i just made it a tie...cronin still has one of his own votes...neon, i think you should switch

Sorry, no can do. I can't take that chance. I have to go with my gut here. Just as everyone else has to, right now.

neon...here is the thing...the "ni'on" thing could not have been coincidence...the i and e keys are no where near each other...it had to have been intentional

no way the other demon would have come out and revelead as the other angel, because even if they get us to lynch gabriel tonight, we now know who BOTH of them are, and they arent any closer to victory since the angels dont count in the ratio...

Do you mean you can't take the chance that I'm lying, or something else?

Sorry, but I can't take the chance that you're lying. I already cast my vote, if you want to take others' votes, go ahead. I don't want to end up looking like a fool when I switch and it turns out Anxiety is the good guy.

We get Lucifer either way, today or tomorrow. I'd rather stick with my gut right now.

If I'm the demon, why did I put in orders to do work FIRST THING this morning! Wouldn't I want to keep myself available for voting?

i quote myself just to reinforce this to Our Lords leader on Earth....in the name of our Father, your grace, i implore you to reconsider, for i fear your are about to commit a serious transgression against warriors of God.

UNLESS the end game is today, and they can afford to take that risk.

Why?

How could the end game be today?

Look, if you're not going to switch because of your victory conditions, that's fine. But don't front that I'm lying. :p

I would be shocked if there is anyway the game can end today

highly unlikely...if there are only two angels, then there are only two demons

Neon, I have kind of a different kind of question for you. You're the bishop and you have your own winset that needs us to get the demons. However, if we still finish the cathedral tonight and survive the day, we're gold. How does you outing a demon tonight help you keep the game going if we're in the midst of finishing the cathedral? Do you have the ability to sabotage us or are you possibly leading us away from a demon to sabotage us? I have no read in the Anxiety vs. Cronin thing, but am curious why, if you need us not to finish the cathedral, you would out a demon when you kind of need their help at this point to keep the game going.

I slept until 3:30 today and then had to run some errands.

I see that I have some votes. I don't understand why. Should I do a reveal? I've tried not to be inconspicuous because I know that I'm important to the building of the Church.

Anyway, no matter what, I'm not using either of my actions to vote for a person, because I want to win.

Speaking of that: Can I work on a part of the building that's already done (unless it specifically says it can't be destroyed)?

That should be "I tried to be inconspicuous".

Schmidty, you have noting to worry about today. You are in no danger of being lynched

Ok. I'm just catching up.

I don't know if I count against the villager ratio, considering I owe no alliegiance to any faction. If the demons converted someone last night and if I don't count as a villager (unlikely as it sounds), then this IS end game.

You can, but if you catch up, you'll see that your votes are needed to save Gabriel.

You're proposing to Lathum that there was a conversion?

there are 12 people alive...if you dont count...that makes 11...if 2 are angels and 2 are demons, that leaves 7 villagers.

even if there are 3 of each, that is 5 to 3 and as long as a villager is not the target tonight, we are safe until tomorrow night.

If there is still an oppritunity for a conversion with the cultist dead then this game was lost from the start.

I should have roleplayed in this game. Unfortunately, I had no idea how to roleplay a mason. Maybe I could have declared my unhealthy love of bricks or something.

i havent caught up on posts just posting on my phone to say I wont be around until close to deadline back later

The conversation's gone about the way I expected. Even if you all lynch me today, that will still be good for the angels, village, and Bishop.

VOTE ANXIETY

If Alan really is the Duke, he's going to be in a tough spot.

So, as I asked above, can I work on something that is done, to further thwart any attempt at destruction during the night?

As I answered above, yes, but you might want to vote to save Gabriel instead.

By the way: it should be clear that saldana and Neon were communicating on day 2. Saldana said, several times, that he was going to vote with the Bishop. I posted "Nion Chaos," and cast a vote. Saldana IMMEDIATELY changed his vote to match mine, before Neon even did.

So, saldana obviously knew about the Ni clue on that day.

Ok, I didn't see that. My bad.

Honestly, I think that me voting for a person, unless it totally assures us of winning, is a waste.

Well it's currently a 7-7 tie. While I would like the security of doubling up, I'm actually confident that PB is going to do it right, and I know I will. I think the other one working on it is path? That one's a bit sketchy, since his vote is on cronin. But it might just be that he hasn't checked in yet.

So, voting Anxiety instead of st. cronin is essential to us winning? If so, I'll do it.

Ok, I'm heading out. This has turned out perfectly; my main worry in revealing was that, because I wasn't able to name him, it would be unclear who Lucifer actually was. But lynch him today, or tomorrow, and we're in good shape.

this is wrong...i have never been in contact with the bishop.

i already explained that i thought the bishop had the ability to read the truth of someone elses statement in the thread and that is how he knew that our vote for DaddyTorgo was wrong on day one.

Fine.

VOTE ANXIETY

I thought pass's buddying up to cronin earlier int eh game was just as a villager, but it makes sense that you are a demon.

Hey, at least my death will bring about truth here.

Pass, it was uninventive to claim you were Michah after I already psoted that Michah was in teh game and on my side.

if pass is lying, why hasnt the "real" michah come out and called him on it.

What can I say, you got a lucky guess?

If you want to prove me wrong, up the ante. Shouldn't one of the real angels be saying that I'm wrong?

Not only that, I'd like to know what you mean by buddying up.

Heading out -- don't know if I will be back by deadline, but I think I've made my point.

Wow, I guess I have.

lol

Just got back from dsinner and I am sad to see my post missing from about 50 minuites ago when I left. I posted and then got up, but when I returned, teh page still had that post up and was still "thinking" about posting.

So my post is gone, and I thought it was pretty decent.

I dont want my co-angels to reveal. Everybody will know in 15 minutes or so.

Well, my puter says 10. Catch ya'll at the end of the game.

Good result on the vote. Now hopefully path didn't screw up his work -- but if he did, that would certainly out him, so that seems unlikely.

Just got home and caught up, hopefully we ended up lynching the right person tonight...I guess we are just waiting on BK to get here and post results, right?

Deadline comes around. The village is on its toes. Rocks are taken up. Anxiety begins to run, when there is a trumpet. The kitchen boy from the Castle comes out.

"Uh. I have this uh pronouncement. Seem the lord leige declared before he went to sleep... I mean before he attended to buisness, that Lathum, the Knight, was to be killed today."

Lathum protests and fights off the first couple of soldiers who attack him, but their numbers are too much.

Alas it appears that he was on the side of good. And the ferocity with which he fought of the guards tells you that if he had been attacked by the demons (or anyone else for that matter) he'd like have been able to fight them off once.


In better news the Cathedral is finished. Hopefully you can keep it standing.

Walls - Finished
Roof - Completed (May take no further damage)
Windows - Finished
Artwork - Completed (May take no further damage)
Carpentry - Finished

Actions for the day:

Artwork – Pass (803), Pass (803), Purdue (804), path (982)
Carpentry – Purdue (804)

Anxiety – st.cronin (917), Mr. W (953), Mr. W (953), Lathum (964), Lathum (964), saldana (999), saldana (999), cronin (1025), schmidty (1035)
Cronin – Neon (940), Neon (940), olie (956), olie (956), Anxiety (963), Anxiety (963), path (982)

Unused actions:
Alan T 2
Schmidty 1

I love the way AlanT plays and have the utmost respect for his play but that was one of the biggest bonehead plays ever made

I'm out for the night but hopefully, with some angelic help, the cathedral lasts the evening.

I sense that the Lord is near...

...and, wow. We don't get to find out who the fuck is telling the truth.

Blast it, now we have to go through another day of this crap instead of everybody figuring out what is going on and moving on.

Man, maybe I shouldn't have bothered. I guess Alan put that order in sometime in the morning, and didn't get back in time to change it.

Wow. I take it this will be an interesting night.

that sucked. that may have been one of the worst plays ever.

dola...what that should say is,

unless alan is a demon, that is one of the worls plays ever.

reason i say that is, OK, alan is going to say he put in his order before he left and thought he was going to be back in time, but ended up not making it back before 10.

but where is he now....why hasnt HE posted that explanation yet.? when i have been a wolf in the past and gotten caught doing something wolfish, I ususally just shut up and dont say anything...i dont admit to anything, i dont vehemently deny anything...i just let silence speak for me.

You awake to find that the demons have wrought some revenge upon the Cathedral.

Left to do:

Walls - Finished
Roof - Completed - May not be further damaged
Windows - Finished
Artwork - Completed - May not be further damaged
Carpentry - 6 units of work

Ugh, sorry guys I screwed up :( I have actually been putting in conditional duke orders every morning just in case I couldn't get back.. yesterday just sucked.

I want to share a bit about how my role works, its a little different than normal but have to ask Barkeep what I can and can't say about it (since some parts I was told if I spoke of it, I would lose the ability). I'll drop him a PM to ask what I can and can't say.

I'm feeling a little bit defeated, I think I was completely wrong to distrust Cronin now (same as Lathum), I should have stuck to my initial instinct about Path and Anxiety, and just think I have played a lousy game all around. Anyways, I guess I'll start up what should have happened yesterday... We need to kill Anxiety, Path and Neon.

Vote Anxiety
Vote Anxiety

Dola, I dropped BK a PM.. I'll be around until about 1pm I think today EST.. After that I'm gone all weekend likely until either late sunday night or monday some time.

Ok, barkeep sent me a PM saying I can talk about my restrictions and role a bit. I'm not quoting the entire thing obviously, and everyone will be able to see the full PM if/when I die anyhows.

I am the Lord Leige
I like the way people respect me
I am not going into details about who or how or when I could duke someone, its obvious that I could/can. There is an interesting twist that I am leaving out in case it is useful later.

Day 1 & 2 I can not duke anyone unless it was to save myself.
As I am a powerful lord, I should leave the meaningless work to the peasants. On days 1 & 2 I have to make at least 1 vote each day (ie: I am not allowed to work twice on any area). Days 3 onwards, I am not allowed to work on any area of the cathedral.

If I speak of any of these restrictions before day 3, I will lose my powers completely.


Thats probably the best summary I can provide without outright quoting my PM in a ungamesman way.

Well, I've been trying to figure this out overnight. I'm concerned that for the villagers, we may genuinely be approaching an end game situation now depending on the number of demons. I am more than happy to continue to work on the carpentry, which we should be able to finish yet again, but does that even help now? Are we at the point where we need to lynch a demon to keep the game going? I'll hold off this time on submitting my moves until I see some discussion on what is our best course of action.

I guess we know Alan is a demon then, because I know I'm not.

That is the only reply you have? No explanation of how you possibly were duped the first several days defending Anxiety? No explanation of how even though he is bad you were misled? No effort at all to try to even save face a little bit?

For whatever its worth, you had finally convinced me that you were ok this game. You definitly played a much different style game than in the past when you were bad. I'll love to hear the explanation for what happened days 1 & 2 that prompted your strategy. We can talk about all of that once the game is done.

I think this will require a lot of finesse on all sides. We want to be sure of killing Anxiety, but also want to make sure we can get the cathedral repaired.

I agree.. I've placed two votes on Anxiety, I think we need at least 7 in total to make sure to lynch him. There are what 10 of us alive? Thats 20 total actions. We need 6 to comlete the cathedral again, and probably want an extra 2 just in case of foul play.

I think if we assume the demons have 6 actions, that leaves us with 14. We need to use 7 for anxiety and 7 for the cathedral and then hope for the best I guess. I think its far more important to lynch Anxiety today than anything though, so getting the 7th vote there is important.

We also need to worry about Neon Chaos. On the other hand, do we really think the wolves are going to out their entire team to save Anxiety?

I just went back and counted.. looks like we have 11 people left:

Evil:
Bishop: Neon Chaos
Butcher: Anxiety
Peon: path12

Good:
Lord Leige: Alan T
Page: oliegirl
Friar: saldana
Blacksmith: Pass
Shepard: st.cronin

Unknown:
Goldsmith: Mr. Wednesday
Mason: Schmidty
Carpenter: PurdueBrad


Based on the three bad people pretty much being outed at this point, I am assuming the three unknowns are also all good right now. Otherwise I think numberwise we would have lost the game last night. (Assuming there were 3 angels, 3 demons and 1 convert).
If there are 4 demons left, we actually need 9 votes on anxiety to be safe, if only 3 demons then we need 7 votes on him to be safe.

If there are 4 demons and we put 9 votes on Anxiety, that leaves us only 5 actions to finish the cathedral and it won't get done. If there are 3 demons and we put 7 votes on Anxiety, that leaves 9 actions for the cathedral and we're all set in both places..

Obviously today its more important to kill Anxiety than finish the cathedral though, I think we need to make sure that is done without room for foul play.

Aren't they already outed? Neon was actively campaigning to save Anxiety yesterday under his ruse as the bishop. Path already has saved Anxiety a few times this game. At this point its end game and I am guessing they will do whatever they need to win if possible. I think we have to assume that there are 3 demons and its those three. So we need to put in actions to guard against that many demons.

The thing about path is that he helped finish the Cathedral.

And I'm not sure we can trust olie's reveal. It could be that she would have been a bodyguard, if not for being a demon. So she knows that no one else has that role, and it's a safe reveal.

You are grasping at straws Pass...I'm a villager and I'm the bg. Show me one thing I've done to hurt the village...we have 3 people who are pretty much confirmed as bad, don't go looking for trouble where trouble doesn't exist.

Two votes for cronin last night?

When everyone else had votes on Cronin, and I specifically stated that I was leaving about 7:15 or 7:30 and would be gone til after deadline so I would NOT be able to move my vote.

Had I been around last night when everything happened and the information became available, I would have moved my vote.

You asked me to show you one thing you've done to hurt the village, and I showed you two.

Anyway, I'm just exploring all our options -- I don't think path being evil is a done deal. You can buy trust by putting in work on the cathedral -- that way we'll know you're not going to vote to save Anxiety.

BS, you showed me on - I cast both votes together. Don't be an ass on this - other than last night's vote, I've not done ANYTHING that would hurt the village, and my saying I wouldn't be around last night should clear me from anything regarding my vote.

Cool. Then why not put some work in on the Cathedral?

Save face? Because I didn't realize that my brother might be something else? OMG, getting played in werewolf, that's never happened before, however will I recover?!? ;)

The thing is though that I believe Neon's interpretation of his code word. It was formatted properly whereas I could see if there is a chance that Neon's message to Gabriel could have been leaked that maybe there were some differences in translation, like punctuation.

So if I've been misled so badly, I might as well keep it going. I'm on Neon's and Anxiety's side. Your duke was bad, you've been a top suspect in my mind all along, and I think that whatever side you're on I'm on the opposite.

Fixed that for you.

This really applies for all the questionable folk around here. It would definitely send a message that you're not going to vote to save anxiety later if you put in some work on the cathedral, which you can't change.

Thanks, I appreciate the help! :)

Are you serious? Why exactly would you believe Cronin rather than Anxiety? Don't let them lead you into a bad decision.

Because I would prefer to save my votes until later to make sure both my votes aren't needed to get a demon tonight. If I put a work order out now and then something happened and we lost a demon b/c there weren't enough votes, you'd jump my shit for voting early and tell me it was a wolfish move.

You have got to be kidding me.

Should have said I might have moved my vote...when I voted for Cronin it's b/c I was voting with NC, thinking he was good...when the rest of the information came out, I might have rethunk my vote.

We still need either 7 or 9 votes to kill Anxiety and keep others from switching. I think if we finish the cathedral but Anxiety is not lynched, we might not make it another day for the win. If we lynch anxiety but the cathedral is not finished, it means they then have to kill at night just to keep up pace, and we hopefully have a chance to block the night kill.

I think we have to ensure that Anxiety is getting lynched with at least enough votes that people can't change their votes later to save him today. That to me is the most important thing for the day.

I agree with this. That's why I want the questionable people to put in the work on the cathedral, so that the known goods can be the ones to take care of Anxiety.

There's enough votes available by known good people that we'll be okay.

Keep working it. Maybe you'll fool someone.

Fool someone into what?

You play your way and I'll play mine, I'm not going to be forced into doing something before I'm ready to do it. Cast your votes/work actions now if you want to, but I want to wait.

Hey, I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm just telling you how you can help the village.

I will help the village, just as I have done during the whole game.

Alan, I have stated my reasons for voting for st.cronin yesterday.

You do know that you made of the dumbest plays in the history of werewolf? Right? Good. As long as we're clear on that.

I never campaigned for anyone to vote with me. I just voted with my gut. You can't disappear for the rest of the day when there was a crucial vote going on, and then start calling out the people who ACTUALLY were there.

You're wrong about me.

Just also want to say, because I revealed my ability to talk to Gabriel yesterday, I apparently lost it permanently and couldn't talk to him anymore. So, whether it's st.cronin or Anxiety, I really don't give much of a rat's ass.

We could have figure out who Lucifer was yesterday, and it's your fault we don't. Don't make dumb assumptions when you were gone the entire day yesteday and fucked everything up.

Good! You said a few minutes ago that you want to wait -- can I ask what you're waiting for? I mean, what could possibly happen between now and deadline that would change your mind about what action to take?

And my reveal, with no counter, is still meaningless to you?

I could ask you the same question Pass...why haven't you voted yet this morning, or started working on the Cathedral? So far only AlanT has used his votes today, yet you are only jumping on me about why I haven't voted????

Until we figure out who the hell Gabriel is, yes.

I know you might be telling the truth, Pass, but how do I know that you're not a demon who lucked out that Michah isn't in this game?

The only way I'll know is if either st.cronin or Anxiety dies and we figure out who the hell is Gabriel or Lucifer.

You have to look at it MY way. If this was normal werewolf, I would have been more inclined to believe your reveal.

As it is, why would an angel try to save another angel and slay a demon by revealing himself, when it's clear that slaying the demons aren't in the angels' major victory condition?

The only reason I can see someone saying that he's an angel to save someone is if he's actually a demon, and buying some time to save Lucifer so they can get the right numbers against the villagers.

I'm sorry Pass. But I have to stick with my gut.

DOLA - and I already told you why I was waiting in post 1083, but in case it wasn't clear...it's because in this game, nothing is ever as it seems until the game is over. For all we know there is someone out there with a hidden agenda that we don't know about yet. For all we know, someone is going to cast votes for someone for an unexplainable reason and last minute votes will be needed to ensure we lynch a demon tonight. I'd rather not cast my votes this early and then be in a position where I can't help.

Sure, I'll step up.

WORK ON CARPENTRY
WORK ON CARPENTRY

And for the record, I wasn't jumping on you about why you haven't voted. Defensive much? I was saying that you can help gain trust from the village, if you put work in on the Cathedral.