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Danny 04-25-2024 08:45 PM

As Atop said, Penix appeared to be the guy the Raiders liked. I dont think they wanted to move for JJ or Nix.

Lathum 04-25-2024 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3431445)
Im just glad we have a GM who will actually take the BPA instead of making sure their first round pick was some off the wall player to try and prove how smart you are.


This was always Bill Parcells philosophy and it worked out great most years

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3431448)
So not only did the Falcons take Penix, they apparently didn't let Cousins know they were doing it.

Complete dysfunction.


I love it. You guys WANTED drama!

Lathum 04-25-2024 08:47 PM

All these QB picks some teams that are already good are going to get real value on the defensive side of the ball. Probably the Eagles.

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3431438)
Nix can be good in the right system but he can't throw downfield.

And Penix can throw down field, he just can't throw in the middle of the field. Good thing that is not important in the NFL.

Thomkal 04-25-2024 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3431395)
There you go thomkal . Merry Xmas



and Happy New Year too! i just couldn't see them going anywhere else if they kept the pick,

Swaggs 04-25-2024 08:51 PM

Hoping the Steelers can get Amarius Mims or Brian Thomas at 20. Lots of smoke that they really like Graham Barton, but I hope they don’t go interior line this early.

Thomkal 04-25-2024 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3431404)
The Falcons are taking Penix, and I am about to put my head in the oven. How stupid.

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Yeah this one has me scratching my head too-He looks like an injury settlement ready to happen with that injury history.

cartman 04-25-2024 08:53 PM

first defense off the board

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

Latu going 15. I wanted him to be a Falcon so bad. He is the first defender off the board.

Atocep 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

Latu is an easy top 10 guy with clean medicals.

Lathum 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3431454)
And Penix can throw down field, he just can't throw in the middle of the field. Good thing that is not important in the NFL.


Penix can make every throw. I watched every single throw he has made the last 2 seasons. If he didn't have his injury history he would be in the discussion for #1 over all.

NobodyHere 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

Not surprised Ballard picks a lineman.

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

Defense!

cartman 04-25-2024 08:54 PM

looks like there might now be a run on defense over the next few picks

NobodyHere 04-25-2024 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3431460)
Latu is an easy top 10 guy with clean medicals.


With the Colts luck he'll play 10 games on his rookie contract.

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 08:56 PM

Turner pissed

Lathum 04-25-2024 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3431457)
Yeah this one has me scratching my head too-He looks like an injury settlement ready to happen with that injury history.


eh.

He has played every game last 2 seasons and led his team to the natty.

I think it is an all time stupid pick for the Falcons, but he has all the tools to be great

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 08:59 PM

Go hawks

Swaggs 04-25-2024 08:59 PM

Yeah - I understand why he isn’t higher with his age and injury history, but I’d bet on Penix’s peak NFL years being better than anyone outside of Williams.

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3431461)
Penix can make every throw. I watched every single throw he has made the last 2 seasons. If he didn't have his injury history he would be in the discussion for #1 over all.

That's interesting considering that is what the scout have all said about him, and Michigan basically shut him down by taking away the deep ball and giving him the middle of the field.

Thomkal 04-25-2024 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3431448)
So not only did the Falcons take Penix, they apparently didn't let Cousins know they were doing it.

Complete dysfunction.



wow, you would have thought they would have least let him know.

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 09:01 PM

Did it mention why latu had his neck surgery

Swaggs 04-25-2024 09:01 PM

Do we know what happened to Todd McShay. It’s weird having only Mel from the old crew. No Berman, TJ, Mort…

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3431471)
wow, you would have thought they would have least let him know.

They called him before they made it official. They had told him they were likely to take a QB in this draft, just not in the first round.

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3431473)
Do we know what happened to Todd McShay. It’s weird having only Mel from the old crew. No Berman, TJ, Mort…

Fired last year.

Lathum 04-25-2024 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3431470)
That's interesting considering that is what the scout have all said about him, and Michigan basically shut him down by taking away the deep ball and giving him the middle of the field.


They have to find holes.

I was at the Natty and that wasn't the case at all.

Lathum 04-25-2024 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3431474)
They called him before they made it official. They had told him they were likely to take a QB in this draft, just not in the first round.


Big difference between taking a project in the 4th round and taking a guy who the fans and media will be calling for after his first 2 int game

Thomkal 04-25-2024 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3431473)
Do we know what happened to Todd McShay. It’s weird having only Mel from the old crew. No Berman, TJ, Mort…



He was laid off in the great ESPN purge of 2024

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 09:08 PM

Vikings trading again

GrantDawg 04-25-2024 09:08 PM

Vikings trade up and get Turner. They are getting who they want in this draft.

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 09:10 PM

Wait how are they putting names on the shirts so fast

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 09:11 PM

Turners moms coat the dumbest fashion of the draft

Atocep 04-25-2024 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3431480)
Vikings trade up and get Turner. They are getting who they want in this draft.


Poor man's 2023 Texans draft.

Atocep 04-25-2024 09:24 PM

Rams just had the first round pick for this decade.

Ryche 04-25-2024 09:33 PM

That Penix pick seems insane, basically saying they acquired Cousins so they win the division for a couple seasons. Cousins has already shown his ceiling without a defense. And I'm sure he is really not happy knowing his contract basically just became a 2 year deal.

Loving the Vikings draft, wanted McCarthy and thrilled to get him without giving up much extra. And I thought Turner would go to Denver at worst at 12.

Thomkal 04-25-2024 09:39 PM

Think my Cards will go defense with their 2nd pick in the 1st if they keep it

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 09:41 PM

Chop has s signature move. Oh boy

Brian Swartz 04-25-2024 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum
He has played every game last 2 seasons and led his team to the natty.


Sure, but as has been mentioned age + the injury history mean he isn't worth a high pick regardless of how good he is IMO. I think Penix is a great story, and there's a chance he succeeds in the NFL. But there's too much downside to invest years in a QB when there are the other options there are this year.

If I were a fan of a team picking him anywhere in the first round I would not be pleased.

CrimsonFox 04-25-2024 10:38 PM

wow this is quite a history

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The player raised in Florida came back from four separate season-ending injuries in his college career. Penix tore his right ACL in 2018, dislocated his shoulder in 2019, tore his right ACL again in 2020 and separated the AC joint in his shoulder in 2021.

that's just...wow.

RainMaker 04-25-2024 11:02 PM

Even if there was no injury history, why pay Kirk Cousins all that money to then draft a QB?

JonInMiddleGA 04-25-2024 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3431491)
Even if there was no injury history, why pay Kirk Cousins all that money to then draft a QB?


Because Blank is either senile or simply dumb as a brick.

stevew 04-26-2024 01:48 AM

I guess I hadn’t looked at the contract but it looks like cousins can pretty easily get dumped after two years. They would take a $35 million hit and have to pay out a $10 million roster bonus but they would be wiping off a $35 million non-guaranteed salary. Still a wild move.

CrimsonFox 04-26-2024 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3431493)
I guess I hadn’t looked at the contract but it looks like cousins can pretty easily get dumped after two years. They would take a $35 million hit and have to pay out a $10 million roster bonus but they would be wiping off a $35 million non-guaranteed salary. Still a wild move.


that's showbiz

CrimsonFox 04-26-2024 02:59 AM

I find it funny that the players watching from home look all surprised when they get called on the phone and drafted...like did no one told them they were in the draft? ...haha

Edward64 04-26-2024 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3431490)
wow this is quite a history


That is impressive and shows "gumption". But you wouldn't think he can stay healthy in the NFL.

I hope the Cousins-Penix mentoring relationship turns out well.

Ksyrup 04-26-2024 06:44 AM

I wonder if Cousins is more upset that they drafted his replacement with the #7 pick or didn't use that pick to improve the team he'll (presumably) be QBing for a couple years. Like, he's in "win now" mode and they just invested in the post-Cousins era with an asset they could have used for more immediate needs. I feel like Cousins is probably more embarrassed about the situation than anything else. But he is 35 coming off an Achilles, so...

albionmoonlight 04-26-2024 06:45 AM

I agree with pretty much everything that people have said about the Pennix pick.

The one thing that they have going for them is that we judge everything in hindsight. If it turns out that in four years Pennix is a top-5 QB, then the story won't be "how foolish were the Falcons to pay Cousins and then draft Pennix in the top 10?" The story will be "The Falcons have shown that if you think that a franchise-changing QB is on the board, you don't let the fact that you've got a veteran stopgap keep you from drafting him. Other teams could take a lesson from that."

Edward64 04-26-2024 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3431500)
I wonder if Cousins is more upset that they drafted his replacement with the #7 pick or didn't use that pick to improve the team he'll (presumably) be QBing for a couple years. Like, he's in "win now" mode and they just invested in the post-Cousins era with an asset they could have used for more immediate needs. I feel like Cousins is probably more embarrassed about the situation than anything else. But he is 35 coming off an Achilles, so...


I can't feel bad for athletes who get their feelings hurt but are paid zillions. I just can't.

GrantDawg 04-26-2024 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3431501)
I agree with pretty much everything that people have said about the Pennix pick.

The one thing that they have going for them is that we judge everything in hindsight. If it turns out that in four years Pennix is a top-5 QB, then the story won't be "how foolish were the Falcons to pay Cousins and then draft Pennix in the top 10?" The story will be "The Falcons have shown that if you think that a franchise-changing QB is on the board, you don't let the fact that you've got a veteran stopgap keep you from drafting him. Other teams could take a lesson from that."

In the end, that's it. In the short term though, if you are spending money to go "all in" and yet burn a prime asset for some (hopefully) distant future, that foresight might end up benefiting your replacement more than you.


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