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Edward64 03-17-2020 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3269324)
Are those makeshift ventilators? Never seen those hoods before. Wondering if it's just pumping oxygen through.


TBH don't know, just found the yt video by reading here and there.

Re: field hospitals, there are a lot of dorm & hotel rooms empty now. CDC, FEMA, National Guard or whoever better have some plans in place just in case hospitals are overwhelmed.

The risk is also lack of healthcare professionals. In addition to existing healthcare professionals, they should be doing some emergency training for some military folks now, reaching out to retired Drs. and Nurses to see if they are willing to volunteer, and very importantly, making plans to take care of the healthcare workers' families if they are called to service/work.

Lathum 03-17-2020 08:09 AM

Messages From Italians Quarantined in the Coronavirus Pandemic - The Atlantic

miami_fan 03-17-2020 08:09 AM

How is everyone interacting with their elderly parents?

I live about 20 minutes from my mother. While she is still pretty strong, My nephew who is in college locally and I generally handle most of her shopping and drive her to most medical appointments and such. I stopped by on Saturday but have not been since. My nephew stays with her so I am not as concerned as I would be if she lived alone.

Lathum 03-17-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3269342)
How is everyone interacting with their elderly parents?

I live about 20 minutes from my mother. While she is still pretty strong, My nephew who is in college locally and I generally handle most of her shopping and drive her to most medical appointments and such. I stopped by on Saturday but have not been since. My nephew stays with her so I am not as concerned as I would be if she lived alone.


Not seeing my parents. I did have to call my mother yesterday to yell at her for going to her weekly bridge game. My dad will be 90 this year. My in laws are taking it far more seriously, which is interesting because my MIL is a Fox news die hard trumper. I picked up some prescriptions yesterday for them and did a quick exchange with my father in law outside.

miami_fan 03-17-2020 08:30 AM

My friends that work at Publix said there was a line of 75+ people outside the store twenty minutes before it opened at 7am today.

JPhillips 03-17-2020 08:40 AM

Our groceries were rough over the weekend, but they were fine yesterday. People seem to get the hoarding out of their system after they've done it once.

Butter 03-17-2020 08:53 AM

My mom is 68 and has COPD. I usually take her grocery shopping once a week, but last 2 weeks I've done the shopping for her. She did go to a pharmacy the other day and went INSIDE instead of using the drive thru. She said the drive thru line was too long. I said too bad, you should wait in it.

My in laws are 8 hours away and are Fox News diehards. They have not been taking this seriously at all. One has lung issues, the other is on dialysis.

Drake 03-17-2020 08:59 AM

I went to the grocery store in our small town last night around midnight. I was surprised at how well stocked they were. If you didn't need bread, meat, or potatoes, they were fine. I was specifically in search of milk and figured I'd have to hit every gas station and convenience store trying to find it...but their dairy larder was full.

This might be a small town advantage, though. Our whole county runs about 15k people and we've got two grocery stores, a CVS and a small WalMart just in our town. When I talked to the cashier (since overnights are when the bulk of the stocking happens), she said they weren't having any problems getting stock in (with the exception of bread and toilet paper) and expected even those temporary shortages to resolve themselves in the next couple of days.

grdawg 03-17-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3269342)
How is everyone interacting with their elderly parents?

I live about 20 minutes from my mother. While she is still pretty strong, My nephew who is in college locally and I generally handle most of her shopping and drive her to most medical appointments and such. I stopped by on Saturday but have not been since. My nephew stays with her so I am not as concerned as I would be if she lived alone.


My mom is in her low 70s, my brother is local to her and she had him bring her groceries and had him leave them outside her door and wait until he was gone. I think that is smart at this point. She's been laying low, staying inside her home for the past few weeks already.

Edward64 03-17-2020 09:20 AM

Could be put on the other thread but thought it fit here just as well.

Don't know if this is specific to coronavirus but likely added to the stress levels. The slap-punch occurs deep into the video. Poor flight attendants.

Brussels Airlines passenger slaps stewardess over elbow room dispute

Thomkal 03-17-2020 09:29 AM

I live with my Mom who is in her 80's. She is definitely in the high-risk zone if she gets the virus with multiple medical conditions. She and her friends get together a couple times/month to do card crafting. They have put that on hold for now.


Went to Publix yesterday where they wiped down every cart, even the electric cart she uses in there. Wiped down the Pharmacy counter while we there, and elsewhere in the store. Myrtle Beach has about 83 Walmarts so our grocery access hasn't been a problem. We have one small trip we need to do there later this week to pick up something we ordered,and I have a dentist appointment next week that they want me to keep, but otherwise we are ready to ride this out.

Edward64 03-17-2020 09:31 AM

Wife came back from Publix after a run. Still no/low on staples and reduced selection on canned food & vegetables but still plenty of beer.

She brought back from green cookies and reminded me its St. Patrick's Day. I think everyone has forgotten about it.

PilotMan 03-17-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3269361)
Could be put on the other thread but thought it fit here just as well.

Don't know if this is specific to coronavirus but likely added to the stress levels. The slap-punch occurs deep into the video. Poor flight attendants.

Brussels Airlines passenger slaps stewardess over elbow room dispute



That passenger would be sitting uncomfortably in restraints for the rest of that flight if they were on my plane.

NobodyHere 03-17-2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3269370)
That passenger would be sitting uncomfortably in restraints for the rest of that flight if they were on my plane.


I didn't know you were into BDSM :eek:

PilotMan 03-17-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3269365)
Wife came back from Publix after a run. Still no/low on staples and reduced selection on canned food & vegetables but still plenty of beer.

She brought back from green cookies and reminded me its St. Patrick's Day. I think everyone has forgotten about it.



Wife placed an order for pickup two days ago. Today was the earliest date for pickup. It was about $250 to feed 5 adults for a week to 10 days. Kroger couldn't fill half of it. Now she's a little worried about not only quantities, but she has a special diet and can't get the foods that she calls staples either.

Galaril 03-17-2020 10:16 AM

Nice gesture and flys in the face of narrative China is our enemy :
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma tweeted for the first time ever to say he's started shipping 1 million masks and 500,000 coronavirus testing kits to the US

Edward64 03-17-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3269370)
That passenger would be sitting uncomfortably in restraints for the rest of that flight if they were on my plane.


The article said the guys that restrained him after the punch broke some ribs.

PilotMan 03-17-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3269376)
The article said the guys that restrained him after the punch broke some ribs.



I meant cuffs, behind his back.

miami_fan 03-17-2020 10:42 AM

Parents, your Spring Breakers are heading back home.

Florida bars and nightclubs to close, students ordered home, DeSantis says

Thomkal 03-17-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3269364)
I live with my Mom who is in her 80's. She is definitely in the high-risk zone if she gets the virus with multiple medical conditions. She and her friends get together a couple times/month to do card crafting. They have put that on hold for now.


Went to Publix yesterday where they wiped down every cart, even the electric cart she uses in there. Wiped down the Pharmacy counter while we there, and elsewhere in the store. Myrtle Beach has about 83 Walmarts so our grocery access hasn't been a problem. We have one small trip we need to do there later this week to pick up something we ordered,and I have a dentist appointment next week that they want me to keep, but otherwise we are ready to ride this out.



Dentist changed their minds, so no doc/dentist appointments until april

sterlingice 03-17-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3269342)
How is everyone interacting with their elderly parents?

I live about 20 minutes from my mother. While she is still pretty strong, My nephew who is in college locally and I generally handle most of her shopping and drive her to most medical appointments and such. I stopped by on Saturday but have not been since. My nephew stays with her so I am not as concerned as I would be if she lived alone.



We saw my parents for what we figure will be the last time for a while over this weekend.


SI

Edward64 03-17-2020 11:10 AM

Watching the news conference now.

Pence interrupted Trump as he began to ramble and adlib. Trump stepped aside and Pence clarified.

ISiddiqui 03-17-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3269383)
Watching the news conference now.

Pence interrupted Trump as he began to ramble and adlib. Trump stepped aside and Pence clarified.


Has that ever happened before?

Edward64 03-17-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3269384)
Has that ever happened before?


Not that I remember ever seeing.

When it happened, I was thinking wow. I could see Fauci doing it but not the sycophant Pence.

Butter 03-17-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3269373)
Wife placed an order for pickup two days ago. Today was the earliest date for pickup. It was about $250 to feed 5 adults for a week to 10 days. Kroger couldn't fill half of it. Now she's a little worried about not only quantities, but she has a special diet and can't get the foods that she calls staples either.


Yeah, unfortunately there is some lag time there. I don't think stores were prepared for this "run", and the supply chain takes 2-3 weeks to replenish. I can't speak to what the manufacturing supply chain looks like, but typically Kroger would order, it would take about a week to ship (sometimes more), then the Kroger buyers have to get product to local warehouses, then the stores themselves order product in for themselves. That all takes another week or two. I'm sure they're trying to get as much as they can, but if the manufacturer supply is low, it could be another couple of weeks before they get everything back up to regular levels.

That's for packaged goods and dairy, can't speak for meat or bakery.

sterlingice 03-17-2020 11:20 AM

And now, for the more important news:
Un hombre disfrazado de dinosaurio desafía el estado de alarma... y es cazado por la Policía - MarcaTV

Translated using Google from a Spanish website: "A man dressed as a dinosaur defies the state of alarm ... and is hunted by the Police"
Subtitle translated: "The Local Police of Murcia has published a video in which an agent is seen intercepting a person disguised as Tyrannosaurus Rex: "In a state of alarm, pets are allowed to walk accompanied by a person, always with short walks to relieve themselves The one that you have Tyrannosaurus rex complex is not contemplated, "read the tweet."

SI

sterlingice 03-17-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3269374)



I wonder if it's for all Italians or just the Chinese in Italy, as per a story about the Chinese government "assistance" a couple of days ago.

China offers Italy medical aid as province donates masks to help overseas Chinese, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

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China and Italy reaffirmed bilateral ties in a phone call between the two countries' foreign ministers, with Beijing offering to provide Rome with medical aid to help fight the coronavirus. Separately, eastern Zhejiang province donated thousands of boxes of protective gear to help overseas Chinese in the European nation.


The story is a bit confusing, though. The first part is how the Chinese government wants to help Italy but there are no specifics. The second part is about how a specific province sent a specified number of masks and medical equipment, specifically for Chinese nationals in Italy (not the best look).



SI

Arles 03-17-2020 11:35 AM

Picking up my 70-year old dad from the hospital (had hip replacement surgery yesterday). I've tried to lock myself away since Friday (outside of my wife/kids). Luckily, I have an office in an external annex at work to where I'm not around many people. After I pick him up and get him situated at home this afternoon, I think I will finally take a break and go to my wife's uncles for a very small St Patty get together (6-7 people total) and have a few beers.

A bunch of my friends were at the bar on Saturday night and were texting me all night to show up. But knowing I had to get my dad today, I refrained. It is a little aggravating, but some things are more important than a night out of drinking.

Radii 03-17-2020 11:36 AM

Coronavirus: US hospital uses five months' worth of supplies in six days as shortages hit | The Independent

It's a hospital in Albany, GA that thought it had prepared very well for this. They have about half the current confirmed cases in the state at their hospital. They'll run out of supplies in 6 more days.

Galaril 03-17-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3269388)
I wonder if it's for all Italians or just the Chinese in Italy, as per a story about the Chinese government "assistance" a couple of days ago.

China offers Italy medical aid as province donates masks to help overseas Chinese, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times




The story is a bit confusing, though. The first part is how the Chinese government wants to help Italy but there are no specifics. The second part is about how a specific province sent a specified number of masks and medical equipment, specifically for Chinese nationals in Italy (not the best look).



SI


Actually these ones are coming to the US.

Arles 03-17-2020 11:38 AM

Something I was thinking about (as an aside), but how much do mass transit systems play into the virus spread? Both Italy and China are almost entirely mass transit. In Phoenix, we have virtually no mass transit systems (just a small light rail around downtown) and I wonder if that's why we don't have it as bad as some other places to this point.

It may be a reason why many parts of the US can avoid the high numbers Italy had. But, on the east coast, you have more mass transit and I wonder if that will make things worse out there.

Lathum 03-17-2020 12:00 PM

Can this idiot stop saying this thing crept up on us. We have known it was coming for some time.

Lathum 03-17-2020 12:04 PM

"nobody is going to be more bipartisan than me"

30 seconds later

"I watched the debates, they were horrible, Obama completely screwed up the swine flu"

Lathum 03-17-2020 12:30 PM

Kentucky derby postponed.

ISiddiqui 03-17-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3269392)
Something I was thinking about (as an aside), but how much do mass transit systems play into the virus spread? Both Italy and China are almost entirely mass transit. In Phoenix, we have virtually no mass transit systems (just a small light rail around downtown) and I wonder if that's why we don't have it as bad as some other places to this point.

It may be a reason why many parts of the US can avoid the high numbers Italy had. But, on the east coast, you have more mass transit and I wonder if that will make things worse out there.


This morning on MARTA I was easily able to put the 6 ft of distance in place.

Though I have heard NYC's mass transit the last few days may have spread the virus a bit.

CraigSca 03-17-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii (Post 3269390)
Coronavirus: US hospital uses five months' worth of supplies in six days as shortages hit | The Independent

It's a hospital in Albany, GA that thought it had prepared very well for this. They have about half the current confirmed cases in the state at their hospital. They'll run out of supplies in 6 more days.


How can this be? According to United States Coronavirus: 5,723 Cases and 97 Deaths - Worldometer there are only 12 serious or critical cases nationwide. Does this mean that everyone, even when their case is not critical is taking a bed?

RainMaker 03-17-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca (Post 3269405)
How can this be? According to United States Coronavirus: 5,723 Cases and 97 Deaths - Worldometer there are only 12 serious or critical cases nationwide. Does this mean that everyone, even when their case is not critical is taking a bed?


Probably confirmed cases. It's still near impossible to get a test in most of the country. ER doc from New Orleans was on TV the other day talking about how they have some new critical cases that they're sure are coronavirus but haven't been able to test them.

MIJB#19 03-17-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca (Post 3269405)
How can this be? According to United States Coronavirus: 5,723 Cases and 97 Deaths - Worldometer there are only 12 serious or critical cases nationwide. Does this mean that everyone, even when their case is not critical is taking a bed?

No, that source has misleading data if you assume (like I did) serious/critical is the same as treated on intensive care. Apparently they're not the same thing.

Lathum 03-17-2020 01:19 PM

Woman on my towns local facebook group just asked if anyone knows of any salons that are open because she needs color.

We are all going to die.

Edward64 03-17-2020 01:26 PM

Woo hoo. Looks like many of us will be getting freebie $1000 (?) checks.

I do appreciate the thought and would use my $1000 to buy something as a stress relief (new laptop or ipad) but they should figure out who really needs it.

FWIW, just a data point. Local restaurant and Cheesecake factory are open and seating guests.

sterlingice 03-17-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca (Post 3269405)
How can this be? According to United States Coronavirus: 5,723 Cases and 97 Deaths - Worldometer there are only 12 serious or critical cases nationwide. Does this mean that everyone, even when their case is not critical is taking a bed?


The best global models have us at 10-20x the number of cases as are reported. We're probably around 50K not 5K right now. However, tests are still so difficult to get so there's no way to know. I have 3 people in the medical profession in my family and they've been seeing cases that look like this for almost 2 months now and they have had no way to test. Looks kindof like the flu but tests negative for flu and strep.

SI

albionmoonlight 03-17-2020 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3269414)
I do appreciate the thought and would use my $1000 to buy something as a stress relief (new laptop or ipad) but they should figure out who really needs it.


Too much delay in getting the money out.

Give everyone a check and then raise taxes on high income earners later in the year to make up for the people who didn't need it.

panerd 03-17-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3269415)
The best global models have us at 10-20x the number of cases as are reported. We're probably around 50K not 5K right now. However, tests are still so difficult to get so there's no way to know. I have 3 people in the medical profession in my family and they've been seeing cases that look like this for almost 2 months now and they have had no way to test. Looks kindof like the flu but tests negative for flu and strep.

SI


Makes me wonder about all those vaping deaths though that is going pretty far back.

Ben E Lou 03-17-2020 01:42 PM

All NC bars and restaurants are delivery and carry-out only as of 5pm today.

MIJB#19 03-17-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3269394)
Can this idiot stop saying this thing crept up on us. We have known it was coming for some time.

Depends on what people think "some time" is. This particular corona virus was first reported in the USA on January 22nd, roughly 2 weeks before this thread was even started, it just didn't land yet this would be a pandemic.

Ben E Lou 03-17-2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3269417)
Too much delay in getting the money out.

Give everyone a check and then raise taxes on high income earners later in the year to make up for the people who didn't need it.

What's the threshold of "high" there? As a fairly typical suburban family of four, assuming the market recovers in the next 20ish years, this has been a minor financial windfall:
  • No longer paying $180/mo for drama/gymnastics classes
  • $260 soccer refund
  • Monthly gasoline bill dropping by ~$125/mo
  • $850 refund on school DC trip
  • $700 that had been set aside for trip, place to stay, dog boarding, etc. for a wedding weekend likely freed up
  • Additional harder-to-guess savings from being forced to eat at home more, but probably another $150-$250/mo. (Heck, even just ordering carry-out instead of eating in saves by not getting three drinks that cost 10 bucks total when you include the tip. :mad:)
I realize that the DC trip and wedding aren't "typical," but the others seem fairly standard for the middle/upper-middle class, but good luck raising taxes on that crowd.

Edward64 03-17-2020 02:06 PM

Marriott furloughing "tens of thousands" of employees. More furloughs & layoffs to come.

molson 03-17-2020 02:06 PM

I'm in the midst of getting thousands of dollars of refunds for cancelled trips to Disneyland and Europe in the next 6 weeks. It's an opportunity to both build the emergency fund and be charitable.

JPhillips 03-17-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca (Post 3269405)
How can this be? According to United States Coronavirus: 5,723 Cases and 97 Deaths - Worldometer there are only 12 serious or critical cases nationwide. Does this mean that everyone, even when their case is not critical is taking a bed?


In NY the hospitalization rate is 19% of confirmed cases.

PilotMan 03-17-2020 02:17 PM

We're heading to Hilton Head in less than three weeks and have a house rented there. Unless the owners come back and say they'll refund us the entire rental cost I can't see not going on that trip. We're driving, and going from one house to another house as a family. We don't have any other group events or outings to go to there. I can't see needing to cancel that one, certainly not for the money that's already laid out to go. However, I did posit a hypothetical to my wife, and if the owners did offer to refund, it would be very hard not to turn our money down, in light of current events.


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