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Kodos 12-01-2023 02:19 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. We'll see if he can overcome the curse of IU football.

GrantDawg 12-01-2023 03:09 PM

Thus ends the career of the legend that never was. There were people predicting he was going to eventually go first overall in the NFL some day. In the end, he had a hard time even getting a college starting job.

Edward64 12-01-2023 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3420083)
Thus ends the career of the legend that never was. There were people predicting he was going to eventually go first overall in the NFL some day. In the end, he had a hard time even getting a college starting job.


Always sad to see great potential crashing down.

Wonder if he was just overhyped from the beginning or something happened during college.

Hogs had Mitch Mustain, home bred 5-star QB back in the 2000s. He went 8-0 for us but then some BS happened with Houston Nutt, mom etc. and he left for USC. Never did much there. Many Hog fans never forgave Nutt for that.

Personally, having watched all/most of his games, I remember Mustain was "shaky" in some games, he wasn't stellar (e.g. unlike Mallett). But he was a freshman and he had an 8-0 record. Nutt should have continued on with him.

RainMaker 12-01-2023 04:10 PM

There's a halfway decent documentary on Mustain called The Identity Theft Of Mitch Mustain. It was free on Amazon Prime Video for awhile and worth a watch if you're into college football. Kind of goes into the Malzahn and Nutt feud.

cuervo72 12-01-2023 07:29 PM

WTF, #55 on Washington is basically wearing hot pants and a halter top.

cuervo72 12-01-2023 07:32 PM

Also my wife just referred sartorially to "the lizard people of Oregon."

GrantDawg 12-01-2023 07:43 PM

Oregon not looking good early.

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GrantDawg 12-01-2023 08:24 PM

Penix NFL stock going up. Nix stock dropping.

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Ksyrup 12-01-2023 08:43 PM

That was a horrendous PI call.

Ksyrup 12-01-2023 09:27 PM

That PI call changed this entire game.

sovereignstar v2 12-01-2023 10:30 PM

What are you looking at calling that out of bounds

bronconick 12-01-2023 10:38 PM

Auburn fans went looking for the hard liquor watching Bo Nix shred a 3 man rush there after last week.

bob 12-02-2023 07:59 AM

With Washington’s win over Oregon, this season is guaranteed to be the 27th consecutive season without a first time national champion.

Honolulu_Blue 12-02-2023 08:58 AM

CFP will be:
Washington
Michigan (assuming the best Iowa, which feels like a safe bet, no offense, tarcone)
Winner of Alabama/Georgia

And…

If FSU wins, they have to get in even though they likely shouldn’t.

If FSU loses and Texas wins, Texas gets in. It would be interesting if Alabama wins and Texas wins how that all shakes out given Texas beat Bama at home.

If Georgia wins and FSU and Texas lose, does OSU back door it again? It seems most likely.

JonInMiddleGA 12-02-2023 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 3420128)

If FSU wins, they have to get in even though they likely shouldn’t.


I kinda have the opposite feeling about FSU at this point I think.

If they win with the 3rd string QB (which looks like a definite possibility right now), I think they gotta go in. Hell, if they win with the backup, that's not a bad argument either.

bob 12-02-2023 11:13 AM

Washington is in. Let's say Alabama barely wins, Texas wins big, Michigan wins big, FSU wins big. I think SEC should be left out. 3 undefeated teams are in, Texas beat Alabama who beat UGA.

Ghost Econ 12-02-2023 11:18 AM

I guess running into the kicker isn't called anymore?

Big 12 gonna give Texas every chance to run up the score

Honolulu_Blue 12-02-2023 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob (Post 3420134)
Washington is in. Let's say Alabama barely wins, Texas wins big, Michigan wins big, FSU wins big. I think SEC should be left out. 3 undefeated teams are in, Texas beat Alabama who beat UGA.


Texas has definitely won big here. They beat Bama in Bama. If it’s down between those two, hard to pick Bama, but no SEC team would be really odd!

cartman 12-02-2023 02:58 PM

I'll admit I was wrong. I thought Texas was making at best a lateral move when they fired Tom Herman and hired Sark.

Edward64 12-02-2023 03:21 PM

Solid first drive and TD for the Dawgs

GrantDawg 12-02-2023 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3420143)
Solid first drive and TD for the Dawgs

Georgia scoring first scares me. They haven't scored first in a long time.

RainMaker 12-02-2023 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3420142)
I'll admit I was wrong. I thought Texas was making at best a lateral move when they fired Tom Herman and hired Sark.


How much does NIL play a role in this? Herman didn't have tye talent Sark has.

Atocep 12-02-2023 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3420146)
How much does NIL play a role in this? Herman didn't have tye talent Sark has.


Not as much as the fact that Herman was just a shitty coach.

sovereignstar v2 12-02-2023 06:23 PM

Soooooo

Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Alabama?

If Louisville beats FSU, then Georgia backs in

GrantDawg 12-02-2023 06:23 PM

They wanted it more. Georgia loses for the first time in 30 games, and will not make the playoffs.

dubb93 12-02-2023 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2 (Post 3420150)
Soooooo

Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Alabama?

If Louisville beats FSU, then Georgia backs in


Bama over Texas? Didn’t Texas beat them in Tuscaloosa?

dubb93 12-02-2023 06:29 PM

I would agree though that unless Michigan loses that GA, Ohio State, and Oregon should all be dead. Four of Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas, and Bama should be in and I’d hate to see an undefeated power conference champ left out.

sovereignstar v2 12-02-2023 06:29 PM

Oof, I forgot about that

Edward64 12-02-2023 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3420151)
They wanted it more. Georgia loses for the first time in 30 games, and will not make the playoffs.


They did want it more.

GrantDawg 12-02-2023 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3420155)
They did want it more.

To win championships, you have to have most of the breaks go your way. Nothing went Georgia's way in that game. There is a reason it nearly impossible to win three championships in a row. You are eventually going to hit a bad game at the worst time. Still, those two Championships are still there. Going into next year with a 12 team playoff, Georgia going to be in way more than they won't. Future is bright.

GrantDawg 12-02-2023 06:36 PM

You want to see people's heads explode? And no, I don't agree with this.

tarcone 12-02-2023 06:37 PM

GO HAWKS!!

tarcone 12-02-2023 06:42 PM

Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.

sovereignstar v2 12-02-2023 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3420159)
Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.


Iowa State?

JonInMiddleGA 12-02-2023 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3420159)
Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.


UCF

tarcone 12-02-2023 06:54 PM

You guys are killing me

Atocep 12-02-2023 06:55 PM

If Michigan and FSU win:

Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas


If either Michigan or FSU lose then Alabama likely slides in. I don't see a path for Georgia unless both Michigan and FSU lose.

SEC schools need to stop scheduling 3 non P4/5 schools with one being a FCS school in their non-conference every year expecting the SEC schedule to carry them. When the SEC is down you can't act like it's the end of the world that a SEC team is left out of the playoff.

JonInMiddleGA 12-02-2023 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3420163)
SEC schools need to stop scheduling 3 non P4/5 schools with one being a FCS school in their non-conference every year expecting the SEC schedule to carry them.


There's a better argument for Bama not scheduling the Texas game.
Sub in any patsy there and they're the easy #1 overall seed this year*

edit to add: * whether they had to lose that game to get to where they are today notwithstanding

Atocep 12-02-2023 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3420164)
There's a better argument for Bama not scheduling the Texas game.
Sub in any patsy there and they're the easy #1 overall seed this year.


That's actually true as well. However, if you do that and slip up at any point, including your title game, you're likely eliminated.

The SEC can't beat it's chest about how good it is while avoiding teams with a pulse in non-conference.

SirFozzie 12-02-2023 07:03 PM

At least the committee now have their excuse for going to a 12 team field.

Ksyrup 12-02-2023 07:05 PM

If FSU is going to be ranked 5th even if we win, I sincerely hope we lose because I will have a hard time enjoying college FB for a long time. It will be so easy for the committee to build an argument on "eye test" and no QB1 which allows them to sidestep the Alabama/Texas issue and I believe that's what they will do. It doesn't matter if it's unprecedented because we're going to a 12 team playoff next year so that will be no longer relevant in the future.

Just based on the way FSU has played the last half of the season, even if they win, it won't be pretty. So there's your "eye test."

bronconick 12-02-2023 07:06 PM

Brock Glenn is warming up with the 1st string, so Florida State is riding with a true freshman with four career passes. I think I'll be breaking out the vodka and getting offline for a while.

sovereignstar v2 12-02-2023 07:09 PM

This isn't Final Four seeding. The QB situation shouldn't play any role here IMO

JonInMiddleGA 12-02-2023 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3420165)
The SEC can't beat it's chest about how good it is while avoiding teams with a pulse in non-conference.


Except until their CFP dominance ends, they kinda can.

I agree that it's down, I don't think there's any question about that honestly. Ole Miss went 10-2 with a team that had quite a few glaring flaws is a great example. That's not an exceptionally good team, it simply isn't. (I saw a helluva lot more of them than I saw of Missouri so I'll pick on them for this purpose)

But given where things stood entering the 2023 season, the Bama-Texas game was a mistake.

Ksyrup 12-02-2023 07:10 PM

It expressly plays a role. They've already said so. It's all eye test BS. Might as well hand Derek Jeter another Gold Glove when they announce the final 4 too.

sovereignstar v2 12-02-2023 07:13 PM

Well there should be a riot somewhere if an undefeated FSU doesn't make it

Brian Swartz 12-02-2023 07:14 PM

The CFP dominance run isn't particularly relevant because:

- Most of the conference doesn't play there, and how good a conference is, is about more than how the top team or two in it are.

- How good a conference is varies from year to year. It doesn't matter how much you've won in the past, what's relevant is how good you are this season.

JonInMiddleGA 12-02-2023 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3420171)
It expressly plays a role. They've already said so. It's all eye test BS. Might as well hand Derek Jeter another Gold Glove when they announce the final 4 too.


And the eye test is what I ultimately hold in the highest regard.

I've seen enough football at this point to feel like I can judge what I see on the field, it's that simple.

It probably gets tougher in the current landscape than it used to be, I'll admit. Barring a fluky injury-free run of epic proportions, we may not ever see another truly great team in college football, there's not enough depth to go around with 1,435 teams playing "D1".

Brian Swartz 12-02-2023 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone
Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.


Last time you said something similar, the final score was 42-3.

cuervo72 12-02-2023 07:17 PM

Man, is there anything else you want to fit in OTHER than the actual game, FOX?


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