Since we've got some time on our hands, I guess I'll kick back and wait to see if anyone has information to provide. There appear to be quite a few roles in this game so hopefully we can get something out of them:

Student (Villager) - OK, probably not getting any info out of these guys
Psychic (Seer) - when was the last time Day 1 gave us something?
Martial Artist (Bodyguard) - the dead body suggests no block
Snoop (Hunter) - not going to help for a few days
Rageaholic - ???
Manipulator - ???
Pre-med student - DEAD
The Bearer of the Necronomicon - ???

Are there any markings on the body? Are we allowed to ask for some details? I want CSI on the scene dammit!

You found him with his throat slash through his windpipe, which must be why you heard no scream. Also, you found a strange marking that none of you recognize, carved into his forehead.

Sorry. Should have been specific.

I think we have to wait until Sunday/Monday, based on the feedback from people who won't have availability over the weekend.

Unless they have a way to poison someone or some kind of delayed kill. That would explain needing both a pre-med along with a bodyguard. But I could also be overthinking the whole thing.

sigh. good luck students.

If it wasn't your very first game, I'd vote you for this.


Reason is this -- it strikes of a wolf pretending to be surprised they're still around. Unless you're a seer or something (and please don't say so if you are!!!) very new players are unlikely wolf targets. They'd probably think that you're confused enough so there's no harm in keeping you around. ;)

I'm thinking that the manipulator might be the Duke...kind of makes sense that he/she could "manipulate" the votes? Any ideas there?

Could the pre-med student be like a Duke role that they can save someone from a lynching? Maybe not change the vote but at least save them.

LOL - that pinged my wolfdar as well, but like you, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as she is a first timer.

At least we now have some vote history to look through for a couple days. Not a lot of vote history as I don't think there were many changes, but at least some.

Going with my gut on this one but I think PB is a good guy this game. He hasn't shown any of his wolfish tell yet and it looks like he is playing like a villager. Unless he's doing a good job of fooling me.

Especially since it was posted before the results... ;)

I'm honestly not sure how I want to proceed with the results from yesterday. I guess I'll start with a voting tree. Time to go diggign through posts ....

Schmidty said that I was making myself a target also, but I was just excited when he told me the one that got killed would get a PM and when PM's were out, my box was empty, so woohoo! I'm easily excitable, what can I say? lol

He lied to you, I didn't get a PM. ;)

Now it's my turn to :popcorn:

Sorry I missed this game. Hopefully a new one starts up before long

That was a screw-up by me, honestly. I thought I did send one, but didn't. My bad.

No worries. I've never gotten a "you're dead" PM in my history of WW, to be honest. :)

I've had some games where I got one, and some where I didn't. I think I did the last game I ran. Of course, in that game NO ONE died (except one guy), but that's another story.

Vote review from Day 1. Please feel free to chime in with thoughts on this:

McCollins votes for Oliegirl (random.org) - post #125 1-0 Oliegirl leads
Racer votes Axxon (respects his wolf game) - post #128 1-1 Olie/Axxon
AlanT votes Hoops (payback) - post #134 1-1-1 Olie/Axxon/Hoops
Eagle votes Hoops (LOLcat) - post #136 2-1-1 Hoops/Olie/Axxon
Clap votes PB (just because) - post #141 2-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jets vote McCollins (pretty random) - post #142 2-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Path votes LSG (welcome back) - post #145 2-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
RendeR votes Clap (deserves D1 vote) - post #146 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Henry votes RendeR (Bengals fan) - post #148 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jackal votes PB (discussion/consolidation) - post #150 2-2 Hoops/PB
Alan unvotes Hoops, votes Eagle (negate run) - post #155 2-many PB leads
Telle votes McCollins (random/gut) - post #176 2-2 PB/McCollins
PB votes Clap (no reason given) - post #181 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
LSG votes Path (he picks on her) - post #185 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
Olie votes McCollins (he voted for her) - post #187 3-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Henry unvotes RendeR, votes McCollins (consolidate) - post #191 4-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Hoops votes Eagle (he voted for him 2nd) - post #197 - post #197 4-2-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap/Eagle
Path unvotes LSG, votes Eagle (2nd vote player, Jackal not a candidate) - post #203 4-3-2-2 McC/Eagle/PB/Clap
PB unvotes Clap, votes Eagle (tie it up) - post #204 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon votes Racer (respect) - post #212 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
RendeR unvotes Clap, votes PB (3 horse race) - post #214 4-4-3 McC/Eagle/PB
Pass votes PB (agrees with RendeR) - post #222 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Mrs S votes Jets (random.org) - post #240 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon unvotes Racer, votes PB (no reason given) - post #246 5-4-4 PB/McC/Eagle
KWhit votes Mccollins (watching late moves) - post #284 5-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Racer votes PB (more wary of him than McC) - post #286 6-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Chief votes McC (McC votes for him regularly) - post #287 6-6-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Jackal unvotes PB, votes Eagle (spice things up) - post #293 6-5-5 McC/PB/Eagle
Clap unvotes PB, votes Eagle (take this to 2?) - post #299 6-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Eagle unvotes Hoops, votes McCollins (self-preserve) - post 3316 7-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB

I'm out for the weekend, should be back late Sunday afternoon, but better get a vote in just in case.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

No real reason than he was my vote day 1 and I've got nothin' else right now. See you Sunday.

Not sure I buy this.

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

I was looking through all the posts Jackal made during the day. At first glance I don't really see any reason why he was killed but I thought I'd make it easier for anyone else wishing to do the same thing.

FYI, I guess my above post didn't include the quotes that Jackal included in some of his posts.

LOL yay! You're not "really" playing 'til you get a vote, right?

Hmm. It seems to me more likely that The Jackal's death was an attempt to setup Render and/or Racer at least based on the posts quoted by Racer above. I don't really see alot there that hints to me at least of being some kind of role and I can't think of any other reasons why they would have targeted him (other than some past grudge or something that I am unaware of). Some thoughts I had while trying to figure out what a pre-med student was. Someone mentioned perhaps it was to counter balance a poison type role that the wolves may have.. I realized that I don't really know what type of roles the wolves have. I thought I missed it, and re-read through the rules and don't see them there at all. Schmidty are the wolf roles just missing? I see a place there for them to be listed so it doesn't seem like they are purposely left out.. As for where I am going to vote today.. It is a long day, and I will be in at some point before deadline again this weekend so not in a huge rush to get my vote out. If I had to choose right now, I would copy my vote from yesterday though. Jackal's death doesn't tell us alot about yesterday's vote and neither does Mccollins death alone. I don't think we really have much to go on until we figure out what else was going on with yesterday's vote.. There were a ton of vote moves, especially late in the day which is very anti-villager. I think we need to try to understand better what exactly was occuring.

Ugh sorry for the wall of text in the last post.. my Firefox with no-script does that if I don't specifically allow operationsports.com to run scripts.. Quoted above is what I was trying to say, a little easier to read.

I am going to steal what Hoopsguy did, and add some color to it just to try to help me figure out a few things. If it helps others, then great!

Somewhere near the beginning of the thread, maybe the 2nd or 3rd page, Schmidty said that he did leave out the wolves roles on purpose. I believe it was McCollins who originally asked about them.

It was purposely left out, but I will say that some or all of the wolves in this game have special abilities.

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:) What he said, I mean.

Ok, thanks. Doesn't really help us figure out any further if there is some kind of poison role or what the pre-med role was. I'm not sure that really mattered a whole lot though. Just was trying to figure out other possible reasonings for his death.

She is new and has only learned from Schmidty.. so she wont be that good to start off ;)

Just kidding... I am going to cut her some slack though.

Alan, one of my impressions coming out of yesterday is that you had a higher level of comfort for PurdueBrad than the other two people on the block. Why did you feel that way? Do you still feel the same way?

I don't think my opinion yesterday about a PurdueBrad vote was as much about PurdueBrad as it was about how he ascended from nowhere as a third candidate. My thoughts was that it seemed very similar to the situation where St.Cronin was suddenly brought in as a third wheel when you and PB were both wolves up on the lynching block. There wasn't a real good reason why he was chosen, and then the votes for him just bandwagoned right to the lead without a good reason other than suddenly needing a third choice.

I think if Mccollins had ended up being a wolf, I would have felt a whole lot more trust for PurdueBrad today, but as Mccollins was a villager, then that thought process did not pan out too much. My only thoughts about him today have mainly been that I don't think he is playing like he is a brutal wolf or a duke as some had suggested.. I think he just has played with a defeatest attitude. My only other comment about him today that I remember making was that I think until we lynch Eaglefan or PurdueBrad, we won't really understand anything about the day 1 vote.

My reasoning for leaning towards voting EF today over PB currently with my vote is more to do with how others played yesterday moreso than either of these two played.

Looking back over your vote recap, I actually technically put PurdueBrad in a bit of danger earlier in the day by moving my vote off of you when it looked to be another early PB vs you matchup. So I'm not sure that it is fair to say that I favored him yesterday.. I think I was probably indifferent until votes 214, 222, 246, and 286 where 4 out of 5 "meaningful votes" were suddenly placed on PB and changed it from 4-4-2 to 6-5-4 out of the blue.

I'm not sure that I made much comments prior to that big run. Perhaps it was because I was here to watch the entire thing that made it seem more pronounced than people who read back afterwards though.

See, I didn't see the votes on PB as 3rd man coming out of nowhere - he was the second person (behind me) to get 2 votes. He was always in the top 3 from post #150 up until the end.

I agree that we don't know what to make out of yesterday's vote with one dead villager.

The piece that struck me yesterday was that Clap disappeared from the list of candidates. I wasn't pushing for him on the vote, but his disappearing while votes continued to build on McCollins, PB, and Eagle was the one that looked the most to me like potential protection.

Yeah, my vibe was more on the "PB seems to keep getting pushed to the top" comment, which had some traction based on responses in the thread and votes.

Also, I think both you and PB were suspicious of RendeR to some extent for perpetrating a three man race. Ditto Racer, to a lesser degree.

Again, this is more a case of me looking to have a conversation with you because:
a.) you are around
b.) I like when we are on the same team as villagers, so I'm looking to build some comfort

oh, and c.) you will actually answer questions :)

THe problem that I see with that theory is... If people were moving votes off of Clap to save him... who are the people that saved him? Render and/or PurdueBrad who moved their votes off of him... if PB and Clap are teammates, why would PB move his vote there to EF and not Mccollins? Or if Render and Clap are teammates, why even move your vote off of him at all at that point? And if all three are teammates, why would Render move his vote to PB?

The only point where I can start to buy into your theory is at the end of the day where Claphamsa moved his vote that he had all day from PB to Eaglefan which basically forced mccollins death. Claphamsa basically killed Mccollins without voting for him since Mccollins said he wasnt going to be around, and Eaglefan was in the thread with it publically already mentioned that he could have moved his vote.

So I guess if you are basing your thought on the end of the day, I guess it could lead somewhere, but once again that could be explained with what I said earlier.. we need to continue after either Eaglefan or PurdueBrad to see what happened on day 1.. if you are basing it on the day's earlier votes.. I'm not sure that tells me alot.

Well, I'll have to go back to see exactly when I made that comment.. for obvious reasons I don't really pay that close of attention to when or how I say things as much as others. :) But based off of my best recollection, I don't remember feeling strongly one way or another about PB until that 4 out or 5 meaningful vote run on him out of nowhere (at least in my mind). Perhaps I made that comment during that run, but it wasn't until then that it struck me as odd as best as I can remember.

Yeah.. I like to talk :)

I'm actually trying very very hard to not go off of my gut feeling for a vote today. I really feel strongly inside that Racer needs to be pressed. I think his day 1 actions were among the most suspicious, he has already had at least one post that I view as a "possible oops" and I am just getting a nagging feeling about him. The only thing holding me off of him right now is that mccollins wasn't a wolf. I actually have gone through the results from yesterday a few times to try to match up some explanation that could lead to Render, Eaglefan and Racer being bad that matches up with the lynch results.

I don't remotely buy into the idea that all three are teammates. I'm not the type to build "perfect" theories.

In terms of those two moving the votes, this potentially creates another question around PB. I've also go the thought running through my head that I talked about the value of a "walk away" as a wolf early in a game when we were wolves together. Publicly stating that you are going to be out can steer people away from voting for you ... after all, a wolf would stick around to make sure he defends himself from a lynch, right?

Right now, my mind is stuck on PB as the candidate of choice. I think I probably need to take a longer look at some other players in the game - could be a case of fixating on one scenario without adequately looking at other outcomes. But if I'm voting on EF and PB, I'm flipping from yesterday and going after PB.

Well I'm not going to stick my neck out for PB, I think we learn just as much information with his lynch as we do EagleFan's lynch. I just think based on my read of both players so far this game and how I feel about actions from others surrounding these two I feel more comfortable that PB is on my side. Call it 52% to 48% I guess!

And which side is that exactly?? :eek:

Alan,

If we could know for sure EagleFan's role how would that drive your vote? Same question about PurdueBrad?