Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3294228)

Aren’t a number of the playoff games held on campuses? If so, then why cancel those if you’re (at this point, at least,) still planning to hold regular season games? What am I missing here?

Originally Posted by CU Tiger (Post 3294168)

So I dont know if this should go here, the kids leaving home thread, the Covid thread or the random thoughts thread but ...in a Last Chane U sort of way its football related so Im going here.

So for anyone who is wholly unfamiliar with the math matrinations that are D2 scholarships and also not up to speed on SC state lottery college funds and how this all intersects with Covid and college football and educator incompetence let me tell you a little story that frustrates me.

D2 football operates under total different rules than D1 regarding scholarships. Of course the number of ships is lower (36 as opposed to 85 in FBS) but the biggest difference is in FBS its all or nothing. There are no partials. Where as in D2 the dollar total is equivalent to 36 full rides. So what most of the schools do I've found is they rank kids from 1-100 on team in terms of their importance or favor or whatever. Then they distribute all the school money they can. Being a private school there are universal scholarships available for certain GPAs, certain affiliations, etc etc etc. Next they apply the state money the kids get, be it grants or what in SC is known as Life or Hope (different tiers of the lottery education funds based on your gps and success)
Then they "make whole" players from the top down and see who owes what as they near the bottom.
In essence you can end up with 70-80 full ride kids this way for the cost of only 36 within the legal limits.

Well...one of the requirements of the SC education lottery money is you need to maintain a 3.0 GPA and you must complete 30 hours per year to remain eligible. Important footnote it used to be 30 hours per year for the Life and 25 for Hope but they unified this to 30 across the board a few years ago.

My son's school limits football players to 12 hours during fall semester to accommodate practice and minimize class missed for game travel. The latter is actually the primary driver - this is small time football and in fact much of the campus holds their nose that they even have such a barbaic group of unwashed heathens in their presence. But I digress. The school actually limits students to no more than 18 credit hours a semester by school policy (allegedly to force students to need a 9th semester to graduate and maximize $$$) but...again for athletes in a very small school accumulating 18 hours that align with schedule can be difficult.

Luckily there is Summer I and Summer II to add additional hours. Until there isnt because Summer I and Summer II are cancelled due to Covid..and an academic advisor is behind the times and still thinks the requirement is for 25 hours and suddenly a week before class starts you have a mass of kids with little parental guidance being forced to fill out loan docs to find $3k/year to attend college that they otherwise now dont qualify for in education money because they only have 25-29 credit hours and aren't on path.

Now before anyone thinks I'm crying the blues here, I'm not. We are financially blessed that the $3k wouldn't alter life plans, and further blessed that my son carried AP hours over and still qualifies for his SCED $$$. But I did meet with the AD yesterday (at my request) and decline a portion of his scholarship to be allocated to two teamates who were otherwise packing their bags to head home.

This stuff just pisses me off. The school has paid people to advise these kids. Yes these "kids" are old enough to take personal responsibility, but they are still kids, and many from bad backgrounds. If sports is going to break the cycle and provide an escape we need a tour guide along the route to point the way. Dammit colleges get your crap together.

Sorry rant over.

Originally Posted by muns (Post 3294235)

Sorry to hear about your troubles CU. I was surprised at your schools set up though.

As someone who has worked at 3 small D-3 schools both in administration and athletics, at none of my schools did they pay anybody to advise kids. It was an extra job that got put onto someones plate that already had enough on it to begin with. So faculty had it put on, the tutoring staff had it put on etc. Does your school have someone that does that full time?

It was also a job of one of the coaches to check in on the kids to make sure they were alright schedule wise and if they weren't, could guide the kids in the right direction so they didnt hurt themselves. Did the AD allude to any of that when you met with him? Was shocked none of the coaches caught any of that for you, their program, and your son.

The other issue, and this raised an eye to me. When schools have kids that dont graduate on time they get penalized in various publications and rankings. They dont want kids not graduating on time as the little money they make for an extra semester is really meaningless, especially since most kids run out of financial aid after 8 semesters, which also means the typical kid has to drop out, which also affects those ratings and publications. The rankings and publications are what helps make the school money, not the extra semester.

Does any of your CC's offer 8 week courses cheap to get any of these kids back on course? Another suggestion is asking the college about Clep examinations. Those are prob 100-200 a pop but are a fast way to pick up college credits in a few days if your kid knows a lot about a particular subject and thinks he can pass a test to prove it. The college should have a catalog of things that would qualify for clep, but they dont advertise, as if you can pick up 3-4 credits for 100-200 a pop its not a good business model.

anywho thought i would try to help save you a lil bit of money if i could

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3294541)

Are we worried yet?

Sources: MAC Cancels Fall College Football Season - Stadium

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3294541)

Are we worried yet?

Sources: MAC Cancels Fall College Football Season - Stadium

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3294557)

Things seem to be moving at rapid speed right now...

Per discussions in the past few minutes, several college athletic leaders from across the country are beginning to privately agree with this quote that Pat tweeted a couple hours ago.

It's a sweeping feeling. https://t.co/xnFmQQwGun
— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 8, 2020

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3294541)

Are we worried yet?

Sources: MAC Cancels Fall College Football Season - Stadium

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3294552)

May just be an all Sun Belt schedule.

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3294563)

Really though, what if all the the major conferences cancelled their seasons but the MAC and other minor divisions played on? Wouldn't one of those teams have to be the national champion?

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3294575)

I'd figure the NCAA would simply cancel the championships at that point. There just wouldn't BE a champion.

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3294618)

Does the NCAA even give out a championship at FBS? Aren't they just not involved in that?

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3294732)

the SEC wants to play

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3294767)

If CFB really does take the Fall off, the NFL should look into playing Saturday games. That would be a way to make up some of the lost revenue from ticket sales.

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3294765)

I have not been following the Covid-19 situation in college football. Is the problem the different standards of protocol between the schools? Is the standard at like Stanford that much different than the standard at Washington State?

I picked those schools because they are the ones of have heard the most about.

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3294769)

Already saw something about the NFL watching this play out very closely for that reason.

Are these season cancellations being announced or are they going to try to play a season in the spring and then another in the fall next year? It'd be kind of funny if everybody EXCEPT the SEC was playing the spring - if the SEC powers ahead in the fall. Maybe they'd try to sneak in a bonus season. It'd be fitting if during a historical pandemic, the SEC somehow managed 3 seasons in 2 years.

It feels like March when the dominoes were falling with sports. I think the NFL will give it a shot, and I'm hopeful things may be have leveled off COVID-wise in the U.S., but with the uncertainty on campuses, I can't imagine college basketball is going to be unscathed. We could be looking at 2 years with out an NCAA tournament (at least).

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3294773)

I think MLS is starting back up in their home markets this week so let’s see what it looks.

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3294629)

I wonder if the failure of liability protection in the COVID negotiations plays a role here? If colleges are potentially liable for illness and death, I can't imagine any lawyer recommending to play out a season given the outbreaks around the country.

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 3294771)

If they were to play, there would have to be testing, right? That's going to cost money. The P5 conferences can handle that cost easier than mid-majors and lowers can.

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3294790)

Not a great look for public institutions to mass test athletes when the average joe still has trouble and if they do get one the results take at least a week.

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3294798)

The testing kind of seems pointless. They're all going to get it at some point during a season. We can't get pro players to adhere to guidelines. Do people think high school and college kids are going to?

If you're going to play, you're just going to have to go the herd immunity route and pull kids who have symptoms.

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3294819)

Yikes. From ESPN:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3294855)

This potential condition even if you "recover" is not a new discovery though.

Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez done for season due to heart issue

And from back in early July: COVID-19 fulminant myocarditis: a case report | European Heart Journal - Case Reports | Oxford Academic

Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 3294865)

Also, the fact that many people still make the argument that very few folks in this age range that are in good health are likely to die from COVID is why pointing out other troubling health risks from the disease is important.