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bulletsponge 08-16-2006 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgerchick
Shit, I gotta run an errand. I'm a go with the pile-on theory:

Vote Lathum

For now of course. If I make it before the deadline, this might change.


hehe i never mind when a chick piles on ;)

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:32 PM
Hey DC the pile on theory pretty much says if you pile on you are most likely a wolf.

Grammaticus 08-16-2006 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
Gramm, I have my reasons for asking about hidden roles, it seems to me you are attempting to goad me into an argument and your actions are going to reflect poorly on you.

The only hard evidence we have is vote patterns. I pointed out a strange pattern from you in post 744.

I find it odd that people are saying not to read to much into the "clue" about schmidty's PM, yet they are willing to say there is a "COT" because of it. I will GUARENTEE there is a werewolf in that circle.
I'm not trying to goad you into an argument. You asked why I have you listed as my top choice and I am giving you the reasons so you will have an opportunity to speak to them if you wish.

How can you guarantee there is a wolf in the COT?

Lorena 08-16-2006 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgerchick
Shit, I gotta run an errand. I'm a go with the pile-on theory:

Vote Lathum

For now of course. If I make it before the deadline, this might change.

Well, my daughter was gonna go with me but she took a nap, so I'll wait til later.

UNVOTE LATHUM

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grammaticus
None of the issues listed are individually a smoking gun that makes you a wolf. I do not have that on anyone. Grouped together, along with some other oddities and most importantly looking at who is left outside of the COT and Golden list, you appear to be the top candidate.

Some other items in the pattern of concern is your play style. From older games, you usually lay way back and post something here and there. You still did not go way out there, but were more aggressive than expected and seemed to not want to lay too far back. I could see you playing that way as a wolf.

You asked St. Cronin if there were any hidden roles. Something very wolfish. Looking at the list of roles, the only thing for Villagers is the Masons. Pretty damn sparse. There are a few bad guy roles listed, which gives them an edge. A wolf would want to know if there are any hidden roles as they would likely be villager based. A villager would be more likely not to ask in order to keep key roles out of the wolves line of site. Why? Because a villager who has the role would know and no other villagers would have a need to look for them. If they did, they would know the other role exists. Example if you were given the bodyguard role, you would not go out asking in public if other roles exist. It is a form of outing yourself and letting others know a seer may exist.

Then you asked me to point out the Blade and Schmidty posts I spotted. Fair enough since you posted it 2 minutes after I made the post. But you either did not go back and check posts later or missed the hint, making you less likely to be a villager.


After consideration, I agree with this.

Vote Lathum

Lorena 08-16-2006 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
Hey DC the pile on theory pretty much says if you pile on you are most likely a wolf.

Do you mean that if a lot of people find an "easy target" and they all vote for that same person they're a wolf... is that how I'm interpreting that?

I believe Noddadrop recieved 6 votes... it seems like a lot of votes to me.

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grammaticus
I'm not trying to goad you into an argument. You asked why I have you listed as my top choice and I am giving you the reasons so you will have an opportunity to speak to them if you wish.

How can you guarantee there is a wolf in the COT?

call it a hunch

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgerchick
Do you mean that if a lot of people find an "easy target" and they all vote for that same person they're a wolf... is that how I'm interpreting that?

I believe Noddadrop recieved 6 votes... it seems like a lot of votes to me.
not exactlly. If there is a runaway choice like noddadrop it's easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon without much suspicion.

so for example, you vote for me without really stating why then fade into the background. Then when I come up as a villegar you say " well everyone else thought he was a wolf to, seemed like the most logical choice choice".

Lorena 08-16-2006 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
not exactlly. If there is a runaway choice like noddadrop it's easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon without much suspicion.

so for example, you vote for me without really stating why then fade into the background. Then when I come up as a villegar you say " well everyone else thought he was a wolf to, seemed like the most logical choice choice".

I'm glad you elaborated, thanks Lathum.

molson 08-16-2006 04:50 PM
Gram's been on the lynching bubble. If he were a wolf, it'd be quite a risk to call out Lathum so early in the day. If Lathum's lynched, and is a villager, Gram will be quite the target tomorrow.

I realize Gram isn't saying he's 100% sure or anything - but it's interesting he's taken a stand so early, as opposed to the last two days.

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
After consideration, I agree with this.

Vote Lathum
whoa, if I get lynched tonight people need to take a close look at this.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 04:53 PM
What, one person agreeing out of many?

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:53 PM
Dodgerchick, Anxieties vote for me is exactlly the type I was talking about.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 04:54 PM
If you are lynched, then many people would be voting for you, a majority, or at least a plurality. If lots of people agree with gram's reasoning, there's no reason to single me out simply because I did it first.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 04:55 PM
And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)

Lathum 08-16-2006 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)
especially in this game :)

molson 08-16-2006 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
If you are lynched, then many people would be voting for you, a majority, or at least a plurality. If lots of people agree with gram's reasoning, there's no reason to single me out simply because I did it first.

It's the second strangest generalization Lathum's made so far, right behind "Blade is a good player, and he's alive (after 1 day), therefore, he's a wolf".

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)


if you ask me, its Paranoia thats flooding this thread :eek:

path12 08-16-2006 04:57 PM
Out until after lynch. Good luck to us.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
especially in this game :)


True that, true that

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by molson
It's the second strangest generalization Lathum's made so far, right behind "Blade is a good player, and he's alive (after 1 day), therefore, he's a wolf".


to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*

Lathum 08-16-2006 05:03 PM
I know I'm ahead but anyone have a vote count?

Fouts 08-16-2006 05:03 PM
Well, I need to cast my vote. Blade led the way to Chubby's demise, and he started the voting on me. I'm not sure what to think about Lathum, but blade appears more guilty.

vote blade

molson 08-16-2006 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsponge
to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*

True, and it's interesting that Blade seems to be the "leader" of the COT, while I'm not sure what his own qualifications for membership are (other than selecting members, apparently).

I think I've come to the conclusion that every remaining player is a WW, except for me.

st.cronin 08-16-2006 05:05 PM
current vote


3 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls, DaddyTorgo
3 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus, Anxiety
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum
1 - Blade - Fouts

DaddyTorgo 08-16-2006 05:07 PM
i think if fouts is actually a villager and goes down, the remainder of us villagers need to take a close look at this so called "circle of trust"

DaddyTorgo 08-16-2006 05:10 PM
so i'll give you that Fouts...I don't wanna create some sketchy voting history for myself by moving off you if you are a wolf, but if you end up being a villager i'm going to be seriously concerned about the influence of some wolf on the COT.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsponge
to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*


Im not surprised. If I had been the chooser of the WW on night one, I would have used the "kill the vets" stratgey but I would have chosen good vets who are not as high profile as Blade, so there is less of a chance of a hidden bodyguard block. Like SnDvls, for example. Saldana was a solid choice as well, and I'm not surprised to see his name called. I would not, however, have hit Blade. I think that would be a rookie mistake, because if you are a BG, who else are you gonna guard Night One?


Honestly, I see the saldana and Alan T hits as smart. Get good vets but not high profile ones. I like that strategy a lot. I think that shows savvy and I suspect that at least one WW is a vet.

molson 08-16-2006 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo
i think if fouts is actually a villager and goes down, the remainder of us villagers need to take a close look at this so called "circle of trust"

We need to take a close look anyway.

An excellent players who's a wolf is extremely dangerous, obviously. But an excellent player who's a villager has less value, I think. It's not like we can blindly follow him (like fellow wolves would be able to).

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
Im not surprised. If I had been the chooser of the WW on night one, I would have used the "kill the vets" stratgey but I would have chosen good vets who are not as high profile as Blade, so there is less of a chance of a hidden bodyguard block. Like SnDvls, for example. Saldana was a solid choice as well, and I'm not surprised to see his name called. I would not, however, have hit Blade. I think that would be a rookie mistake, because if you are a BG, who else are you gonna guard Night One?


Honestly, I see the saldana and Alan T hits as smart. Get good vets but not high profile ones. I like that strategy a lot. I think that shows savvy and I suspect that at least one WW is a vet.


there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!

molson 08-16-2006 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsponge
there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!

I think he's speculating that there's a "hidden" bodyguard role - which I think is highly unlikely.

DaddyTorgo 08-16-2006 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by molson
We need to take a close look anyway.

An excellent players who's a wolf is extremely dangerous, obviously. But an excellent player who's a villager has less value, I think. It's not like we can blindly follow him (like fellow wolves would be able to).

right. but if fouts is evil than the influence of a wolf on the COT is less, as I highly doubt the wolves would sacrifice one of their own so early in the game.

but true, the "trust no one" axiom is certainly in effect.

Lathum 08-16-2006 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsponge
there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!
that may not be accurate, there have been hidden roles before in games.

Abe Sargent 08-16-2006 05:17 PM
Who knows? I know I would not make any assumptions about what there is or isn't until later.

Lathum 08-16-2006 05:34 PM
Unvote Grammaticus
VOTE FOUTS

I'm switching my vote because I think a lynch of Fouts will shed alot of light on this so called COT one way or the other. It seems to me this is how we will get the most information .

Fouts 08-16-2006 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
Unvote Grammaticus
VOTE FOUTS

I'm switching my vote because I think a lynch of Fouts will shed alot of light on this so called COT one way or the other. It seems to me this is how we will get the most information .

You know I'll have to switch my vote to force a tie.

Lathum 08-16-2006 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fouts
You know I'll have to switch my vote to force a tie.
I totaly understand

Fouts 08-16-2006 05:50 PM
Well, I have to force the tie. Anyone thinking to break the tie better have a good idea of which of us is guilty.

unvote blade

vote lathum

Lathum 08-16-2006 05:58 PM
at this point I would like to point out I have provided much more anaylisis then Fouts and put my neck on the line and if I was a wolf it would be pretty idiotic of me to act this way.

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 06:00 PM
aww crap, this is the reason to vote early. now whomever i choose will bring scrutiny next day, unless i hit a WW for sure.

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 06:01 PM
im going to go make dinner and think about it

Lorena 08-16-2006 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
Dodgerchick, Anxieties vote for me is exactlly the type I was talking about.

Aha... noted

Fouts 08-16-2006 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
at this point I would like to point out I have provided much more anaylisis then Fouts and put my neck on the line and if I was a wolf it would be pretty idiotic of me to act this way.

It is quite possible we are both villagers in an unfortunate situation.

Lathum 08-16-2006 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fouts
It is quite possible we are both villagers in an unfortunate situation.
I'm certain we are.

bulletsponge 08-16-2006 06:14 PM
damn i just realized the vote is due in a little over 1 hour. ohh crap. i hiope neither of you hate me for my vote

Fouts 08-16-2006 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsponge
damn i just realized the vote is due in a little over 1 hour. ohh crap. i hiope neither of you hate me for my vote

I don't hate people for their vote, I just shake my head afterwards.

Lorena 08-16-2006 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
I'm certain we are.

Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?

DaddyTorgo 08-16-2006 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgerchick
Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?

ZING

although lathum did say that voting for fouts and then taking a look at that and looking at the COT would be the way of things...thinking on that, it sounds a lot like a wolf trying to knock off a villager and push us in a different direction...

Lathum 08-16-2006 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgerchick
Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?
2 reasons

One is self preservation, the more votes he has the better chance I have to live. I voted for Gramm because I think he is the most suspiscous but I got no following so I am forcad to switch to Fouts to save my own ass.

2. I think we will gain more information from fouts dying then me. If fouts is lynched and a villager we then look at 2 veterans, Blade and sndvls. If I am lynched where do you look next?

Trust me dodgerchick, it will all make sense eventually.

Fouts 08-16-2006 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
I'm certain we are.

Which is why I suspect blade and his list of me, you and GE. Also, he started some goofy COT based on random postings. I think he'll be looked at harder after this vote.


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