominant party. Mod goes -3 Red for least points from dominant party. Cons/Trad go +1 Red for most points on opposition party. Mod goes +6 Blue and Trad/RW Pop goes +2 blue for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Mod +9 Blue (Max Blue), Cons +2 Red (Decent Red), RW Pop +2 Blue (Decent Blue).
Interestingly, this is going a little bit ahistorical right now. Britain hasn't responded...yet. Also, boycotting British goods shockingly didn't make it out of committee. This is because the Foreign/Military committee is dominated by representatives from states where the boycotts would have hurt them. If it got out of committee, I think it would have passed the congress fairly easily. Moderates are super pissed off at the federalists (red) right now, which could have major implications on the upcoming governor elections. This could result in an earlier shift to the blue party than happened in real life. However, there could still be violence coming, which would change things all over the place.
Umbrella
01-17-2025, 03:23 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: R3 nominates Jonathan Trumbull Jr. (R3). B3 nominates Thomas Chittenden (B2). Trumbull wins election. +100 points to R3.
DE: R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr (R4). B3 nominates Richard Bassett (B3, removed from Governing track after 0 years). Bassett wins election. +100 points to B3.
GA: R1 nominates Lyman Hall (R1). B4 nominates Edward Telfair (B4). Telfair wins election. +100 points to B4. Telfair gains +1 Gov (4), +1 Cmd (2).
MA: R2 nominates William Heath (R2). B1 nominates Samuel Adams (B1). Adams wins election. +100 points to B1.
MD: R2 nominates Thomas Johnson (R2). No eligible blue candidates, so Johnson wins. +100 points to R2.
NC: R1 nominates Alexander Martin (R5). B2 nominates Richard Caswell (B2). Caswell wins. +100 points to B2.
NH: R2 nominates John Langdon (R2). B2 nominates Meshech Weare (B2). Weare wins. +100 points to B2. Langdon gets -1 in elections for 6 years.
NJ: R5 nominates William Franklin (R5). B4 nominates John Hart (B4). Hart wins. +100 points to B4. Franklin gains -1 in elections for 6 years.
NY: R5 nominates James Duane (R5). B2 nominates George Clinton (B3). Clinton wins. +100 points to B3. Duane gets -1 in elections for 6 years. Clinton gains +1 Cmd (5).
PA: R2 nominates Benjamin Franklin (R2). B2 nominates John Dickinson (B3). Dickinson wins. +100 points to B3.
RI: R1 nominates William Bradford (R1). B3 nominates John Collins (B3). Collins wins. +100 points to B3. Bradford receives -1 to elections for 6 years.
SC: R5 nominates Thomas Bee (R5). B3 nominates Christopher Gadsden (B3). Gadsden wins. +100 points to B3.
VA: R5 nominates Arthur St. Clair (R5). B4 nominates Patrick Henry (B4). St. Clair wins. +100 points to R5.
This was a blue wave. The moderates swung the elections to blue.
Umbrella
01-17-2025, 05:10 PM
2ND CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
The delegates are chosen by the governors.
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects Samuel Huntington (R3), Benjamin Huntington (R3), and Andrew Adams (R4).
DE: Richard Bassett (B3) selects John Patten (B3, removed from Military track after 0 years) and Thomas Collins (R2).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects John A Treutlen (B1) and Lachlan McIntosh (B4)
MA: Samuel Adams (B1) selects Benjamin Lincoln (R5), Jonathan Grout (B1), Samuel Allyne Otis (B2), and John Hancock (B2).
MD: Thomas Johnston (R2) selects William Smallwood (R3), John Hanson (B2), Thomas Stone (B5), and William Smith (B3).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects Hugh Williamson (B1), Cornelius Harnett (B3), and John Penn (B2).
NH : Meshech Weare (B2) selects Josiah Bartlett (B4) and John Langdon (R2).
NJ: John Hart (B4) selects Aaron Kitchell (B2, removed from Private track after 0 years), Francis Hopkinson (R1), and Lambert Cadwalader (B5).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects James Clinton (B2), Philip Livingston (B5), and William Montgomery (B1).
PA: John Dickinson (B3) selects Robert Morris (R5), Thomas Paine (B1), John Smilie (B1), and Robert Brown (B3, removed from Private track after 0 years).
RI: John Collins (B3) selects Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) and William Ellery (B3).
SC: Christopher Gadsden (B3) selects John Rutledge (R4), Thomas Sumter (B5), and Benjamin Guerard (B3).
VA: Arthur St. Clair (R5) selects Henry Lee II (R5), Charles Scott (B4), Edmund Pendleton (R2), and George Washington (R4).
Umbrella
01-17-2025, 05:36 PM
1774-1776 END OF TERM
Blue leads red 1400 to 650. Faction scores in order. This will determine the draft order for the upcoming rookie draft (ties will be broken by random draw):
B4: 600
R5: 550
B3: 400
B1: 200
B2: 100
B5: 100
R1: 100
R2: 100
R3: 50
R4: -150
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. Benjamin Franklin (R2, Faction Leader) - Was #1 previously
2. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, Governor of NY) - Was #5
3. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Faction Leader) - Was #2
4. George Washington (R4, CC Member) - Was #3
5. John Adams (R3, Faction Leader) - Was #4
6. Samuel Adams (B1, Governor of MA) - Was #T7
7. Edward Telfair (B4, Governor of GA) - Was unranked
8. Richard Henry Lee (B4, Faction Leader) - Was #6
9. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, Governor of CT) - Was unranked
10. John Dickinson (B3, Governor of PA) - Was unranked
Dropped out - John Jay, Roger Sherman, John Hancock, James Wilson, Henry Laurens
Newly elected governors have more political power, and therefore are moving up in political value.
Going into the next term, we see that the Anti-Federalists (blue) have taken over. They control 10 of the 13 governor positions, and 26 of the 39 Continental Congress seats. Britain still hasn't responded to the colonies declaring independence, and the rest of the world hasn't acknowledged this uprising as a valid entity. James Madison is the headliner of the upcoming draft as a blue candidate. The top red candidate is Thomas Pinckney in a pretty weak draft for the red team.
JonInMiddleGA
01-17-2025, 05:52 PM
Random fun fact: all of the GA figures mentioned thus far have counties named for them.
(We have 159 counties, so that's not exactly an enormous bar to clear lol)
Umbrella
01-20-2025, 12:43 PM
1776-78
1776 DRAFT
Top picks and draft order:
R4 Joseph Habersham; gains +1 Jud (1)
R3 Thomas Pinckney; gains +1 Leg (2)
R1 Luther Martin
B5 William Blount
R2 Frederick Muhlenberg
B2 James Garrard (2nd round)
B1 James Madison
B3 Isaac Shelby
R5 Jared Ingersoll
B4 Christopher Greenup
Pierpoint Edwards (B4) gains Predictable, Matthew Lyon (B5) gains Numberfudger, William Cocke (B5) gains Jurisprudence.
James Iredell (R4) gains DE, Thomas Pinckney (R3) gains MA, Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) gains VA as alternate states.
With only B3 and B4 able to draft James Madison without penalty due to ideology, I was wondering if any of the other factions would make the attempt. B2 tried unsuccessfully, but B1 was able to pull it off.
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01-20-2025, 01:51 PM
CAREER TRACKS
B1 James Midson to Legis, James Mitchell Varnum to Judicial, Peter Gansevoort to Admin, Jared Irwin to Governing, Walter Bowie to Private, John Smith to Backroom, Thomas Lynch Jr to Military.
B2 James Garrard to Military, Joseph Bradley Varnum to Backroom, Henry Dearborn to Admin, Robert Bowie to Governing, John Hathorn to Private, John Edwards to Legis, John E Colhoun to Judicial.
B3 Isaac Shelby to Governing, Peleg Arnold to Private, Levi Lincoln Sr to Admin, James Linn to Judicial, Daniel Smith to Legis, Gabriel Hiester to Backroom, Benjamin Taliaferro to Military.
B4 Christopher Greenup to Legis, John Baptista Ashe to Governing, Cyrus Griffin to Private, Joseph Calhoun to Military, Thomas Claiborne to Backroom, Pierpont Edwards to Judicial.
B5 William Blount to Governing, William Cocke to Legis, William Few to Judicial, Matthew Lyon to Private, Philip Van Cortlandt to Backroom, John Twiggs to Military, Philip Key failed to go on Admin.
R1 Henry Knox to Admin, Theophilus Parsons to Judicial, Josiah Parker to Legis, Alexander C Hanson Sr to Private, Luther Martin to Backroom, John E Van Alen to Governing.
R2 Frederick Muhlenberg to Legis, John Barclay to Judicial, Thomas Hartley to Private, Nicholas Biddle to Military.
R3 Thomas Pinckney to Legis, Samuel Tenney to Judicial, John Hoskins Stone to Military, Benjamin Williams to Private, Amasa Learned to Backroom, Benjamin Ogle to Governing.
R4 Joseph Habersham to Admin, Stephen Girard to Backroom, George Walton to Governing, James Iredell to Judicial, Peleg Wadsworth to Military, Leonard Gansevoort to Legis.
R5 Jared Ingersoll to Legis, John Laurance to Judicial, Benjamin Goodhue to Private, Edward Rutledge to Backroom, John Henry to Governing.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
John Jay (R3) moves from NY to CT.
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01-20-2025, 02:49 PM
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 James Madison fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable. Hugh Williamson fails to shift from Lib to Mod, gains flipflopper. Jonathan Grout fails to shift from Lib to Mod.
B2 James Garrard shifts from Lib to Mod, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Page shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable. Thomas Chittenden fails to shift from Lib to Mod, gains Flipflopper.
B3 Benjamin Taliaferro shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Ashe shifts from Cons to Mod. Alexander Gillon shifts from Cons to Mod. Anthony Wayne fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper. William Floyd shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable.
B4 William Grayson fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Thomas Claiborne shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper. Benjamin Harrison V fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B5 William Cocke shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper. William Few fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable. Thomas Sumter fails to shift from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable. Francis Willis shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Philip Van Cortlandt shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable. John Twiggs shifts from Cons to Mod, gains Pliable.
R1 Henry Marchant fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable. Upton Sheredine shifts from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. William Hooper fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper. Abraham Clark fails to shift from Mod to Cons.
R2 William Smallwood shifts from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Robert Goldsborough shifts from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable. William Williams fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
R3 Israel Putnam fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Esek Hopkins fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Jay fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable.
R4 George Washington fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper. Caleb Strong shifts from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable. Nathaniel Gorham fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable.
R5 Richard Butler shifts from Mod to Cons, gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Alexander Martin fails to shift from Trad to Cons, gains Pliable. Pierce Butler shifts from Trad to Cons. David Brearley fails to shift from Mod to Cons, gains Pliable.
This was a very interesting phase. The factions tried shifting quite a few powerful politicians, and many of them gained Pliable. This will open them up to be converted by the other factions in the next phase. The balance of power between the factions could be altered drastically if they can convert them.
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01-20-2025, 04:12 PM
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Moderate enthusiasm is maxed for Blue, so these politicians leave Red to join Blue:
Egbert Benson (R1) joins B1 faction.
Samuel Livermore (R2) joins B2 faction.
William Williams (R2) joins B1 faction.
Richard Caswell (B2) fails to convert Benjamin Harrison V (B4). Harrison gains Integrity.
George Taylor (B1) fails to convert Benjamin Harrison V (B4).
Richard Henry Lee (B4) fails to convert William Few (B5). Few gains Integrity.
John Adams (R3) fails to convert Charles Coatesworth Pinckney (R5).
Thomas McKean (R1) converts David Brearley (R5).
William Franklin (R5) fails to convert Frederick Muhlenberg (R2). Muhlenberg gains Disharmonious, loses Pliable.
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01-20-2025, 04:14 PM
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; none; Environmentalist, Public Housing, Human Rights (gained LW Pop, loses Public Education, Globalists)
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Big Oil & Gas, Globalists, Law & Order, Big Tech, Transportation (gained Big Oil & Gas, Transportation)
R3 Mod; none; Big Oil & Gas, Labor Unions, Transportation (gained Big Oil & Gas, loses Globalists)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Free Trade, Welfare
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist, Transportation (gained RW Activists, Big Oil & Gas, Transportation)
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Science, Transportation, Welfare
B2 Mod; none; Environmentalist (gained Environmentalist, lost Military-Industrial)
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions, Military-Industrial
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, Nationalists; Big Oil & Gas (loses Big Agriculture, gained Big Oil & Gas)
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions (gained Mod, Labor Unions, lost Trad, RW Pop, RW Activists)
Some big shakeups in the faction personalities. I'm guessing this will invalidate some of the current faction leaders, as they may not have the expertise or interests to match the new personalities.
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01-20-2025, 05:15 PM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
B2 chooses John Hanson (B2) as CC President. Hanson loses Obscure, gains +1 Leg (2). +50 points to B2.
William Smith (B3) named Domestic Chair. Smith gains +1 Cmd (1). 50 points to B3.
Josiah Bartlett (B4) remains Judicial Chair. 50 points to B4.
Jonathan Grout (B1) named Economic Chair. Gains +1 Cmd (1), Business. 50 points to B1.
Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Naval. 50 points to B2.
Domestic Committee and gains: John A Treutlen (B1), John Smilie (B1, Science), Samuel Allyne Otis (B2, Media), Cornelius Harnett (B3, Housing), Philip Livingston (B5, Housing), Thomas Sumter (B5, Technology), Thomas Collins (R2, Technology), John Langdon (R2, Healthcare), Andrew Adams (R4, Housing)
Economic Committee and gains: Hugh Williamson (B1), William Montgomery (B1, Welfare), James Clinton (B2, Economics), Thomas Stone (B5, Economics), Francis Hopkinson (R1, Transportation), Edmund Pendleton (R2, Trade), Benjamin Huntington (R3, Transportation), Benjamin Lincoln (R5, Labor), Robert Morris (R5, Transportation)
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: Thomas Paine (B1, Army), John Patten (B3, Army), Benjamin Guerard (B3, Naval), Lachlan McIntosh (B4), Lambert Cadwalader (B5, Foreign Affairs), William Smallwood (R2, Foreign Affairs), Samuel Huntington (R3, Foreign Affairs), John Rutledge (R4, Naval)
Judicial Committee and gains: John Hancock (B2, Justice), John Penn (B2), Aaron Kitchell (B2, Justice), Robert Brown (B3, Justice), William Ellery (B3), Charles Scott (B4, Justice), George Washington (R4, Justice), Henry Lee II (R5, Justice)
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01-20-2025, 05:56 PM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps George Taylor; gains Orator.
B2 Chooses John Hancock; gains Kingmaker. Known as Hancock Patriots.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; gains Manipulative.
B4 Keeps Richard Henry Lee; gains +1 Cmd (2).
B5 Chooses William Cocke (removed from Legis track after 0 years); gains Leadership. Known as Cocke Patriots.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; gains +1 Gov (4).
R2 Keeps Benjamin Franklin; no gains.
R3 Chooses Caesar Rodney; loses Obscure, gains +1 Cmd (1), Orator. Known as Rodney Patriots.
R4 Keeps Benjamin Chew; loses Obscure.
R5 Keeps William Franklin; no gains.
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01-20-2025, 07:15 PM
DEATH AND RETIREMENT
B1 Hugh Mercer dies in a deadly accident at age 50.
B2 Meshech Weare (Governor of New Hampshire) announces he is disillusioned with politics and will retire after his term (age 63).
B3 Alexander McDougall dies in a deadly accident at age 44.
B4 Benjamin Harrison V dies of plague at age 50. (Note: son William Henry Harrison is only 3. He almost didn't make the game).
B5 Thomas Burke (private track) dies of smallpox at age 29.
R1 John Bartram retires at 77 to become a University president.
R2 John Morton dies of smallpox at age 51.
R3 Jared Ingersoll Sr dies in a deadly accident at age 54.
R4 James Otis Jr dies of yellow fever at age 51.
R5 Edmund Trowbridge pressured out of politics and retires at 67.
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01-20-2025, 07:16 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
We're forecasting some excitement for Richard Henry Lee (B4) and Nathaniel Niles (B4) among the more devoutly Christian voters. They've been making rounds to every church in their respective states. (Lee and Niles get +1 in their next election).
We've been informed by Jeremiah Van Rennselaer's staff that Van Rennselaer (B4) has been given a worrying diagnosis. The specifics weren't given, but we can expect that it might impact the longevity of Van Rennselaer's political career. (Van Rennselaer gains Frail).
One of the leading governors is being eyed as presidential material. (Jonathan Trumbull Jr (CT, R3) gains +1 Cmd (1)).
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01-20-2025, 07:18 PM
ERA EVENTS
Articles of Confederation - Following our Declaration of Independence, delegates were selected to draft an Articles of Confederation to secure an organized union of our newly independent states. John Hansons response: This confederacy shall be henceforth known as "The United States of America," and this union shall be perpetual. Delegates confirm decision. (Congress can request funds from the states. No consecutive reelection for Continental Congress persons. Congress needs 2/3 of the states to pass a bill and unanimous support for amendments.) +250 points to B1, B3, B4, R4, R5.
Massachusetts Constitution: The state of Massachusetts has concluded a convention for a written Constitution. This is certainly novel. John Hansons response: This Constitution could be the model for our nation. Delegates confirm decision. +100 points to B1, B2, R5, +50 points to R5.
Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations: Scottish economist Adam Smith has released a groundbreaking on national economic productivity, labor, and free markets. The book is praised by most of our intellectuals. +100 points to R4, +50 points to R5.
Still no response from the British. Could we actually have a bloodless revolution?
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01-21-2025, 03:28 PM
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
Leading Industries: Agriculture (VA), Finance (PA), Manufacturing (MA, NH, PA, RI), Maritime (MA), Plantation (SC). +400 points to B3, +200 points to B1, +100 points to B2, R5.
CT Mathew Griswold (R3) passes Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. +100 points to B3, B5, R5. Fails to Improve burgeoning industry.
DE Richard Bassett (B3) fails to Improve burgeoning industry.
GA Edward Telfair (B4) passes Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. +100 points to B3, B5, R5.
MA Samuel Adams (B1) passes Abolish slavery. +350 points to B1. Quality of Life +1 (cant go higher than 4 without suffrage). Adams gains +1 Cmd (1).
MD Thomas Johnson (R2) passes Improve burgeoning industry. Maritime increases to 3, now tied as national leader.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) passes Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. +100 points to B3, B5, R5.
NH Meshech Weare (B2) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state.
NJ John Hart (B2) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state.
NY George Clinton (B3) passes Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. +100 points to B3, B5, R5.
PA John Dickinson (B3) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state.
RI John Collins (B3) passes Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. +100 points to B3, B5, R5.
SC Christopher Gadsen (B5) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state.
VA Arthur St. Clair (R5) ) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands in state.
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01-21-2025, 03:30 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non crisis spending bills. Rev/Budge, Econ Stab, Mil Prep all in crisis.
Edmund Pendleton (R2) proposes Create Minister to Spain (spend, foundation) F/M
Samuel Allyne Otis (B2) proposes Boycott British Goods (crisis) F/M
Lambart Cadwalader (B5) doesnt propose anything.
Robert Brown (B3) proposes Request Taxation from the States (crisis) Econ
Hugh Williamson (B1) proposes Adopt a National Flag (foundation) Dom
Aaron Kitchell (B2) doesnt propose anything.
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Foreign/Military committee: Create Minister to Spain passes 9-0. Boycott British Goods passes 8-1. Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) decides not to package the bills.
Economic committee: Request Taxation from the States dies in committee 5-5. -100 points to B1 for crisis bill failing in committee.
Domestic committee: Adopt a National Flag passes 10-0.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
Create Minister to Spain passes 11-1-1 (voting done by states). +50 points to R2.
Boycott British Goods passes 13-0. +500 points to R5, +250 points to B4, +100 points to B1, B2, -250 points to R4. Honest Govt +1 (8). Samuel Allyne Otis (B2) loses Obscure.
Adopt a National Flag passes 13-0. +50 points to B4, R5.
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Cons/Trad go +1 Blue for most points gained by dominant party. Mod goes -2 Blue for least points from dominant party. Cons/Trad go +1 Blue for most points on opposition party. Mod goes +2 red for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Mod +4 Red (discontent with both parties), Cons +2 Blue (discontent with both parties), Trad +2 Blue (Decent Blue).
Foreign/Military Chair Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) names Henry Laurens (R5) ambassador to Spain. +25 points to R5. +100 points to B2 for Laurens experience. Mod enthusiasm goes +1 red (Lean red).
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01-21-2025, 03:32 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: R3 nominates Jonathan Trumbull Jr. (R3, incumbent). B3 nominates Thomas Chittenden (B2). Trumbull wins election. +100 points to R3. Trumbull gains Environment.
DE: R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr (R4). B3 nominates Richard Bassett (B3, incumbent). Bedford wins election. +100 points to R4, -500 points to B3. Bassett gets -1 in elections for 6 years.
GA: R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch (R4). B5 nominates Edward Telfair (B4, incumbent). Telfair wins election. +100 points to B4. Telfair gains +1 Adm (1).
MA: R3 nominates John Adams (R3). B1 nominates Samuel Adams (B1, incumbent). John Adams wins election. +100 points to R3, -500 points to B1.
MD: R3 nominates Thomas Johnson (R2, incumbent). No eligible blue candidates, so Johnson wins. +100 points to R2. Johnson gains Business.
NC: R3 nominates Samuel Johnston (R3). B3 nominates Richard Caswell (B2, incumbent). Caswell wins. +100 points to B2. Caswell gains Business.
NH: R1 nominates John Sullivan (R2). B2 nominates Josiah Bartlett (B4). Bartlett wins. +100 points to B4. Bartlett gains Leadership.
NJ: R1 nominates William Franklin (R5). B3 nominates John Hart (B4, incumbent). Hart wins. +100 points to B4. Hart gains Foreign Affairs.
NY: R5 nominates James Duane (R5). B2 nominates George Clinton (B3, incumbent). Clinton wins. +100 points to B3. Clinton gains Energy.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed (R2). B2 nominates John Dickinson (B3, incumbent). Dickinson wins. +100 points to B3. Reed gains Transportation.
RI: R1 nominates Nicholas Cooke (R1). B3 nominates John Collins (B3, incumbent). Collins wins. +100 points to B3. Collins gains Transportation.
SC: R5 nominates Rawlins Lowndes (R5). B3 nominates Christopher Gadsden (B3 incumbent). Lowndes wins. +100 points to R5, -500 points to B3.
VA: R5 nominates Arthur St. Clair (R5, incumbent). B4 nominates Charles Scott (B4). St. Clair wins. +100 points to R5. St. Clair loses Obscure, gains Leadership, Naval
Red party picked up 3 states, but blue still leads 7-6.
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01-21-2025, 03:35 PM
3RD CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects Matthew Griswold (R4), William Samuel Johnson (R1), and Silas Deane (R3).
DE: Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) selects Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) and Nicholas Van Dyke (R1).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects James Armstrong (R2) and James Jones (R3).
MA: John Adams (R3) selects Francis Dana (R3), Richard Adams Jr (R3), Nathaniel Gorham (R4), and Tristram Dalton (R4).
MD: Thomas Johnston (R2) selects William Paca (R4), Benjamin Stoddert (R2), Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (R1), and Robert Goldsborough (R2).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects Timothy Bloodworth (B4), Samuel Ashe (B2), and William Cocke (B5).
NH : Josiah Bartlett (B4) selects John Sullivan (R2) and Abiel Foster (R1).
NJ: John Hart (B4) selects Elias Boudinot (B1), Abraham Clark (R1), and John Witherspoon (R3).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects William Floyd (B3), Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B4), and Richard Morris (R2).
PA: John Dickinson (B3) selects Samuel Maclay (B5), George Taylor (B1), George Bryan (B1), and William Maclay (B5).
RI: John Collins (B3) selects William Bradford (R1) and Thomas Tillinghast (R3).
SC: Rawlins Lowndes (R5) selects William Moultrie (R4), Henry Middleton (R5), and Alexander Gillon (B3).
VA: Arthur St. Clair (R5) selects James Wood (R4), George Wythe (R1), Arthur Lee (R1), and Daniel Morgan (R3).
With the passage of the Articles of Confederation, we can no longer have congress members serve consecutive terms. This tied many of the governors hands when choosing the delegates, and so they had to go outside of their party more frequently than in the past. Until more politicians get off of the career paths, I think we'll continue to have this problem.
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01-21-2025, 03:59 PM
1774-1776 END OF TERM
Blue leads red 4350 to 2875. Faction scores in order:
R5: 2325
B4: 1550
B3: 900
B5: 700
B2: 650
B1: 550
R3: 250
R2: 150
R1: 100
R4: 50
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. Benjamin Franklin (R2, Faction Leader) - No change
2. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, Governor of NY) - No change
3. John Adams (R3, Governor of MA) - Was #5
4. Thomas Jefferson (B5) - Was #3
5. George Washington (R4) - Was #4
6. Edward Telfair (B4, Governor of GA) - Was #7
7. Richard Henry Lee (B4, Faction Leader) - Was #8
8. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, Governor of CT) - Was #9
9. Samuel Adams (B1) - Was #6
10. Caesar Rodney (R3, Faction Leader) - Was unranked
Dropped out - John Dickinson (B3, Governor of PA)
Blue still leading comfortably, but red has control of the Congress. So far, independence has gone smoothly, but at some point I would expect the British to retaliate.
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01-21-2025, 06:08 PM
1778-1780
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER
Thomas Chittenden (B2), William Grayson (B4), William Cocke (B5), Francis Willis (B5), William Hooper (R1), Upton Sheredine (R1), and William Smallwood (R2) lose flip flopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Samuel Osgood (R2) moves from MA to NY, gains Carpetbagger. Richard Butler (R5) fails to move from PA to RI.
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01-21-2025, 06:09 PM
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 James Madison fails to shift from Cons to Mod. James Warren fails to shift from LW Pop to RW Pop; gains Flipflopper, Two Faced, Pliable. Samuel Adams fails to shift from LW Pop to RW Pop, gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B2 John E Colhoun shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B3 Isaac Shelby fails to shift from Cons to Trad. Andrew Pickens fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper. Anthony Wayne fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Pliable.
B4 Patrick Henry fails to shift from Cons to Trad. John Baptista Ashe fails to shift from Cons to Trad. Joseph Calhoun fails to shift from Cons to Trad.
B5 William Few shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper. Thomas Sumter fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper.
R1 George Wythe fails to shift from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Two Faced, Pliable. Lyman Hall fails to shift from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Arthur Lee fails to shift from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
R2 William Smallwood shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Robert Goldsborough shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
R3 John Witherspoon shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Two Faced. Francis Dana shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Daniel Carroll shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
R4 Peleg Wadsworth shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Charles Lee fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. James Wood shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable.
R5 Ralph Izard fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John McKinly shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. James Duane shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Pickering fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
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01-21-2025, 06:11 PM
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
George Taylor (B1) converts William Grayson (B4).
John Hancock (B2) fails to convert Anthony Wayne (B3).
William Cocke (B5) fails to convert Anthony Wayne (B3)
Richard Henry Lee (B4) fails to convert Anthony Wayne (B3). Wayne loses Pliable.
Thomas McKean (R1) converts James Duane (R5).
Caesar Rodney (R3) fails to convert Charles Coatesworth Pinckney (R5). Fails to convert Pierce Butler (R5). Butler loses Pliable.
William Franklin (R5) converts John Jay (R3).
John Jay leaving R3 for R5 is huge. He immediately became their highest PV politician.
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01-21-2025, 06:12 PM
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
John Hancock (B2) takes on Elgridge Gerry as protιgι. Gerry gains +1 Gov (3), Justice, Leadership.
Benjamin Chew (R4) takes on William Moore as protιgι. Moore gains Pacifist, Efficient.
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; none; Human Rights, Transportation (lost Environmentalist, Public Housing, gained Transportation)
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Big Oil & Gas, Globalists, Law & Order, Big Tech (lost Transportation)
R3 Mod; none; Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist, Labor Unions, Transportation (gained Environmentalist)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Free Trade (lost Welfare)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Law & Order, Protectionist (gained Wall Street, Law & Order, lost Transportation)
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Science, Welfare (lost Transportation)
B2 Mod; none; Environmentalist
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Big Oil & Gas, Labor Unions, Military-Industrial, Transportation (gained Big Oil & Gas, Transportation)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, Nationalists; Big Oil & Gas
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions
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01-23-2025, 12:13 PM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
R1 chooses Nathaniel Gorham (R4) as CC President. Gorham loses Obscure, gains +1 Leg (2). +50 points to R4.
William Bradford (R1) named Domestic Chair. Gains Leaderhsip, +1 Cmd (1), Energy. 50 points to R1.
Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) named Judicial Chair. Gains +1 Cmd (1), Justice. 50 points to R4.
William Paca (R4) named Economic Chair. Gains +1 Cmd (1), Business. 50 points to R4.
Henry Middleton (R5) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Foreign Affairs. 50 points to R5.
Domestic Committee and gains: Elias Boudinot (B1, Housing), Timothy Bloodworth (B4, Science), Nicholas Van Dyke (R1, Media), Abiel Foster (R1, Agriculture), Benjamin Stoddert (R2, Healthcare), Richard Morris (R2, Housing), Matthew Griswold (R4), Tristram Dalton (R4, Environment), William Moultrie (R4, +1 Leg (2)).
Economic Committee and gains: George Taylor (B1, Labor), Samuel Ashe (B2, Trade), William Samuel Johnson (R1, Welfare), Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (R1, Welfare), Abraham Clark (R1, Welfare), Robert Goldsborough (R2, Labor), Silas Deane (R3, Transportation), Francis Dana (R3, Business), Richard Adams Jr (R3, Labor).
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: George Bryan (B1, Army), William Floyd (B3, Naval), William Cocke (B5, Naval), William Maclay (B5, Foreign Affairs), Arthur Lee (R1), James Jones (R3), Thomas Tillinghast (R3, Naval), Daniel Morgan (R3, Naval).
Judicial Committee and gains: Alexander Gillon (B3, Justice), Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B4, Justice), Samuel Maclay (B5), George Wythe (R1), James Armstrong (R2, Justice), John Sullivan (R2), John Witherspoon (R3, Justice), James Wood (R4, Justice).
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01-23-2025, 04:24 PM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 – Keeps George Taylor; gains Leadership, Debater.
B2 – Keeps John Hancock; no gains.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; gains Leadership, Expansionist.
B4 – Keeps Richard Henry Lee; gains Passive.
B5 – Keeps William Cocke; loses Obscure, gains +1 Leg (2).
R1 – Keeps Thomas McKean; gains Crisis Manager.
R2 – Keeps Benjamin Franklin; gains +1 Cmd (5).
R3 – Keeps Caesar Rodney; no gains.
R4 – Chooses Matthew Griswold; gains Leadership. Known as the Griswold Patriots.
R5 – Keeps William Franklin; gains RW Activists, +1 Cmd (1), +1 Adm (2).
Lee gaining Passive is a problem, since a passive faction leader won't last long. Expect him to be replaced next term.
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01-23-2025, 04:28 PM
DEATH AND RETIREMENT
The rules have been changed since the last time I did this section. We'll see how it plays out.
B1 John A Treutlen (former CC Member from GA) dies of dysentery at age 44.
B2 Robert R Livingston (Backroom track) dies of tuberculosis at age 32.
B3 Johann de Kalb dies of malaria at age 57.
B4 Arthur Middleton dies of plague at age 36.
B5 Philip Van Cortlandt (Backroom track) dies of plague at age 29.
R1 Mathew Thornton retires at age 64 to allow a new generation to enter national politics. Joseph Hewes dies of typhoid at age 48.
R2 Thomas Wharton Jr dies in a deadly accident at age 43.
R3 Richard Adams Jr (current CC Member from MA) dies from unknown causes at age 52.
R4 Matthew Griswold (Faction leader, current CC member from CT) dies in a deadly accident at age 64.
R5 Rawlins Lowndes (current Governor of SC) dies in a deadly accident at age 57.
R4 chooses William Moore as new faction leader. They are now known as Moore Patriots. Thomas Bee (R5) named new Governor of SC. John Adams (R3) names William Heath (R2) as new CC member from MA. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) names Jonathan Trumbull Sr (R3) as new CC member from CT.
Griswold finally moves his way up to faction leader, then immediately dies. Three office holders died this time around, which seems like a lot to me. Also, we had two backroom track guys die, which makes me wonder what's going on behind closed doors.
Umbrella
01-23-2025, 04:47 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
Trade tension has been gradually escalating and has now resulted in a diplomatic war of words between diplomats of both nations. (French relations -1, down to 5).
A national celebrity has received some attention for publicly discussing a hypothetical presidential platform to the public. (Benjamin Franklin (R2) would receive +1 Cmd, but he is already maxed at 5).
Political leaders are taking notice of the administrative skills of another politician. (Thomas Scott (R2) gains +1 Adm (2)).
One politician is being mentioned as having all the traits to make a great governor. (John Sullivan (R2) gains +1 Gov (4)).
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Another politician in a powerful faction is being noted as a corrupting force. (Richard Butler (R5) gains Controversial).
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Another politician in a powerful faction is being noted as a corrupting force. (Cyrus Griffin (B4) gains Controversial).
The corruption event actually fired twice, which only has a 1% chance of happening. Losing relations with the French is bad, especially if we need their help if the British decide to get aggressive.
Umbrella
01-23-2025, 05:31 PM
ERA EVENTS
Lexington and Concord: British troops have been miraculously repulsed by volunteer American colonists known as "minutemen." If not for being alerted by the daring rides of Paul Revere, William Dawes, and Samuel Prescott, our troops might have been caught off guard. There is no doubt the British Regulars will be tougher next time. We might need to consider sending troops from other colonies to aid our friends in Massachusetts. Nathaniel Gorham (R4) response: We must come to the aid of our sister colony Massachusetts. Delegates approved. (Continental Army proposal worth double pts). +500 points to R5. +250 points to B1, B3, B4, R2. The Revolutionary War begins!
Proprietor of Pennsylvania Sides with the British: Thomas Penn, proprietor of Pennsylvania, surprises no one as he declares his support for the Crown. He has lived in England for quite some time. -50 points to B4, R5.
Dunmore's Proclamation: The Earl of Dunmore, Royal Governor of Virginia has proclaimed martial law and announced freedom for any slave that joins the royal army. Other colonies led by royal governors in the slave states may follow suit. Nathaniel Gorham (R4) response: We are united in a common war against the British. we should unite with the slave states in encouraging free states to execute runaway slaves. Delegates approve (PA abstains). +150 points to R5, +100 points to B4, -50 points to B1.
Prohibitory Act: The British Parliament has cut off all trade between the British Isles and the American Colonies. So, this is economic warfare. Rev/Budg -1 (1). Nathaniel Gorham (R4) response: We have lost protection of the King. Very well, we shall protect ourselves. -100 points to R5, -50 points to R4.
Restraining Acts: Parliament has now passed several acts restraining trade first in Massachusetts, and then to five more colonies. Nathaniel Gorham (R4) response: We expected no less from Parliament. -150 points to R5, -50 points to B4, R4.
American Spy Nathan Hale Escapes British Captors: One of our spies, Nathan Hale, managed to elude his captors. (Nathan Hale will be eligible to be drafted in 1780 draft.)
Handel's Messiah Performed: A performance of Handel's Messiah reaches our shores. While we are at odds with Great Britain, it is hard to dislike their taste in music.
Goethe Becomes German Literature: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, with the publications of Faust and Sorrows of Young Werther, is becoming to the German language what Shakespeare was to the English language. Goethe also has a hand in science, politics, philosophy, natural history, etc. He masters everything!
Well, it took a while, but Britain finally responded, and they did with a vengeance. Militarily and Economically, we are on the ropes. We did get an ahistorical event with Nathan Hale surviving. Now it's time to see what our politicians can do in the face of real troubles.
Umbrella
01-23-2025, 06:36 PM
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
Leading Industries: Agriculture (VA), Finance (PA), Manufacturing (MA, NH, PA, RI), Maritime (MA, MD), Plantation (SC). 300 points to B3; 200 points to R3, R5; 100 points to B4.
CT Jonathon Trumbull Jr (R3) Encourages Privateering and Blockade Running. No change. Passes Improve a Burgeoning Industry. Maritime goes to 3 (tied for lead).
DE Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) passes Raise taxes. No change.
GA Edward Telfair (B4) Encourages Privateering and Blockade Running. Rev/Budget +1 (2). Maritime increases to 1. Telfair gains +1 Cmd (3) and +1 Gov (5).
MA John Adams (R3) fails to Encourage Privateering and Blockade Running.
MD Thomas Johnson (R2) Encourages Privateering and Blockade Running. No change.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) fails to Encourage Fight for Liberty.
NH Josiah Bartlett (B4) Encourages settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. 100 points to B3, B5, R5. Increases Agriculture to 2 (ties for lead).
NJ John Hart (B4) fails to Encourage Privateering and Blockade Running.
NY George Clinton (B3) Encourages settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. 100 points to B3, B5, R5.
PA John Dickinson (B3) fails to Encourages settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. Fails to Encourage Privateering and Blockade Running.
RI John Collins (B3) Encourages Privateering and Blockade Running. No change.
SC Thomas Bee (R5) fails to Punish Tories in the state by confiscating properties.
VA Arthur St. Clair (R5) Encourages settlement on remaining Native American lands in state. 100 points to B3, B5, R5.
All in all, a pretty successful round. The Revenue/Budget meter improved from the worst level, and a few state industries were improved. Edward Telfair knocked it out of the park, getting the absolute maximum gains he could. The chances of him getting all those improvements were 0.05%!
korme
01-24-2025, 07:02 AM
This looks interesting, and I'm tempted to buy at the modest price of $25. Thanks for writing this up.
Umbrella
01-24-2025, 12:33 PM
This looks interesting, and I'm tempted to buy at the modest price of $25. Thanks for writing this up.
The computer game is still a LONG ways away from being playable, just FYI.
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non crisis spending bills. Rev/Budge, Econ Stab, Mil Prep all in crisis.
Henry Middleton (R5) proposes Create Department of Treasury (spend, foundation) Econ
Thomas Fitzsimons(R4) proposes Establish Continental Army (spend, crisis) F/M
Silas Deane (R3) proposes Create Minister to France (spend, foundation) F/M
William Floyd (B3) proposes Establish Continental Navy (spend, crisis) F/M
Thomas Tillinghast (R3) proposes Authorize Privateers to Fight British Navy (crisis) F/M
Alexander Gillon (B3) proposes Establish Bank of North America as a Temporary Central Bank (spend, crisis) Econ
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Economic committee: Create Dept of Treasury passes 10-0. Establish Bank of North America as a Temporary Central Bank passes 10-0. William Paca (R4) packages all bills together, called C.C. Economic Act of 1779.
Foreign/Military committee: Establish Continental Army passes 9-0. Create Minister to France passes 7-2. Establish Continental Navy passes 9-0. Authorize Privateers to Fight British Navy passes 9-0. Henry Middleton (R5) does not package bills.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
C.C. Economic Act of 1779 passes 13-0. +400 points to B3, R4, R5; +200 points to B1, B2, B4, B5, R1, R2, R3.
Establish Continental Army passes 13-0. +500 points to B3, B4, R5. Military Prep +1 (3).
Create Minister to France passes 12-1 (NC was vote against). +50 points to R2.
Establish Continental Navy passes 13-0. +600 points to R3, +300 points to R2, +100 points to B3.
Authorize Privateers to Fight British Navy passes 13-0. +600 points to R3, +300 points to R2, +50 points to B3, B4. Rev/Budg -1 (1).
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Mod go +1 Red for most points gained by dominant party. LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod goes -1 Red for least points from dominant party. Mod go +1 Red for most points on opposition party. Mod goes +6 Blue for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Mod +5 Blue (Max Blue), LW Pop +1 Blue (lean Blue), Prog +1 Blue (lean Blue), Lib +1 Blue (lean Blue).
Economic Chair William Paca (R4) names Benjamin Franklin (R2) as Secretary of Treasury. Because he is controversial, he needs to be confirmed by the Continental Congress. Congress votes 10-1-2, so Franklin is confirmed. +500 points to R2.
Foreign/Military Chair Henry Middleton (R5) names Robert Morris (R5) Ambassador to France. +75 points to R5.
Foreign/Military Chair Henry Middleton (R5) names George Washington (R4) Senior General. Esek Hopkins (R3) is named Senior Admiral. Nathaniel Greene (R3), Richard Montgomery (B5), Benjamin Lincoln (R5), Artemis Ward (R2), and Israel Putnam (R3) are named Generals. Benedict Arnold (R5), John Barry (B1, removed from Military track after 4 years; no gains), and John Paul Jones (B4, comes off the Backroom track after 4 years; gains +1 Adm (1), Business) are named Admirals. Since Benedict Arnold is controversial, he needs to be confirmed by the Continental Congress. Congress votes 8-3-2, so Arnold is confirmed. +100 points to R3, +50 points to R4, R5, +25 points to B1, B4, B5, R2. Arnold gains +1 Mil (5).
B1 (Welfare lobby) is upset that they didnt get Secretary of Treasury. Moderates go -1 Red (already max Blue).
Whew, a lot going on in this phase. Next up...WAR!!
Umbrella
01-24-2025, 01:37 PM
MILITARY ACTION
Naval Battle of Nassau:
Difficult Battle: -25%
Planning: 6%
Officer: John Barry (B1), 30%
Military Prep: 10%
Era Military Benchmarks: 10%
Chance of Success: 31% - DEFEAT!
John Barry (B1) was killed during the battle.
Ground Battle of Brooklyn:
Moderate Battle: -10%
Planning: 8%
Officer: Israel Putnam (R3), 20%
Military Prep: 10%
Era Military Benchmarks: 10%
Chance of Success: 38% - DEFEAT!
Israel Putnam loses 1 Mil (2). -100 points to R4.
End of War phase. War score is -3. War will continue next phase. George Washington loses 1 Mil (3), and gains Incompetent. Esek Hopkins loses 1 Mil (2) and gains Incompetent. Both are immediately fired from their positions. Artemis Ward (R2) promoted to Senior General, gains 1 Mil (4). Horatio Gates (B2) named General, gains +1 Mil (4). Benedict Arnold (R5) promoted to Senior Admiral, +1 Cmd (1). Philemon Dickenson (R4) named Admiral. +50 points to R2, R5. +25 points to B2, R4.
That was pretty horrible. We've lost our best military leader due to becoming incompetent, our Senior Admiral was KIA, and now our best military person is Benedict Arnold. What could possibly go wrong? Plus, he's an admiral, and the ground war is where we need to most help. We really need to hope that France will intervene, or this game could end quickly.
Umbrella
01-27-2025, 12:40 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: R3 nominates Jonathan Trumbull Jr. (R3, incumbent). B3 nominates Thomas Chittenden (B2). Trumbull wins election. +100 points to R3. Trumbull gains Healthcare.
DE: R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr (R4, incumbent). B3 nominates Richard Bassett (B3). Bassett wins election. +100 points to B3, -500 points to R4. Bassett gains Healthcare.
GA: R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch (R4). B5 nominates Edward Telfair (B4, incumbent). Telfair wins election. +100 points to B4.
MA: R4 nominates John Adams (R3, incumbent). B1 nominates Samuel Adams (B1). John Adams wins election. +100 points to R3. John Adams gains Economics. Samuel Adams gains -1 in elections for 6 years.
MD: R3 nominates Thomas Johnson (R2, incumbent). No eligible blue candidates, so Johnson wins. +100 points to R2. Johnson gains +1 Adm (1), Leadership.
NC: R3 nominates Samuel Johnston (R3). B3 nominates Richard Caswell (B2, incumbent). Caswell wins. +100 points to B2. Caswell gains Leadership, Energy.
NH: R2 nominates John Sullivan (R2). B4 nominates Josiah Bartlett (B4, incumbent). Bartlett wins. +100 points to B4. Bartlett gains Media. Sullivan gains -1 in elections for 6 years.
NJ: R1 nominates William Franklin (R5). B3 nominates John Hart (B4, incumbent). Hart wins. +100 points to B4. Hart gains Transportation.
NY: R5 nominates James Duane (R1). B2 nominates George Clinton (B3, incumbent). Clinton wins. +100 points to B3. Clinton gains Media.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed (R2). B2 nominates John Dickinson (B3, incumbent). Dickinson wins. +100 points to B3.
RI: R1 nominates William Bradford (R1). B3 nominates John Collins (B3, incumbent). Collins wins. +100 points to B3. Collins gains +1 Adm (1), Justice.
SC: R5 nominates Thomas Bee (R5, incumbent). B3 nominates Alexander Gillon (B3). Bee wins. +100 points to R5.
VA: R5 nominates Arthur St. Clair (R5, incumbent). B4 nominates Charles Scott (B4). St. Clair wins. +100 points to R5. St. Clair gains +1 Cmd (2), +1 Gov (3), +1 Adm (1), Healthcare.
With the exception of DE, incumbents held in every state. Arthur St. Clair hit the perfect combo of gains, and is looking to become a powerhouse.
Umbrella
01-27-2025, 03:52 PM
4th CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects Andrew Adams (R4), Thomas Chittenden (B2), and Roger Sherman (R2).
DE: Richard Bassett (B3) selects John Patten (B3) and Gunning Bedford Sr (R4).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects Lachlan McIntosh (B4) and George Mathews (R5).
MA: John Adams (R3) selects James Bowdoin (R4), Robert Treat Paine (R1), Joseph Warren (R2), and John Lowell (R5).
MD: Thomas Johnston (R2) selects William Smallwood (R2), Robert H Harrison (R3), William Hindman (R5), and William Smith (B3).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects John Penn (B2), Hugh Williamson (B1), and Cornelius Harnett (B3).
NH : Josiah Bartlett (B4) selects Simeon Olcott (R4) and Samuel Livermore (B2).
NJ: John Hart (B4) selects Richard Stockton (R4), Lambert Cadwalader (B5), and Aaron Kitchell (B2).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects James Clinton (B2), William Montgomery (B1), and Abraham Yates Jr (B4).
PA: John Dickinson (B3) selects John Bayard (R3), Robert Brown (B3), Charles Willson Peale (R1), and John Smilie (B1).
RI: John Collins (B3) selects Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) and William Ellery (B3).
SC: Thomas Bee (R5) selects Thomas Sumter (B5), John Rutledge (R4), and Ralph Izard (R5).
VA: Arthur St. Clair (R5) selects Henry Lee II (R5), Edmund Pendleton (R2), George Washington (R4), and John Smith (B1).
Red holds the slimmest of advantages (20-19) in the Continental Congress. Can George Washington revive his career in Congress after his humiliating removal from the military?
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 11:54 AM
1780-1782
1780 DRAFT
Top picks and draft order:
R4 John Marshall, gains +1 Adm (3)
R1 Rufus King, gains +1 Leg (2)
B1 James Winthrop
B2 Joseph Hiester
B5 John Taylor
R2 Isaac Tichenor
R3 John Eager Howard
B4 Samuel Smith
B3 Joseph Bloomfield
R5 Gouverneur Morris
Benjamin Bourne (R4) gains Numberfudger, Morgan Lewis (B2) gains Predictable. William Stephens Smith (R4) gains DE, John Eager Howard (R3) gains MA, Benjamin Bourne (R4) gains PA.
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 02:21 PM
CAREER TRACK
B1 James Winthrop to Backroom, Stephen R Bradley to Legis, Samuel J Potter to Gov, James Booth Sr to Admin, John Smith to Private. James Sullivan removed from Admin after 8 years; gains +1 Adm (3), Transportation, Uncharismatic.
B2 Joseph Hiester to Backroom, Morgan Lewis to Admin, Ebenezer Elmer to Private, Jonas Galusha to Gov, John Rhea to Legis, George Rogers Clark to Mil. Andrew Gregg fails to go to Judicial. Robert Bowie removed from Gov after 4 years; gains Labor, +1 Leg (2), Charisma, Puritan. Jospeh Bradley Varnum removed from Backroom after 4 years; gains +1 Adm (1).
B3 Joseph Bloomfield to Gov, William Eustis to Admin, Henry Tazewell to Legis, Abraham Baldwin to Military, Benjamin Howland to Private, John Condit to Backrroom. Nicholas Gilman fails to go to Judicial.
B4 Samuel Smith to Legis, Robert Wright to Gov, George Logan to Admin, Matthew Clay to Backroom, Thomas Mason to Private. Jacob Broom fails to go to Judicial. Michael Jenifer Stone removed from Legis after 8 years; gains +1 Leg (3), Army. John Baptista Ashe removed from Gov after 4 years; gains Nationalist, Housing.
B5 John Taylor to Private, Wade Hampton I to Military, Gabriel Duvall to Judicial, Andrew Moore to Backroom, David Hall to Gov, James Gunn to Legis.
R1 Rufus King to Legis, John Laurens to Admin, Richard Varick to Backroom, William Jones to Mil, Franklin Davenport to Private, William Bradford to Judicial, Beverley Randolph to Gov. Shearjashub Bourne removed from Legis after 8 years; gains +1 Leg (3), Media. Luther Martin removed from Backroom after 4 years; gains +1 Adm (2), Environment, Leadership.
R2 Isaac Tichenor to Gov, Winthrop Sargent to Private, Tench Coxe to Admin, William Bingham to Legis, Josiah Harmar to Military, Amos Slaymaker to Backroom. James Sheafe failed to go to Judicial. James Lloyd removed from Private after 8 years; +1 Leg (2), Healthcare. Richard Peters removed from Backroom after 8 years; gains +1 Adm (2), Science, Kingmaker.
R3 John Eager Howard to Gov, James McHenry to Admin, John Brooks to Mil, Nathaniel Chipman to Judicial, Nathan Hale to Private, Ebenezer Huntington to Backroom, Uriah Tracy to Legis.
R4 - John Marshall to Admin, Benjamin Tallmadge to Mil, Edmund Randolph to Gov, Frederick Frelinghuysen to Private, Benjamin Hawkins to Backroom, Benjamin Bourne to Legis. John Davenport failed to go to Judicial.
R5 Gouverneur Morris to Private, John Taylor Gilman to Gov, George Cabot to Backroom, Nathaniel Mitchell to Military, Henry Latimer to Judicial, James Hillhouse to Legis, Alfred Moore to Admin. William Paterson removed from Gov after 8 years; gains +1 Gov (3), Business.
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 04:46 PM
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER
James Garrard (B2), Andrew Pickens (B3), Benjamin Taliaferro (B3), Thomas Claiborne (B4), Thomas Sumter (B5), Arthur Lee (R1), Francis Dana (R3), Israel Putnam (R3), Daniel Carroll (R3), Esek Hopkins (R3) and Richard Butler (R5) lose flipflopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
George Logan (B4) moves from PA to NH. Benjamin Huntington (R3) moves from CT to PA.
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 Samuel J Potter shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Stephen R Bradley shifts from Lib to Mod. George Bryan shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B2 Thomas Chittenden fails to shift from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Moses Robinson shifts from Lib to Mod.
B3 Isaac Shelby fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Andrew Pickens fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Joseph Bloomfield fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable. Anthony Wayne fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Two Faced. Henry Tazewill shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
B4 Samuel Smith fails to shift from Cons to Mod. Edward Telfair fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Josiah Bartlett fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B5 Thomas Sumter fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Wade Hampton I shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Gabriel Duvall shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Moderate enthusiasm is maxed for Blue, so these politicians leave Red to join Blue: Beverley Randolph (R1) joins B3 faction.
George Taylor (B1) converts Josiah Bartlett (B4).
William Moore (R4) fails to convert John Jay (R5).
Thomas McKean (R1) fails to convert John Jay (R5).
Caesar Rodney (R3) fails to convert John Jay (R5).
William Franklin (R5) fails to convert James McHenry (R3).
B1 was able to gain a governor (Bartlett), which is the big news of this phase.
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 05:05 PM
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; Civil Rights; Public Education, Environmentalist, Human Rights, LW Media (gained Civil Rights, Public Education, Environmentalist, lost Transportation)
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Big Oil & Gas, Globalists, Big Pharma, Law & Order, Big Tech (gained Big Pharma)
R3 Mod; none; Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist, Big Pharma, Labor Unions, Transportation (gained Big Pharma)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Military-Industrial, Free Trade (gained Environmentalist, Military-Industrial, lost Big Pharma)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist (lost Law & Order)
B1 Mod; Reformists; Science (lost Civil Rights, Welfare)
B2 Mod; none; Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist (gained Big Oil & Gas)
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Big Oil & Gas, Labor Unions (lost Military-Industrial, Transportation)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, Nationalists; Big Oil & Gas
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Labor Unions
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 06:30 PM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
R4 chooses George Washington (R4) as CC President. +50 points to R4.
Edmund Pendleton (R2) named Domestic Chair. Gains Healthcare. 50 points to R2.
Andrew Adams (R4) named Judicial Chair. 50 points to R4.
Roger Sherman (R2) named Economic Chair. Gains Business. 50 points to R2.
James Bowdoin (R4) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Leaderhsip, Army. 50 points to R4.
Domestic Committee and gains: John Penn (B2, Energy), Samuel Livermore (B2, Education), Aaron Kitchell (B2, Media), William Smith (B3, Healthcare), Robert Brown (B3, Housing), Abraham Yates Jr (B4, Agriculture), William Smallwood (R2, Housing), George Matthews (R5, Environment), John Lowell (R5, Energy).
Economic Committee and gains: William Montgomery (B1, Transportation), Cornelius Harnett (B3, Welfare), Charles Willson Peale (R1, Business), Joseph Warren (R2, Trade), Gunning Bedford Sr (R4, Welfare), Richard Stockton (R4, Labor), John Rutledge (R4, Transportation), William Hindman (R5, Trade).
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: Hugh Williamson (B1), John Smith (OH) (B1, Naval), Thomas Chittenden (B2, Foreign Affairs), Joseph Stanton Jr (B2), John Patten (B3), William Ellery (B3, Naval), Thomas Sumter (B5, Foreign Affairs), Robert H Harrison (R3, Army), Simeon Olcott (R4, Foreign Affairs)
Judicial Committee and gains: John Smilie (B1, Justice), James Clinton (B2, Justice), Lachlan McIntosh (B4, Justice), Lambert Cadwalader (B5, Justice), Robert Treat Paine (R1), John Bayard (R3, Justice), Ralph Izard (R5), Henry Lee II (R5)
Umbrella
01-29-2025, 06:31 PM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps George Taylor; gains Pliable.
B2 Keeps John Hancock; gains +1 Leg (3), +1 Adm (1).
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; no gains.
B4 Chooses Nathaniel Niles; no gains. Known as the Traditional Patriots.
B5 Keeps William Cocke; gains +1 Cmd (1).
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; gains Iron Fist.
R2 Keeps Benjamin Franklin; no gains.
R3 Keeps Caesar Rodney; no gains.
R4 Chooses James Bowdoin; gains +1 Leg (3). Known as the Bowdoin Patriots.
R5 Keeps William Franklin; gains Incoherent.
Umbrella
01-30-2025, 11:04 AM
DEATH AND RETIREMENTS
B1 George Taylor (current faction leader since 1772, member of 3rd Continental Congress) dies of malaria at age 64.
B2 Samuel Livermore (current CC member) dies of malaria at age 48.
B3 John Ashe dies of tuberculosis at age 55.
B4 Robert Yates dies of malaria at age 42.
B5 James Madison Sr (member of 2nd Continental Congress, signer of Declaration of Independence) dies of yellow fever at age 57.
R1 Nicholas Van Dyke (member of 3rd Continental Congress) dies of plague at age 42.
R2 Benjamin Franklin (current faction leader since 1772, current Secretary of Treasury, President of 1st Continental Congress) announces he will retire at the end of this term due to family reasons at age 74. Francis Lewis dies of yellow fever at age 67.
R3 Israel Putnam (current General) dies of tuberculosis at age 62.
R4 James Bowdoin (current CC F/M Chair, current faction leader) dies of dysentery at age 54.
R5 Benjamin Lincoln (current General, member of 2nd Continental Congress, signer of Declaration of Independence) dies of yellow fever at age 47.
B1 selects Ethan Allen as new faction leader. R4 selects Nathaniel Gorham as new faction leader.
George Washington (R4) promotes Robert H Harrison (R3) to Foreign/Military Chair. Governor John Adams (R3) selects Shearjashub Bourne (R1) for MA CC Member, Domestic committee. Governor Josiah Bartlett (B1) selects Nicholas Gilman (B3) for NH CC Member, F/M committee.
Robert H Harrison (R3) names Daniel Morgan (R3) and William Moultrie (R4) as Generals. +25 points to R3 and R4.
This was the most brutal death/retirement phase yet, and it couldn't have come at a worse time. Three faction leaders, two CC members (including a chair), two generals, and the Secretary of Treasury taken down. Benjamin Franklin will at least finish his term, but he's a big loss to the country.
Umbrella
01-30-2025, 03:06 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
Trade tension has been gradually escalating and has now resulted in a diplomatic war of words between diplomats of both nations. Spanish relations -1 (4).
There has been talk among politician of the possible presidential candidacy of one of our leading military officers. Benedict Arnold (R5) gains +1 Cmd (2).
One politician is showing such high favorables among voters that it would be foolish for them not to run for president. John Hart (B4) gains +1 Cmd (1).
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Another politician in a powerful faction is being noted as a corrupting force. Alexander Martin (R5) gains Controversial.
An independently minded politician is considering a presidential run. Nathanael Green (R3) gains +1 Cmd (1).
Umbrella
01-30-2025, 03:17 PM
ERA EVENTS
William Franklin Defies Father and Colonies by Siding with the British: Despite being the son of Benjamin Franklin, William Franklin has defied his father and declared his loyalty to the crown! William Franklin (R5, current faction leader since 1772, 1st Continental Congress member) removed from game. -50 points to B4, R5.
Conciliatory Resolution: Word has spread that the British Parliament has issues a Conciliatory Resolution to the various colonial governments in an effort to resolve the crisis. However, they bypassed our Continental Congress, believing it to be an illegal government institution. Clearly, they wish to divide the colonies, but the British government does wish to relax some of the taxation we bear in exchange for our loyalty. George Washington (R4) response: This is pittance for the amount of blood that's been shed. Reject it. Congress approves. +50 points to B4, R5.
Alliance with France: Our minister to France might have just saved our great cause! Initially, King Louis XVI's chief minister, the Comte de Vergennes, seemed to be stalling at every turn, but something convinced him to change his mind! We now have evidence that our delegation and a French diplomat have signed a Treaty of Amity and Commerce. By these terms, we are firmly allied to France, both defensively and economically. It is a necessary deal for independence, but some fear we may lose our independence by becoming a satellite of France. Artemis Ward (R2) gains +1 Mil (5). Relationship with France now at 9 (Allies). Robert Morris (R5) loses Obscure and gains Celebrity. Mil Prep +1 (4). Rev/Budg +1 (2). Econ Stab +1 (6, out of crisis). George Washingtons response: By god, our minister to France has saved our cause! 200 points to R4, 100 points to R2, R5.
Treaty of Aranjuez: Word has arrived that Spain has agreed to support France in their war against King George III. This means Spain is indirectly aiding us in our cause. The terms, hashed out by the Comte de Vergennes of France and the Conde de Floridablanca of Spain, will see Spain aiding our cause in exchange for France aiding Spain in regaining former possessions lost to Great Britain. Spanish relations +1 (5). George Washingtons response: Three cheers to Spain! We welcome France's ally to our cause. +50 points to R2, R4.
Carlisle Peace Commission: A British peace commission led by the Earl of Carlisle wished to negotiate an end to the war. The Earl wishes to offer us home rule and representation in the British Parliament in exchange for surrendering our Independent and rejoining the realm of King George III. George Washingtons response: We demand nothing but full recognition of our independence. Reject the commission. Congress approves unanimously. +150 points to R5, +100 points to B4, R1, R4, +50 points to B3, B5.
Dutch Recognize the United States: God love the United Provinces! We've been recognized. We must establish official relations with them immediately to strengthen our ties. We can expect recognition from other countries in the near future. George Washingtons response: This should open the floodgates to new financial friends abroad. US can now take out loans. +100 points to R4, R5.
Treaty of Paris: Representatives of King George III, David Harley and Richard Oswald, have agreed to meet at the Hotel d'York in Paris to negotiate the end of our long-lasting Revolutionary War. The Comte de Vergennes, Louis XVI's chief minister, will mediate the negotiations. We need only send our diplomats, and at long last our Independence is won! Revolutionary War is over!! US acquires rights to OH, KY, TN, MS, AL. UK relations move to 3 (Hostile). Washingtons response: Let's sign the treaty so we might finally have peace and liberty. +250 points to B1, B4, R5. Robert H Harrison (R3) names Thomas Jefferson (B5) Ambassador to UK. +25 points to B5. Jefferson gains Business. Robert H Harrison (R3), Robert Morris (R5), and Thomas Jefferson (B5) to implement the treaty. Harrison and Jefferson blunder, but Washington has Geostrategist and Military experience, and is able to avoid the blunders. All generals and admirals except senior resign their commissions, and Continental Army and Navy disbanded.
Annapolis Convention: Twelve delegates from five of our states gathered at Mann's Tavern in Annapolis, Maryland to discuss the flaws in our Articles of Confederation and to argued for a lowering of state tariffs. Expect a larger, better organized gathering in the near future for further discussions. This one was quite shoddy. Maryland didn't even send a delegation despite hosting the event. George Washington response: Considering the financial difficulties and precarious nature of our national defense, an amended Articles of Confederation seems necessary. Support the cause. Congress approves 10-0 (3 states abstain). +300 points to R5, +100 points to B1, B4, R4.
Constitutional Convention: Word is sent to the various states to send delegates to Philadelphia for the purpose of amending the Articles of Confederation. However, it's understood that many proponent of this convention will have a more revolutionary goal in mind. Governor of PA John Dickinson (B3) gains +250 points for B3. George Washingtons response: For better or worse, this Convention will be the death knell to our Articles of Confederation and this Congress. May we create a more perfect union. Dom Stab +1 (7). +750 points to R5, +500 points to R4, +250 points to B1, B4.
Federalist Papers: A series of essays strongly supportive of the US Constitution and a more vigorous central government are appearing in the newspapers. They're written by three authors using pen names. however, we are quite certain of the voices of these essays. Many of the papers are ensuring that these essays drown out those that oppose the Constitution. George Washingtons response: Let's endorse the sagacious pro-Constitution authors of these papers. +300 points to R4, +200 points to B1, +100 points to B2, R1, R2, R3, -100 points to B4.
R5 chooses Henry Middleton as new faction leader.
Wow! This was an eventful phase. We had the perfect storm happen, all starting with the alliance with France. Our Ambassador to France got the job done, and that started a snowball of events which led to peace away from the battlefield. This is a bit of an unusual way to win independence, but once France entered the war, it was just a matter of time. We are now an official country, recognized by the European powers. We actually have more events auto-firing, but we hit the maximum for this term. Now the foundation of what this new country will become is being built.
Umbrella
01-30-2025, 06:38 PM
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATES
All delegates lose Obscure if they have it. Gains listed.
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects himself (R3), Samuel Huntington (R3), and William Williams (B1).
DE: Richard Bassett (B3) selects John Patten (B3, +1 Leg (3)), Jacob Broom (B4, +1 Leg (2)), and John McKinly (R5, +1 Leg (2)).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects himself (B4), Lachlan McIntosh (B4), and Archibald Bulloch (R4).
MA: John Adams (R3) selects himself (R3, +1 Leg (3)), Francis Dana (R3, +1 Leg (3)), and Samuel Allyne Otis (B2).
MD: Thomas Johnson (R2) selects William Smallwood (R2), James Lloyd (R2), and John Hanson (B2).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects Timothy Bloodworth (B4), himself (B2), and Samuel Johnston (R3).
NH: Josiah Bartlett (B1) chooses to not send any delegates.
NJ: John Hart (B4) selects himself (B4), Lambart Cadwalader (B5), and Richard Stockton (R4).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects Philip Livingston (B5), William Floyd (B3), and Richard Morris (R2).
PA: John Dickinson (B3) selects Thomas Paine (B1, +1 Leg (2)), Robert Brown (B3), and Benjamin Chew (R4).
RI: John Collins (B3, +1 Leg (2)) selects William Ellery (B3), himself (B3), and Theodore Foster (R4).
SC: Thomas Bee (R5) selects Henry Middleton (R5), John Hunter (R2), and Andrew Pickens (B3).
VA: Arthur St. Clair (R5) selects Abner Nash (R3), John Crittenden Sr (R4), and George Muter (B1).
Umbrella
01-30-2025, 06:44 PM
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION
Benjamin Chew (R4) was the one who proposed the convention, is named Father of the Constitution. Chew gains Celebrity, +1 Leg (2), +1 Cmd (1).
Nominations for President of Convention are Thomas Paine (B1), John Hanson (B2), Edward Telfair (B4), John Adams (R3), Benjamin Chew (R4) and Henry Middleton (R5). Initial voting: Adams 18, Chew 5, Hanson 3, Middleton 2, Paine 3, Telfair 5. Since there is no majority, Middleton drops out. Second round of voting: Adams 20, Chew 5, Hanson 3, Paine 3, Telfair 5. Adams named president.
PROPOSALS:
Henry Middleton (R5) proposes All slaves count towards electoral vote of states (Slave B).
Timothy Bloodworth (B4) proposes Amendment requires unanimous approval of states (Amd C).
Francis Dana (R3) proposes Establish US Senate and US House (Article 1 A).
Richard Caswell (B2) proposes Amendment requires Ύ majority of states (Amd A).
John Patten (B3) proposes Slaves count partially towards electoral vote of states (Slave A).
William Williams (B1) proposes Establish elected President with 4 year terms (Article 2 A).
Benjamin Chew (R4) proposes Establish a Federal Judicial Branch (Article 3 A).
Jacob Broom (B4) proposes Establish elected life-term President (Article 2 C).
John McKinly (R5) proposes Establish Unicameral House based on Equal Representation of the States (Article 1 C).
VOTING:
Article 1 (Legislative branch): Option A defeats Option C 10-2.
Article 2 (Executive branch): Option A defeats Option C 10-2.
Article 3 (Judicial branch): Option A is only option, wins 12-0.
Amendments: Option A defeats Option C 10-2.
Slave states: Option A defeats Option B 10-2.
Governors will vote to ratify during their actions.
So far, the proposed constitution matches what happened in real life.
Izulde
01-31-2025, 12:08 PM
What led NH not to send any delegates?
JonInMiddleGA
02-01-2025, 05:30 PM
I got a little behind on this.
Treutlen's death by dysentary in game might have been gentler than his real-life demise. Historians agree that he was assassinated, what's debated is by whom (other than "a mob") and why. Theories range from angry Tories to angry South Carolinians to angry Conservatives to personal grudges/feuds.
Meanwhile, Matthews (of GA) sent me to Google as I have some reasonably well-to-do Matthews in my family tree. This particular one was unfamiliar to me off hand and I was surprised to discover that he has no less than three monuments/markers in his honor within a half hour of where I'm sitting. That's even more interesting since he's the only Georgia I've seen in this playthrough who does NOT have any of our 159 counties named for him, probably a function of his real-life having a number of controversies that kept him from ever quite reaching loftier heights.
Umbrella
02-03-2025, 01:25 PM
What led NH not to send any delegates?
The blue team only had 1 eligible delegate, so they sent none instead of 1 blue and 2 red. Pretty rare situation, but it came up.
Umbrella
02-03-2025, 01:27 PM
Also, R1 didn't have a single delegate to the convention. There are quite a few alt history options that could happen, but they need more left leaning delegates to propose them. It would have been interesting to see if women's suffrage, or even abolish slavery could have happened from the beginning.
Umbrella
02-04-2025, 11:41 AM
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
CT, MA, MD lead Maritime. MA, NH, PA, RI lead Manufacturing. PA leads finance. SC leads Plantation. NH, VA leads Agriculture. 300 points to B3, R3; 200 points to B1, R5; 100 points to R2.
CT Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry.
DE Richard Bassett (B3) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to Encourage settlement on native lands.
GA Edward Telfair (B4) votes to ratify constitution. Passes 4 year terms for Govs. 100 points to B1.
MA John Adams (R3) votes to ratify constitution. Passes Establish State Bank. 100 points to R4, R5. 200 points to B3. +1 Finance to MA (2, co-leader).
MD Thomas Johnson (R2) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to lower taxes.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) votes to ratify constitution. Passes 4 year terms for Govs. 100 points to B1.
NH Josiah Bartlett (B1) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to Encourage settlement on native lands.
NJ John Hart (B4) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to pass two-term term limits for Govs.
NY George Clinton (B3) votes to ratify constitution. Improves Burgeoning Industry, Finance. +1 Finance (2, co-leader).
PA John Dickinson (B3) votes to ratify constitution. Improves Burgeoning Industry, Manufacturing. +1 Manufacturing (2, Leader). Dickinson gains +1 Cmd (1). Passes one-term term limits for Gov. 100 points to B1.
RI John Collins (B3) votes to ratify constitution. Improves Burgeoning Industry, Maritime. +1 Maritime (3, co-leader).
SC Thomas Bee (R5) votes to ratify constitution. Fails to Encourage settlement on native lands.
VA Arthur St. Clair (R5) votes to ratify constitution. Passes Encourage settlement on native lands. 200 points to B1, R5. 100 points to B3, B5. St. Clair gains +1 Cmd (3).
Constitution is ratified.
Lots of changes with industry this phase, and the first changes made to governor term limits and terms have beeen made.
Umbrella
02-04-2025, 05:47 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non crisis spending bills. Rev/Budget, Mil Prep all in crisis.
Shearjashub Bourne (R1) proposes Request loan from the United Provinces (crisis) F/M
Robert Brown (B3) proposes Create Framework for Future Western States (foundation) F/M
John Smith (B1) proposes Create Department of State (spend, foundation) F/M
William Hindman (R5) proposes Move Capital to Baltimore (spend) Domestic
Cornelius Harnett (B3) proposes Create Department of War (foundation, spend) F/M
John Bayard (R3) proposes Move Capital to Boston (spend) Domestic
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Foreign/Military committee: Request loan from the United Provinces passes 10-0. Create Framework for Western States passes 10-0. Create Department of State passes 8-2. Create Department of War passes 9-1. Chairman Robert H Harrison (R3) packages Request Loan and Create Framework together, called C.C. Foreign/Military Act of 1781.
Domestic committee: Chair Edmund Pendleton (R2) blocks Move Capital to Boston and replaces it with Create Confederation Cabinet (spend). Move Capital to Boston passes 8-2. Create Confederation Cabinet passes 10-0.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
C.C. Foreign/Military Act of 1781 passes 13-0. +400 points to R5; +200 points to B1; +100 points to B3, B4, B5, R4. +1 Rev/Budg (already as high as it can go).
Create Dept of State fails to get 60% of the states 6-3 (4 states abstaining). +100 points to R5; -100 points to B3, B5, R2.
Create Dept of War passes 8-3 (2 states abstaining). +100 points to B3, B5, R2; -100 points to R5.
Move Capitol to Baltimore passes 11-0 (2 states abstaining). +700 points to R3; +400 points to R2; +200 points to B3, B5.
Since two non-crisis spending bills have passes, Create Confederation Cabinet is killed.
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Mod go +1 Red for most points gained by dominant party. LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod goes -1 Red for least points from dominant party. Mod go +1 Red for most points on opposition party. Mod goes -2 Red for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Mod +1 Blue (Max Blue), LW Pop +1 Blue (Lean Blue), Prog +1 Blue (Decent Blue), Lib +1 Blue (Decent Blue).
Foreign/Military Chair Robert H Harrison (R3) names James Wilson (R2) Secretary of War. +75 points to R5.
Reformists and Isolationists are upset they didnt get the Secretary of War. Moderates, Conservatives, Traditionalists enthusiasm all move +1 Blue.
Izulde
02-05-2025, 04:28 AM
Interesting that IRL, Randolph died in 1775 after serving as President of the first Continental Congress. Here, he lives and becomes elected our first President.
Umbrella
02-05-2025, 09:16 AM
Interesting that IRL, Randolph died in 1775 after serving as President of the first Continental Congress. Here, he lives and becomes elected our first President.
He has the Frail trait, which usually results in him dying pretty early. I'm using the new death and retirement rules, so this solo playtest will gather some data on how it is working. I think I prefer the old rules better, but I'll give my feedback to the creator.
Also interesting to me is that Randolph has done nothing at all in the playtest, yet ends up winning the first election. Part of it is he is a blue moderate candidate, and they have the max enthusiasm right now. But he did overperform during the election, and dominated the southern states.
Next is doing all the governor elections, senate selections, and then representative elections. Elections are pretty time consuming to do by hand, and it looks like the rules have been changed for pre-primary governor elections, so it may take a while.
Umbrella
02-05-2025, 11:15 AM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
Rules change from previous.
CT: R3 nominates Jonathan Trumbull Jr (incumbent). R4 nominates Oliver Wolcott Sr. Jonathan Trumbull Jr wins Red nomination. B2 nominates Thomas Chittenden. With no other nominations, Thomas Chittenden wins Blue nomination. Trumbull Jr wins general election. +100 points to R3. Trumbull gains +1 Cmd (2), +1 Adm (1).
DE: R1 nominates Thomas McKean. R2 nominates Thomas Collins. R3 nominates Caesar Rodney. R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr. R5 nominates John McKinly. Thomas Collins (R2) wins the Red nomination. B3 nominates Richard Bassett (incumbent). Bassett is unopposed, so wins the Blue nomination. Bassett wins the general election. +100 points to B3. Bassett gains Foreign Affairs.
GA: R1 nominates Lyman Hall. R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch. R5 nominates George Mathews. Lyman Hall (R1) wins the Red nomination. B4 nominates Edward Telfair (incumbent). With no other nominations, Telfair wins Blue nomination. Telfair wins general election. +100 points to B4. Telfair gains Science.
MA: R3 nominates John Adams (incumbent). With no other nominees, Adams wins Red nomination. B1 nominates Samuel Adams. B2 nominates John Hancock. Hancock wins the Blue nomination. Adams wins general election. +100 points to R2.
MD: R2 nominates Thomas Johnson (incumbent). With no other nominees, Johnson wins Red nomination. B2 nominates Robert Bowie. With no other nominees, Bowie wins Blue nomination. Johnson wins general election. +100 points to R2. Johnson gains +1 Adm (2), Energy. Bowie gains -1 in elections for 6 years.
NC: R3 nominates Samuel Johnston. R5 nominates Alexander Martin. Johnston wins Red nomination. B2 nominates Richard Caswell (incumbent). With no other nominees, Caswell wins Blue nomination. Caswell wins general election. +100 points to B2. Caswell gains Naval.
NH: R2 nominates John Sullivan. With no other nominees, Sullivan wins Red nomination. B1 nominates Josiah Bartlett (incumbent). With no other nominees, Bartlett wins Blue nomination. Bartlett wins general election. +100 points to B1. Bartlett gains Technology.
NJ: R2 nominates Richard Howell. R4 nominates Richard Stockton. R5 nominates William Paterson. Stockton wins the Red nomination. B4 nominates John Hart (incumbent). With no other nominees, Hart wins Blue nomination. Hart wins general election. +100 points to B4. Hart gains +1 Cmd (2), Economics.
NY: R1 nominates James Duane. With no other nominees, Duane wins Red nomination. B3 nominates George Clinton (incumbent). With no other nominees, Clinton wins Blue nomination. Clinton wins general election. +100 points to B3. Clinton gains Healthcare. Duane gets -1 in elections for 6 years.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed. R3 nominates John Bayard. R4 nominates William Moore. Reed wins Red nomination. B1 nominates George Bryan. B2 nominates Andrew Gregg. B5 nominates Samuel Maclay. Gregg wins Blue nomination. Gregg wins general election. +100 points to B2. Gregg loses Obscure.
RI: R1 nominates Nicholas Cooke. R2 nominates William Greene Jr. Cooke wins Red nomination. B3 nominates John Collins (incumbent). With no other nominees, Collins wins Blue nomination. Collins wins general election. +100 points to B3. Collins gains Foreign Affairs.
SC: R5 nominates Thomas Bee (incumbent). With no other nominees, Bee wins Red nomination. B3 nominates Alexander Gillon. With no other nominees, Gillon wins Blue nomination. Gillon wins general election. +100 points to B3, -500 points to R5.
VA: R3 nominates Abner Nash. R4 nominates James Wood. R5 nominates Arthur St. Clair (incumbent). St. Clair wins Red nomination. B2 nominates John Page. B3 nominates Thomas Nelson Jr. B4 nominates Richard Henry Lee. R5 nominates George Mason. Mason wins Blue nomination. St. Clair wins general election. +100 points to R5. St. Clair gains Welfare.
Blue picked up one spot, but for the most parts, the incumbents held.
Umbrella
02-06-2025, 06:58 PM
I just realized I screwed this up. After the constitutional convention, the rules don't get applied immediately, they get applied at the start of the Era of Federalism, which is the 1788 term. Therefore, there were no presidential elections, and no Senate or House selections/elections either. So the governor elections proceed as normal, but I need to appoint members to the Continental Congress as before. I will delete the posts with the bad info in them.
JonInMiddleGA
02-07-2025, 05:42 PM
Kind of a random question but ... what in-game year IS it?
Umbrella
02-10-2025, 11:47 AM
Kind of a random question but ... what in-game year IS it?
We're nearing the end of the 1780-82 term.
I finally cleaned up the giant mess I made, reverted everything back, and now it should be back on track.
CONTINENTAL CONGRESS SELECTIONS
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects William Samuel Johnson (R1), Eliphat Dyer (R3), and Silas Deane (R3).
DE: Richard Bassett (B3) selects Jacob Broom (B4) and Caesar Rodney (R3).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects Lyman Hall (R1) and James Jones (R3).
MA: John Adams (R3) selects Francis Dana (R3), Benjamin Lincoln (R5), Nathaniel Gorham (R4), and Tristram Dalton (R4).
MD: Thomas Johnston (R2) selects Daniel Carroll (R3), John Hanson (B2), William Paca (R4), and Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (R1).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects Robert Howe (B3), William Hooper (R1), and Samuel Ashe (B2).
NH : Josiah Bartlett (B1) selects John Langdon (R2) and James Sheafe (R2).
NJ: John Hart (B4) selects William Livingston (R2), Elias Boudinot (B1), and Abraham Clark (R1).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects William Floyd (B3), Walter Livingston (R4), and Janes Duane (R1).
PA: Andrew Gregg (B2) selects William Maclay (B5), John W Kittera (R1), Benjamin Huntington (R3), and Samuel Maclay (B5).
RI: John Collins (B3) selects Theodore Foster (R4) and William Bradford (R1).
SC: Alexander Gillon (B3) selects Andrew Pickens (B3), Benjamin Guerard (B3), and Christopher Gadsden (B3).
VA: Arthur St. Clair (R5) selects Daniel Morgan (R3), Richard Henry Lee (B4), George Wythe (R1), and John Parke Custis (R2).
Red still controls congress with a supermajority 27-12. R1 has the most delegates with 9.
Umbrella
02-10-2025, 12:05 PM
END OF TERM
Benjamin Franklin (R2, current faction leader, current Secretary of Treasury, President of Continental Congress from 1774-76, and signer of the Declaration of Independence) retires. Joseph Reed, Frederick Muhlenberg, and Thomas Scott all lose their Kingmaker.
Red leads blue 15,050-14,125. However, since red is winning but has the lowest scoring faction (R1), they get a penalty. This is a penalty for the factions not working together. All red factions except R1 lose 10% of their points. After penalty, blue leads red 14,125-13,601. Faction scores in order:
R5: 5985
B3: 4700
B4: 3875
R2: 3038
B1: 2775
R3: 2498
R4: 1530
B5: 1500
B2: 1275
R1: 550
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, Governor of NY)
2. John Adams (R3, Governor of MA)
3. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Ambassador to UK)
4. Edward Telfair (B4, Governor of GA)
5. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, Governor of CT)
6. George Washington (R4)
7. Richard Henry Lee (B4, CC Rep)
8. Thomas McKean (R1, Faction Leader)
9. Caesar Rodney (R3, Faction Leader, CC Rep)
10. John Marshall (R4, Admin Track)
Crazy to see someone on the career track in the top 10. Marshall could become a powerhouse once he gets his gains, if he stays on there long enough. For the continental congress selections, the red team tried to help out R1 with naming a bunch of their delegates, but it was too little too late.
Umbrella
02-10-2025, 02:45 PM
1782-1784
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER
John E Colhoun (B2), Andrew Pickens (B3), Isaac Shelby (B3), Anthony Wayne (B3), Edward Telfair (B4), William Few (B5), Wade Hampton I (B5), Thomas Sumter (B5), Gabriel Duvall (B5), George Wythe (R1), Robert Goldsborough (R2), Peleg Wadsworth (R4), Charles Lee (R4), John Pickering (R5) and Ralph Izard (R5) lose flipflopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Charles Lee (R4) fails to move PA to DE.
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1: Jonathan Grout shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Jonathan Ingersoll shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper. William Grayson shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flippflopper.
B2: Thomas Chittenden shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Pliable.
B3: Andrew Pickens shifts from Cons to Mod. Isaac Shelby shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Joseph Bloomfield shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Two Faced. Anthony Wayne shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B4: Thomas Mason fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable. John Sevier fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Michael Jenifer Stone fails to shift from Cons to Mod.
B5: Thomas Sumter fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. David Hall shifts from Cons to Mod. James Gunn shifts from Cons to Mod.
POLITICIAN CONVERSION
Because Red Moderates are at lowest enthusiasm, we need to check if anyone switches parties. John Langdon (R2, CC Rep) jumps to B5. Thomas Scott (R2) jumps to B5. Nathanael Greene (R3) jumps to B2.
Thomas McKean (R1) fails to convert John Jay (R5). McKean converts William Smallwood (R2). McKean converts Tench Coxe (R2).
John Hancock (B2) fails to convert William Floyd (B3).
William Cocke (B5) fails to convert William Floyd (B3).
Caesar Rodney (R3) fails to convert John Jay (R5). Jay loses Pliable. Rodney fails to convert Charles Coatesworth Pinckney (R5). Pinckney loses Pliable.
Ethan Allen (B1) fails to convert William Floyd (B3).
Thomas Johnson (R2) fails to convert Richard Butler (R5). Butler gains Integrity.
Nathaniel Niles (B4) fails to convert William Floyd (B3).
Henry Middleton (R5) fails to convert Robert Goldsborough (R2).
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
John Hancock (B2) takes on Samuel Allyne Otis (B2) as protιgι. Otis gains +1 Leg (3), Business, Leadership.
Richard Peters (R2) takes on Joseph Reed (R2) as protιgι. Reed gains +1 Adm (1), Science.
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Public Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Human Rights, LW Media (gained Reformists, Public Housing)
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Law & Order, Big Tech (lost Big Oil & Gas, Globalists, Big Pharma)
R3 Mod; none; Environmentalist, Globalists, Labor Unions, Transportation (lost Big Oil & Gas, Big Pharma, gained Globalists)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Private Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Law & Order, Labor Unions, Military-Industrial, Free Trade (lost Public Education, gained Private Education, Law & Order, Labor Unions)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Science (gained Civil Rights)
B2 Mod; none; Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Big Pharma, Labor Unions (lost Big Oil & Gas, gained Big Pharma)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats; Law & Order (lost Nationalists, Big Oil & Gas, gained Law & Order)
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Globalists (gained Globalists, lost Labor Unions)
Umbrella
02-10-2025, 07:09 PM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
R1 chooses William Bradford (R1) as CC President. Bradford loses Obscure. +50 points to R1.
Francis Dana (R3) named Domestic Chair. Gains Agriculture. +50 points to R3.
William Paca (R4) named Judicial Chair. +50 points to R4.
Nathaniel Gorham (R4) named Economic Chair. Gains Leadership, Transportation. +50 points to R2.
Caesar Rodney (R3) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Foreign Affairs. +50 points to R4.
Domestic Committee and gains: William Floyd (B3, Education), Jacob Broom (B4, Environment), John Langdon (B5, Environment), Samuel Maclay (B5, Housing), Lyman Hall (R1, Housing), William Livingston (R2, Housing), Eliphalet Dyer (R3, Technology), Silas Deane (R3, Technology), Theodore Foster (R4, Leadership, Technology).
Economic Committee and gains: Samuel Ashe (B2, Transportation), Christopher Gadsden (B3, Trade), William Maclay (B5, Trade), Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (R1), William Hooper (R1, Business), Abraham Clark (R1, Transportation), James Duane (R1, Labor), John W Kittera (R1, Business), George Wythe (R1, Welfare).
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: Elias Boudinot (B1, Naval), Richard Henry Lee (B4, Foreign Affairs), John Parke Custis (R2, Naval), James Jones (R3, Foreign Affairs), Daniel Carroll (R3, Army), Daniel Morgan (R3, Foreign Affairs), Tristram Dalton (R4, Foreign Affairs), Walter Livingston (R4, Naval).
Judicial Committee and gains: John Hanson (B2, Justice), Robert Howe (B3, Justice), Andrew Pickens (B3, Justice), Benjamin Guerard (B3), William Samuel Johnson (R1), James Sheafe (R2, Leadership, Justice), Benjamin Huntington (R3), Benjamin Lincoln (R5, Leadership, Justice).
Now that we have an Economic Chair, Nathaniel Gorham (R4) names Robert Morris (R5) Secretary of Treasury. Morris accepts, giving up Ambassador to France. Caesar Rodney (R3) names William Paterson (R5) Ambassador to France. Welfare lobby is upset they didnt get a nominee for Secretary of Treasury. LW Pop, Prog, Lib go +1 towards Blue. +525 points to R5, +50 points to R4.
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps Ethan Allen; loses Obscure, gains Leadership, +1 Cmd (1), Easily Overwhelmed.
B2 Keeps John Hancock; gains Puritan.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; gains +1 Leg (2), +1 Adm (1).
B4 Keeps Nathaniel Niles; loses Obscure, gains Leadership, +1 Cmd (1), +1 Leg (3), Incoherent.
B5 Keeps William Cocke; no gains.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; gains +1 Gov (5).
R2 Keeps Thomas Johnson; gains +1 Adm (3), Incoherent, Predictable.
R3 Keeps Caesar Rodney; gains +1 Cmd (2), loses Orator.
R4 Keeps Nathaniel Gorham; no gains.
R5 Keeps Henry Middleton; loses Obscure, gains +1 Gov (1), Kingmaker, Orator.
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02-10-2025, 07:17 PM
I am screwing up left and right. I just realized Benjamin Lincoln, who is in the Continental Congress, died last term. Therefore, he is replaced by William Heath (R2). Since Lincoln got Leadership on his roll, Heath will get it instead.
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02-10-2025, 08:04 PM
DEATH AND RETIREMENTS
B1 John Smith (CC Member from 1780-1782) dies of pneumonia at age 45.
B2 John Penn (CC Member from 1776-78 and 1780-82) dies in a deadly accident at age 39.
B3 Thomas Nelson Jr dies in a deadly accident at age 42.
B4 Charles Scott (CC Member from 1774-78, signer of Declaration of Independence) dies in a deadly accident at age 41.
B5 William Preston dies of plague at age 51.
R1 George Wythe (current CC Member, CC member from 1778-80) dies of pneumonia at age 54.
R2 James Smith wants to consider other things and retires at age 61. Edmund Pendleton (CC Member from 1776-78, CC Domestic Chair from 1780-82) dies of plague at age 59.
R3 Jonathan Trumbull Sr (CC Member from 1779-80) retires at age 70 for a private sector job. John Thomas dies of unknown causes at age 56.
R4 Richard Stockton (CC Member from 1774-76 and 1780-82, signer of Declaration of Independence, Member of Constitutional Convention) dies of malaria at age 50.
R5 Henry Middleton (Current faction leader, CC Economic Chair from 1774-76, CC F/M Chair from 1778-80, signer of Declaration of Independence, Member of Constitutional Convention) is being pressured out, and announces his retirement at age 63. John McKinly (Member of Constitutional Convention) dies of plague at age 59.
R5 names Robert Morris as new faction leader. Arthur St. Clair (R5) names Arthur Lee (R1) as CC replacement.
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02-11-2025, 10:07 AM
RANDOM EVENTS
Did you read about John Pickering's speech last night? What a disaster! This speech was somehow worse than the one Pickering gave last week! (John Pickering (R5) gains Incoherent.)
We may have misevaluated Paine Wingate. Wingate (R5) loses Obscure.
We thought Thomas McKean was washed up, but advisors have been reporting that McKean has rekindled that old fire. (Thomas McKean (R1) loses Incoherent.)
We're forecasting some excitement for Richard Henry Lee and Nathaniel Niles among the more devoutly Christian voters. They've been making rounds to every church in their respective states. (Lee (B4) and Niles (B4) gain +1 in their next election.)
We've been informed by William Cushing 's staff that Cushing has been given a worrying diagnosis. The specifics weren't given, but we can expect that it might impact the longevity of Cushing's political career. (William Cushing (R5) gains Frail.)
There has been talk among politician of the possible presidential candidacy of one of our leading military officers. Benedict Arnold (R5) gains +1 Cmd (3).
The president has been boasting about the administrative skills of one of the cabinet officers. (Robert Morris (R5) gains +1 Adm (5) and Efficient.)
One politician is becoming known as something of a judicial expert by fellow politicians. (James Duane (R1) gains +1 Jud (2).)
One politician is showing such high favorables among voters that it would be foolish for them not to run for president. (James Armstrong (R2) gains +1 Cmd (2).)
One politician, in an attempt to appeal to Middle America, is becoming anti-intellectual to the point of becoming a hatemonger. Few outside their home region can stand this politician. (Richard Henry Lee (B4) gains Provincial and Unlikable.)
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02-11-2025, 10:34 AM
ERA EVENTS
Anti-Federalist Papers: A series of essays opposed to the US Constitution and a stronger federal government have been appearing in the newspapers under pseudonyms. We can, however, construe who some of the likely authors are based on their recent political actions and oratory. President Bradford (R1) response: Let's not bring any attention to these ramblings. We need a Constitution to build a strong government for national defense and economic growth. +300 points to R4, +200 points to B1, R1, +100 points to B2, R2, R3, -100 points to B4.
Von Steuben Arrives: A German nobleman has recommended and sent Baron Friedrich W von Steuben, an impressive man with military experience, to the Continental Congress to assist our war effort. Von Steuben joins R3. +50 points to R4.
Daniel Boone's Life is Chronicled for Publication: Boone has become a kind of folk hero-pioneer from his years exploring lands west of the Appalachian Mountains. He founded one of the first English-language settlements in this area west of Virginia. A new book chronicling his exploits is now a top seller in bookstores. Daniel Boone (B5) gains Celebrity and loses Obscure.
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LINGERING PHASE
Lingering meters: Rev/Budg -1 (1). Honest Govt +1 (8).
Shift towards center: UK relations +1 (4). Honest Govt -1 (7). Prog Enthusiasm +1 Red (Decent Blue).
Cabinet effects: no effect
Corruption: Honest Govt +1 (8).
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
CT, MA, MD, RI lead Maritime. MA, PA lead Manufacturing. MA, NY, PA leads finance. SC leads Plantation. NH, VA leads Agriculture. +400 points to R3, +300 points to B3, +200 points to B2, +100 points to R2, B1, R5.
CT Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Maritime). Fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Finance).
DE Richard Bassett (B3) fails to Encourage settlement on native lands.
GA Edward Telfair (B4) improves Burgeoning Industry. Plantation to 3 (co-leader).
MA John Adams (R3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Maritime).
MD Thomas Johnson (R2) fails to Establish State Bank.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) fails to Establish State Bank.
NH Josiah Bartlett (B1) improves Burgeoning Industry. Manufacturing to 2 (co-leader).
NJ John Hart (B4) improves Burgeoning Industry. Agriculture to 1.
NY George Clinton (B3) improves Burgeoning Industry. Finance to 3 (leader).
PA Andrew Gregg (B2) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Manufacturing).
RI John Collins (B3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Manufacturing).
SC Alexander Gillon (B3) improves Burgeoning Industry. Plantation to 4 (leader).
VA Arthur St. Clair (R5) improves Burgeoning Industry. Agriculture to 3 (leader).
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02-11-2025, 04:16 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 1 non crisis spending bill. Rev/Budget, Mil Prep all in crisis.
Richard Henry Lee (B4) proposes Create Dept of State (foundation, spending) F/M
Caesar Rodney (R3) proposes Create Confederation Cabinet (spend, Mil Prep) Domestic
William Paca (R4) proposes Create Board of Finance (Rev/Budg) - Economic
Samuel Maclay (B5) proposes Create system for settlers to purchase western lands (Rev/Budg) Domestic
Silas Deane (R3) proposes Privatize Bank of North America (Rev/Budg) Economic
Benjamin Huntington (R3) proposes Fix Postage Rates for Interstate Postal Services Domestic
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Foreign/Military committee: Create Dept of State passes 8-1.
Domestic committee: Create Confederation Cabinet passes 10-0. Create system for settlers to purchase western lands passes 10-0. Fix Postage Rates for Interstate Postal Services passes 10-0. Francis Dana (R3) packages all bills together, called CC Domestic Act of 1783.
Economic Committee: Create Board of Finance passes 10-0. Privatize Bank of North America passes 10-0.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
Create Dept of State passes 10-1 (2 states abstaining). +200 points to B5, +100 points to B3, R3, -100 points to R5. +1 Honest Govt (9).
CC Domestic Act of 1783 passes 13-0. +650 points to B3, +350 points to B5, +200 points to B1, R1, R4, +150 points to R3, +100 points to B2, R2.
Create Board of Finance passes 13-0. +300 points to B3, +100 points to R4, R5.
Privatize Bank of North America passes 13-0. +300 points to R5, +100 points to B4.
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Mod/Cons/Trad go +1 Red for most points gained by dominant party. Mod goes -1 Red for least points from dominant party. Mod go +1 Red for most points on opposition party. Mod/Cons/Trad goes -2 Red for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Mod +1 Blue (already maxed).
Privatize Bank of North America automatically deactivates Create Board of Finance.
Caesar Rodney (R3) selects Henry Laurens (R5) as Secretary of State. Laurens accepts and steps down as Ambassador to Spain. +500 points to R5, +100 points to R3.
William Bradford (R1) selects Richard Peters (R2) as Postmaster General (non-cabinet). +50 points to R2.
Caesar Rodney (R3) selects Francis Dana (R3) as Ambassador to Spain. +75 points to R3.
Military-Industrial and Welfare lobbies upset that they didnt get any of the candidates. Mod, Cons, Trad enthusiasm all move +1 Blue.
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02-11-2025, 06:16 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: R2 nominates Roger Sherman. R3 nominates Jonathan Trumbull Jr (incumbent). R4 nominates Oliver Wolcott Sr. Trumbull Jr wins Red nomination. B2 nominates Thomas Chittenden. With no other nominations, Thomas Chittenden wins Blue nomination. Trumbull Jr wins general election. +100 points to R3. Trumbull gains Science.
DE: R1 nominates Thomas McKean. R2 nominates Thomas Collins. R3 nominates Caesar Rodney. R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr. Thomas Collins (R2) wins the Red nomination. B3 nominates Richard Bassett (incumbent). Bassett is unopposed, so wins the Blue nomination. Bassett wins the general election. +100 points to B3. Bassett gains +1 Gov (2), Trade.
MA: R3 nominates John Adams (incumbent). R5 nominates William Cushing. John Adams (R3) wins Red nomination. B1 nominates Samuel Adams. B2 nominates John Hancock. Hancock wins the Blue nomination. Hancock wins general election. +100 points to B2, -500 points to R3.
MD: R1 nominates William Smallwood. R4 nominates William Paca. Smallwood wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Robert Bowie. Bowie is unopposed so wins the Blue nomination. Bowie wins the general election. +100 points to B2. Bowie gains +1 Gov (2).
NH: R2 nominates James Sheafe. With no other nominees, Sheafe wins Red nomination. B1 nominates Josiah Bartlett (incumbent). B5 nominates John Langdon. Langdon wins Blue nomination. Langdon wins general election. +100 points to B5, -500 points to B1. Sheafe gets -1 in all elections for 6 years.
NJ: R2 nominates Richard Howell. R5 nominates William Paterson. Howell wins the Red nomination. B4 nominates John Hart (incumbent). With no other nominees, Hart wins Blue nomination. Howell wins general election. +100 points to R2, -500 points to B4. Howell gains +1 Gov (2).
NY: R1 nominates James Duane. With no other nominees, Duane wins Red nomination. B3 nominates George Clinton (incumbent). B4 nominates Jeremiah Van Rennselaer. Clinton wins Blue nomination. Clinton wins general election. +100 points to B3. Clinton gains Labor.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed. R3 nominates Benjamin Huntington. R4 nominates Thomas Willing. Reed wins Red nomination. B1 nominates George Bryan. B5 nominates Samuel Maclay. Bryan wins Blue nomination. Bryan wins general election. +100 points to B1. Bryan gains Leadership.
RI: R1 nominates William Bradford. R2 nominates William Greene Jr. Greene wins Red nomination. B3 nominates John Collins (incumbent). With no other nominees, Collins wins Blue nomination. Collins wins general election. +100 points to B3. Collins gains Economics.
SC: R4 nominates John Rutledge. R5 nominates Thomas Bee. Bee wins Red nomination. B3 nominates Alexander Gillon (incumbent). With no other nominees, Gillon wins Blue nomination. Gillon wins general election. +100 points to B3. Gillon gains +1 Adm (1).
VA: R3 nominates Abner Nash. R4 nominates James Wood. Nash wins Red nomination. B2 nominates John Page. B4 nominates Richard Henry Lee. R5 nominates George Mason. Page wins Blue nomination. Page wins general election. +100 points to B2. St. Clair gains Welfare.
Some of the incumbents chose to not run again, which led to some more changes. Blue now holds 11 of the governor spots.
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CONTINENTAL CONGRESS SELECTIONS
CT: Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) selects John Davenport (R4), Andrew Adams (R4), and Samuel Huntington (R3).
DE: Richard Bassett (B3) selects John Patten (B3) and Thomas Collins (R2).
GA: Edward Telfair (B4) selects Lachlan McIntosh (B4) and Archibald Bulloch (R4).
MA: John Hancock (B2) selects Samuel Allyne Otis (B2), Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2), John Williston (B1), and Samuel Adams (B1).
MD: Robert Bowie (B2) selects William Smith (B3), Philip Key (B5), John Archer (B3), and William Smallwood (R1).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects William Cocke (B5), Timothy Bloodworth (B4), and Samuel Johnston (R3).
NH : John Langdon (B5) selects Josiah Bartlett (B1) and Simeon Olcott (R4).
NJ: Richard Howell (R2) selects Francis Hopkinson (R1), Philemon Dickinson (R4), and John Witherspoon (R3).
NY: George Clinton (B3) selects Richard Morris (R2), James Clinton (B2), and Abraham Yates Jr (B4).
PA: George Bryan (B1) selects Joseph Reed (R2), Andrew Gregg (B2), John Dickinson (B3), and John Smilie (B1).
RI: John Collins (B3) selects Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) and William Ellery (B3).
SC: Alexander Gillon (B3) selects Thomas Bee (R5), Ralph Izard (R5), and Thomas Sumter (B5).
VA: John Page (B2) selects Return J Meigs Sr (B2), Horatio Gates (B2), Francis Lightfoot Lee (B2), and George Mason (B5).
Blue has taken control of congress, 24-15.
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02-12-2025, 10:54 AM
END OF TERM
Red leads blue 17,351-16,825. However, since red is winning but has the lowest scoring faction (R1), they get a penalty. This is a penalty for the factions not working together. All red factions except R1 lose 10% of their points. After penalty, blue leads red 16,825-15,716. Faction scores in order (reverse draft order in upcoming draft):
R5: 6669
B3: 6450
B4: 3375
R2: 3184
B1: 2875
R3: 2766
B5: 2150
R4: 2097
B2: 1975
R1: 1000
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, Governor of NY)
2. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Ambassador to UK)
3. John Adams (R3)
4. Edward Telfair (B4, Governor of GA)
5. John Hancock (B2, Faction Leader, Governor of MA)
6. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, Governor of CT)
7. Thomas McKean (R1, Faction Leader)
8. George Washington (R4)
9. John Marshall (R4, Admin Track)
10. Samuel Adams (B1, CC Rep)
R1 is still struggling, and taking down red with them. Blue is gaining control of everything right now, with 11 governors and a supermajority in congress. Can they keep the constituents happy? Red had problems when they were in control, and the voting base seems fickle. Also, the upcoming draft is deep, with heavyweights at the top (Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr, James Monroe, among others).
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02-12-2025, 03:13 PM
1784-1786
1784 DRAFT
Top picks and draft order:
R1 Henry Lee III, gains +1 Adm (1)
B2 Aaron Burr, gains +1 Jud (1)
R4 Alexander Hamilton
B5 John Milledge
R3 Fisher Ames
B1 Israel Smith (2nd round)
R2 Jeremiah Smith
B4 James Monroe
B3 Robert Smith
R5 Charles Pinckney
Richard Dobbs Spaight (R5) gains Numberfudger, Caleb P Bennett (B2) gains Unlikable, Joseph McMinn (B5) gains Passive.
William Richardson Davie (R5) gets NH, John Vining (R4) gets NC, and Aaron Ogden (R3) gets PA as alternate states.
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CAREER TRACK
B1 Israel Smith to Legis, Caleb Tompkins to Private, Jonathan Robinson to Judicial, Samuel Byran to Admin, Richard Brent to Backroom. Egbert Benson removed from Backroom track after 12 years; gains +1 Adm (1), Energy, Kingmaker.
B2 Aaron Burr to Backroom, James Wilkinson to Admin, John Adair to Military, Joseph Anderson to Legis, Simon Snyder to Gov, John F Mercer to Private, Theodorus Baily failed to go to Judicial.
B3 Robert Smith to Admin, James Jackson to Gov, John Armstrong Jr to Military, John Fowler to Legis, H Brockholst Livingston to Judicial, Alexander J Dallas to Backroom, Andrew Kirkpatrick to Private. James Linn removed from Judicial after 8 years; gains +1 Jud (2), Egghead.
B4 James Monroe to Admin, Othniel Looker to Gov, Samuel J Cabell to Military, William Butler to Legis, Green Clay to Private, John Brown to Judicial, Carter Bassett Harrison to Backroom. John Lambert removed from Private after 12 years; gains +1 Adm (1), +1 Gov (2), Transportation. Cyrus Griffin removed from Private after 8 years; gains +1 Gov (1), Housing.
B5 John Milledge to Gov, Nathaniel Macon to Legis, Joseph McMinn to Admin, Benjamin Pierce to Private, Alexander Wolcott to Judicial, Thomas Blount to Military, Abraham B Venable to Backroom. John Twiggs removed from Military after 8 years; gains +1 Mil (3).
R1 Henry Lee III to Legis, Charles Lee to Judicial, George Truitt to Gov, Epaphroditus Champion to Private, Robert Troup to Backroom.
R2 Jeremiah Smith to Private, Nicholas Fish to Gov, William Tilghman to Backroom, Peleg Coffin Jr to Admin, Taylor Sherman to Judicial, Joshua Coit to Legis, Jonathan Mason failed to go to Military.
R3 Fisher Ames to Legis, Noah Webster to Admin, Aaron Ogden to Military, William Plumer to Gov, Elijah Paine to Judicial, Chauncey Goodrich to Private, George Gale to Backroom. Amasa Leaned removed from Backroom after 8 years; gains +1 Adm (1), Science.
R4 Alexander Hamilton to Admin, William Loughton Smith to Legis, James Schureman to Military, John Vining to Private, Philip Barton Key to Judicial, James Jacobus Roosevelt to Backroom, Francis Malbone to Gov. John Houston removed from Admin after 12 years; gains +2 Adm (3), Science, Uncharasmatic. James Iredell removed from Judicial after 8 years; gains +1 Jud (4).
R5 Charles Pinckney to Backroom, Christopher Gore to Admin, Levin Winder to Military, William Richardson Davie to Private, Richard Doggs Spaight to Legis. George Dent failed to go to Gov. Samuel Sewell failed to go to Judicial. Theodore Sedgwick removed from Legis after 12 years; gains +1 Leg (3), Science. Benjamin Goodhue removed from Private after 8 years; gains +1 Leg (2), Economics, Leadership.
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REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER PENALTY
Josiah Bartlett (B1), Hugh Williamson (B1), William Williams (B1), William Grayson (B1), Isaac Shelby (B3), Henry Tazewell (B3), Thomas Sumter (B5), William Smallwood (R1), Lyman Hall (R1) all lose Flipflopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Daniel Hiester (B1) moves from PA to MD. George Ross (R2) fails to move from PA to NH. George Dent (R5) moves from MD to NH.
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 James Madison fails to shift from Cons to Mod. Caleb Tompkins shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Jonathan Robinson shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
B2 Aaron Burr shifts from Lib to Mod.
B3 Robert Smith shifts from Cons to Mod. James Jackson shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
B4 Joseph Calhoun fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable. Samuel J Cabell fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Thomas Mason shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B5 Joseph McMinn fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Thomas Sumter shifts from Cons to Mod. Thomas Blount fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable.
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Because Red Moderates and Traditionalists are at lowest enthusiasm, we need to check if anyone switches parties. William Smallwood (R1) jumps to B3. Edmund Randolph (R4) jumps to B2. Richard Dobbs Spaight (R5) jumps to B3.
Thomas McKean (R1) converts Robert Goldsborough (R2). McKean convert Daniel Carroll (R3). McKean fails to convert Esek Hopkins (R3).
Caesar Rodney (R3) fails to convert Ralph Izard (R5); Izard gains Integrity. Rodney fails to convert Richard Butler (R5); Butler gains loses Pliable.
Thomas Johnson (R2) fails to convert Ralph Izard (R5).
Robert Morris (R5) fails to convert James McHenry (R3); McHenry loses Pliable.
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
Egbert Benson (B1) takes on Peter Gansevoort (B1) as protιgι. Gansevoort gains +1 Jud (1), Justice.
John Hancock (B2) takes on Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) as protιgι. Varnum gains +1 Leg (3), Justice, Leadership.
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FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; Civil Rights; Public Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Human Rights, Labor Unions, LW Media, Transportation (loses Reformists, gained Labor Unions, Transportation)
R2 Mod; none; Public Education, Public Housing, Law & Order, Big Tech (gained Public Education, Public Housing, lost Private Education)
R3 Cons; Nationalists, Theocrats; Private Education, Globalists, RW Media, Transportation (lost Mod, Environmentalist, Labor Unions, gain Cons, Nationalists, Theocrats, Private Education, RW Media)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Military-Industrial, Free Trade (gained Public Education, lost Private Education, Law & Order, Labor Unions)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist (lost Wall Street)
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Public Education, Science (gained Public Education)
B2 Mod; Expansionists; Environmentalist (gained Expansionists, lost Big Oil & Gas)
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Public Education, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Labor Unions, Transportation (gained Public Education, Public Housing, Transportation)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, RW Activists; Military-Industrial (gained RW Activists, Military-Industrial, lost Law & Order)
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Environmentalist (gained Environmentalist, lost Globalists)
Between the draft and politician conversion, R3 completely reinvented themselves, and will have to get a new faction leader who fits their new personality. We'll see if other factions change leaders as well.
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02-19-2025, 10:38 AM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
B2 chooses William Cocke (B5) as CC President. +50 points to B5.
Samuel Allyne Otis (B2) named Domestic Chair. Gains Technology. +50 points to B2 .
William Smith (B3) named Judicial Chair. Gains Justice. +50 points to B3.
John Patten (B3) named Economic Chair. Gains Trade. +50 points to B3.
Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) named Foreign/Military Chair. Gains Naval. +50 points to B2.
Domestic Committee and gains: Samuel Adams (B1, Media), John Williston (B1), Josiah Bartlett (B1, Energy), Horatio Gates (B2, Housing), John Archer (B3, Energy), Timothy Bloodworth (B4, Media), Abraham Yates Jr (B4, +1 Leg (2), Science), Thomas Sumter (B5).
Economic Committee and gains: John Smilie (B1, Transportation), James Clinton (B2, Transportation), Joseph Stanton Jr (B2, Transportation), Return J Meigs Sr (B2, Trade), Philip Key (B5, Labor), Francis Hopkinson (R1, Labor), Samuel Huntington (R3, Economics), Philemon Dickinson (R4, Labor), Thomas Bee (R5, Economics).
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: William Ellery (B3, Foreign Affairs), Lachlan McIntosh (B4), Thomas Collins (R2, Naval), Joseph Reed (R2), John Witherspoon (R3, Leadership, Army), Andrew Adams (R4, Foreign Affairs), John Davenport (R4, Naval), Archibald Bulloch (R4, Foreign Affairs), Simeon Olcott (R4, Army).
Judicial Committee and gains: Andrew Gregg (B2, Justice), Francis Lightfoot Lee (B2, Justice), William Smallwood (B3, Justice), John Dickinson (B3), George Mason (B5, Justice), Richard Morris (R2), Samuel Johnston (R3, Justice), Ralph Izard (R5).
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02-19-2025, 10:39 AM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps Ethan Allen; gains +1 Leg (1).
B2 Keeps John Hancock; no gains.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; no gains.
B4 Keeps Nathaniel Niles; no gains.
B5 Keeps William Cocke; no gains.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; no gains.
R2 Keeps Thomas Johnson; loses Obscure.
R3 Chooses Jonathan Trumbull Jr; gains +1 Leg (3). Now known as Trumbull Patriots.
R4 Keeps Nathaniel Gorham; gains Likable, Integrity.
R5 Chooses Benjamin Goodhue; no gains.
RNG was not particularly kind to the faction leaders this phase, other than Gorham.
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02-19-2025, 10:42 AM
DEATH AND RETIREMENTS
B1 Amos Singletary dies of unknown causes at age 63.
B2 John Hanson (CC President 1776-8, Signer of Declaration of Independence, Member of Constitutional Convention, CC Member 1782-4) dies of malaria at age 63.
B3 John Dickinson (Current CC member, Governor of PA 1776-82) dies of malaria at age 52.
B4 John Sevier (Governing track) dies of unknown causes at age 39.
B5 William Maclay (CC member from 1778-80, 1782-84) dies in a deadly accident at age 47.
R1 Lyman Hall (CC member from 1774-76, 1782-84) retires at age 60 to allow a new generation to enter national politics. Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (CC member from 1778-80, 1782-84) dies of plague at age 61.
R2 Artemis Ward (current Senior General since 1780, General from 1778-80) dies in a deadly accident at age 57.
R3 Eliphalet Dyer (CC member from 1782-84) retires at age 63 to allow a new generation to enter national politics. John Witherspoon (Current CC member, CC member 1778-80) dies of yellow fever at age 61.
R4 Philemon Dickinson (Current CC member, CC member from 1774-79, Signer of Declaration of Independence, Admiral from 178-81) dies in a deadly accident at age 45.
R5 Isaac Roosevelt I dies of typhoid at age 58.
NJ Governor Richard Howell (R2) selects John Hart (B4) and John Lambert (B4) as CC member replacements. Hart on Economic committee and Lambert on Judicial committee.
PA Governor George Bryan (B1) selects Thomas Paine (B1) as CC member replacement, on Foreign/Military committee.
Foreign/Military Chair Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) selects Nathanael Greene (B2) as Senior General. +25 points to B2.
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02-19-2025, 10:45 AM
RANDOM EVENTS
Did you see how John Lowell reacted in our meeting? This is one of several recent incidents like this. Lowell doesn't like to be contradicted at all and Lowell can't take even the lightest constructive criticism. John Lowell (R5) gains Disharmonious.
I've been looking at our younger crop of politicians, and Henry Lee III is turning out to be some sort of efficiency wizard. This kid handles almost any issue like its child's play. Henry Lee III (R1) gains Efficient.
We might have found a future star within our party and our faction. George Truitt was expected to give just a routine political appearance at our event, but Truitt really fired up that crowd! George Truitt (R1) gains Charisma.
Yet another scandal! Time to force Timothy Pickering out of office and cut ties with them politically. We can't damage our brand, even if it gives us a temporary setback in an election. We can find someone better to fill their void. Timothy Pickering (R3, admin track) removed from the game.
One military officer is gaining recognition for being an expert on military strategy, innovations, and theory. Nathanael Greene (B2) gains +1 Mil (5).
One of the leading US politicians is strongly considering a presidential run, believing that the government has ignored a fraction of the people for far too long. Thomas McKean (R1) gains +1 Cmd (2).
One of the more wily politicians is talking about a presidential run. Aaron Burr (B2) gains +1 Cmd (1).
This was a pretty interesting phase. R1 had a good phase, with a couple of their young politicians improving, and their faction leader getting more powerful. Perhaps the event that could impact things greatly is Aaron Burr getting his first command point. Command is the hardest thing to get, so this could cause things to play out very differently than happened in real life.
Umbrella
02-19-2025, 11:29 AM
ERA EVENTS
Hero of the Revolution Resigns as Commander-in-Chief: Our victorious Commander-in-Chief is humbly resigning from his military post. The eagerness to give up power only makes us want to provide more power. Nathanael Greene (B2) resigns, gains Integrity and Celebrity. +50 points to R1, R2, B1, B2, B3, B5, -50 points to B4.
Religious Freedom Established in Virginia: VA gains +3 EVs in next census. +50 points to R3, B4.
Foreign/Military Chair Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) selects Richard Montgomery (B5) as Senior General. +25 points to B5.
Not a lot of events left for this era, especially with the Revolutionary War ending as quickly as it did. Nathanael Greene made the most of his quick stint as Senior General. Montgomery isn't the strongest general, so hopefully no new wars get started soon.
JonInMiddleGA
02-19-2025, 01:56 PM
Nathanael Greene made the most of his quick stint as Senior General.
I might be able to dig in the thread(s) and find the answer, but I'm lazy so I'll just ask: Greene was a legit Revolutionary War hero/leader in real life, did that determine/influence his starting role in the game or is this RNG serendipity at work?
edit to add: Question #2 -- why did his stepping down dock B4 50 points?
Umbrella
02-19-2025, 05:39 PM
I might be able to dig in the thread(s) and find the answer, but I'm lazy so I'll just ask: Greene was a legit Revolutionary War hero/leader in real life, did that determine/influence his starting role in the game or is this RNG serendipity at work?
As you said, he was a general in real life, so he started the game with a military rating of 4. Since he was named to Senior General after the war ended, he ended up getting picked since he is still a solid general, and was in the same faction as the person who did the picking. More political than ability. Interestingly, Greene started in R3 faction, but switched sides because he's a moderate, and they hated (and still do to some extent) the red side. If he didn't switch, he probably wouldn't have been promoted. Pretty lucky for him all the way around.
edit to add: Question #2 -- why did his stepping down dock B4 50 points?
B4 is the Military-Industrial lobby, and they didn't like the Senior General stepping down.
Umbrella
02-19-2025, 05:45 PM
LINGERING PHASE
Lingering meters: No changes.
Shift towards center: Domestic Stability -1 (5, now crisis), UK relations +1 (5), Liberal enthusiasm +1 to red (decent blue), Moderate enthusiasm +1 to red (high blue), Conservative enthusiasm +1 to red (lean blue).
Cabinet effects: Secretary of Treasury Robert Morris adds +1 to Revenue/Budget (2). Secretary of State Henry Laurens adds -1 to Spanish relations (4). Postmaster General Richard Peters adds +1 to Domestic Stability (6, out of crisis).
Corruption: no change.
Because UK relations are now at neutral, Boycott British Goods is automatically repealed. +300 points to B3, B4, +100 points to R2, +50 points to R4, -1200 points to B1, -500 points to B2, R5, -200 points to B5, -250 points to R3.
Umbrella
02-19-2025, 05:46 PM
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
CT, MA, MD, RI lead Maritime. MA, NH, PA lead Manufacturing. NY leads finance. SC leads Plantation. VA leads Agriculture. +400 to B2 +300 to B3, +100 to B1, B5, R3.
CT Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Maritime). Fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Manufacturing).
DE Richard Bassett (B3) Encourages settlement on native lands. +400 points to B2, +100 points to B3, B5.
GA Edward Telfair (B4) passes two-term limits for Governor. +100 points to B1.
MA John Hancock (B2) Encourages settlement on native lands. +400 points to B2, +100 points to B3, B5.
MD Robert Bowie (B2) fails to pass two-term limits for Gov.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) Establishes State Bank. +100 points to B2, B3, B4, R2, R4.
NH John Langdon (B5) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Agriculture).
NJ Richard Howell (R2) improves Burgeoning Industry. Agriculture to 2.
NY George Clinton (B3) improves Burgeoning Industry. Maritime to 2.
PA George Bryan (B1) fails to pass Abolish Slavery.
RI John Collins (B3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Manufacturing).
SC Alexander Gillon (B3) fails to Encourage settlement on native lands.
VA John Page (B2) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Agriculture).
Umbrella
02-19-2025, 05:51 PM
Either there was a rule change since the last time I've done this phase, or I've been doing it wrong from the start. Probably the latter. I realized that proposers of bills have to propose a bill that corresponds to their committee. It makes sense, but I haven't been following that rule. I will starting now.
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non crisis spending bill. Rev/Budget, Mil Prep all in crisis.
John Patten (B3) chooses not to propose anything.
Samuel Allyne Otis (B2) proposes to Move Capital to Boston (spending) Domestic
Josiah Bartlett (B1) chooses not to propose anything.
Samuel Adams (B1) chooses not to propose anything.
Samuel Johnston (R3) cannot propose anything.
Philip Key (B5) chooses not to propose anything.
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Domestic committee: Move capital to Boston passes 5-4.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
Move capital to Boston fails 5-6 with 2 states abstaining. +950 points to B3, +800 points to R5, +550 points to B5, +250 points for B4, +200 points to R2, +150 points to R1, -100 points to B1, -150 points to B2, R4.
Because of the new limitations regarding proposals, very few happened this term. I wonder how different the game would be if I had been following that all along, but that would impossible to go back and fix.
JonInMiddleGA
02-20-2025, 06:10 AM
B4 is the Military-Industrial lobby, and they didn't like the Senior General stepping down.
Thanks.
The potential for this if the computer version gets across the finish line feels pretty strong for me, so getting a better understanding of the nuances at work adds a little extra entertainment for me :)
Umbrella
02-20-2025, 08:41 AM
Thanks.
The potential for this if the computer version gets across the finish line feels pretty strong for me, so getting a better understanding of the nuances at work adds a little extra entertainment for me :)
Totally agree. There's a lot of the "under the hood" stuff going on that I don't mention in these reports. One of the conditions of being a playtester is that I can't reveal these "under the hood" things just yet. I'm hoping when the game comes out (whenever that is) that there is an in-game document with all the rules so the players can make good decisions and develop their own strategies.
Even so, the rules can get complicated at times, as evidenced by the fact I missed a very important rule about who can propose bills. One of the things I am working on is finding ambiguities and/or conflicts within the rules, especially when it comes to the computer player.
When points are assigned for events and laws, just assume that they are based on the faction personalities. Also, laws that affect industries will help/penalize factions with politicians from those states leading in that industry.
Umbrella
02-20-2025, 05:36 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: Incumbent Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) chooses not to run. R2 nominates Roger Sherman. R3 nominates Samuel Huntington. R4 nominates Oliver Wolcott Sr. Huntington wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Thomas Chittenden. With no other nominees, Chittenden wins the Blue nomination. Huntington wins the general election. +100 points to R3.
DE: Incumbent Richard Bassett (B3) chooses not to run. R1 nominates Thomas McKean. R2 nominates Thomas Collins. R3 nominates Caesar Rodney. R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr. Bedford Sr wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Caleb P Bennett. With no other nominees, Bennett wins the Blue nomination. Bedford Sr wins general election. +100 points to R4. Bedford Sr gains Education.
GA: Incumbent Edward Telfair (B4) is term limited. R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch. R5 nominates Button Gwinnett. Bulloch wins the Red nomination. B3 nominates John Milton. With no other nominees, Milton wins the Blue nomination. Milton wins the general election. +100 points to B3. Milton gains +1 Gov (3).
MA: R2 nominates William Heath. R3 nominates John Adams. R5 nominates William Cushing. Cushing wins Red nomination. B1 nominates James Sullivan. B2 nominates John Hancock (incumbent). Hancock wins the Blue nomination. Cushing wins general election. +100 points to R5, -500 points to B2.
MD: R2 nominates Thomas Johnson. R4 nominates William Paca. Paca wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Robert Bowie (incumbent). Bowie is unopposed so wins the Blue nomination. Bowie wins the general election. +100 points to B2. Bowie gains Technology.
NC: R3 nominates Samuel Johnston. R5 nominates Alexander Martin. Samuel Johnston wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Richard Caswell (incumbent). B4 nominates John Baptista Ashe. Caswell wins Blue nomination. Caswell wins general election. +100 points to B2. Caswell gains +1 Gov (3), Housing, Controversial, Iron Fist.
NH: R2 nominates John Sullivan. With no other nominees, Sullivan wins Red nomination. B1 nominates Josiah Bartlett. B5 nominates John Langdon (incumbent). Bartlett wins Blue nomination. Langdon wins general election. +100 points to B5. Langdon gains +1 Gov (3), Transportation. Sullivan gains -1 in all elections for 6 years.
NJ: R2 nominates Richard Howell (incumbent). Howell wins the Red nomination. B4 nominates John Lambert. With no other nominees, Lambert wins Blue nomination. Howell wins general election. +100 points to R2. Howell gains Foreign Affairs. Lambert gains -1 in all elections for 6 years.
NY: Incumbent George Clinton (B3) chooses not to run. R1 nominates James Duane. With no other nominees, Duane wins Red nomination. B3 nominates William Floyd. B4 nominates Jeremiah Van Rennselaer. Van Rennselaer wins Blue nomination. Van Rennselaer wins general election. +100 points to B4. Van Rennselaer loses Obscure.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed. R3 nominates John Bayard. R4 nominates William Moore. Reed wins Red nomination. B1 nominates George Bryan (incumbent). B5 nominates Samuel Maclay. Bryan wins Blue nomination. Bryan wins general election. +100 points to B1. Bryan gains +1 Gov (2), Technology.
RI: Incumbent John Collins (B3) chooses not to run. R1 nominates William Bradford. R2 nominates William Greene Jr. Bradford wins Red nomination. No other Blue nominations, so Bradford wins general election. +100 points to R1.
SC: R4 nominates William Moultrie. R5 nominates Thomas Bee. Moultrie wins Red nomination. B3 nominates Alexander Gillon (incumbent). With no other nominees, Gillon wins Blue nomination. Gillon wins general election. +100 points to B3. Gillon gains +1 Gov (2), Foreign Affairs.
VA: R3 nominates Abner Nash. R4 nominates James Wood. Nash wins Red nomination. B2 nominates John Page (incumbent). B4 nominates Patrick Henry. B5 nominates George Mason. Henry wins Blue nomination. Henry wins general election. +100 points to B4, -500 point to B2.
Some powerhouse long time incumbents didn't run this time, so we got some new faces in the governors. NC is now the only state to have only elected one person. MA is proving to be a bit chaotic, as they have now already elected their fourth governor in six elections. Red was able to pick up three seats this election, but are still down 8-5.
Umbrella
02-21-2025, 12:17 PM
CONTINENTAL CONGRESS SELECTIONS
CT: Samuel Huntington (R3) selects Roger Sherman (R2), Thomas Chittenden (B2), and William Samuel Johnson (R1).
DE: Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) selects Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) and Thomas McKean (R1).
GA: John Milton (B3) selects Edward Telfair (B4) and James Armstrong (R2).
MA: William Cushing (R5) selects Theodore Sedgwick (R5), Nathaniel Gorham (R4), Benjamin Goodhue (R5), and Jonathan Mason (R2).
MD: Robert Bowie (B2) selects Thomas Stone (B5), James Lloyd (R2), Michael Jenifer Stone (B4), and Gabriel Christie (B3).
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) selects Samuel Ashe (B2), Robert Howe (B3), and Hugh Williamson (B1).
NH : John Langdon (B5) selects Nicholas Gilman (B3) and William Whipple (R2).
NJ: Richard Howell (R2) selects Abraham Clark (R1), Elias Boudinot (B1), and William Livingston (R2).
NY: Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B3) selects Philip Livingston (B5), George Clinton (B3), and William Floyd (B3).
PA: George Bryan (B1) selects Thomas Scott (B5), Samuel Maclay (B5), Robert Brown (B3), and Benjamin Chew (R4).
RI: William Bradford (R1) selects Theodore Foster (R4) and Thomas Tillinghast (R3).
SC: Alexander Gillon (B3) selects Christopher Gadsden (B3), Jacob Read (R5), and Benjamin Guerard (B3).
VA: Patrick Henry (B4) selects George Muter (B1), William Grayson (B1), Richard Henry Lee (B4), and Daniel Morgan (R3).
Blue holds a slight lead 21-18 in the congress.
Umbrella
02-21-2025, 12:20 PM
END OF TERM
Blue leads red 19,825-17,066. Faction scores in order:
B3: 8150
R5: 7169
B4: 4225
R2: 3734
B5: 3025
R3: 2766
B2: 2500
R4: 2097
B1: 1925
R1: 1300
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, CC Rep)
2. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Ambassador to UK)
3. John Adams (R3)
4. Thomas McKean (R1, Faction Leader, CC Rep)
5. George Washington (R4)
6. Richard Henry Lee (B4, CC Rep)
7. Edward Telfair (B4, CC Rep)
8. Benjamin Chew (R4, CC Rep)
9. Richard Caswell (B2, Governor of NC)
10. John Marshall (R4, Admin track)
The next term is the last of this era, which means at the end of it we will have Presidential elections, Senate selections, Representative elections, and then new events and legislation available. It feels like we're playing out the string for this last term before moving on to some new and interesting things.
Umbrella
02-21-2025, 02:57 PM
1786-1788
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER PENALTY
George Bryan (B1), Jonathan Grout (B1), Jonathan Ingersoll (B1), Anthony Wayne (B3), Joseph McMinn (B5), and James Duane (R1) lose Flipflopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Joseph Hiester (B2) fails to move from PA to NH. Samuel Nicholas (R4) moves from PA to DE.
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 James Madison fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Josiah Bartlett shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper.
B4 Thomas Tudor Tucker shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Pliable. James Monroe fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper. Joseph Calhoun fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper.
B5 Abraham B Venable shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Pliable. Matthew Lyon shifts from RW Pop to Trad; gains Flipflopper. Squire Boone shifts from RW Pop to Trad; gains Flipflopper, Two Faced, Pliable.
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Because Red Traditionalists are at lowest enthusiasm, we need to check if anyone switches parties. Nobody flips.
Ethan Allen (B1) converts William Floyd (B3).
John Hancock (B2) fails to convert William Smallwood (B3). Smallwood loses Pliable.
William Cocke (B5) fails to convert Anthony Wayne (B3).
Nathaniel Niles (B4) fails to convert Anthony Wayne (B3).
Thomas McKean (R1) fails to convert Esek Hopkins (R3). Hopkins gains Puritan. McKean fails to convert James Wood (R4).
Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) fails to convert Alexander Martin (R5). Martin gains Puritan. Trumbull Jr converts Ralph Izard (R5).
Thomas Johnson (R2) fails to convert Alfred Moore (R5). Moore gains Integrity.
Benjamin Goodhue (R5) fails to convert Esek Hopkins (R3).
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; Civil Rights; Environmentalist, Human Rights, Labor Unions, LW Media, Transportation (lost Public Education, Public Housing)
R2 Mod; none; Public Housing, Law & Order, Big Tech (lost Public Education)
R3 Cons; none; Private Education, Globalists, RW Media, Transportation (lost Nationalists, Theocrats)
R4 Mod; none; Wall Street, Public Education, Environmentalist, Public Housing, Military-Industrial, Free Trade, Welfare (gained Welfare)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists, RW Activists; Big Corporations, Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist (gained Wall Street)
B1 Mod; Civil Rights, Reformists; Public Education, Big Oil & Gas, Science, Big Tech, Transportation , Welfare (gained Big Oil & Gas, Big Tech, Transportation, Welfare)
B2 Mod; Expansionists; Environmentalist, Public Housing, Military-Industrial, Big Tech, Transportation (gained Public Housing, Military-Industrial, Big Tech, Transportation)
B3 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Big Oil & Gas, Big Pharma, Public Housing (lost Public Education, Labor Unions, Transportation, gained Big Oil & Gas)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, RW Activists; Military-Industrial
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Environmentalist
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 10:21 AM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP
B3 chooses George Clinton (B3) as CC President. +50 points to B3.
Richard Henry Lee (B4) named Economic Chair; gains Trade. +50 points to B4
Michael Jenifer Stone (B4) named Domestic Chair; gains Education. +50 points to B4.
Samuel Maclay (B5) named Judicial Chair. +50 points to B5.
Thomas Chittenden (B2) named Foreign/Military Chair; gains Naval. +50 points to B2.
Domestic Committee and gains: Hugh Williamson (B1), Elias Boudinot (B1, Media), Gabriel Christie (B3, Environment), Nicholas Gilman (B3, Housing), Abraham Clark (R1, Energy), Roger Sherman (R2, Technology), William Whipple (R2, Environment), William Livingston (R2, Media).
Economic Committee and gains: William Grayson (B1, Economics), William Floyd (B1, Business), Edward Telfair (B4, Transportation), Thomas Scott (B5, Labor), Thomas Stone (B5, Welfare), Thomas McKean (R1, Trade), William Samuel Johnson (R1), Nathaniel Gorham (R4, Labor), Theodore Sedgwick (R5, Labor).
Foreign/Military Committee and gains: George Muter (B1), Robert Brown (B3, Foreign Affairs), Robert Howe (B3, Foreign Affairs), James Lloyd (R2, Foreign Affairs), James Armstrong (R2, Foreign Affairs), Jonathan Mason (R2, Army), Theodore Foster (R4, Naval), Jacob Read (R5, Army).
Judicial Committee and gains: Samuel Ashe (B2), Christopher Gadsden (B3, Justice), Benjamin Guerard (B3), Philip Livingston (B5, Justice), Thomas Tillinghast (R3, Leadership), Daniel Morgan (R3, Justice), Thomas Fitzsimons (R4), Benjamin Chew (R4), Benjamin Goodhue (R5, Justice).
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 10:22 AM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Chooses George Bryan; loses Obscure, gains Reformist, +1 Gov (3). Known as Bryan Patriots.
B2 Keeps John Hancock; gains Charisma, Iron Fist.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; no gains.
B4 Keeps Nathaniel Niles; gains +1 Leg (4), Harmonious.
B5 Keeps William Cocke; gains +1 Cmd (2), Unlikable.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; gains +1 Cmd (3).
R2 Keeps Thomas Johnson; gains +1 Adm (4).
R3 Chooses Samuel Huntington; gains Leadership, Unlikable, Pliable. Known as Huntington Patriots.
R4 Keeps Nathaniel Gorham; gains Incoherent.
R5 Chooses Benjamin Goodhue; loses Obscure, gains Disharmonious.
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 10:25 AM
DEATH AND RETIREMENTS
B1 Ethan Allen (Faction leader from 1781-6) dies of malaria at age 48.
B2 John Hancock (Current faction leader since 1776, CC member from 1774-78, signer of Declaration of Independence, Governor of MA from 1784-6) dies of yellow fever at age 49. Samuel Allyne Otis, Elbridge Gerry, and Jospeh Bradley Varnum all lose their kingmaker.
B3 Christopher Gadsden (Current CC rep, Governor of SC from 1776-8, CC member from 1782-4) dies from unknown causes at age 62.
B4 John Hart (Governor of NJ from 1776-84, CC member from 1785-6) retires at age 73 because of personal health. Lachlan McIntosh (CC member from 1776-78, 1780-82, 1784-86, signer of Declaration of Independence, member of Constitutional Convention) retires at age 61 to become a lobbyist. Abraham Yates Jr (CC member from 1780-82 and 1784-86) dies of malaria at age 62.
B5 William Blount (Governing track) dies of malaria at age 37.
R1 William Alexander retires for family reasons at age 60. William Samuel Johnson (current CC member, CC member from 1778-80, and 1782-84) dies of yellow fever at age 59.
R2 William Livingston (current CC member, CC member from 1782-84) dies of typhoid at age 63.
R3 Esek Hopkins (Senior Admiral from 1778-1780) dies in a deadly accident at age 68.
R4 Oliver Wolcott Sr retires for family reasons at age 60. William Moultrie (CC Member from 1778-80, General in 1781) dies of unknown cause at age 56. David Rittenhouse dies of plague at age 54.
R5 Henry Laurens (current Secretary of State, CC member from 1774-76, signer of Declaration of Independence, Ambassador to Spain 1777-1783) dies of plague at age 62.
B2 names Richard Caswell as new faction leader.
CT Governor Samuel Huntington (R3) names Jonathan Trumbull Jr as CC Rep, added to Judicial committee.
NJ Governor Richard Howell (R2) names Lambart Cadwalader (B5) as CC Rep, added to Domestic committee.
SC Governor Alexander Gillon (B3) names Andrew Pickens (B3) as CC Rep, added to Economic committee.
Foreign/Military Chairman Thomas Chittenden (B2) selects William Paterson (R5, current Ambassador to France) as new Secretary of State. He chooses John Houston (R4) as new Ambassador to France. +500 points to R5, +25 points to R4. Paterson gains Army and loses Obscure, Houston gains Business.
Globalist faction (R3) upset that they didnt get either candidate. Conservative enthusiasm +1 towards Red (discontent with both parties).
Some heavy hitters kicked the bucket this term. Right as John Hancock was getting incredibly powerful, he dies, as well as the Secretary of State and three Continental Congress members.
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 05:44 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
Did you read about Richard Dobbs Spaight's speech last night? What a disaster! This speech was somehow worse than the one Spaight gave last week! Richard Dobbs Spaight (B3) gains Incoherent.
I've been looking at our younger crop of politicians, and Charles Lee is turning out to be some sort of efficiency wizard. This kid handles almost any issue like its childs' play. Charles Lee (R1) gains Efficient.
One politician is being labeled as incorruptible routinely by the media. David Brearley (R1) gains Integrity.
One politician is showing such high favorables among voters that it would be foolish for them not to run for president. Nathaniel Gorham (R4) gains +1 Cmd (2).
One politician has cloaked their entire being in the garb of the professed faith. So much so, that their rhetoric frequently condemns those of differing faiths, even if they are sometimes of the same religion. William Plumer (R3) gains Controversial.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Another politician in a powerful faction is being noted as a corrupting force. Benjamin Taliaferro (B3) gains Controversial.
ERA EVENTS
Liberty Treaty with Spain: Our negotiations with the Spain have led to the following compromise by Spanish Diplomat Diego de Gardoqui: Spain wants exclusive rights to the Mississippi River for 25 years. In exchange, they will allow American ships to trade in their European ports and in their ports in the West Indies. It is unclear if this is a fair trade or not. President George Clinton (B3) response - Spain is an Empire on its deathbed. Why give up so much for a weak ally? Stop treaty negotiations. Congress approves 12-0 (RI abstains). +100 points to R4, R5, -100 points to R3. Conservative enthusiasm shifts +1 Red (lean Red).
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 05:45 PM
LINGERING PHASE
Lingering meters: no change.
Shift towards center: Conservative enthusiasm -1 red (5).
Cabinet effects: Secretary of State William Paterson adds +1 to UK relations (6), -1 to French relations (8). Postmaster General Richard Peters adds -1 party preference to Red (4).
Corruption: no change.
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
CT, MA, MD, RI lead Maritime. MA, NH, PA lead Manufacturing. NY leads finance. SC leads Plantation. VA leads Agriculture. +200 points to R5, B3, +100 points to R3, B2, R1, B5, B1, B4.
CT Samuel Huntington (R3) Improves Burgeoning Industry. Maritime to 4, now sole leader.
DE Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) Improves Burgeoning Industry. Manufacturing to 1.
GA John Milton (B3) passes Term-limited Gov can run again after a term out of office. +100 points to B1.
MA William Cushing (R5) Improves Burgeoning Industry. Manufacturing to 3, now sole leader.
MD Robert Bowie (B2) passes 4 year terms for Govs. +100 points to B1.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) passes two-term term limits for Govs. +100 points to B1.
NH John Langdon (B5) Improves Burgeoning Industry. Manufacturing to 3, now co-leader.
NJ Richard Howell (R2) improves Burgeoning Industry. Agriculture to 3, now co-leader.
NY Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Maritime).
PA George Bryan (B1) passes Abolish Slavery. +100 points to B1, +250 points to R5.
RI William Bradford (R1) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Maritime).
SC Alexander Gillon (B3) fails to Improve Burgeoning Industry (Plantation).
VA Patrick Henry (B4) passes 4 year terms for Govs. +100 points to B1.
The governors were very successful with their actions this term.
Umbrella
02-25-2025, 05:47 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 2 non crisis spending bill. Rev/Budget, Mil Prep all in crisis. Also, after some clarification, I was doing it right originally, and anyone can propose regardless of what committee they are in.
Thomas McKean (R1) proposes Territory West of Virginia (KY) F/M.
Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) proposes Move Capitol to New York (spend) Dom.
William Floyd (B1) chooses not to propose.
William Grayson (B1) chooses not to propose.
Andrew Pickens proposes Move Capitol to Charleston (spend) Dom
Benjamin Chew (R4) chooses not to propose.
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Foreign/Military committee passes Territory West of Virginia (KY) 9-0.
Domestic committee chair Micheal Jenifer Stone (B4) blocks Move Capital to New York. Move capital to Charleston fails in committee 2-7.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING AND RESULTS
Create Territory West of Virginia (KY) passes 13-0. +400 points to B3, +100 points to B2, B5, R1, R5. Kentucky is now an official territory.
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Mod +1 Blue for most points gained by dominant party. Mod/Cons/Trad goes -1 Blue for least points from dominant party. LW Pop/Lib/Prog/Mod/Cons/Trad go +1 Blue for most points on opposition party. Mod/Cons goes -2 Red for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: LW Pop +1 Blue (High Blue), Prog +1 Blue (High Blue), Lib +1 Blue (High Blue), Mod -1 Blue (Decent Blue), Con -2 Blue (Decent Red).
Umbrella
03-06-2025, 09:17 AM
This is on hold for just a little bit. The next thing that is supposed to happen is presidential elections, but there is some unclarity on how the first one is supposed to work.
Umbrella
03-13-2025, 03:25 PM
I'm still not sure I did this correctly, but we're going to go with it.
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Since party leaders dont exist yet, the faction with the most kingmakers acts. For Blue, there was a tie, and B2 was picked at random. B2 nominates George Clinton (B3) for president and William Cocke (B5) as VP. All other factions concur. For Red, R4 has the most kingmakers, and nominates Nathaniel Gorham (R4) for president, and Caesar Rodney (R3) for VP. All other factions concur.
CT: R3 has most kingmakers, and chooses Gorham and Rodney.
DE: No kingmakers, so Governor (R4) chooses Gorham and Rodney.
GA: R4 has most kingmakers, and chooses Gorham and Rodney.
MA: No kingmakers, so Governor (R5) chooses Gorham and Rodney
MD: No kingmakers, so Governor (B2) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
NC: B5 has most kingmakers, and chooses Clinton and Cocke.
NH: No kingmakers, so Governor (B5) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
NJ: No kingmakers, so Governor (R2) chooses Gorham and Rodney.
NY: 3 way kingmaker tie, so Governor (B3) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
PA: 3 way kingmaker tie, so Governor (B1) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
RI: No kingmakers, so Governor (R1) chooses Gorham and Rodney.
SC: No kingmakers, so Governor (B3) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
VA: 2 way kingmaker tie, so Governor (B4) chooses Clinton and Cocke.
Final tally: Gorham 6, Rodney 6, Clinton 7, Cocke 7. Clinton wins presidency, and Cocke wins Vice Presidency. +1000 points to B3, +500 points to B5, -500 points to R3, R4. Clinton is now the Blue party leader.
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03-13-2025, 03:27 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: R3 nominates Samuel Huntington (incumbent). No other nominees, so Huntington wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Thomas Chittenden. No other nominees, so Chittenden wins Blue nomination. Huntington wins general election; gains +1 Adm (1). +100 points to R3.
DE: R1 nominates Thomas McKean. R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr (incumbent). Bedford Sr wins Red nomination. B2 nominates Caleb P Bennett. No other nominees, so Bennett wins Blue nomination. Bedford Sr wins general election; gains Business. +100 points to R4.
MA: R5 nominates William Cushing (incumbent). No other nominees, so Cushing wins Red nomination. B1 nominates James Sullivan. B2 nominates Elbridge Gerry. Sullivan wins the Blue nomination. Cushing wins general election; gains Transportation, loses Obscure. +100 points to R5.
MD: R2 nominates Thomas Johnson. R4 nominates William Paca. Paca wins the Red nomination. B2 nominates Robert Bowie (incumbent). Bowie is unopposed so wins the Blue nomination. Bowie wins the general election; gains Army. +100 points to B2. Paca gains -1 in elections for next 6 years.
NH: R2 nominates John Sullivan. With no other nominees, Sullivan wins Red nomination. B5 nominates John Langdon (incumbent). No other nominees, so Langdon wins Blue nomination. Langdon wins general election. +100 points to B5.
NJ: R2 nominates Richard Howell (incumbent). No other nominees, so Howell wins the Red nomination. B4 nominates John Lambert. With no other nominees, Lambert wins Blue nomination. Howell wins general election; gains Economics. +100 points to R2.
NY: R1 nominates James Duane. With no other nominees, Duane wins Red nomination. B4 nominates Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (incumbent). No other nominees, so Van Rennselaer wins Blue nomination. Van Rennselaer wins general election; gains Welfare. +100 points to B4.
PA: R2 nominates Joseph Reed. R3 nominates Benjamin Huntington. R4 nominates Thomas Willing. Willing wins Red nomination. B5 nominates Samuel Maclay. No other nominees, so Maclay wins Blue nomination. Maclay wins general election. +100 points to B5.
RI: R1 nominates William Bradford. No other nominees, so Bradford wins Red nomination. No other Blue nominations, so Bradford wins general election; gains +1 Adm (1), Naval. +100 points to R1.
SC: R4 nominates John Rutledge. R5 nominates Thomas Bee. Bee wins Red nomination. B3 nominates Alexander Gillon (incumbent). With no other nominees, Gillon wins Blue nomination. Bee wins general election; gains +1 Gov (3), +1 Adm (1), Education, loses Obscure. +100 points to R5, -500 points to B3.
VA: R3 nominates Abner Nash. R4 nominates James Wood. Wood wins Red nomination. B4 nominates Patrick Henry (incumbent). No other nominees, so Henry wins Blue nomination. Henry wins general election; gains Economics, loses Obscure. +100 points to B4.
Blue still has a slight lead, 7-6, in governors.
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03-13-2025, 03:28 PM
SENATE APPOINTMENTS
At this point in US history, Senators are appointed by the governors of the state.
CT: Samuel Huntington (R3) appoints Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) and Silas Deane (R3, gains +1 Adm(3)). +200 points to R3.
DE: Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) appoints Thomas Fitzsimons (R4) and George Read (R3). +100 points to R3, R4.
GA: John Milton (B3) appoints Edward Telfair (B4) and James Armstrong (R2, gains +1 Leg (2), +1 Adm (1)). +100 points to B4, R2.
MA: William Cushing (R5) appoints Theodore Sedgwick (R5) and John Lowell (R5). +200 points to R5.
MD: Robert Bowie (B2) appoints William Smith (B3, gains +1 Adm (3)) and Philip Key (B5). +100 points to B3, B5.
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) appoints Samuel Ashe (B2) and Cornelius Harnett (B3). +100 points to B2, B3.
NH: John Langdon (B5) appoints Nicholas Gilman (B3) and Josiah Bartlett (B1, +1 Leg (4)). +100 points to B1, B3.
NJ: Richard Howell (R2) appoints Abraham Clark (R1) and Francis Hopkinson (R1, +1 Leg (2), +1 Adm (3)). +200 points to R1.
NY: Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B4) appoints William Floyd (B1) and William Montgomery (B1, +1 Leg (2)). +200 points to B1.
PA: Samuel Maclay (B5) appoints Thomas Scott (B5, +1 Adm (3)) and Robert Brown (B3, +1 Leg (3), +1 Adm (1)). +100 points to B3, B5.
RI: William Bradford (R1) appoints Thomas Tillinghast (R3, +1 Leg (3), +1 Adm (1)) and Theodore Foster (R4). +100 points to R3, R4.
SC: Thomas Bee (R5) appoints Jacob Read (R5, +1 Adm (1)) and Ralph Izard (R3). +100 points to R3, R5.
VA: Patrick Henry (B4) appoints Richard Henry Lee (B4, +1 Adm (1)) and Cyrus Griffin (B4, +1 Adm (1)). +200 points to B4.
Senate is split right down the middle, 13-13.
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03-13-2025, 03:32 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ELECTIONS
In this game, a representative actually represents anywhere from one to five representatives. So a state with two slots has between six and ten representatives.
CT-1: R2 nominates Roger Sherman. R3 nominates Amasa Learned. R4 nominates Andrew Adams. B1 nominates William Williams. B3 nominates John Hiester. Roger Sherman (R2) wins election. +50 points to R2.
DE-1: R2 nominates Thomas Collins. B3 nominates Richard Bassett. B4 nominates Jacob Broom. Jacob Broom (B4) wins election. +50 points to B4.
GA-1: R3 nominates James Jones. R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch. R5 nominates George Mathews. George Mathews (R5) wins election.
MA-1: R1 nominates Robert Treat Paine. R2 nominates Jonathan Mason. R3 nominates John Adams. R4 nominates Tristram Dalton. R5 nominates Benjamin Goodhue. B1 nominates John Williston. B2 nominates Samuel Allyne Otis. Tristram Dalton (R4) wins election. +50 points to R4.
MA-2: R1 nominates Shearjashub Bourne. R2 nominates William Heath. R5 nominates Samuel Sewell. B1 nominates Samuel Adams. B2 nominates Joseph Bradley Varnum. Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) wins election. +50 points to B2.
MD-1: R1 nominates Daniel Carroll. R2 nominates Benjamin Stoddert. R3 nominates Robert H Harrison. B3 nominates Gabriel Christie. B5 nominates Thomas Stone. Gabriel Christie (B3) wins election. +50 points to B3.
MD-2: R1 nominates Upton Sheredine. R2 nominates James Lloyd. R3 nominates Charles Carroll of Carrollton. R5 nominates William Hindman. B3 nominates William Smallwood. B4 nominates Michael Jenifer Stone. William Smallwood (B3) wins election. +50 points to B3.
NC-1: R1 nominates William Hooper. R3 nominates Samuel Johnston. R5 nominates Alexander Martin. B1 nominates Hugh Williamson. B3 nominates Robert Howe. B4 nominates Timothy Bloodworth. B5 nominates Pleasant Gardens McDowell. Pleasant Gardens McDowell (B5) wins election. +50 points to B5.
NH-1: R1 nominates Abiel Foster. R2 nominates William Whipple. R4 nominates Simeon Olcott. R5 nominates Paine Wingate. Paine Wingate (R5) wins election. +50 points to R5.
NJ-1: B1 nominates Elias Boudinot. B2 nominates Aaron Kitchell. B3 nominates James Linn. B5 nominates Lambert Cadwalader. James Linn (B3) wins election. +50 points to B3.
NY-1: R1 nominates Peter Van Gaasbeck. R4 nominates William Stephens Smith. R5 nominates Philip Schuyler. B1 nominates Egbert Benson. B2 nominates James Clinton. James Clinton (B2) wins election. +50 points to B2.
NY-2: R2 nominates Richard Morris. R4 nominates Walter Livingston. R5 nominates Lewis Morris. B2 nominates Theodorus Bailey. B5 nominates Philip Livingston. Theodorus Bailey (B2) wins election. +50 points to B2.
PA-1: R1 nominates John W Kittera. R2 nominates George Ross. R4 nominates George Clymer. B1 nominates Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine (B1) wins election. +50 points to B1.
PA-2: R1 nominates Charles Willson Peale. R3 nominates John Bayard. R4 nominates Benjamin Chew. B1 nominate George Bryan. B2 nominates Andrew Gregg. George Bryan (B1) wins election. +50 points to B1.
RI-1: B2 nominates Joseph Stanton Jr. B3 nominates John Collins. Joseph Stanton Jr (B2) wins election. +50 points to B2.
SC-1: R2 nominates John Hunter. B3 nominates Andrew Pickens. B5 nominates Thomas Sumter. Thomas Sumter (B5) wins election. +50 points to B5.
VA-1: R1 nominates Arthur Lee. R3 nominates Daniel Morgan. R4 nominates John Crittenden Sr. R5 nominates Henry Lee II. B2 nominates Horatio Gates. B4 nominates Carter Braxton. B5 nominates Theodorick Bland. Theodorick Bland (B5) wins election. +50 points to B5.
VA-2: R2 nominates John Parke Custis. R4 nominates George Washington. B1 nominates William Grayson. B2 nominates John Page. B3 nominates Peyton Randolph. B4 nominates Thomas Barbour. B5 nominates George Mason. William Grayson (B1) wins election. +50 points to B1.
Blue ended up with a super majority, 50 seats to 15. Blue holds the tiebreaker in the senate (VP), so they control the executive branch and both the house and the senate.
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03-13-2025, 03:39 PM
END OF TERM
Blue leads red 24,675-19,391. Faction scores in order (reverse order for next draft):
B3: 9450
R5: 8769
B4: 4975
B5: 4225
R2: 3984
B2: 3050
B1: 2975
R3: 2866
R4: 2072
R1: 1700
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, President)
2. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Ambassador to UK)
3. John Adams (R3)
4. Richard Henry Lee (B4, VA Senator)
5. Thomas McKean (R1, Faction Leader)
T6. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, CT Senator)
T6. Edward Telfair (B4, GA Senator)
8. George Washington (R4)
9. Richard Caswell (B2, Governor of NC)
10. Patrick Henry (B4, Governor of VA)
This marks the end of the Era of Independence. The Era of Federalism begins next term, which will introduce new events, new legislation options, and other differences in gameplay. We now have a president and congress, so things will be different in the next era. Blue is currently in control, but voter preferences will change, both for parties and ideologies, depending on the state.
The 1788 draft looks to be very weak. Albert Gallatin is the highest rated member, and he wasn't born in America. After him it's a bunch of mediocrity.
I'm not expecting many game changers from this draft, but with a little luck, maybe someone could surprise us.
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03-18-2025, 10:43 AM
1788 DRAFT
Top picks and draft order:
R1 Oliver Wolcott Jr, gains +1 Gov (3)
R4 Jonathan Dayton, gains +1 Mil (1)
R3 Elizur Goodrich
B1 Ezra Butler
B2 Albert Gallatin
R2 Bushrod Washington
B5 William B Giles
B4 Philemon Thomas
R5 James Ross
B3 George Madison
George Baer Jr (R1) gains Manipulative, John Clark (R4) gains Lackey, James Breckinridge (R1) gains Crisis Manager.
Buckner Thruston (B1) gets MD, Edward Preble (R2) gets CT, and Montford Stokes (B5) gets RI as alternate states.
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03-18-2025, 10:45 AM
CAREER TRACK
B1 Ezra Butler to Legis, Wilson Cary Nicholas to Gov, Michael Leib to Private, Buckner Thruston to Judicial, Jacob Hufty to Backroom, Francois Xavier Martin to Admin, John Chandler to Military. Thomas Lynch Jr removed from Mil after 12 years; gains +1 Mil (2), Army. John Smith (NY) removed from Private after 8 years; gains +1 Leg (2), Foreign Affairs. Samuel Bryan removed from Admin after 4 years; gains Healthcare
B2 Albert Gallatin to Backroom, Richard A Buckner to Legis, Thomas Kirker to Gov, William Jones to Private, John Breckinridge to Admin, Matthias Corwin to Military, William Temple Franklin fails to go to Judicial. John Hathorn removed from Private after 12 years; gains +1 Adm (1), +1 Gov (1), Energy. Morgan Lewis removed from Admin after 8 years; gains +1 Adm (2), Labor.
B3 James Fisk to Legis, George Madison to Gov, Nahum Parker to Private, Isaac Wilbour to Judicial, Elijah Boardman to Military, William Helms to Backroom.
B4 Philemon Thomas to Gov, Francis T Brooke to Backroom, Walter Leake to Judicial, Robert Brooke to Private, Paul Hamilton to Admin, Philip Reed to Legis. Joseph Calhoun removed from Military after 12 years; gains +2 Mil (3), Naval. Pierpont Edwards removed from Judicial after 12 years; gains +2 Jud (3).
B5 William B Giles to Legis, Jesse Franklin to Private, William Smith to Admin, Stevens Thomson Mason to Backroom, Montford Stokes to Judicial, Jacques Villere to Gov. Francis Willis removed from Military after 16 years; gains +2 Mil (3), Iron Fist. David Hall removed from Gov after 8 years; gains +1 Gov (2), Education.
R1 Oliver Wolcott Jr to Gov, James Breckinridge to Military, George Baer Jr to Private, Martin Chittenden to Legis, Clifton Clagett to Judicial, Edward St Loe Livermore to Backroom, John Rutherfurd to Admin. Alexander C Hanson Sr removed from Private after 12 years; gains +1 Gov (1), +1 Leg (1), Transportation, Celebrity, loses Obscure.
R2 Bushrod Washington to Judicial, Charles C Ridgely to Gov, Robert Barnwell to Military, Edward Preble to Admin, Philip Stuart to Legis, John Culpepper to Private. John Barclay removed from Judicial after 12 years; gains +1 Jud (2), Justice. William Tilghman removed from Backroom after 4 years; gains +1 Adm (1), Education.
R3 Elizur Goodrich to Gov, Simeon Baldwin to Judicial, Roger Griswold to Backroom, Daniel Blaisdell to Private, Lewis B Sturges to Legis, Humphrey Marshall to Military, Asher Robbins fails to go to Admin. Edward Hand removed from Private after 16 years; gains +1 Adm (1), +1 Gov (2), Energy, Naval.
R4 Jonathan Dayton to Legis, William Coxe Jr to Gov, Lewis R Morris to Judicial, Artemas Ward Jr to Private, John Clark to Military, Killian Van Rensselaer to Backroom, Jacobus James Roosevelt III to Admin. Joshua Clayton removed from Military after 16 years; gains +2 Mil (3), Naval, Unlikable.
R5 James Ross to Gov, Samuel Dexter to Legis, Jonathan O Mosely to Admin, Richard Bland Lee to Private, Samuel W Dana to Backroom. Charles Coatesworth Pinckney removed from Admin after 16 years; gains +3 Adm (5), Welfare. Jared Ingersoll removed from Legis after 12 years; gains +2 Leg (3), Welfare. Edward Rutledge removed from Backroom after 12 years; gains +1 Adm (1), Education, Kingmaker, Uncharasmatic.
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03-19-2025, 10:04 AM
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER PENALTY
James Madison (B1), James Warren (B1), Thomas Chittenden (B2), James Jackson (B3), Thomas Mason (B4), Matthew Lyon (B5), and George Washington (R4) all lose flip flopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
Beverley Randolph (B3) moves from VA to KY. William Paca (R4) fails to move from MD to KY.
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03-19-2025, 10:06 AM
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
With the new era, states now have preferred ideology, so we'll see a lot more activity in this phase.
B1 James Madison fails to shift from Cons to Mod. Jonathan Grout shifts from Mod to Cons. Jonathan Ingersoll fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper.
B2 James Wilkinson shifts from Mod to Cons. Caleb P Bennett shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Thomas Chittenden fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. John Rhea fails to shift from Mod to Cons. Samuel Allyne Otis shifts from Mod to Cons.
B3 Nicholas Gilman fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Benjamin Howland shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. John Hiester shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Collins fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. Isaac Wilbour fails to shift from Mod to Cons. Benjamin Taliaferro shifts from Mod to Cons. Benjamin Guerard fails to shift from Mod to Cons. George Madison shifts from Cons to Trad.
B4 Jacob Broom shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Jeremiah Van Rennselaer shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Robert Brooke shifts from Cons to Trad.
B5 Benjamin Pierce fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. David Hall fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. Monfort Stokes fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
R1 Edward St Loe Livermore fails to shift from Mod to Cons. Dudley Saltonstall shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. David Hough shifts from Mod to Cons. Jonathan Freeman shifts from Mod to Cons. Clifton Clagett fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Two Faced. Tench Coxe shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper.
R2 Edward Preble shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. William Whipple fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. James Lloyd shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable.
R3 Amasa Learned shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Richard Potts shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Richard Taylor fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable.
R4 Francis Malbone shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Samuel Nicholas fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. James Wood shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper.
R5 Samuel Sewell shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. William Paterson shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Pliable. John Taylor Gilman shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Benedict Arnold shifts from Trad to Cons; gains Flipflopper.
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03-19-2025, 10:07 AM
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Because Red Traditionalists are at lowest enthusiasm, we need to check if anyone switches parties. Nobody flips.
Blue party Leader George Clinton (B3) convinces Alexander Martin (R5) to switch parties and join his faction.
Thomas McKean (R1) converts John Culpepper (R2).
Samuel Huntington (R3) fails to convert Alfred Moore (R5). Moore loses Pliable.
George Bryan (B1) fails to convert John Collins (B3). Collins gains Integrity.
Richard Caswell (B2) fails to convert John Collins (B3).
Thomas Johnson (R2) fails to convert John Taylor Gilman (R5).
William Cocke (B5) fails to convert John Collins (B3). Collins loses Pliable.
Benjamin Goodhue (R5) fails to convert James Lloyd (R2).
George Clinton (B3) fails to convert Thomas Sumter (B5). Fails to convert Francis Willis (B5). Willis gains Integrity. Fails to convert Gabriel Duvall (B5). Duvall gains Disharmonious.
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03-19-2025, 10:09 AM
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
Samuel Huntington (R3) takes on Uriah Tracy (R3) as protιgι. Tracy gains Labor, Leadership, +1 Jud (1).
Edward Rutledge (R5) takes on Thomas Bee (R5) as protιgι. Bee gain +1 Mil (1), Army, Uncharismatic.
FACTION PERSONALITIES
R1 Lib/Mod; Civil Rights; Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist, Human Rights, Labor Unions, LW Media, Transportation (lost LW Pop, Prog, gained Big Oil & Gas)
R2 Mod; none; Private Education, Environmentalist, Big Tech (gained Environmentalist, lost Public Housing, Law & Order)
R3 Cons; Nationalists; Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Law & Order, RW Media (gained Nationalists, Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Law & Order, lost Globalists, Transportation)
R4 Mod; Expansionists; Big Corporations, Wall Street, Public Education, Environmentalist, Military-Industrial, Free Trade (gained Expansionists, Big Corporations, lost Public Housing, Welfare)
R5 Cons/Trad; Nationalists; Wall Street, Big Oil & Gas, Isolationists, Protectionist (lost RW Activists, Big Corporations)
B1 LW Pop/Prog/Lib/Mod; Civil Rights, LW Activists, Reformists; Science, Welfare (gained LW Pop, Prog, Lib, LW Activists, lost Public Education, Big Oil & Gas, Big Tech, Transportation)
B2 Mod; Expansionists; Big Oil & Gas, Military-Industrial (gained Big Oil & Gas, lost Environmentalist, Public Housing, Big Tech, Transportation)
B3 Mod; Expansionists, Theocrats; Big Agriculture, Big Oil & Gas, Environmentalist, Globalists, Big Pharma, Public Housing, Law & Order (gained Theocrats, Environmentalist, Globalists, Law & Order)
B4 Cons/Trad; Theocrats, RW Activists; Isolationists, Protectionist (gained Isolationists, Protectionist, lost Military-Industrial)
B5 Mod; Expansionists; Big Agriculture, Environmentalist
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03-19-2025, 10:10 AM
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS ELECTED
For Speaker of the House, B1 nominates George Bryan (B1), B2 nominates Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2), R2 nominates Roger Sherman (R2). First round of voting: Bryan 39, Sherman 15, Varnum 11. Bryan has 60% of the vote, and is elected Speaker. Bryan gains +1 Leg (2), Manipulative. +500 points to B1.
For Senate President Pro Tempore, B1 nominates Josiah Bartlett (B1), B3 nominates William Smith (B3), B4 nominates Richard Henry Lee (B4), R4 nominates Thomas Fitzsimons (R4). First round of voting: Bartlett 4, Lee 3, Fitzsimons 13, Smith 6. Fitzsimons has exactly 50%, so Lee is removed and voting happens again. Second round of voting: Bartlett 8, Fitzsimons 13, Smith 5. Fitzsimons has exactly 50%, so Smith is removed and voting happens again. Third round of voting: Bartlett 13, Fitzsimons 13. Neither has a majority so voting continues. Fourth round of voting: Bartlett 12, Fitzsimons 14. Fitzsimons elected Senate President Pro Tempore. +100 points to R4.
George Bryan names Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) as House Foreign/Military Chair. +50 points to B2.
George Bryan names William Grayson (B1) as House Economic Chair; gains Transportation. +50 points to B1.
George Bryan names Thomas Paine (B1) as House Judicial Chair; gains Justice. +50 points to B1.
George Bryan names Roger Sherman (R2) as House Domestic Chair; gains Science. +50 points to R2.
House Domestic committee and gains: James Linn (B3, Media), Theodorick Bland (B5, Energy), Paine Wingate (R5, Housing).
House Economic committee and gains: Theodorus Bailey (B2, Transportation), Gabriel Christie (B3, Welfare), Thomas Sumter (B5, Business).
House Foreign/Military committee and gains: William Smallwood (B3), Jacob Broom (B4, Foreign Affairs), Pleasant Gardens McDowell (B5, Foreign Affairs), George Mathews (R5, Foreign Affairs).
House Judicial committee and gains: James Clinton (B2), Joseph Stanton Jr (B2, Justice), Tristram Dalton (R4, Justice).
Thomas Fitzsimons names Thomas Tillinghast (R3) Senate F/M Chair. Tillinghast gains +1 Cmd (1). +50 points to R3.
Thomas Fitzsimons names Theodore Sedgwick (R5) Senate Economic Chair. Sedgwick gains Leadership, +1 Cmd ()Business. +50 points to R5.
Thomas Fitzsimons names James Armstrong (R2) Senate Judicial Chair. +50 points to R2.
Thomas Fitzsimons names Abraham Clark (R1) Senate Domestic Chair. Clark gains Leadership, +1 Cmd (1). +50 points to R1.
Senate Domestic committee and gains: William Montgomery (B1, Media), William Smith (B3, Media), Cornelius Harnett (B3, Environment), Edward Telfair (B4), George Read (R3, Healthcare).
Senate Economic committee and gains: Richard Henry Lee (B4, Labor), Francis Hopkinson (R1, Trade), Theodore Foster (R4, Welfare), John Lowell (R5, Economics), Jacob Read (R5, Business).
Senate Foreign/Military committee and gains: Robert Brown (B3, Army), Nicholas Gilman (B3, Army), Cyrus Griffin (B4, Naval), Thomas Scott (B5, Naval), Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, Foreign Affairs), Silas Deane (R3, Naval).
Senate Judicial committee and gains: Josiah Bartlett (B1), William Floyd (B1, Justice), Samuel Ashe (B2), Philip Key (B5), Ralph Izard (R3).
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03-19-2025, 10:13 AM
FACTION LEADERS SELECTED
B1 Keeps George Bryan; gains Kingmaker. Known as Democrats.
B2 Keeps Richard Caswell; gains Harmonious. Known as Caswell Republicans.
B3 - Keeps George Clinton; gains Uncharismatic. Known as Moderates.
B4 Keeps Nathaniel Niles; gains +1 Cmd (2), Uncharismatic, Manipulative. Known as Republicans.
B5 Keeps William Cocke; gains +1 Cmd (3), +1 Leg (3), +1 Adm (1), Incoherent. Known as Democratic-Republicans.
R1 Keeps Thomas McKean; no gains. Known as Liberals.
R2 Chooses Roger Sherman; loses Obscure, gains +1 Gov (2), Iron Fist. Known as Moderate Federalists.
R3 Keeps Samuel Huntington; no gains. Known as Finance Federalists.
R4 Keeps Nathaniel Gorham; no gains. Known as Militant Federalists.
R5 Keeps Benjamin Goodhue; gains +1 Leg (3), +1 Gov (1). Known as Traditionalists.
PARTY LEADERS ELECTED
George Clinton (B3) is automatically blue party leader. +100 points to B3.
Thomas McKean (R1) gets 6 votes. Roger Sherman (R2) gets 2 votes. Samuel Huntington (R3) gets 6 votes. Nathaniel Gorham (R4) gets 8 votes. Benjamin Goodhue (R5) gets 7 votes. Since no candidate got over 50% of the votes, the top two candidates (Gorham and Goodhue) run against each other. R1 endorses Gorham. R2 endorses Gorham. R3 endorses Gorham. Final tally, Gorham 22, Goodhue 7. Nathaniel Gorham is elected red party leader; gains +1 Cmd (3), +3 to all primaries. +100 points to R4.
Since George Clinton has Iron Fist, he shares the Theocrat card with the rest of the blue party.
Both party leaders are from Moderate factions, so no change in ideology enthusiasm. Since Clinton is Uncharismatic, +1 Red enthusiasm (5).
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03-19-2025, 06:44 PM
DEATH AND RETIREMENTS
B1 Josiah Bartlett (Current Senator from NH, Signer of Declaration of Independence, CC Judicial Chair 1776-78, Governor of NH 1778-84, CC Member 1784-86) dies from unknown causes at age 59.
B2 Horatio Gates (General from 1780-82, CC Member 1784-86) retires to become a lobbyist. Paul Brigham (Governing track) dies in a deadly accident at age 42.
B3 William Ellery (CC Member 1776-78, 1780-82, 1784-86, Member of Constitutional Convention) is allegedly pressured out of politics and retires at age 61. Peyton Randolph dies of pneumonia at age 67. Cornelius Harnett (Current Senator from NC, Signer of Declaration of Independence, CC Member 1776-78, 1780-82) dies of malaria at age 65.
B4 Thomas Mason (Private track) dies of pneumonia at age 35.
B5 Francis Willis dies of yellow fever at age 43.
R1 Nicholas Cooke retires for unknown reasons at age 71. David Brearley (Judicial track) dies of malaria at age 43. Josiah Parker (Legis track) dies in a deadly accident at age 37.
R2 George Ross dies of yellow fever at age 58.
R3 Caesar Rodney (Signer of Declaration of Independence, CC Domestic Chair 1774-79, CC F/M Chair 1782-84, Faction leader 1776-84, failed VP candidate in 1788) dies of tuberculosis at age 60. John Bayard (CC Member 1780-82) dies of dysentery at age 50.
R4 William Paca (CC Economic Chair 1778-80, CC Judicial Chair 1782-84) dies of unknown causes at age 48. Thomas Mifflin (Governing track, protιgι of Benjamin Chew) dies of tuberculosis at age 44.
R5 Henry Lee II (CC Member 1776-78, 1780-82) dies of smallpox at age 58.
Richard Caswell (B2) appoints Robert Howe (B3) as NC Senator.
John Langdon (B5) appoints Abiel Foster (R1) as NH Senator.
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03-19-2025, 06:45 PM
RANDOM EVENTS
A leading national industry (Agriculture) request that the president use his authority to help them out. President Clinton chooses Promise the Industry to urge Congress to pass an industry-friendly bill right away. Clinton gains +1 in NJ and VA next election.
The incompetence of Robert Howe is becoming clearer every week. Friends, family, and close advisors have reportedly compelled Howe to resign all political duties effective next week. Robert Howe (B3) resigns as Senator, gains permanent -1 in all elections. Richard Caswell (B2) appoints Timothy Bloodworth (B4) as replacement.
Trade tension has been gradually escalating and has now resulted in a diplomatic war of words between diplomats of both nations. UK relations -1 (5).
A national celebrity has received some attention for publicly discussing a hypothetical presidential platform to the public. John Adams gains +1 Cmd (already at 5).
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Another politician in a powerful faction is being noted as a corrupting force. William Smith (B3) gains Controversial.
I'm not sure how many Scaramuccis Robert Howe lasted, but that may be the shortest term we'll see.
Umbrella
03-19-2025, 07:08 PM
ERA EVENTS
Buckle up, this is a long and major update.
Compromise of 1790: A backroom agreement has been made to settle the issue with assuming Rev War debts, but it needs to have the support from the president to probably gain further support. The plan is that the assumption of debt will be accepted in exchange for moving the capital to the middle of the coast. A new city, or district rather, for the central government will be built on the Potomac. It will compose of land in southern Maryland near Georgetown and land in Northern Virginia near Arlington. Philadelphia will serve as temporary capital for 10 years before the move is made to the constructed capital. President Clintons response: Accept a compromise: Make DC the eventual capital, in exchange of passing Assumption of Rev War debt legislation. +100 points to R4. +50 points to R1, R2, R3, R5, B1, B2, B3, B5. -50 points to B4. Party enthusiasm +1 Blue (4).
New England State Legislatures Abolish Slavery: New England states unify in abolishing slavery in their respective states. Slavery had been a rare occurrence in most of these states for a while. CT, MA, NH, RI abolish slavery. RW Activist gain +1 in next election nationwide. +250 points to R1, B1. Lib/Mod enthusiasm +1 Blue (Max blue/High blue).
Manufacturing Appears: This is our first step to competing with the great powers. Manufacturing brings the Industrial Age to the New World! The only drawback is that many family businesses could be destroyed in the process. CT +2, RI +1, NH +1, VT +1 EVs in the next census. +200 points to R5, +100 to R4, +50 points to B2, B4, R4.
Tribute to Pirates: The Barbary Pirates, from the coast of Northern Africa, have been demanding tribute from us for years. We either pay or they attack our ships. We have to weigh whether or not we have the naval capacity to take on these seafarers or if it is in our best interest to appease them with tribute. President Clinton chooses: Pay the tribute to prevent our shipping industry from being attacked. +100 points to R1, R2, B1, B3, B5, -100 points to R3, R5.
French Revolution: The French people have beheaded their king and our wartime friend, Louis XVI, and established a Republic. Now, they have declared war on Great Britain. The French are wishing for us to hold up to our alliance by joining in the war effort, since they had helped us out. However, economists and military experts say that our country is still too young to engage in such a risky, costly effort. Informed Americans are conflicted over this news, with those tied to banking and mercantile fields strongly desiring that we forgive and establish ties with Britain, while many support not only the French alliance but the new French Republic. Additionally, some Americans fear that France is trying to use us as a pawn in their great game against King George III. President Clinton chooses: Declare our neutrality, even if the French helped us gain our Independence. +100 points to R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, B3, B5. +1 Blue enthusiasm (3). Lib +1 Blue enthusiasm. Mod +2 Blue enthusiasm.
Federalists are Formed: A clear party has been formed around the desire of a stronger centralized government. The name most associated with this group is the Federalists. This group adheres to the philosophies of Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and other modernists hoping to complete economically and globally with the Great Powers of Europe.
Treaty with Spain (Pinckney's Treaty): Spanish Sec of State Don Manuel de Godoy is receptive to terms to strengthen their relationship with us, define our Southern and Western borders, and to define navigational rights. We are pleased to know that the Spanish seem receptive to allowing equal navigation rights to the Mississippi River. Additionally, the Spanish hope that we can reach an agreement to not incite native tribes against one another and to agree that we will protect each other's merchant vessels from other nation's. Other trade terms between nations are likely to be included. Some may despise this treaty as it may hinder any expansion, if Spain maintains strength maintains its Empire, although it seems their star is rapidly fading. President Clintons response: Refuse to sign the treaty, claim Spanish Florida. -1 Spain relations (3). +100 points to R4, B2, B5. War for Florida begins.
France Regains former French Louisiana from Spain: Napoleon's Empire now borders our country! Napoleon's brother, Lucien, following advice from foreign minister Talleyrand, has regained Louisiana for France. In exchange, Spanish Sec of State Don Manuel Godoy will receive lands in Northern Italy, which had been conquered by Napoleon. President Clintons response: This is splendid news. France is the pariah of Europe. We might be able to compel them to sell the land or take it by force if necessary. Begin expansionist discussions with advisors. +50 points to R4, B2, B3, B5.
General Napoleon Bonaparte Dominating in Europe: A Corisan-born French general is dominating the Austrian armies in Northern Italy and the headlines in papers in Paris, London, Vienna, and in NYC and Philadelphia.
Buttonwood Agreement: An agreement to set up a European-style trading system of brokers and merchants has been made at Wall Street in New York City. These stockjobbers will soon dominate our country. Add +2 to Finance in Mid-Atlantic (DE, MD, NJ, NY, PA), +1 in New England (CT, MA, RI). NY +3 EVs in next census. +50 points to R3, R4, R5, -50 points to B4, -100 points to B1. +1 to Economic Stability (already maxed at 6).
Mozart Dies: The Austrian composer, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, arguably the most talented musician of our time, has died too soon. Is this the day that music died?
Peale Considered America's Leading Painter and Naturalist: Charles Willson Peale is gaining international recognition as both an artist and as a naturalist. His portraits of the Founding Fathers are becoming especially recognizable. Charles Willson Peale (R1) gains Celebrity.
Malthus's Study on Human Population: English-scholar Thomas Malthus has published a groundbreaking study on human population. In it, he argues that the current rate of human population growth will inevitably lead to greater poverty unless the birth rate declines.
Louisiana Purchase: Napoleon is so engaged in war versus Britain and her allies that he's struggling to govern the far-stretches of his empire. Rather than risk losing French Louisiana to the British, Napoleon is desiring to sell the territory for some much needed cash to fund his wars, although his foreign minister, Talleyrand, opposes this idea. Napoleon has sent the diplomat Francois Barbe-Marbois with instructions to give the United States and offer the president can't refuse. The issue is that purchasing the territory might be unconstitutional or extra constitutional. We will have to somehow legally justify the purchase, although I doubt any major politician is going to oppose increasing the size of our territory. This will certainly set a precedence for "necessary and proper" interpretation within the Constitution. President Clintons response: Sign the Treaty even if it might be unconstitutional to do so. -1 Rev/Budget (1). -1 Spain relations (2). +750 points to B3, +500 points to B5, R4, +250 points to B1, B2, R3, -250 points to B4. President and Secretary of State pass implementation roll, but Ambassador to France John Houstoun (R4) fails. The President doesnt have any of the relevant expertise for Ambassadors. Result of blunder, Houston gains Controversial. US gains rights to LA, AR, OK, MO, CO, KS, NE, IA, ND, SD, WY, MT. -250 points to B4, B5, R1, R2, R3, R5. Mod +2 Blue enthusiasm.
Samuel Johnson is Dominant Literary Critic: Samuel Johnson, well-known for creating the first significant English-language dictionary all by himself, is now rightly regarded as the greatest literary critic of our time, especially in England. +50 points to R2, R4.
Wilkinson Affair: A senior general is being charged with neglecting his troops, many of whom have already died of a variety of diseases as they're living with defective supplies, including tents. On top of this, opponents of the general are adding that he has been a proven incompetent and is as deadly to US troops as the enemy or diseases are. However, the general armored in strong political ties at home, so much so that removing the general could be politically ruinous, even if removal is obviously justified. Benedict Arnold (R5) hit with scandal. -50 points to R4, B2. President Clintons response: Relieve the officer from command. +50 points to B1, -50 points to R4, B2. Clinton gains a permanent -1 in elections in CT. Joseph Calhoun (B4) nominated for Senior Admiral. Automatically confirmed. +50 points to B4. Mod -1 Blue enthusiasm.
Boom in Iron Ore, Flour, and Wheat in Maryland: MD +2 EVs in next census. Mining, Agriculture, and Manufacturing +1 in MD. +100 points to R4, B3, B5, +50 points to R3, R5, B2. +1 Blue enthusiasm (2). +1 Domestic Stability (7).
New Jersey Benefits from Growth of Nearby New York City: NJ +1 EVs in the next census. Manufacturing +1 in NJ. +100 points to R1, +50 points to R2, R3, R4, R5.
The Du Pont Family Opens Gun Powder Plant in Delaware: The notable Du Pont family of Delaware has opened a gunpowder plant, which has a good chance of leading the nation in gunpowder production. DE gains +1 EV in next census. +200 points to R4, +50 points to R3, B2, B4. +1 Mil Prep (already max at 4).
Middlesex Canal built: An innovative canal connecting the Merrimack River to Boston is been completed. Trade in Boston and throughout Massachusetts is certain to boom. We can expect more of these canals. If we can get all the states on board, we will be able to compete internationally with the great powers of Europe. +200 points to R5, +50 points to R1, B4. +1 Rev/Budg (2).
It's clear that Clinton's expansionist view has come into play here. We've doubled the size of our country, and got into a war with Spain over it. In addition, the industrial revolution has started a bit early in the US. Napoleon is going nuts in Europe, which already has had an effect here domestically. I'm concerned about the war, since we don't have a standing army or navy right now.
Umbrella
03-20-2025, 10:19 AM
LINGERING PHASE
Planet Health drops to 8 (maxed for > 4 years).
Rolls: Rev/Budg -1 (1). Mil/Prep -1 (3).
Move towards middle: Spanish relations +1 (3). LW Pop enthusiasm +1 to red (3). Cons enthusiasm +1 to blue (6).
Cabinet effects: Secretary of State -1 French relations (7). Senior General -1 Mil/Prep (2).
War effects: -1 Rev/Budg (already at 1), -1 Quality of Life (3).
Corruption: +2 Honest Govt (already 9).
Having Military Prep dropping hard with no military is understandable, but a major issue with the war going on. We need congress to pass some legislation badly to get the military up and running.
Umbrella
03-26-2025, 09:37 AM
GOVERNOR ACTIONS
CT leads Maritime. MA, NH, lead Manufacturing. NY leads finance. SC leads Plantation. NJ, VA leads Agriculture. +200 points to R5, B4, +100 points to R2, R3, B5.
CT Samuel Huntington (R3) fails to Advocate Military Service.
DE Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) fails to Advocate Military Service.
GA John Milton (B3) passes Build roads, bridges, canals. +200 points to R1, R5, +100 points to B3.
MA William Cushing (R5) fails to Remove Age Restrictions for Governor.
MD Robert Bowie (B2) deactivates Build roads, bridges, canals. +300 points to B4, +200 points to R1, +100 points to R2, B3, B5.
NC Richard Caswell (B2) deactivates Build roads, bridges, canals. +300 points to B4, +200 points to R1, +100 points to R2, B3, B5. -1 Manufacturing in NC (already 0).
NH John Langdon (B5) fails to Build roads, bridges, canals.
NJ Richard Howell (R2) fails to Build roads, bridges, canals.
NY Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B3) fails to deactivate Build roads, bridges, canals.
PA Samuel Maclay (B5) fails to Encourage settlement on remaining Native American lands.
RI William Bradford (R1) fails to Build roads, bridges, canals.
SC Thomas Bee (R5) Establishes State Bank. +200 points to B1, +100 points to R3, R4, R5, B4. +1 to Finance in SC (1).
VA Patrick Henry (B4) fails to Build roads, bridges, canals.
Umbrella
04-01-2025, 06:44 PM
Achievements have been proposed!! I'm going through them, and here's some that have happened already.
Atlas of the Revolution - Henry Middleton (Chairman of Foreign Affairs/Military when first Senior General is selected)
Author of the Declaration of Independence - John Adams
Famous Signature - Benjamin Franklin (President of Continental Congress when Declaration of Independence is signed)
Architect of the French Alliance - Robert Morris (Ambassador to France when French alliance formed)
Father of the Constitution - Edward Chew (person who proposed Constitutional Convention)
President of the Constitution - John Adams (President of Constitutional Convention)
First President - George Clinton
Architect of America's Economy - Robert Morris (Secretary of Treasury when Bank of the US is created)
Purchase President - George Clinton (President that presided over Louisiana Purchase)
The Hardest Job in the World - George Clinton (President that loses a major war)
First Military Officer to die in Battle - John Barry
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04-07-2025, 03:08 PM
CONGRESSIONAL PROPOSALS
Only 1 non crisis spending bill. Rev/Budget, Mil Prep all in crisis.
Senate:
Richard Henry Lee (B4) proposes Bill of Rights (Foundational) Judicial.
Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3) proposes Construct a US Navy of six Frigates (Foundational, Spending, Crisis) F/M.
Thomas Scott (B5) proposes Assume the Rev War debt of the states to create a national debt and build credit (Foundational) Econ.
Jacob Read (R5) proposes Establish the Bank of the United States (Foundational, Spending, Crisis) Econ.
Philip Key (B5) proposes Grant the president the ability to all for the state militia to defend against invasion by foreign nations of native tribes (Foundational, Crisis) F/M.
Nicholas Gilman (B3) proposes Establish the Office of Attorney General (Foundational) Judicial.
House:
Tristram Dalton (R4) proposes Establish Federal Judiciary (Foundational, Spending) Judicial. In conjunction, Set the Number of Supreme Court Justices to 6.
James Clinton (B2) proposes Grant Federal Fund for the construction and maintenance of a National Road, starting in Cumberland MD to Wheeling VA (Foundational, Spending) Domestic.
Gabriel Christie (B3) proposes National Suffrage for White Male Property Owners in Federal Elections Amendment Domestic.
James Linn (B3) proposes Establish National Standing Army (Spending, Crisis) F/M.
Jacob Broom (B4) proposes Allow President to Deport Immigrants from Hostile Nations (Crisis) Judicial.
Pleasant Gardens McDowell (B5) proposes Create the District of Columbia F/M.
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04-07-2025, 03:11 PM
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE
Senate Judicial committee: Bill of Rights passes 4-2. Attorney General passes 6-0. Cannot package since Bill of rights is an amendment.
Senate F/M committee: Navy passes 7-0. Militia passes 7-0. Chair Thomas Tillinghast (R3) chooses to not package the bills.
Senate Econ committee: Assume war debt passes 4-2. US Bank passes 5-1. Chair Theodore Sedgwick (R5) packages the bills together.
House Judicial committee: Chair Thomas Paine (B1) blocks Deport Immigrants, replaces with Equal Voting Rights for Women Amendment. Supreme Court and Justices passes 4-0. ERA fails 3-1.
House Domestic committee: National Road passes 4-0. White Male Property Suffrage passes 4-0. Cannot package since White Male Suffrage is an amendment.
House F/M committee: Standing Army passes 4-1. District of Columbia passes 3-2. Chair Joseph Bradley Varnum (B2) chooses to not package the bills.
LEGISLATIVE VOTING
House vote:
Bill of Rights passes 56-9.
Attorney General passes 65-0.
Navy passes 65-0. Roger Sherman (R2) gains +1 to next election for voting for a bill that helps his leading industry.
Militia passes 65-0.
Senate Econ (War debt, US Bank) passes 44-21. Theodorus Bailey (B2) gets +1 to next election for voting for a bill that helps his leading industry.
Supreme Court passes 65-0.
National Road passes 64-1.
White Male Suffrage passes 65-0. This will go to governors vote next phase.
Army passes 56-9.
DC passes 56-9.
Senate vote:
Bill of Rights passes 17-9. This will go to governors vote next phase.
Attorney General passes 26-0.
Navy passes 26-0.
Militia passes 26-0.
Senate Econ (War debt, US Bank) passes 15-11.
Supreme Court passes 26-0.
National Road passes 23-3.
White Male Suffrage passes 26-0. This will go to governors vote next phase.
Army passes 21-5.
DC passes 20-6.
Umbrella
04-07-2025, 03:13 PM
SIGNING LEGISLATION AND RESULTS
Since two spending bills were passed, and only one is allowed, the one which passed with highest percentage is the one going to the president. This means National Road does not get through.
President signs Attorney General. +200 points to B3, +100 points to B1, B2, B5, R1, R2, R3, R4.
President signs Navy. +400 points to R3, +300 points to B2, R4, +200 points to B3, B5, R2, +100 points to B4, R1, R5. +1 Mil Prep (3).
President signs Militia. +500 points to B2, R1, R4, +250 points to B1, B3, B4, B5, R2, R3, R5.
President signs Senate Econ (War debt, US Bank). +750 points to B1, +1500 points to B2, +1000 points to R3, R4, +500 points to R5, -250 points to B3, B5, R1 -1750 points to B4. Econ Stab +1 (already maxed at 6). Can now take out loans and Rev/Budget now maxes out at 6 instead of 2. Secretary of Treasury Robert Morris (R5) gets +1 in his next election.
President signs Supreme Court. +100 points to all factions.
President signs Army. +1250 points to R4, +750 points to B2, R3, +500 points to B3, B5, +250 points to R1, R2, R5, -250 points to B1, B4.
President signs DC. Econ Stab +1 (already maxed at 6).
Enthusiasm shifts due to legislative voting above: Mod goes +1 Blue for most points gained by dominant party. Cons/Trad goes -1 Blue for least points from dominant party. Mod go +1 Blue for most points on opposition party. Mod goes -2 Blue for least points on opposition party. Final tallies: Cons/Trad -1 Blue (Decent Red/High Blue).
President Clinton nominates James Sullivan (B1) for Attorney General. Since Sullivan has Integrity, he is confirmed in the Senate. Sullivan loses Obscure, gains Welfare. +500 points to B1.
President Clinton nominates Benedict Arnold (R5), Joshua Clayton (R4), and John Paul Jones (B4) as admirals. Arnold declines the nomination. Clinton nominates Arthur St. Clair (R5), who accepts the nomination. Senate F/M committee votes 7-0 for Clayton, 6-1 for Jones, and 6-1 for St. Clair. Clayton confirmed 22-4, Jones confirmed 26-0, St. Clair confirmed 24-2. +25 points to B4, R4, R5.
President Clinton nominates William Smith (B3) for President of US Bank. Smith declines. Clinton nominates Elias Boudinot (B1). Since he has integrity, he is automatically confirmed. +50 points to B1.
President Clinton nominates John Twiggs (B5), Friedrich W von Steuben (R3), and Daniel Morgan (R3) for General. Morgan declines. Clinton nominates Charles Lee (R4). Senate F/M committee votes 7-0 for Twiggs, 7-0 for von Steuben, and 6-1 for Lee. Twiggs confirmed 23-3, von Steuben confirmed 25-1, Lee confirmed 24-2. +25 points to B5, R3, R4.
Upper South states have no representation in the cabinet, but Domestic Stability doesnt drop.
Free Trade Lobby is upset they didnt get US Bank President from their faction. -1 Blue Mod Enthusiasm. Isolationist Lobby is pleased they got multiple generals and admirals from their factions. Cons/Trad +1 Blue Enthusiasm.
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04-17-2025, 12:25 PM
DIPLOMACY
President Clinton instructs UK Ambassador Thomas Jefferson (B5) to seek a loan. Jefferson is successful. Rev/Budg +1 (2). UK Debt +1 (1 debt).
President Clinton instructs France Ambassador John Houston (R4) to increase trade relations. Houston is successful. No change to meters.
MILITARY ACTION
Naval Battle of the Atlantic:
Moderate Battle: -10%
Planning: 7%
Officer: Secretary of War chooses Joshua Clayton (R4), 30%
Military Prep: 15%
Era Military Benchmarks: 10%
Chance of Success: 52% - DEFEAT!
-100 points to B4
Ground Battle of the Everglades:
Easy Battle: -0%
Planning: 7%
Officer: Charles Lee (R4), 20%
Military Prep: 15%
Era Military Benchmarks: 10%
Chance of Success: 52% - DEFEAT!
Charles Lee loses 1 Mil (1), gains Incompetent. -500 points to B5. Charles Lee is fired. Secretary of War chooses Daniel Morgan (R3) as replacement, who accepts. +25 points to R3.
End of War phase. War score is -5. War is lost. -750 points to R3, -500 points to B3, R2, -250 points to B2, B5, R4, R5. Senior Admiral Joseph Calhoun (B4) gains Incompetent. -1 to elections for Calhoun and Richard Montgomery (B5). Montgomery and Calhoun -1 Mil (both at 2). -1 to elections for President Clinton (B3). -2 to Blue party preference (4). -100 points to B3, B4, B5, R4. Calhoun is fired. John Paul Jones (B4) promoted to Senior Admiral. Abraham Whipple (R4) named Admiral. +50 points to B4, +25 points to R4. Charles Lee (R4) is court martialled for losing an easy battle. Lee is absolved of blame.
Treaty of St. Augustine: Secretary of State blunders implementation. Since President Clinton has command of 5, and Army expertise, the blunder roll is avoided. Party preference -1 Blue (5). Econ Stability -1 (5, crisis).
The War for Florida went absolutely horribly. For now, Florida will remain a Spanish territory. We'll see how it affects the blue party come election time.
Umbrella
04-17-2025, 12:33 PM
EXECUTIVE ACTIONS
President Clinton gets up to 5 executive actions.
Pro-Military Budget Increase Policy: +100 points to B2, R1, R4, +50 points to R2, R3, R5, B3, B4, B5. -1 Rev/Budg (1).
Use Presidential Office to Give Faith-based Speeches Around the Country: President Clinton gains +1 in states with Theocratic Governor. +50 points to B2, B3, B4, B5, -50 points to B1.
Extensively Tour Americas Farmland: President Clinton gains +1 in Agriculture states. +150 points to B4, +100 points to B3, B5, R1, +50 to B1, R2, -50 points to R4.
Extensively Tour Mining Centers Across the Nation: +150 points to B3, +50 points to B2, B5. President Clinton gains +1 in Mining states.
SUPREME COURT NOMINATIONS
President Clinton nominates Pierpont Edwards (B4), Representative James Linn (B3), George Muter (B1), Egbert Benson (B1), Senator Richard Henry Lee (B4), and Robert Howe (B3).
Edwards is confirmed 24-2. Linn is confirmed 20-6; gains +1 Jud (3). Muter is confirmed 16-10; gains +1 Jud (3). Benson is confirmed 17-9; gains +1 Jud (3). Lee is confirmed 18-7. Howe is confirmed 23-3; gains +1 Jud (2). +2 Blue party preference (1). Edwards is named Chief Justice; gains +1 Jud (4). +200 points to B4, -100 points to B3.
Since elections are next, the open spots wont be filled. President Clinton is doing some nice damage control from a political standpoint after losing the war. Also, it is amazing to me how Howe keeps failing upwards. He lost an election for Representative, gets chosen to be a Senator, gains the Incompetent trait and forced to leave the Senate, and then gets named to the Supreme Court. Surely an incompetent justice won't cause any problems in the future. Also, a totally blue Supreme Court could be interesting, although in this game, ideology is more important than party when making decisions.
Umbrella
04-30-2025, 12:46 PM
GOVERNOR ELECTIONS
CT: B2 nominates Thomas Chittenden. No other nominees, so Chittenden wins Blue nomination. R3 nominates Samuel Huntington (incumbent). No other nominees, so Huntington wins Red nomination. Huntington wins general election; gains Housing. +100 points to R3.
DE: B2 nominates Caleb P Bennett. B3 nominates Richard Bassett. B5 nominates David Hall. Bassett wins Blue nomination. R1 nominates Thomas McKean. R2 nominates Thomas Collins. R4 nominates Gunning Bedford Sr (incumbent). Bedford Sr wins Red nomination. Bedford Sr wins general election; gains Science. +100 points to R4.
GA: B3 nominates John Milton (incumbent). No other nominees, so Milton wins Blue nomination. R4 nominates Archibald Bulloch. R5 nominates Button Gwinnett. Bulloch wins Red nomination. Milton wins general election; gains +1 Gov (4). +100 points to B3. Bulloch gains -1 for 6 years.
MA: B1 nominates Samuel Adams. B2 nominates Elbridge Gerry. Adams wins Blue nomination. R2 nominates William Heath. R3 nominates John Adams. R5 nominates William Cushing (incumbent). Cushing wins Red nomination. Cushing wins general election; gains +1 Gov (2), Leadership, Foreign Affairs. +100 points to R5.
NC: Richard Caswell (B2) is term limited. B3 nominates Alexander Martin. B4 nominates John Baptista Ashe. Martin wins Blue nomination. R3 nominates Samuel Johnston. No other nominees, so Johnston wins Red nomination. Martin wins general election; gains Unlikable. +100 points to B3.
NH: B5 nominates John Langdon (incumbent). No other nominees, so Langdon wins Blue nomination. R2 nominates John Sullivan. No other nominees, so Sullivan wins Red nomination. Sullivan wins general election. +100 points to R2, -500 points to B5.
NJ: B4 nominates John Lambert. No other nominees, so Lambert wins Blue nomination. R2 nominates Richard Howell (incumbent). No other nominees, so Howell wins Red nomination. Lambert wins general election; gains +1 Gov (3). +100 points to B4, -500 points to R2.
NY: B4 nominates Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (incumbent). No other nominees, so Van Rennselaer wins Blue nomination. R1 nominates James Duane. No other nominees, so Duane wins Red nomination. Van Rennselaer wins general election; gains Agriculture. Duane gets -1 for 6 years.
PA: Samuel Maclay (B5) is term limited. No eligible Blue candidates. R2 nominates Joseph Reed. R3 nominates Edward Hand. R4 nominates William Moore. Moore wins Red nomination and general election; gains Leadership. +100 points to R4.
RI: B3 nominates John Collins. No other nominees, so Collins wins Blue nomination. R1 nominates William Bradford (incumbent). No other nominees, so Bradford wins Red nomination. Bradford wins general election; gains +1 Adm (2), Economics. +100 points to R1.
SC: B3 nominates Alexander Gillon. No other nominees, so Gillon wins Blue nomination. R5 nominates Thomas Bee (incumbent). Gillon wins general election. +100 points to B3, -500 points to R5.
Umbrella
05-01-2025, 10:23 AM
SENATE APPOINTMENTS
Senate Class I seats are up for reappointment.
CT: Samuel Huntington (R3) re-appoints Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3); gains +1 Leg (4). +100 points to R3.
DE: Gunning Bedford Sr (R4) appoints Admiral Joshua Clayton (R4). +100 points to R4.
MA: William Cushing (R5) re-appoints John Lowell (R5); gains +1 Leg (3). +100 points to R5.
MD: Robert Bowie (B2) re-appoints William Smith (B3); gains +1 Leg(4). +100 points to B3.
NJ: John Lambert (B4) appoints Aaron Kitchell (B2). +100 points to B2.
NY: Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B4) appoints John Smith (B1); gains +1 Adm (1). +100 points to B1.
PA: William Moore (R4) appoints Thomas Willing (R4). +100 points to R4.
RI: William Bradford (R1) appoints Asher Robbins (R3); gains +1 Adm (1). +100 points to R3.
VA: Patrick Henry (B4) re-appoints Cyrus Griffin (B4) and appoints Thomas Barbour (B4). +200 points to B4.
Umbrella
05-01-2025, 10:25 AM
HOUSE ELECTIONS
CT-1: B1 nominates William Williams. B3 nominates John Hiester. R2 nominates Roger Sherman (incumbent). Sherman wins election. +50 points to R2.
DE-1: B4 nominates Jacob Broom (incumbent). R3 nominates George Read. Broom wins election. +50 points to B4.
GA-1: R5 nominates George Mathews (incumbent). Mathews wins election. +50 points to R5.
MA-1: B1 nominates Jonathan Grout. B2 nominates Samuel Allyne Otis. R1 nominates Robert Treat Paine. R4 nominates Tristram Dalton (incumbent). Grout wins election. +50 points to B1, -100 points to R4.
MA-2: R1 nominates Shearjashub Bourne. R2 nominates Joseph Warren. R4 nominates Nathaniel Gorham. R5 nominates Benjamin Goodhue. B2 nominates Joseph Bradley Varnum (incumbent). Varnum wins election. +50 points to B2.
MD-1: R1 nominates Alexander C Hanson Sr. R2 nominates Benjamin Stoddert. R3 nominates Robert H Harrison. R5 nominates William Hindman. B3 nominates Gabriel Christie (incumbent). Christie wins election. +50 points to B3.
MD-2: R1 nominates Upton Sheredine. R2 nominates James Lloyd. R3 nominates Charles Carroll of Carrollton. B3 nominates William Smallwood (incumbent). Smallwood wins election. +50 points to B3.
NC-1: R1 nominates William Hooper. B5 nominates Pleasant Gardens McDowell (incumbent). McDowell wins election. +50 points to B5.
NH-1: R5 nominates Paine Wingate. Wingate wins election. +50 points to R5.
NJ-1: B5 nominates Lambert Cadwalader. R1 nominates Abraham Clark. Clark wins election. +50 points to R1.
NY-1: R2 nominates Richard Morris. R4 nominates Walter Livingston. R5 nominates Lewis Morris. B2 nominates James Clinton (incumbent). Clinton wins election. +50 points to B2.
NY-2: R1 nominates Peter Van Gaasbeck. R4 nominates William Stephens Smith. R5 nominates Philip Schuyler. B2 nominates Theodorus Bailey (incumbent). Bailey wins election. +50 points to B2.
PA-1: R1 nominates John W Kittera. B1 nominates Thomas Paine (incumbent). Thomas Paine wins election. +50 points to B1.
PA-2: R1 nominates Charles Willson Peale. R2 nominates John Barclay. R3 nominates Benjamin Huntington. R4 nominates Benjamin Chew. R5 nominates Jared Ingersoll. B1 nominate George Bryan (incumbent). Barclay wins election. +50 points to R2, -100 points to B1.
RI-1: R4 nominates Theodore Foster. B2 nominates Joseph Stanton Jr (incumbent). Stanton Jr wins election. +50 points to B2.
SC-1: R2 nominates John Hunter. R4 nominates John Rutledge. R5 nominates Edward Rutledge. B5 nominates Thomas Sumter (incumbent). Sumter wins election. +50 points to B5.
VA-1: R4 nominates John Crittenden Sr. B5 nominates Theodorick Bland (incumbent). Bland wins election. +50 points to B5.
VA-2: R1 nominates Arthur Lee. R2 nominates John Parke Custis. R3 nominates Abner Nash. R4 nominates George Washington. B1 nominates William Grayson (incumbent). Grayson wins election. +50 points to B1.
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05-01-2025, 10:26 AM
RETIREMENTS
John Langdon (B5, CC F/M chairman, CC Member 1774-78, 1782-84, signer of Declaration of Indpendence, Governor of NH 1784-90) retires after losing Governor election. George Bryan (B1, Current faction leader, CC member 1778-80, Governor of PA 1784-88, PA Rep 1788-90, Speaker of the House 1788-90) retires after losing House election as Speaker. B1 names Samuel Adams as new faction leader; gains Civil Rights, +1 Gov (4), Incoherent.
END OF TERM
Blue leads red 34,325-30,591. Faction scores in order:
B3: 12,000
R5: 10,144
B2: 7100
R4: 6647
B1: 5875
R3: 5316
B5: 5100
R2: 4584
B4: 4250
R1: 3900
TOP 10 POLITICIANS BY POLITICAL VALUE
1. George Clinton (B3, Faction Leader, President)
2. Thomas Jefferson (B5, Ambassador to UK)
3. Richard Henry Lee (B4, Associate Justice)
4. John Adams (R3)
5. Jonathan Trumbull Jr (R3, CT Senator)
6. Thomas McKean (R1, Faction Leader)
7. Edward Telfair (B4, GA Senator)
8. George Washington (R4)
9. Roger Sherman (R2, Faction Leader, CT Rep)
10. William Cocke (B5, Faction Leader, Vice President)
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05-06-2025, 05:18 PM
1790-1792
REMOVE FLIP FLOPPER PENALTY
Jonathan Robinson (B1), Samuel J Potter (B1), Thomas Chittenden (B2), Caleb P Bennett (B2), Joseph Bloomfield (B3), Jeremiah Van Rennselaer (B4), Jacob Broom (B4), Montfort Stokes (B5), Squire Boone (B5), Dudley Saltonstall (R1), Richard Potts (R3), James Wood (R4), Francis Malbone (R4), Benedict Arnold (R5), John Taylor Gilman (R5), and Samuel Sewell (R5) all lose flip flopper.
RELOCATE POLITICIANS
James Madison (B1) fails to move from VA to DE. Andrew Moore (B5) fails to move from VA to DE. Samuel Nicholas (R4) moves from PA to DE. Philip Barton Key (R4) moves from MD to GA; gains Carpetbagger.
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05-13-2025, 10:29 AM
IDEOLOGY SHIFTS
B1 – William Cary Nicholas fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Thomas Lynch Jr shifts from Mod to Lib; gains Flipflopper. James Booth Sr shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Jacob Hufty shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper.
B2 – Joseph Bradley Varnum fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Elbridge Gerry fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. John F Mercer shifts from Mod to Cons. Cornelius Schoonmaker shifts from Mod to Lib; gains Pliable. Joseph Stanton Jr fails to shift from Mod to Lib; gains Pliable.
B3 – Andrew Pickens fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Benjamin Guerard fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Gunning Bedfrod Jr shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. William Smallwood shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. Richard Bassett shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. James Jackson shifts from Mod to Lib; gains Pliable. Daniel Smith fails to shift from Mod to Lib; gains Pliable. William Eustis shifts from Mod to Lib; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
B4 – Robert Wright shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. George Logan fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable. John Baptista Ashe shifts from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper. Timothy Bloodworth fails to shift from Cons to Trad; gains Flipflopper.
B5 – Joseph McMinn fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper. David Hall fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Pleasant Gardens McDowell shifts from Mod to Lib; gains Pliable.
R1 – Theophilus Parsons fails to shift from Mod to Cons. Epaphroditus Champion fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Charles Willson Peale shifts from Lib to Mod; gains Flipflopper. Shearjashub Bourne fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Abiel Foster fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. James Breckinridge fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Pliable.
R2 – James Sheafe fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Robert Barnwell shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Joseph Warren shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Nicholas Biddle shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Alexander Scammell shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
R3 – Samuel Johnston shifts from Mod to Cons. Aaron Ogden fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Two Faced. Silas Deane fails to shift from Mod to Cons.
R4 – James Schureman shifts from Cons to Mod. Alexander Hamilton shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Leonard Gansevoort fails to shift from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. John Burroughs Hopkins fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. Benjamin Bourne fails to shift from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper, Pliable.
R5 – Lewis Morris shifts from Cons to Mod; gains Flipflopper, Pliable. Philip Schuyler shifts from Cons to Mod. Button Gwinnett shifts from Mod to Cons; gains Flipflopper. William Paterson fails to shift from Mod to Cons.
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05-15-2025, 10:21 AM
POLITICIAN CONVERSIONS
Because Red Traditionalists and Red Liberals are at lowest enthusiasm, we need to check if anyone switches parties. Nobody flips.
Party Leader George Clinton (B3) fails to convert John Lowell (R5).
Party Leader Nathaniel Gorham (R4) fails to convert John Milton (B3).
William Cocke (B5) fails to convert William Smallwood (B3). Smallwood loses Pliable.
Thomas McKean (R1) fails to convert Lewis Morris (R5). Morris gains Disharmonious.
Samuel Huntington (R3) fails to convert John Taylor Gilman (R5). Gilman gains Integrity.
Benjamin Goodhue (R5) converts Alexander Hamilton (R4).
KINGMAKERS AND PROTEGES
Samuel Huntington (R3) takes on Elizur Goodrich (R3) as protιgι. Goodrich gains +1 Gov (2), Foreign Affairs, Pliable.
Benjamin Chew (R4) takes on Stephen Girard (R4) as protιgι. Girard gains +1 Leg (1), Welfare, Pacifist, Celebrity.
Hamilton switching factions is pretty huge. A good get for R5.
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