If Elicense hasn't helped you yet I have access to the order database for the old game and can usually find it if you pm me your name and email address or city so I can verify it was your order.

The number of players declaring is accurate to what has happened in real life. I'm open for discussion about the overall distribution for which types of players are declaring. The problem is there are going to be players who enter the draft early who won't get drafted. Last year 51 players entered the draft early and a quick count tonight shows that 15 went undrafted. I'll make myself a note to spend some more time looking at it some more to make sure there aren't too many highly rated guys staying in school which would mean too many lower guys are leaving get the overall numbers in the right range.

I sent you an email reply as well. This should take care of the issues you've run into in the demo:

http://www.fbbgames.com/FBCB2010DemoUpdate.exe

great service.... seems to be working now.

In my 4th year at Eastern Illinois, at 70% I have 3 starters out - including our leading scorer (20.7 ppg). This was supposed to be our year to contend for the OVC title.

Yr 5 at EIU, with 4 seniors starting we win the conference title both regular season and tournament. Get a #15 seed in the NCAA against 2-seed and #4 in the Polls Wright State, we beat them comfortably. Then in the 2nd round face a beatable Kent State team, we lead all game until they finally take the lead with 5 minutes left and go on a 15-0 run to end up blowing us out. Our stud had 37 points in the loss, on his way to OVC POY and 3rd team All-American.

Yeah, default setting seems to result in too many injuries, but I admit to not following college basketball closely enough to really know. Seems like most seasons I have at least one significant injury where a guy is out for a month or so. Or more accurately, on average it's one per season - some seasons I have nothing more than a few minor injuries, some seasons I have multiple major injuries.

Do we know if injuries are purely random, or do they have some correlation with a player's stamina rating?

Seems like a combo of facilities and stamina.

Balldog,

You seem like an active player with this game. Just curious on your thoughts. Are you finding the results realistic? Sometimes when reading your posts I am not sure if you are pointing out potential concerns or just recapping what happened and really enjoy it.

Thanks!

I really like the game, its taken up much of my gaming time lately. Maybe you are sensing a tone of frustration, which is solely because I really haven't been able to achieve much success in the FBCB 2010.

If I had to nitpick, my only complaints would be - late game AI, Human Coach firing logic, and the range of scores (there are too many high scoring games and low scoring games, the average per game is right on but in general there are too many 45-42 games and too many 113-97 type games).

Took me a while, but I've done a pass at modifying the logo pack that Groundhog put together in the attempt to better match the colors that Brian used for teams in the UI, and in a few cases I found newer logos for a few teams.

A couple notes:

1. First off, huge props to Groundhog for doing the heavy lifting of putting together his collection of logos - after doing my pass on these, I realize what a huge undertaking it was;

2. I know that in several cases, the primary color that Brian has used for a team in the game UI isn't really totally accurate, and in those cases the logo color modification I've made may result in the logo being technically wrong; my main intent was just to have the UI and the logos look like they go together, and frankly I'm just not familiar enough with the logos for most of the teams in the smaller conferences to really know the difference

If anyone that uses this pack finds that it includes logos that are out of date, let me know and point me to examples of the current logo(s) and I'll see what I can do to make updated versions.

Would it be possible for the game to keep track of the total number of players drafted from each school in addition to the number of first round picks, top 15, etc.?

I'm thinking about giving it a go as i have not played it since purchase and after going back to College hoops 2k8, i'm in college hoops mod.

Besides downloading dawgfan's logos, is the game default database accurate for 2011 or is there any other custom db with correct tourney/conferences/teams names and nicknames, formats, etc?

I think this one covers it:

http://operationsports.com/fofc/show...&postcount=828

The season _starting_ in November 2011 will require some additional modifications. I'll do my best to list those here:

Leaving D-1:
Centenary, New Orleans

Conference changes (incomplete, I'm sure):
Big XII will begin double-round robin play
Pacific 10 becomes Pacific 12

Teams changing conferences:
Boise State (from WAC to Mtn West)
BYU (from Mtn West to WCC)
Campbell (from A-Sun to Big South)
Colorado (from Big XII to Pac 12)
Nebraska (from Big XII to Big Ten)
North Carolina Central (from Indy to MEAC)
Savannah State (from Indy to MEAC)
SIU Edwardsville (from Indy to OVC)
South Dakota (from Great West to The Summit)
Utah (from Mtn West to Pac 12)

And, while we're at it, 2012 moves:
Denver (from Sun Belt to WAC)
Fresno State (from WAC to Mtn West)
Hawaii (from WAC to Big West)
Nevada (from WAC to Mtn West)
North Dakota (from Great West to Big Sky)
Seattle (from Indy to WAC)
Southern Utah (from The Summit to Big Sky)
TCU (from MWC to Big East)
Texas-Arlington (from Southland to WAC)
Texas-San Antonio (from Southland to WAC)
Texas State (from Southland to WAC)

Utah State and San Jose State are staying put in the WAC.

Dola - still a possibility that the WAC might invite Seattle U to the WAC for basketball starting in 2012.

For you guys with long-running careers, what do you do with teams that drop out of div 1? Do you rename them to the new schools, or make them indys? I've just been making them indy.

As a lifetime fan and alum of the University of New Orleans, I leave them right where they are and gaze at the Sun Belt standings through the tears. But that's just me.

I usually rename them or make them indies, depending on the school.


Yeah, that'd be rough.

Just discovered a gameplay discrepancy while I was trying to figure out a rules issue. No offensive fouls should result in an award of free throws. At present, the game engine awards free throws for illegal screens (it may do it for charges, too, but I haven't seen it in the several games I've simmed today).

Thanks, that clears it up for me.

Not for charges, no.

Illegal screens should result in free throws.

Just got a RTE 9 while scrolling through the assistant hiring screen

So here is a list of players I did not win out on in my latest season. Prestige is at a 76 in the Big 10. My recruiting set at an 80. Coordinator is a 78. Five scholarships available...tons of open playing time.

Lost a player to a 75 same conference school -- out of state for me and other school. Close enough that I can live with it.

Lost a player to a 54 school -- player went to in state school, I was out of state. Perhaps but the difference in prestige makes this questionable. It was a lesser conference as well. More on this later.

Lost a player to a 43 school -- Player was in my state. Chose a lesser conference out of state school.

Lost a player to a 69 school -- both schools big 10. Both teams out of state for the player. One that I can buy.

Lost a player to a 39 school -- Both schools instate. Much lesser conference for the other school.

Lost a player to a 17 school, both schools out of state, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a 54 school, both schools out of state, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a 53 school out of state compared to in state for me...same conference.

Lost a player to the same 17 school above. Both out of state, they are much lower conference.

Lost a player to a 54 school. Both out of state, they much lower conference.

Lost a player to a 68 school...they chose an in state school in the south. Totally understand.

Lost a player to a 44 school. They chose an in state school in the south. Questionable given the difference in prestige but I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

Lost a player to a 26 school. Both out of state schools for the player, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a higher prestige school out of state. THey were an 84 school. While I trailed by 8 prestige, I was in state...seems like same logic from above didn't apply. I lost a player in this situation where other schools won against me when the situation was reversed.

Lost a player to a 73 prestige school. Both teams out of state. Not a major issue here.

Lost a player to an 80 prestige school in state. Understand.

Lost a player to a 26 school with both out of state, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a 44 school with both out of state, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a 32 school with both out of state, much lesser conference.

Lost a player to a 64 school...player went with in-state school. Again the logic baffles me as I lose out on a very similar situation and this is my 2nd loss in this manner.



Basic conclusion...this game has no logic to it all. Just as I suspected. It certainly gives the illusion of a great game but in the end you're either going to get players or not get players based upon some arbitrary system that has no way to play any strategy toward it. It matters not if you're in state. It matters not if you have higher prestige. It matters not if you have better recruiting rankings. It matters not if you are in a better conference.

This was definitely the last time I'll be playing this game unless some major (and hoped for) changes are made. The core gameplay is really awesome but it's all random luck.

Sorry you're having such a hard time with it.

The thing you're not stating in your above post is:

- How much are you spending on each recruit each month - are you going all out?
- When you offered a scholarship - did those other schools offer before you? And if so, how many months earlier?

Those two things matter a lot. High prestige certainly helps a great deal, but if you're even a month behind offering him compared to a school 10-15 prestige points lower, you could potentially lose that kid because you were too slow to pull the trigger.

I have not found the recruiting to be as illogical as you seem to think it is. While I'd love more feedback from the recruits about what they're looking for, I also feel like I have enough of a grasp on how the system works that I'm rarely shocked at a recruit's decision.

What were these recruits interest in coming to your school to start with?

It would help to understand what star ranking these players have too. Taking a quick glance at Rivals.com the 2010 class you can see similar decisions from players choosing lower prestige or conference schools over Big 10 offers.

Doesn't matter...I've tried both ways. Same results.

I did nothing but target 2 or 3 star players. Never even tried for a 4 or 5 star player. All had interest of at least average to start with. I targed very high or high players immediately, giving scholarship offers to those I felt worthy enough and that I should get. Then I spent any leftover money picking and choosing from the average interes players trying to get some of them to high or very high interest in case.

I won't touch any player with a low or very low.


Honestly, I've tried everything guys. It doesn't seem to matter what strategy I use when it comes to targeting players, spending money, or anything else.

As I said, I'm fine with players choosing like that if there's an indication that they might. Why am I going to spend my time going after such players only to find out that they will do that. At least then I can chooe to bail. Same with a player staying closer to home or wanting to go far from home. Without being able to tell that, those two types of players are essentially the same.

There needs to be more information given for the players after they have been evaluated. Information containing what things are important to them in their selection so you can decide whether you want to continue to pursue them.

I can tell you that for the Big Ten both you and your recruiting coordinators are way to low in their ratings to be getting top tier kids period, so thats the first thing that you need to fix and they might be similiar to the other schools that you are loosing recruits out too that are in the lower conference.

The second thing that sticks out ot me right away is that you have 5 schlorships open and thats is tough in any situation. If you didnt go after 2 kids right away that had you number 1 on their list, you are going to get killed with spreading your money out, and not keeping it focused on a certain number of recruits which again is why you loose recruits.

While I cant say for certain that is what you did, id put it at 99% because you went right down the line with these recruits, and every week you arent maxing and focusing all your money on a few kids the lower conferences are and you cant make up that time difference.

While you are right sometimes you just get hosed and you cant figure out why, this game is pretty darn close to being realistic.

The things that you say matter.


However there are a lot more that goes into this than that. Your head coach recruting rating, your coordinaor recruiting rating, being realistic on who you can get (even with a big ten school becuase a 76 prest is on the high middle side) how many guys you max, how many schlorships you have to hand out, are they going to get PT with the guys in front of them, where they have you on their list compared to other teams, literally the game is so deep you can keep going here with reasons.

My suggestion is to change how you recruit (ie, who you recruit, who you max, and who your fallbacks are) because once you do get the hang of it, the game becomes really fun.

My recruiting ratings and my coordinators ratings were higher than every school's that I lost a player to except in the cases where I said it didn't bother me.

How in the world does anyone start at the top of a player's list? I'm NEVER #1 on a player's list right from the start and players can have interest ranked high or very high and I'm not even in their top 5.

I'm not real tech savvy when it comes to file sizes, etc...

Would it be possible for Rowech to send me his league file and I'll play a few seasons with his team and see how I do with recruiting?

You beat me too it. I was actually going to offer up him sending me his files, and then we could continue the conversation though email or PM with regards to who he was targeting exc. I also wouldn't mind just mulling around with his file to see the history as well.

I think you have two offers Rowech, if you would like them. The game has given me so much fun in my down time, I would want anyone to have the same experience.

This. I play it on my laptop while the wife and I watch TV at night, it is almost a nightly thing for me.

This. Usually when I have 5 schollys with a mid-level prestige/budget, I act like I only have 2-3. It's all in the sequence of events and with a bit of good luck (as all games should have a luck factor). That's what makes college games so challenging and fun since recruiting is the core of the game. I hope others can help in learning because it is fun and does make sense.

This was a nice offer by you guys....I hope you post progress if you handle through PM/email. I am eager to see if there are really any issues before I pull the trigger myself.

Just take Indiana as your team. Level 10. Give yourself 80 on recruiting, 80 on scouting, 70 on offense and defense. Go from there.

No, 100-100-50-50.

Im confused on this. When I am a school that high in prestige and I target a 3 star early on I will usually get him unless a Kansas or North Carolina type school comes knocking. Are you sending the head coach and assistant each time and bringing them to campus ASAP?

i would rather have your exact file so we can be as accurate as possible

If he zipped it up for you Id imagine it could be sent via email.

Also focus on the High & Very High interest guys, its tough to get the Average guys...usually there is a reason they don't have you listed as High+ interest - playing time, location, prestige or whatever it may be.

Yes and Yes. With all due respect guys, I'm not an idiot. Like I said before, I have NEVER had trouble with a simulation type game like I am with this one. I understand to target guys with high to very high interest. I understand not to go after guys that bigger schools are targeting. I undersand to focus on guys I want and I understand to do as much as possible and as quickly as possible with the guys I want leaving any extra for backup options.

Here is generally what I do since so many are wondering...

Recruiting turn 1...

Evaluate anyone with high or very high interest regardless of location. Evaluate any 2-4 star player in Indiana. Evaluate any 2-3 star players in the Midwest region who are a) not being targeted by a school with an 80+ prestige and b) have stats that would indicate being a good player and c) have average or above interest.

Recruiting turn 2...

Any player who comes back by my scout with green potential or blue potential get put on my call list. This typically will be right around 20 players. If too many, I keep tabs on the others by putting them on my watch list. If too few, I will add some yellow potential players to the list if their stats indicate my scout could be wrong. I will not add anyone to the call list who has low or very low interest.

I then decide who my targets are looking for players who are clearly not in the game with anybody with a prestige as high as my school (75 or so depending on season) and have ideally blue scouting with good stats or green scouting with good stats. I go head coach visit and assistant visit. on those players and then any money left over I start focusing on backup options. Offer scholarships to the main targets.

Recruiting turn 3...

Campus visits for those who I've targeted along with head coach and assistant visits. Typically leaves no money left over.

Recruiting turn 4...

Head coach and assistant visits for main targets, spend leftover money on backup options.

Recruiting turn 5...

Do the same as above if I haven't lost the players already.

i dont think anyone is calling you an idiot rowech, in fact, many are offering examples and advice on how to help in your situation.
you seem to really be in the minority though when it comes to the problem you are having, because i for one can also attest to the realism and FUN factor in just the recruiting aspect of the game.
if you like strategy games and sims as much as you say you do, then i would listen to everyones help, and...change your strategy. if you got EVERY recruit you went after every time, what fun would that be?

the game is solid, VERY well supported and isnt supposed to be easy. its not an EA sports sim.

im sorry if i came off rude, but really, people on here are trying to help you and you dont seem to me, to be taking their help or advice. if what youre doing isnt working, then the only constant in the equation...is you.

take the advice, change your strat and enjoy the game :)

- You should be putting 20 people on your call list week 1 even before you scout them.
- I would offer scholarships week 1 to the highest rated players you're scouting. If you find better targets week 2, switch them, but if you've put someone on your call list/offered them and week 2 comes around and you're behind one or multiple schools there better be a real good reason to continue pursuing that recruit (double the prestige, schools ahead of you are big time but not offering, etc)
- It's a bit of a cheap ploy, but especially when I have 4 or more scholarships I save the last 4-5 Call List spots on Foreign recruits. Usually unless they're top 50 you'll be at Very High interest by September without even spending money yet.

what Bishop said about putting 20 people on your call list month 1-and don't be afraid to put some with Low or Very Low Interest on your call and watch list if they have no interest or one school on them-schools do change their minds and/or get a better recruit at a position and drop players they were on leaving them open for you perhaps-doesn't always work, but sometimes you can snag some good recruits late in the process this way.

-don't be afraid to go after initially academically ineligible as some will become eligible. Don't bother with the ones with the 600 or so SAT scores of course. :) Don't be afraid to go after Junior College players-the AI will often pass on them initially. Same with foreign players-even if you can't scout them due to budget problems-worth the risk if the stats are very good.

-the bottom of the 3-stars (say 300 to the end around 450) can often be a good target area to start with-especially with a team like Indiana. Many Green or Blue there worth pursuing and the bigger schools may not go after them as much as the better rated schools.

-maybe if you have the money in month 1 still, offer campus visits then as well as coach visits and not worry as much about backup targets. I play smaller schools generally so don't have the money for that, but it could help in some cases if you do it then.

I put 20 on my call list no matter what month one and scout as many as I can. I start with the v high, then high. Once I get to the averages I look for guys who may be a good fit or have the best numbers.

Month 2 I check and see who is on my v high and high and I load up on them. Asst, Head coach, and visit + scholarship if possible. If I have any money left I move to the average list.

Next month I just continue to load up on the guys who I have made offers to until they decide. I have never had many issues.

Even in month two, I have 20 on my list - adding new ones that even after the first month, I see no chance which I drop off the list.

So, what is the purpose of the call list? Perhaps this is a major part of the game I'm missing out on? I just assumed it was a way to organize the 20 kids you really want to go after. Is there a benefit to putting a kid on the list?

I think so Rowech. If I recall I had started recruiting one season without using it and wondered a few months down the road why I wasn't doing so hot. I reloaded a previous save after I noticed that because I think it was that detrimental.

DING DING DING

This is what you are missing. It is definitely a core part of recruiting, and not just a cosmetic thing. It signals to the recruit you are interested in them, and they then will look at your school and evaluate their interest in you.

cartman is correct.

Probably a dumb question...after you secure the number of recruits you need to offer scholarships, is there any point to continue recruiting each month? I am assume not, but wasn't sure why the recruiting options just didn't become disabled after that point, unless meant to allow you to see what other schools do.

Second question, is there a report/screen somewhere that grades the recruiting classes of each school and ranks them? If not, how do you know from an overall perspective how well you really did? Or is it more of an individual thing?

Sly, do you mean after all of your scholarships have been accepted? There is no reason to do any recruiting actions after that.

Once I secure my recruits I stop paying attention to the recruiting page.

In regards to the rankings of your class you should get an email at the end of each season with your overall rank. If you would like a more in-depth review, under the Season tab on the left click History. Second or so from the bottom. Then click REC RANKINGS and there is a bunch of good information there.

Thanks Buc and scoob, you answered my questions. I thought that was the case about recruiting, seems to make sense.

Sorry for all these questions, but a couple more.

1) If you cut a player, how do you fill his spot? Or does that spot stay empty all year?

2) I am not that familiar with all the college rules and such. Just started a season where 5 of my players were immediately suspended for academics. Is the college rule they stay on your roster and your stuck with a short bench until they come back?

Well, I just recruited a season with more of a focus on using the call list better. I did this fairly quickly so not quite as much focus as I might normally give but I landed the #80 class in the country. Picked up an all-state SG ranked #156 in the country. A PG ranked #254 in the country. A SF ranked #664 in the country. Fell off trying to get that third guy in the class. I should have jumped off a player and switched and didn't. Paid the price on him.

No clue if moderate success will continue but maybe this will bear some fruit.

If you have players transfer out or leave early for the NBA draft, you'll get additional scholarships to offer at the end of April. Since the only players left are <1000 ranking, it's almost always not worth it, but if you're playing with a small team I'll usually keep scouting (usually the biggest players) and see if I can get a diamond in the rough. Particularly if you know you'll only have 3 post players next year or 2 guards, or 6 Seniors on scholarship I'll scout the JC guys as a quick stopgap that only really wastes a scholarship for one season, since it would be unused anyway their JR year.

(This is FBCB2 obviously. The original I think players declared for the draft after training camp and you could offer their scholarships then. I can see why Brian made the change, but without any high-profile recruits waiting until April to sign it can be frustrating if you know you'll have multiple early entries.)

i have high hopes for you rowech! i hope all the help everyone is giving you pays off for you. this is a terrific game...yes, im a fanboy, but it is :)

i think the recruiting feature is almost a game itself. a friend of mine played it this way, where i handled all the recruiting, and spent loads of time on it, and he handled everything else. it is quite fun.

good luck!

1. You dont your correct. Youll get another walk on the next year to replace the guy you cut.

2. Yes they stay on your roster and they are eligible to come back when the second semester starts (Jan 1).

Glad to hear it!!!! Keep us updated. If you ever start over, I would also make sure that your head coach is as close to being maxed out on the recruiting attribute as you can. There is always debate on the other 3, but that one is the most important to max out.

Playing the demo and I quick observation. Why didn't my starters all start the 2nd half? Everyone should be rested.

IIRC... correct me if I'm wrong here: If you don't use all your scholarships in a previous year or your roster is a little short you'll load up on walkons, and as long as you cut them before a certain point (maybe before recruiting starts??) you can free up a scholarship or two that way in that specific scenario.

EDIT: I sort of misread the question there, you can't fill the spot that season, duh!

Regarding the call list, i always supposed that having a guy in the call list meant that he was receiving a call every recruiting period, not just a way to organize your possible recruits.

In every other college game, console or text sim, one of the basic actions is to phone call the recruits, and of course it's the minimum step needed to get some interest from them. There is no phone call to X recruit action in FBCB, that is what the call list is for.

Thanks for the answers.....boy, my team would have been really screweed playing the first two months without five players :)

Just to be clear, does the computer generate walk-ons for you or do you have any say it people you add to your roster as a walk-on?

The computer ads the walk-ons and you have nothing to say, but those walk-ons are not randomly generated. The walk-ons are usually players who had interest on you team and that were not given an scholarship by any other team.

Great..sounds like a good system.

WOOt!

Just won my first title in my 27th season at Washington. Had 5 straight top 20 recruiting classes so I am loaded with talent and it all came together for the tournament. I won my games by an average of 23 points, including a 38 point win over Bama in the final 4 and an 18 point win over Mizzou in the finals. I won every game by at least 17.

time for a victory cigar!

Anyone having an issue with the setup option that allows you to stop simming when an injury occurs on your team? I have turned this option and and used the setting of 0 days and 1 days and my sim never stops when I have an injury. Am I missing something?

I'm not sure if it's just because of the call list but I've seen some success since I stared playing last night. My focus has entirely been on recruiting so I've been flying through the seasons...

2010 -- 18-16, lost in 1st round of NIT, 71st class (6th in B10)
2011 -- 22-14, 3rd place in NIT, 173 class (10th in B10 but only 2 recruits)
2012 -- 13-18, no postseason, 190 class (9th in B10...bad risks on my part)
2013 -- 23-12, lost in 2nd round of NCAA, 148 class (7th in B10)
2014 -- 22-13, lost in 3rd round of NCAA, 61 class (5th in B10)

I think my 2014 class is much better than 61st by the time it's done with but it won't have any kind of core around it as the 2010 class has now graduated.

Hopefully, this moderate success continues. Thanks to all who gave input but I think it might have really been all about the call list and making sure to put players on there.

The 2014 season was tough because I lost my PG in January when the record was probably something like 15-6....fought hard and got in but the seeding tanked and was tough.

Heck yes!!!! Glad its been a bit better for you.

It is about the call list. Other than writing kids letters (which are usually computer generated and impersonal) the phone call is usually the most important thing to do to start to establish a relationship with a kid.

Rowech, it actually seems like you're coaching your team up really well in comparison to the recruiting rankings (for instance, a Sweet 16 appearance with a core of a #71 class is a solid outperformance). So you have that going for you.

Glad to hear it's going better rowech. I didn't bother mentioning the call list as I just figured you were filling it up each month, but that is almost certainly where you were falling short on guys. If there's a prospect that is "Very High" or "High" in interest in me when recruiting starts and I don't have him on my call list, he almost always drops the next month to "Average" or "Low" - you have to be calling kids that you are interested in or risk letting other schools pass you by.

Sounds like you have it fixed though and things are going a lot better, which is great to hear.

I've decided to retire at UW and start a career at a small school. Suggestions?

How small?

One of the Dakota schools are always challenging.

South Dakota State it is

I've been playing the demo and have some comments / feedback.

1. Players should return to good condition after halftime. Sometimes some of them are still just ok.

2. I can't call a timeout after a made basket by my team.

3. You shouldn't be able to sub for a non FT shooter after the second made foul shot.

4. I had a situation where I missed a FT with 4 seconds left and the player who got the rebound made a 3 PT without any passes before the clock expired. That seems hard to believe.

5. I was Pitt and had a small recruiting budget (5k per month). Is this because I spent my entire coaching budget? If so, i think it should be more clear that would be the impact.

6. My team can't play D to save my life, but that is probably my problem and not the game :)

7. I'm really enjoying coaching my games. I think the pace is very good and gives me a good feel for my team.

Dola.

I'd like to see a little more regionalization in the non-conference scheduling. For example, I'd like to see Pitt play the other Pittsburgh schools instead of Arizona / Arizona State / Air Forece. Penn should always play the Big 5 schools. Duke / NC play other North and South Carolina schools.

Another strange thing just happened.

Team called for Technical. After foul shoots there was a media timeout. Then the other team called a timeout before inbouding the ball. If this was supposed to be because of difficulty inbounding the PBP should say so. Otherwise, if this time out was because of a scoring run, then it doesn't make sense to come right after a media timeout.

Good luck! Let me know when you breakthrough.

Enjoying the demo: thanks to Rowech and all who responded to his questions I have a much better idea of how to play successfully.

There's much to like in the stats and html output, plenty to mull over.

A couple of quick questions:

1) On the team's html output, there is a training facilities entry. It always matches the team prestige number. What is this used for, and does it change over time to something other than mirror the prestige? Can a Boone Pickens come along and pay $1 billion for a wonderful training facility?

2) Is there a way to change the default folder for report outputs?

3) I love the training update report. Do players ratings change during the season, or only after training camp?

When I get back from working out, I'll be buying this.

will do.

When I first start out I fast sim the first 2 seasons, only doing my own recruiting and training. Then by season 3 when I have my own players in I watch the games. Got to season 3 and already am bringing in 2-3 start recruits and beefing my prestige up. What I do in season 2 is schedule all road-home series, so in season 3 when it "matters" I have al home games.

I hadn't noticed the link between prestige rating and training facilities, that's interesting.

From what I've seen in playing it, facilities upgrades are tied to your performance - if you impress the AD (by meeting/exceeding his goals), you'll see your yearly budget increase and periodically your training facilities will be upgraded. To my knowledge, there's no "booster" simulation with your facilities randomly upgraded.

I haven't dived into the HTML outputs; whenever I look at my facilities, it's in the AD screen where there is a rating for the facilities, as well as where they rank within your conference.

I would guess that the training facilities entry in the HTML is incorrect and copying the wrong field. That field also shows up in-game on one of the team screens, I have to check, but in the FOFC league my training facilities are "0" and my prestige is "9". Facilities upgrade when your AD gets really happy. They affect how much your guys develop (training camp only?), and I *think* may have a minor effect on recruiting.

Agree on #s 1 and 2

#3 actually happens in college basketball. I had the same feeling about it initially; however, I think that may be an NBA-only rule.

#4 -- imagine that the miss bounces high and is tipped outside by a tall dude to the SG waiting at the 3-point line...

#5 -- that would have been because you overspent on coaches. The coach hiring screen displays a recommended total coaches salary in the bottom-right corner that is typically in the 60-75% area with respect to the team's total budget.

True, but I think his point is that it would be helpful to put more visibility on the impact to the recruiting budget by how much you spend on coaches. Maybe put additional fields on the coach hiring screen that would give you an updated projection of what your recruiting budget per month would be given your coach salary offers you have out.

It's not a big deal to me - I try to stay in the general range of my recommended coaching salary total, and if I really want to be 100% clear I can run a spreadsheet myself to figure out what my budget will be, but I can see where he's coming from.

Thanks for the feedback. As for #5, I think it makes sense, I didn't even see the information that it would impact recruiting budget. I'll pay more attention next time.

Enjoying finally getting to see all my recruiting rankings that I were in my demo saves.

The injury reasons need a bit a work. I've had one player break his jaw twice and miss no time whatsoever each time. In one of the games, another player sprained his wrist and was out for 8 games. Is there a hidden 'wimp' factor?

I have two suggestions that are more or less cosmetic:

1. Most lists of conferences are alphabetical in the game, even when the user changes the name of the conference. There are two exceptions I have found, on the daily schedule screen and the coach moves screen. I would like it if the conferences were listed alphabetically on these two lists as well, even when the names of the conferences are modified by the used. Basically, have these two lists the same as all the other lists in the game.

2. I would like to see a print screen added for retired coaches.

After coaching almost every game in my demo season, I don't recall any situations where the defense just knocks the ball out of bounds. I think this leads to too many long stretches without a stoppage.

I realize it is a sample of 1, but my final four was a 4,6,10 and 13 seed.

Another thing I would like to see is the +/- during the game and in a box score.

Agree. I just saw a player on my team out only 18 days with a fractured hip.

Just bought the full version. After setting up a new career to start with a lower prestige team, I got to the start of the season. I clicked on a day in the future that I thought was my first game and selected Sim to Game. What happened was that I started seeing the PBP of another game and then a second game. For a little bit it was my game. I hit exit to stop simming and got RTE 91. Unfortunately, I didn't save so I have to start all over. Is there an auto-save ability?

What version number is in the bottom of the screen when you start the game henry?

2.1.0

Having lots of fun, so the things wrong stand out more starkly.

I had a roster filler walk-on immediately go on academic probation, then he became unhappy at his lack of playing time. "Well, hit the books, son, that's the f-ing point."

Players on probation should not whine about lack of PT.