I am a retired politician who has a long history of public service. I'm not campaigning for the leadership role, but I am throwing that skill out there.

I have to wonder if the skills at important for the roles rather than any actions the person may actually contribute. If that is the case then I am thinking I may be best as lead scientist... For what it is worth.

At equals are.

Great we have a regular ol Tom Mason here!

Hello, compatriots. Checking in for the evening.

Given the discussion, but lack of voting, I think I should emphasize my (incorrect?) understanding that these leadership positions and our D1 goal need to be decided tonight.

I could essentially have made this post, verbatim.

I have law enforcement experience on Earth, and I doubt that there is anyone on this mission that would be better equipped to carry out the sometimes physical nature of enforcing whatever laws we decide upon than myself.

That said, my record isn't perfect, and my physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. So I would implore the group to 1) focus on constructing government first, 2) electing me as sheriff, and 3) checking my enforcement of the rules we establish.

But moon buggy rhymes with dune buggy! :p

I have taken this summary post...


...and subsequent nominations to make the following candidate list.

Scientist: timmae, Raven
Sheriff: Shoveler, Thomkal, DanGarion, JAG, britrock88
Leader: Zinto, CrimsonFox, DanGarion, Grover, fontisian, Thomkal
Doctor: Autumn, Rum
Engineer: Grover, CrimsonFox

Requoting and reordering the candidate list.

Leader: Zinto, CrimsonFox, DanGarion, Grover, fontisian, Thomkal
Scientist: timmae, Raven
Engineer: Grover, CrimsonFox
Sheriff: Shoveler, Thomkal, DanGarion, JAG, britrock88
Doctor: Autumn, Rum

Project: government, biodome, scientific research center, medical center

Not much to reason among the candidates at this point; just making choices based on people whose work I am familiar with and avoiding multiple officeholders.

I think the votes are due Tuesday night at 10pm est... right?

In case I didn't make myself clear, my talents lie best in a leadership role, though no doubt I could help with law enforcement as well. So I thank Mr. Crimson Fox for the nomination there.

My primary concerns for us as a group continues to be safety-both in a physical sense-a sheriff chosen and people chosen to patrol the immediate area, and a survival sense-the biodome being constructed as quickly as possible.

May I ask why or did I miss you stating the reason?

Martial Law has been much needed at times in humanity's history Mr. Dangarion, and may be needed here depending on how events unfold. But no it would not be wise I feel for us to start out that way.

Had a power outage today. Actually for 2 days. Squirrels chewed through wires. :( Caused our furnace and appliances not to work.

anyway fixed now. thankfully cause we're in the midst of a freezing snowstorm

thanks mr rock.
i think i'd like ntndeacon to be nominated for doctor as well if he's got said skillz to pay the medical billz.

YES. Just rechecked the first page to clarify that Day Zero is tomorrow (rather than Day One).

Well, then, let this just be the first time I've been a first voter and give me crap for that. :p

how cute,
mr dan doesn't want mashall law on mars.
there must be a punch line in here

at least a song...

When I fight authority, authority always wins...
When I fight authority, authority always wins...

meaning our votes for positions yes?
so the other stuff involving what we build affects day one or day zero?

I shot the....JUST KIDDING!

Here is just a quick rundown on players past careers...

Autumn-Chief of Staff
Zinto- CEO
DanGarion- Leading Successful People?
Grover- ISS Engineer
Shoveler- Enforcing Justice?
Timmae- Science Field?
Thomkal- General
Grover- Lived in Space?
NTN- Medical Field?
CF- Auto mechanic?
Raven- Farmer
Suicane- Politician
Chief- ER
Font- History Professor
Brit- Law Enforcement Experience?

:)

He did pretty well as humanity's savior I think.

Nice work, Zinto. I was a police officer.

I will state once again that I would be a very successful leader in these circumstances. I have the ability and the experience to help run a colony.

and I can fix your moonbuggy

Yes

Hi there, sexy FOFCers. ;)

so like, grover is a space monkey?

Hahah I guess. Also, I have no idea if you are joking about being a mechanic or not so you got a question mark too!

I fought the law and the law won.

So that I don't forget...

Scientist: timmae
Sheriff: Thomkal
Leader: CrimsonFox
Doctor: ntndeacon
Engineer: Grover
Project: Pauly Sh--I mean Biodome

I wanted to hear from everyone if possible, as otherwise there are some folks that wouldn't be up for a vote, if it would be helpful. Schmidt and Danny haven't offered themselves anywhere, not sure if I missed anyone else.

I voted for Autumn, because his experience as a chief of staff mirrors mine as a general very much I think. A lot of leadership skill, knowledge in many different fields, ability to discipline fairly when called for, etc. I would be looking to vote for people in the other areas with similar qualities as well. So I think it would helpful for those running for a position to be specific about what position(s) they held on Earth if at all possible.

QUESTION FOR EF:

ARE WE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR OURSELF FOR A POSITION?

Lots of vagueness in those past careers. Many of them could mean anything... I thought we were settlers trying to create a new civilization here?

Suppose Thomkal (a military General?) becomes our leader, and Timmae (a "scientist") becomes our primary scientist. Then what do we become? A military space station?

Yes you may.

At this point I'm inclined to vote timmae as Scientist, I like how he's dug into things so far and probably go for government given more support for that than research. Other than those, still undecided to this point.

I was a private investigator on Earth, a skill set that is likely more useful in a group of 21 colonists + 1 unknown stowaway. With this small of a group we most likely wont need your run of the mill speed trap enforcing police officer.

The first order of business for our sheriff may be to identify this stowaway, and there is no one better suited for this task than myself.

i'd be okay with you being either leader or biodome
altho i like britrock for biodome too as he threw a nice vote my way. I'm a sucker for my constituents.

hahaha i mean sheriff, not biodome. hahaha Thomkal is SUCH a biodome.

I was a military (Army) general who lead during a time of war. I had to make difficult decisions that were not always popular, but I feel were the correct ones. I am retired now, thus not an active member of the military-so I would not be calling for a draft or martial law or something like that unless the situation here suddenly warranted it. I would not become a dictator if elected, but rather a leader of a democracy.

yes yes I am such a biodome :)

Personal preference here, but I'm not much in favor or having our leader be influenced by past ties to big business, or to the military. Our resident History Professor is intriguing though.

Spacelab 2022 AD

So a man who has spent his life making military decisions, and telling others what to do, will suddenly allow others to make the decisions democratically? I'm not buying it.

this wasn't a joke zinto. i really am an automechanic. I don't joke aronud with moon buggies

I don't see any in game statistic that would affect leadership -- EF's comment says that Social affects votes, doesn't say anything about leading.

And all I did was voice my thought about leadership, certainly others will have other people they suggest and recommend and vote for. make your case if you want me to vote you.

Several people have mentoined the idea that them getting to be a leader would bring some sort of benefit. Is that the case for Leader leader, or any type of leader? I would love to know if there's an in-game reason to pick anyone for the Leader position. For the others, I imagine it's just all Skill.

I personally will probably vote for a Leader who is not pushing to be one. I think that's the one position where secret agendas could be dangerous. We need to all pay attention to people who are strongly for one thing or another.

wanted to getmy vote in just in case I am tied up tomorrow at work.

Thoughts as follows..

I think a leader needs to put people into good roles and let them fulfill their abilities. Dangarion has lead successful people and could be a great leader for the new colony.

I think my life as a scientist on earth gives me a slight edge over Raven who was a farmer. As to day to day tasks I think Raven and I could make a great scientific foundation.

Grover lived in space so his engineering input can be invaluable.

Shoveler enforced justice and will be able to rule with an iron fist if need be.

I chose Chief as doctor as I imagine any medical needs on Mars may be from a ER type perspective. i.e. catastrophic events that need quick thinking.

I think a quick goverment setup and then getting into the next task at hand is the most prudent way to start a colony. No rules and chaos starts.

I'd like to hear from Chief regarding being the docter and also want to know more about Thomkaland leading. I see people's fears about a military state but I can assure you that a marine base on mars is not the goal, lol.

I was thinking this too actually. That's why I kinda liked Thom

To be fair I am sure the reason you started the game wanting to be the doctor is the same I want to be the leader. I will gain a benefit that will help the team if I become the leader and I think that is a better reason than voting for JAG who may get a benefit from becoming the sheriff.

Social is the one trait that may affect leadership. I.e. can the leader get everyone together and on the same page to lead for the colony's overall good. I would think a person with business acumen would be preferred over a military career where social is not the thing. Thoughts?

and I am of the opinion that ALL roles could be affected by secret agendas. See every Chaos Spawn Game Everywhere.

It's not Tuesday...

i mean did you SEE all the Doom games? It was the scientists that messed crap up. THe marines had to shoot all the monsters and save the day.

Autumn-Chief of Staff
Zinto- CEO
DanGarion- Leading Successful People?
Grover- ISS Engineer
Shoveler- Private Investigator
Timmae- Science Field?
Thomkal- General
Grover- Lived in Space?
NTN- Medical Field?
CF- Auto mechanic
Raven- Farmer
Suicane- Politician
Chief- ER
Font- History Professor
Brit- Police Officer

Updated and moved to page six.

Every time I would press the correct button, I would receive a banana. I had so many bananas.

LOL well then you could keep us fed that way for SURE!

Heya fancy pants... no need for everyone to send you a PM now! :)

This is where I am leaning currently based on my current knowledge of who had what job back on Earth.

LOL, mad scientist... I kinda like the sound of that! Alas... I am more of the engineering type. I am thinking it helps more with real world function and less about genetic engineering..

Chief of WHAT Staff for autumn?
Was he the guy on West WIng?

Oops hospital staff but what can you do:confused:

Are you CEO of Microsoft? Cause if you are I want to punch you in the face for making me suffer through WIndows 8.1 issues for a week.

Read: hi I have "scientist" in my title therefore vote for me as lead "scientist". Nobody even knows what kind of "scientist" you were. Can you share more info or is that one of your scientific secret?

brit could also be a good sherrif probably... Need someone to be a patrolman of the colony and a former police officer may work well.

thanks for the updates

I can see the open ended title for sure... My career was studying science so I would say I have a great base of knowledge across the entire field of study. Raven could be better if we choose as a colony to focus on the biodome early on. If there are other science items that arise I could have the better dice rolls I imagine.

Oh I do have said skills honed in less than hospitable conditions at times.

I was leaning towards chief due to ER experience... I am intrigued by your mention of "less than hospitable conditions..." Please tell more. Or, we should make a mental note of this for future discussion if conditions should worsen.

If you follow me I will make sure all your comments are heard throughout the process of colonizing Mars. In my past I've been known to be accepting of all people that have crossed my path and I'm known for being well liked by those that follow me. I believe in a democratic society where all can have a say in how we colonize.

Vote for me or not, I will assist in any way possible in whatever duty I'm given.

ISS? Want to know more..

I see. So more of a jack of all trades but a master of nothing. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not trying to pick on you, but so far it's you vs me for science and I've made my background and intentions clear, so I wanted you to clarify. I plan on doing the same for the other roles as well.

No worries bud... it's critical we try and get this thing set up to succeed.

I was an EMT. and better than a lot of doctors I knew.

Thanks for the clarification... This could work well for us also... I'd be open to others thoughts.

Will provide more information in the morning.

Nope!! (Luckily EF messaged me on Facebook :) )

I'm still reading the rules and posts and things, but I'll vote or whatever later on.

lol I was kinda thinking the same thing when I saw zinto's list.
Like a fox news reporter talking about "oh I do a lot of the science. all kinds.:)"
Did you have a speciallty or do you not know

other "science items"? again this does not sound like a warming endorsement. Were you a teacher? A chemist? a Geologist? just read a book on it?
and yeah not to pick on you or anything

lol well you've got me beat by having the word "engineer" in your name. :)

missed this. I don't think it's a huge problem if someone thinks they could fit more than one position. That being said, I think Grover would make a better engineer than myself so if I had to choose, then leader.

yeah JAG is kind of a go-to guy tho. I seem to recall he was one of the main officers in chaos spawn? if this were chaos, i'd suspect he would be a target for something. I'd rather not put him or us in that position this time. I know I"m getting ahead of myself but he is frequently put in charge and people know that.

ntndeacon and raven, i'm on and bored.
you have any words of wisdom? things to add/subtract? songs to sing?

His early push for government against the then group goal of a biodome felt excessive, like he was going more for his own goals than the goals of the colony.

Leader - fontisian
Scientist - Raven
Engineer - Grover
Sheriff - britrock88
Doctor - Chief Rum
Project - Government

He wants singing...

All our times have come
Here but now they're gone...

I'm kind of thinking anyone that wants government over surviving the first day has a secret reason :/ haha.
I mean we can ORGANIZE without having government yet. We can vote for these positions without having government right? What IS a government "Project"? Does it just give bonuses to people on the "board"?
we don't know that. But that's why I don't understand why gov comes first.

I mean, the fact that it's good for me is a major reason that I want it over scientific research, but both options will probably improve efficiency and be good in the long run.

yeah but my point is there IS not long run if we die of asphyxiation and lung poisoning and alien microbe bacterial infections on day one :)

I do see several good candidates for Leader really. I think whoever wins would help things no matter what their skill assortment in different ways.

Just to add why I voted the way I did.

First and foremost I'm confident in my leadership ability so wouldn't vote for anyone other than me.

Grover already being an ISS engineer was an automatic for me.

Thomkal knows how to run military, and although the law is a bit different than military I think having a strong group of people that will protect us doing the other duties will benefit us all in the long run.

Chief Rum seems to have the best experience actually dealing with trauma so I think he fits best making sure we can all heal up and survive in the harsh environmental reality we are about to face.

Timmae's reasoning of leading the science team but working with Raven seemed to make the most sense with such a small number of us that have shown any science background.

I didn't factor in what project any of these people want to do first because I think we need the best possible people in the positions first for us to get any real work done.