Strat-O-Matic HOF Vote?

[Breeze]

I've been playing Strat Baseball for years, and I've completed the 1961 - 1976 seasons. I'm now at a point where I can start electing players for the HOF. However, I'd like some outside opinions, so my personal biases don't impact the results quite a much. I'm curious if there would be any interest from the community in voting on a players HOF status?

If there is interest - I was planning to create a poll thread for each players vote, but initially I would not provide the player name or team (if I provided team and position, it would be easy for you guys to figure out the name. As it is, I expect you'll know pretty quickly). After the voting was over I'd provide the player name.

Given that in my universe, there is no baseball pre-1961. I'd also provide some context, like lifetime leaders in the major categories. Plus each players stat page will include their WAR (as SOM calculates it), Awards won, Post Seasons appeared in will be noted, All-Star appearances will be obvious, etc.

Let me know.

[Breeze]

Here is an idea of what the information you'd be voting on will look like:

Position: Leftfield
Bats: Left | Throws: Right

7x All-Star
3x Silver Slugger
Batting Title
1x ALCS Appearance


Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 ⭐ 149 590 94 176 22 6 30 99 54 74 3 1 .298 .358 .508 .866 3.2
1962 162 627 91 175 22 9 17 99 85 83 9 7 .279 .367 .424 .791 2.4
1963 ⭐ 161 640 89 167 33 5 32 99 65 74 8 2 .261 .325 .478 .803 4.5 SS
1964 ⭐ 162 663 102 217 38 1 31 111 47 105 16 6 .327 .376 .528 .904 7.4 7.4
1965 ⭐ 162 628 103 175 30 1 42 104 90 92 4 3 .279 .369 .530 .899 6.8 6.8
1966 162 671 90 173 22 2 32 103 50 70 1 4 .258 .309 .440 .749 3.3
1967 162 659 125 173 21 12 38 77 53 55 1 2 .263 .319 .504 .823 5.5 5.5
1968 162 664 80 193 29 9 25 106 41 47 3 0 .291 .332 .474 .806 5.3 5.3
1969 162 658 89 171 26 7 16 88 48 81 3 0 .260 .308 .394 .702 1.7
1970 ⭐ 162 650 125 216 32 4 43 125 68 65 19 6 .332 .395 .592 .987 9.1 9.1
1971 ⭐ 159 620 108 197 35 7 23 99 85 44 3 1 .318 .399 .508 .907 6.7 6.7 SS
1972 ⭐ 158 596 110 203 41 3 32 105 79 45 8 7 .341 .420 .581 1.001 8.1 8.1 SS
1973 155 573 66 151 20 4 18 69 66 76 4 0 .264 .339 .407 .746 2.1
1974 138 430 55 126 18 0 18 76 70 29 1 1 .293 .392 .460 .852 2.4
1975 162 591 77 142 24 0 33 93 78 80 0 0 .240 .331 .448 .779 2
1976 106 364 35 76 11 0 12 47 53 45 3 1 .209 .308 .338 .646 -0.1
Total 16 2484 9624 1439 2731 424 70 442 1500 1032 1065 86 41 .284 .353 .480 .833 70.4 48.9 59.65

[Chas in Cinti]

Love this, and I'm in! I do the same thing in OOTP and it's always hard to take out biases.

[Breeze]

Hey Chas,

Looks like you’re the only one interested. Not sure it’s worth creating a new poll thread for voting if it’s just you. If you want to comment on the example above, I’ll post another one here for you to consider once you do.

[Chas in Cinti]

So, without context of the league as a whole... this guy looks like a HoF to me. Reminds me of Dave Parker with a bit more pop. I use 8 AS games as a tollgate personally, he has 7. He's also REAL close on the auto-elect numbers of 3000 hits or 500 HR. He does have the 60 WAR and 1500 RBI which are tollgates for me.

I'm gonna say Yes.

[Breeze]

Yeah, sorry should have provided more context. The all star games are even more of a measuring stick than real life. In my replays, the all-star game takes place after the season, so there are no half season darlings that make it. Also, I only take 28 players (2 at catcher and all infield positions, 5 outfielders, 10 pitchers, and 3 additional players), plus not every team is represented.

Some other points that might be helpful (doing this from top of mind, don’t have the game in front of me)

- highest lifetime ave at this point is .321
- most HR is 469
- most wins 264

[Breeze]

Let me know if I can provide any data that would be helpful to provide context. And I voted yes on the player above as well. Want to take a stab on who it is?

[Chas in Cinti]

The power is what is throwing me off... I would have guessed Kaline or Willie Davis... I don't think Dick Allen would have that high a BA... too early to be Yaz... too late for Clemente...

How about Stargell?

[Breeze]

Good guess…. Billy Williams

[Chas in Cinti]

Ah, I should have got that one... this is fun! LOL

[Breeze]

Shortstop
World Series Champion
World Series MVP
5x All-Star
5x Gold Glove
1x Silver Slugger






Career
Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 156 642 83 163 19 2 7 67 33 38 42 13 .254 .290 .322 .612 *6 2.5 GG
1962 161 600 64 137 19 7 6 62 39 39 22 9 .228 .271 .313 .584 *6 1.8 GG
1963 154 645 91 153 16 7 6 53 49 33 57 16 .237 .293 .312 .605 *6 4 4 GG
1964 ⭐ 159 636 113 193 26 4 10 55 56 55 86 20 .303 .359 .404 .763 *6 8.1 8.1 GG
1965 152 595 70 133 23 14 12 51 51 52 31 8 .224 .285 .370 .655 *6 3.7
1966 152 677 100 191 28 7 8 53 40 36 27 6 .282 .322 .380 .702 *6 6 6 GG, wsMVP
1967 161 601 49 138 15 2 8 54 32 54 13 5 .230 .267 .301 .568 *6 2.1
1968 ⭐ 153 627 65 168 29 2 7 48 46 44 19 7 .268 .319 .354 .673 *6 4.7 4.7
1969 ⭐ 154 622 105 189 25 7 5 51 75 45 21 8 .304 .381 .391 .772 *6 6.7 6.7
1970 ⭐ 157 615 95 207 31 2 2 53 73 42 13 14 .337 .406 .403 .809 *6 6.5 6.5
1971 133 455 40 125 23 0 6 51 29 55 1 1 .275 .320 .365 .685 *6 3.1
1972 ⭐ 137 481 61 140 35 2 10 49 32 26 3 7 .291 .335 .435 .770 *6 4.7 4.7 SS
1973 134 535 56 136 15 0 0 43 33 47 6 0 .254 .295 .282 .577 *6 0.7

Total 13 1963 7731 992 2073 304 56 87 690 588 566 341 114 .268 .320 .356 .676 *6 54.6 40.7 47.65

[Chas in Cinti]

Seems like a solid player, but I'm going to vote "No" on this one.

Maybe Leo Cardenas?

If most/all of those years are with the same team, I think he'd be a Team HoF kind of guy, but not Cooperstown.

[Breeze]

This is the end of Luis Aparicio’s career. He’s a tough one, mostly because on his own, he doesn’t appear like a HOFer, but compared to the rest of baseball at that time, he’s miles ahead of all but a couple of guys. It’s tough call.

[Chas in Cinti]

I get it... I would need to see a couple more of EITHER GG or ASG... cause his counting stats are good, not great. OBP is not elite... even for that time... is it?

IRL, he had way more ASG and GG... WAY MORE. And over 600 more hits!

[Breeze]

He definitely had more in real life. I believe he had 10 actually, with several coming from before 1961, when he was leading the league in stolen bases year over year.

His election status is currently unresolved. He has enough yes votes to stay on the ballot and be reassessed in the future.

[Breeze]

Third Baseman
10x All-Star
All-Star MVP
3x Silver Slugger
3x Gold Glove



Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 ⭐ 154 588 91 180 43 6 29 99 68 80 2 1 .306 .373 .548 .921 *5 6.3 6.3
1962 162 581 61 126 16 3 15 71 60 87 3 0 .217 .293 .332 .625 *5/6 0.3
1963 ⭐ 162 654 74 198 21 6 24 111 45 86 4 2 .303 .346 .463 .809 *5 5.6
1964 ⭐ 162 584 97 165 29 10 34 94 111 103 5 1 .283 .396 .541 .937 *5 9.2 9.2 SS
1965 ⭐ 162 631 84 175 27 3 30 91 71 124 2 1 .277 .350 .472 .822 *5 6.9 6.9
1966 ⭐ 157 598 101 174 24 7 35 111 91 86 1 0 .291 .388 .530 .918 *5 8.7 8.7
1967 ⭐ 159 587 95 177 23 5 34 108 95 101 0 2 .302 .398 .532 .930 *5 9.2 9.2 SS, asMVP
1968 ⭐ 154 564 85 155 26 0 30 92 100 120 1 3 .275 .385 .480 .865 *5 8 8 SS, GG
1969 ⭐ 144 526 99 143 12 2 33 88 88 81 0 2 .272 .383 .490 .873 *5 6.7 6.7
1970 157 567 99 144 19 3 28 92 100 118 1 0 .254 .363 .446 .809 *5 5.2
1971 153 579 61 131 27 0 20 83 75 107 3 0 .226 .312 .377 .689 *5/7 3.4 GG
1972 ⭐ 142 483 69 138 20 4 14 64 80 82 4 3 .286 .395 .431 .826 *54/67 5
1973 ⭐ 147 540 68 154 38 3 22 80 50 94 0 2 .285 .350 .489 .839 *5 4.8 GG
1974 12 7 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 .143 .143 .143 .286 D/346 -0.1
14 2027 7489 1085 2061 325 52 348 1185 1034 1270 26 17 .275 .364 .472 .836 *5/4673 79.2 55 67.1

[Chas in Cinti]

Ok, so this guy doesn't have the elite counting stats, but based on the AS appearances, and the elite OBP I would say he would get in on my ballot.

Trying to figure out who it might be... Ron Santo maybe?

I vote 'YES'.

[Breeze]

Yep - Ron Santo! And I voted yes here too

[Breeze]

Starting Pitcher
Right handed
8x All-Star
5x top 5 pitcher (this is an award I created to be a “silver slugger” equivalent for pitchers)
1x gold glove
3x World Series champion
1x World Series runner up



Year Team W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WAR WAR7 JAWS WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/BB AWARDS
1961 ⭐ 14 10 .583 2.75 27 27 0 11 3 0 213 179 73 65 15 70 130 6.7 6.7 1.17 7.56 0.63 2.96 5.49 1.86 DA
1962 16 11 .593 3.98 35 35 0 12 0 0 271.7 259 139 120 41 102 130 3.2 1.33 8.58 1.36 3.38 4.31 1.27
1963 ⭐ 25 9 .735 2.43 40 40 0 20 4 0 325.3 263 102 88 30 66 241 9.3 9.3 1.01 7.28 0.83 1.83 6.67 3.65 DA
1964 ⭐ 16 11 .593 2.82 33 33 0 19 2 0 280.7 259 112 88 39 60 212 5.3 5.3 1.14 8.30 1.25 1.92 6.80 3.53 DA
1965 ⭐ 20 11 .645 2.68 37 37 0 22 6 0 309 256 115 92 29 61 269 6.7 6.7 1.03 7.46 0.84 1.78 7.83 4.41
1966 ⭐ 24 11 .686 2.30 36 36 0 25 6 0 304.7 233 87 78 30 40 222 10.1 10.1 0.90 6.88 0.89 1.18 6.56 5.55 DA
1967 ⭐ 16 6 .727 2.47 27 27 0 13 3 0 214.7 196 66 59 15 46 185 5.9 5.9 1.13 8.22 0.63 1.93 7.76 4.02
1968 11 20 .355 2.87 40 40 0 14 3 0 317 313 113 101 22 45 226 5.2 1.13 8.89 0.62 1.28 6.42 5.02
1969 ⭐ 21 9 .700 2.42 36 36 0 21 4 0 301.7 260 101 81 20 54 190 8.3 8.3 1.04 7.76 0.60 1.61 5.67 3.52 DA
1970 16 14 .533 4.95 39 39 0 9 0 0 270.7 311 160 149 47 55 139 0.7 1.35 10.34 1.56 1.83 4.62 2.53 GG
1971 18 13 .581 2.90 38 38 0 10 3 0 285.7 243 112 92 20 45 166 5.1 1.01 7.65 0.63 1.42 5.23 3.69
1972 12 10 .545 4.07 28 28 0 8 3 0 203.3 217 107 92 19 60 96 0.1 1.36 9.61 0.84 2.66 4.25 1.60
1973 ⭐ 14 13 .519 2.96 31 31 0 10 3 0 218.7 212 94 72 15 37 107 3.8 1.14 8.72 0.62 1.52 4.40 2.89
1974 3 4 .429 4.45 9 9 0 2 0 0 62.7 68 34 31 6 17 15 0.3 1.36 9.76 0.86 2.44 2.15 0.88
1975 0 1 .000 9.00 2 2 0 0 0 0 5 9 5 5 1 3 1 -0.2 2.40 16.20 1.80 5.40 1.80 0.33
TOTAL 15 226 153 .596 3.05 458 458 0 196 40 0 3583.7 3278 1420 1213 349 761 2329 70.5 52.3 61.4 1.13 8.23 0.88 1.91 5.85 3.06
*no hit Dodgers 9/19/1969

[Chas in Cinti]

Hmmm... this guy was pretty dominant... I'm definitely voting "Yes" on this one. Trying to figure out who it was. A little late for Koufax... I'm thinking Bob Gibson.

I feel like this happens in baseball sims a lot... the pitchers never stay active long enough to get their counting stats up to the real-life toll gates.

[Breeze]

Juan Marichal. I voted yes as well.

[Chas in Cinti]

Ah, makes sense... after reviewing, it is EERIE how close his stats are.. even the ebbs and flows of the career...

[Breeze]

MVP 7x Superstar Batting Title
61 World Series Champion 4x Silver Slugger
68 & 72 World Series Appearance 1x Gold Glove


Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 ⭐ 160 552 142 200 20 7 54 155 126 73 10 6 .362 .485 .717 1.202 *3 11.4 11.4 MVP, SS
1962 153 559 94 144 20 3 41 105 86 95 3 1 .258 .365 .524 .889 *3/7 4.7 4.7
1963 ⭐ 162 570 80 149 21 0 28 96 103 79 4 7 .261 .382 .446 .828 *3 4.7 4.7
1964 ⭐ 150 540 82 148 18 2 37 107 79 74 1 0 .274 .367 .520 .887 *3 4.8 4.8
1965 ⭐ 149 557 101 146 26 3 38 105 67 73 10 4 .262 .350 .524 .874 *3 4.9 4.9 SS
1966 ⭐ 159 632 110 174 15 9 27 86 76 100 4 0 .275 .353 .456 .809 *3 4.7 4.7 SS
1967 141 498 67 105 15 1 25 93 77 109 4 0 .211 .327 .396 .723 *3 2.8
1968 ⭐ 147 510 68 128 21 0 33 72 59 103 0 0 .251 .329 .486 .815 *3 4.4 GG
1969 137 499 79 146 14 3 24 86 68 86 1 0 .293 .385 .477 .862 *3 4.5
1970 144 430 67 111 23 1 18 74 75 72 1 0 .258 .377 .442 .819 *3 2.9
1971 ⭐ 132 473 85 137 13 7 37 102 54 89 3 1 .290 .367 .581 .948 *3 5.3 5.3 SS
1972 131 463 64 120 23 0 27 86 59 68 0 1 .259 .342 .484 .826 *3/6 3.5
1973 112 408 64 104 20 0 21 69 52 88 4 0 .255 .353 .458 .811 *3 2.2
1974 25 67 4 17 1 1 2 16 8 15 0 0 .254 .333 .388 .721 *3 0.1
Total 14 1902 6758 1107 1829 250 37 412 1252 989 1124 45 20 .271 .369 .501 .870 *3/76 60.9 40.5 50.7

[Chas in Cinti]

I want to say no... but I have no idea who this could be... was thinking maybe Cepeda or Boog.... McCovey probably not...

Not enough longevity to get real elite counting stats... the HR and OPS is good... but his WAR isn't really elite, just very good. I do like his OBP though. I think he gets in in a down year when there's not a lot of real solid options, but probably not a year 1 election. That 1961 season is ludicrous... that was his first year?

[Breeze]

Actually, no that’s not a rookie year. Just the year I started my replay. He started in 1958.

Norm Cash. And currently he is not elected. Will be reassessed in a few years

[Chas in Cinti]

OHHHH.. do the total stats include the stats before the replay started, or did everyone start from 0?

[Breeze]

Yeah. I started at 61, with no previous stats recognized. So several players who debuted earlier are unfortunately penalized by that move. But Strat seasons are expensive and I have to start somewhere. Plus I’m using the strat encyclopedia function, and I didn’t want to have to cut and paste real stats to backfill results.

[Chas in Cinti]

Gotcha... that makes more sense now with some of these guys... :)

[Breeze]

Catcher
Bats R | Throws R

7x All-Star
4x Gold Glove
7x Silver Slugger
2x World Series Appearance



Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 9 16 5 6 1 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 .375 .474 .438 .912 *2 0.2
1963 122 417 42 109 17 5 15 53 44 86 3 0 .261 .336 .434 .770 *2 3.6
1964 ⭐ 151 587 98 185 23 10 28 81 38 82 6 2 .315 .368 .532 .900 *2/3 8.2 8.2 SS
1965 129 445 37 103 19 0 11 48 35 78 4 1 .231 .295 .348 .643 *2 2.7 GG
1966 ⭐ 137 499 55 123 32 0 19 72 34 69 3 5 .246 .298 .425 .723 *2/3 4.4 4.4 SS, GG
1967 ⭐ 148 522 73 164 19 2 24 85 68 68 3 3 .314 .412 .496 .908 *23 8.9 8.9 SS, GG
1968 ⭐ 152 538 74 143 18 4 28 79 48 60 0 0 .266 .351 .470 .821 *293 6.4 6.4 SS
1969 ⭐ 149 534 71 150 10 2 26 67 65 59 2 4 .281 .365 .453 .818 *2/3 5.5 5.5 SS
1970 128 427 42 87 13 3 11 46 51 46 0 1 .204 .289 .326 .615 *2 1.8 GG
1971 ⭐ 142 532 84 148 26 4 33 104 49 52 1 3 .278 .352 .528 .880 *2 7.2 7.2 SS
1972 121 338 52 93 16 2 6 37 52 51 0 0 .275 .383 .388 .771 *2/36 4.2
1973 142 469 45 123 19 2 10 55 37 33 0 0 .262 .326 .375 .701 *2 2.6
1974 ⭐ 152 568 73 170 20 4 30 85 51 53 4 4 .299 .357 .507 .864 23 4.3 SS
1975 150 555 68 144 17 3 26 65 40 73 2 1 .259 .320 .441 .761 *2/3 5.2 5.2
1976 78 230 22 72 16 1 1 20 17 24 0 0 .313 .365 .404 .769 *2/35 1.5
16 1910 6677 841 1820 266 42 268 898 632 834 28 24 .273 .345 .445 .790 *2/3956 66.7 45.8 56.25

[Chas in Cinti]

I'm going to vote, yes. Not sure who it might be... but he obviously was a dominant outlier at his position.

[Breeze]

I voted yes as well. Just too dominant at a really weak position. It’s Bill Freehan.

[Chas in Cinti]

Never would have guessed him... good one.

[Breeze]

Rightfielder
2x World Series champion
1x LCS appearance
4x Gold Glove
7x all-star
Batting title


Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS POS WAR WAR7 JAWS Awards
1961 ⭐ 147 625 116 205 31 8 27 91 40 74 2 0 .328 .368 .533 .901 *9 6.5 6.5
1962 147 597 79 189 32 6 12 73 31 78 2 3 .317 .349 .451 .800 *9 4.3
1963 ⭐ 150 611 85 192 20 6 18 60 33 66 10 0 .314 .359 .455 .814 *9 5.3 5.3
1964 ⭐ 162 673 114 229 34 9 19 99 58 102 3 1 .340 .393 .502 .895 *9 7.8 7.8
1965 145 592 91 190 27 11 12 73 27 88 3 1 .321 .350 .465 .815 *9 5.4 5.4
1966 ⭐ 162 681 107 186 27 7 30 117 49 125 2 3 .273 .318 .465 .783 *9 5.1
1967 ⭐ 153 613 117 227 31 8 30 112 51 122 4 1 .370 .418 .594 1.012 *9 9.7 9.7 GG
1968 132 529 64 146 17 8 21 78 28 88 3 2 .276 .310 .457 .767 *9 4.6 GG
1969 ⭐ 136 530 81 187 21 12 17 96 44 94 4 0 .353 .403 .534 .937 *9 7.2 7.2 GG
1970 ⭐ 144 473 92 167 22 15 16 79 33 72 7 3 .353 .397 .564 .961 *9 5.9 5.9
1971 146 520 71 172 30 5 11 79 34 73 3 5 .331 .367 .471 .838 *9 4.9 GG
1972 127 401 58 129 14 5 14 62 20 48 1 1 .322 .352 .486 .838 *9 3.9
Total 12 1751 6845 1075 2219 306 100 227 1019 448 1030 44 20 .324 .366 .498 .864 *9 70.6 47.8 59.2

[Chas in Cinti]

Sorry, been on vacation...

Can you give an idea about pre-61 activity? I feel like this is a gimme HoF'r that had a bunch of numbers before 1961... :)

[Breeze]

Im assuming your asking for your guess? Sure:

In real life he:

- started in 1955
- from 55-59 he won no awards, made no all star teams or received any mvp votes
- in 60 finished 8th in mvp voting and made the all star team
- in total during the window the player had the following stats:


.288/.320/.407 (.727). 42 hr, 861 hits.



Let me know if there any anything specific you’d like me to provide

[Chas in Cinti]

wow... then this dude would have had 3000 hits... maybe Al Kaline?

[Breeze]

Great guess. But no. Want another shot?

[Chas in Cinti]

Clemente?

[Breeze]

Yep!!!