We need a way to protect our generator and it seems like building the government building next will help us accomplish this. If we don't have a way I would be surprised if it is not the next thing to be sabotaged and we will have to spend a day repairing it.

Do not let him die... Unspeakable option in my mind. One now.. Another one down the road... Then another. We need as much help as we can get. I would say put all docs on him I need be.

My understanding is scientists test theories, engineers design items and bodies build. Ef can confirm..

Project: Medical Center
Effort: Next Project

I don't think I need to say anything about where to assign me, as font seems to agree my spot is with Schmidty.

I should say, based on my skills, I don't have much other use, as I am no better than average at anything else, and frankly, I am worthless at Engineering.

If need be.

Just FYI, I'm above average Physical but not a powerhouse, I like to think of myself as a Regan type, circa 1980.

Schmidty checked in, so it's not like he doesn't know the game is going. It's odd that he's not around at all (although not entirely inconsistent with his past behavior).

For what it is worth I think that the solar collectors were out before we even arrived. We will need to continually assess what the stowaway may be affecting as things go along. EF has mentioned the heat source a number of times... I have a feeling that it may not necessarily be bad... Almost like we need to know more about this item in order to survive.

I don't see any quote where I ever claimed it was comprehensive.
My original quote after listing the names was simply this -

I see the point in not committing valuable resources to a MIA Schmidty.
However, we could for the time being keep him around. If he remains SOS, we could at the very least send him on easy missions like resource gathering, or use him as cannon fodder at some point.

But if you do decide to let him die - I got first dibs on his pillow and his cheese and crackers rations.

typo ^^ If he remains MIA, not SOS

This is like a bad b movie... 1 day and we are already talking about sacrificing the weak.. Lol.

I am morally corrupt.

I hereby apologize for being timid!!

:thumbsup:


Be sure to vote so that EF doesn't drop a meteor on your head.

I take back that whole thing about letting you die! You're here. Let's patch you up.

By my count we're at 9-9 gather supplies and next project.

Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
shoveler - Private investigator
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner
Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), SOCIAL (BAD)
Schmidty

My take is that we are ok with supplies for another day... we can send some people out to gather supplies tomorrow.

What can we expect in the event of a tie?

I would assume that the Fontisian gets to break the tie.

possibly doing neither well. I'd rather we choose one or the other than be stuck with both.

I don't think it would be quite that simple since EF stated we might have shortages D1+2 if we go that route, but regardless I'd rather deal with a possible temporary food shortage in order to have the possibility of protecting our biodome (which should end food problems maybe?) and power supplies in the future.

Based on this, it seems like even without a research facility we should have the opportunity to make discoveries, we would just get more total 'science points' (maybe close to double) with a facility. Likewise we can just about double our effective healing with a medical facility assuming we have good people working there. It's not stated above, but it's possible we could have some opportunities for defending without the government set up, but it would just be less effective, however it's not as clearly spelled out as above.

Looking at the map I'm not certain where these supplies we are supposed to gather are located. There is no indication of where the first colony ship crashed other than a "sighting" location and a "heat source" over the mountain range to the East.

We do not have a medical center built yet, if we send some of us over the mountain range to the "sighting" location (assuming that is the first colony site), we risk losing people to mountain climbing injuries we are not prepared to handle.

Going for supplies at this point feels like it would be a mistake.

I feel like I've posted a ton and CF still has nearly double my posts. The man still has it.

where did you get that take?

can we please stop posting the JPEGS...they make it alot harder to follow the thread on smartphones or tablets

I really don't see where making a government is more important than survival, food, medicine, sciencem etc at this point. I can only think that there are people that have secret goals for wanting such. Illuminati here we come...

:cry:

Agreed. I don't get this either. Structure is cool and all, but survival? That's even cooler.

Illuminati that.

To me supplies= health

Everything else can be accomplished eventually, bad health will eff us up.

CF,

Normally I would agree with you, but in this game a Government from what I know about it, will let us do things to help keep everyone safe-and perhaps help Font lead better. Things like the National Guard if this was being done on Earth as an example.

safe from what? rocks?

I think what I'm sensing is people think we're playing chaos spawn and are all paranoid and we aren't. This is eagle's game whatever it is. WHile I"m sure there may be monsters and such to come, that doesn't mean we can't take care of them. We don't need a government to defend ourselves or to shoot things do we?

But the thing is we don't know for sure if we will need those supplies or not-as EF said earlier not getting supplies MAY result in food/water shortages. I'm willing to take the risk to get something we WILL definitely need than something we may not need. And hopefully the bio-dome will be ready to go after today and that possibility will be moot.

you do know that we had a stowaway right? And someone could have survived that crash that wants to kill us all too?

You haven't seen any guns yet have you?

Do we have guns though? I think if our law enforcement is empowered by the government building we should build it. I am worried if we can't protect buildings we will be in a perpetual fix what is broken cycle.

I am really starting to question Thomkal's motive. He is so big into the government thing so HE can do more. It sounds like the sheriff security role is a guise for wanting more power. Retired military does not mean honorably discharged or retired. I am very hesitant in moving forward with the government project until all other systems are in place.

I don't trust the way this is beginning to look with all of his pushing and pressuring.

The real question is what do you get out of having the research center built next? We know Thomkal gets a bonus for the government building. What do you get as the head engineer from the research center?

Nothing at all. I pushed for what I wanted and I've gotten it. Biodome was my immediate priority and the crew agreed with yesterday's voting.

no but how is having a government going to get us guns?
I would think we already had them.

I find it difficult to imagine that you don't have some kind of role that is wrapped up in the research facility. Will it make you as difficult to deal with as a corrupt sheriff? Probably not since his role implies that he can enforce the laws as he sees fit.

I feel pretty ok about Thomkal myself, as much as anyone. I think he's pushing an agenda he feels more confident will bring gain to the colony than others, even though it helps him personally as well.

The only interest I have in the research center is that I have a good scientific background. Creating a Biodome was my priority. I've accomplished that. Now I want timmae and his science group to be able to study Mars like never before.

There is nothing in it for me to my immediate knowledge.

zinto just posted it above better than I could say it.

And I voted for it too over government

I think a research center could open up all kinds of possibilities and unknown help hopefully. Scientific research could help any and every facet of life on Mars. If colonists are dying from unknown reasons we can look into it. If there are attacks we can verify how to respond to the weapons, whatever they may be. If growing food is needed we can devise ways to be more efficient. If travel is needed we'll need ways to get to other areas of the planet. Science leads to engineering which leads to advancements. It makes sense.. to me anyways.

Someone is influencing this vote.. do we need to be worried?

Next Build 11 - Autumn (763), Narcizo (812), JAG (824), timmaee (847), Shoveler (854), Thomkal (863), Danny (898), Zinto (900), fontisian (902), Chief Rum (905)

Perfectly stated.

To summarize in my own words the argument against the science research facility: "Best start working on the corpse reanimation project if we go this route".

More RPG like. There will be sets of options but depending on what is available to you will depend on what your options are; and depending on what happens to the colony itself.

It'd be one day. No one is dead yet. I think we can respond to any immediate issues and survive (all 22 of us). a week from now I am not as sure if we don't have ongoing answers to things none of us know anything about at the moment. For instance... guns will mean nothing. Whatever is out there will not be defeated by a bullet (not that we have gunpowder anyways, a scientist would need to invent a discharge device based on what resources are available on this planet). :)

well, we'll know if no vote means more damage to a colonist after tonight at least.

I dont think government is equal to guns, but rather protection of the colony. Not sure how we got to the government vote gets us guns theory.

I think font's vote is counted double.

Guns don't kill people, Martians kill people...

(sorry, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, just couldn't resist with the current conversation)

I wasn't comparing government to guns. We'll need weapons to combat whatever lurks out there... those weapons will need to be developed. That's just a tiny portion though...

So confused.

Yeah, she's counting double in the vote for government also.

JAG! This is a nice find if it means anything...

you're putting the cart before the horse. we have a stowaway that we need to deal with now. Anything outside of that is a consideration for another day.

Wait, aren't we all Martians now? :devil:

Schmidty you sexy beast! We're helping you survive day 1 man!

I think she said her vote counted double for stuff earlier.

EF: Post 909 I voted for Goverment.

Schmidty I think you need to vote to avoid being hurt again-so pick something and vote quickly

At first glance, that appeared to be very successful.

gee thanks guys. :P you're buying the pizza.

Agreed... and some new decisions to be made.

So I see Schmidty, DanGarion and NTNDeacon did not vote according to the last tally I saw and none seem to be injured (or more injured in Schmidty's case) so not voting does not appear to cause any penalty I think?

I would like to know why you three did not vote (apologies if I missed it) especially Schmidty and DanGarion who were in the room at some point in the last hour before deadline.

my reason was a meta reason , but here it is. I thought I would have time this afternoon, but had a new project to attend to at work.I doubt Iwill be saying much until tomorrow evening (perhaps a little in the morning.)

Um... I did vote. But I think I screwed up and forgot to bold mine...?

GAH.... this was the last time I was on till now.

OOC : we are in the process of getting our house listed to sell and with the 20 month old kiddo once it gets afternoon here I'm VERY short on time. So if its' because I didn't bold my votes I take full responsibility. If someone notices this next time please message me on here just reminding me, NO GAME TALK other than to remind me that I screwed up. Please... :(

I scan the pages looking for bold. That is the reason for needing bolded votes.

Yes I know why bold is needed. Oh well!

Did anyone lose a significant amount of health?

I'm hungry but I'm raring to get to work in the shiny new Science facility. So, no, not a significant amount.

The question now is if we can weather the hunger if we don't collect resources today and whether (see wadididthere) the biodome will alleviate that when it comes on line tomorrow.

I guess we know what a medical base will get us but what's the current thinking on the advantages of a government? Or the communicator. My feeling is still that the communicator isn't really a priority. If we don't hurry the project then I think whatever we choose today will give any benefits until day five?

Maybe the government will give us standard Werewolf voting abilities or something. But if that's the case it would suggest that the insurgent would have the ability to convert people because, well, just because. The communicator may provide us information on all our back-stories and may help us determine who the insurgent is. But it's, obviously, not going to be uneqivocal information as that would be unfair to the insurgent. My priority list is probably;
Government, Medical, Communicator.

Looks like Shark, timmae and I have the strongest scientific backgrounds. I suggest we get put to work discovering bronze-working and the alphabet and whatnot.