That vote would probably logically lead me to thinking Danny was bad if bhlloy is, not set in stone at all.

FYI...only 23 players shown here, but we have 24 players. I got lazy and didn't try to confirm who.

Ummm.. Sorry. I'm not following, well, any of this. How has your Danny-voting antics lead to voting Bhlloy?

Leaning to voting Gramm really but Lathum looks like a more viable candidate for now so I'll stick with that. See you all.

You always found a way to mention my name on day one.. but not this time, unless I missed it.. it feels strange.

It started with 2 wolves (mau and I) and I was able to corrupt Zinto to use his hand as a psuedo-wolf and convert Chief as a 3rd (4th if you count the hand) wolf.

I'm sorry, I meant the last Red Death game. Funny that the last game had so much conversion also.

Quite frankly I voted Lathum soley to see his reaction. His general apathy towards the run on him could be telling. The Lathum I'm used to would have voted for each of us in sessession and labeled the run a grand wolf conspiracy.

I'm unsure of what to make of this.

Thinking back the last game was much like Evil Dead. It started with two wolves. There were two early conversions. I also had a dark charm which made me survive an excorsim. I also had an object that allowed me to night fall.

And most importantly a tie means everyone is lynched. Never forget this.

I'm guessing it's just Lathum being busy more than anything else. I fully expect him to pop in and pick a fight with someone voting for him and swap his vote a few times before deadline still.

thanks it's Saldana who voted and unvoted so he should be under the "yet to vote"

I think this is just New Lathum. He's much more mellow now that he's got a kid ;-) Kind of the opposite of me.

Because he voted right after me to give dubb his second vote.

funny this was my first thought too. Kids do that to ya.....at least it did to me

for those who haven't notices the Sheriff has no jurisdiction here as he's from Arkansas and we're in Missouri (Yes, I'm sure it's just a typo, but thought it was funny :shrugs: as I was rereading the rules/roles)

New New Lathum?

Lathum Classic is right around the bend.

I did not know either, I didn't play in it or read the posts. From other posts it sounds like 2 wolves. If that game had less players, then maybe this one has an extra wolf. It just seems unlikely there would be just one. If the day one lynch was a lucky hit, it would be game over and most GMs would not want that to happen.

It would be kind of hilarious if a 25 person game ended in one day actually.

Yeah I would guess maybe 3 bad guys.

please, don't kill me, you'll regret it.

( insert cryptic message about important role)

Interesting run on bhlloy

vote J23

trying to keep this from turning into a landslide on Bhlloy and I'm not fond of voting for Lathum either.

I have flames ....flames....flaiming....on the side of my face...

dola - will be interesting if it stays status quo who Bholloy puts his vote on too and why that person

There's so many people in this game it seems likely this is mostly villager motivated, especially if the number of wolves is small to start, but you never know.

That makes him more dangerous not less dangerous as he's being played by Samuel L Jackson. :D

vote update

dubb - Thomkal (83),Bholly (125)
ntn - dzilla77 (84)
mauboy - ntn (88), hoops (129)
J23 - Autumn (116), Zinto (178) SnDvls (225)
Danny - EagleFan (117), Lathum (142)
Bhlloy - Commo Soldier (127), The Jackal (199), J23 (212), mckerney (222)
Lathum - mauboy1 (164), Narcizo (167), dubb93 (170)

Yet to vote: CrimsonFox, Danny, saldana, MrBug, Raiders Army, Chief Rum, Grammaticus


Voted then unvoted

MrBug - Narcizo (101)
The Jackal - Narcizo (154)
Dubb - saldana (171)
Danny - The Jackal (199)
The Jackal - SnDvls (213)

I have no idea what my item does as well. Hoping it gives me superduper bonus but there is no description of it.

Hmmmm...

It might just be something shiny to have so that I look cool

Wowsers I don't remember that but yes that sure sounds mondopowerful info for the village. NOt surprised it was taken out.

eenie...meenie...miney...

vote mauboy :D

Interesting vote, putting the third person at 3 behind bhlloy

I'm going to put a placeholder vote out.

ntn

Nothing really to go on at this point, so I will keep it with one of the current 7 options out there.

That is:

Vote ntn

This sounds like "dubb being dubb as a villager" talk

It's not a typo.

We have a serious spread of votes here. I will be curious to see if we see some consolidation or not. I would think if we do, maybe we'll have a hint of a wolf being involved. If we don't, chances are the village is blowing smoke up its own ass, and looking to lynch any of a number of villagers (no wolves in the mix).

Of course, if the theory of just two wolves is true, it may just be the wolves have no real ability to affect the outcome or direction of voting, with how many players we have in the game.

ok that is interesting then.

I believe I red items go to bad guys upon death. Maybe that's just night kill. Don't know. But it IS an evil world so it might be on lynch too.

i dont think it does us any good to have a runaway vote on day one.

also, not only does lathum have a kid now, but he also has a job, so his ranting and raving time has been reduced to a minimum

vote j23

"what in the world is a texas county mountie doing in arkansas?"

Just got back from subbing

Vote Crimson Fox

Dola

That's for converting me in Chubby's game

Perhaps. I would think he's just normally a Sheriff in Arkansas, and he's only in Missouri now because he's at this Lightbringer conference. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the powers or abilities he would normally have. What he is in Arkansas or here doesn't matter anyway--we know what abilities he has in the here and the now.

I KNEW IT! It was YOU that killed me. GRRRRR :redface: :)

Unvote mau
Vote bhlloy

Since I need to go for the evening, I am changing to one of the now 3 leaders. (I am including Lathum as he isn't too far behind the leaders.) I assume there will be a bit more moving around before the end but that is it for me. Talk to y'all this evening!

Considering I wasn't too fond of my Lathum vote to begin with and he is claiming roled it would be stupid of me to leave it.

Unvote Lathum

I would love to play this out some more an see how things shake but I am likely to be busy the rest of the way at work so I need to vote.

Vote Bholly

I was the first to cast stones at him for being worried I would slip UTR which is just odd to me. I think it was inevitable that my vote was going to end up here anyway.

unvote lathum
vote dubb

I knew it would come back to haunt me. :D But as an 8th candidate now or whatever. Now THAT is interesting, Jackal.

May have been an item. May have been a power. Ultimately I pulled the trigger. I never anticipated the blood bath that followed.

Sling'n it till it sticks?

It looks like we're starting to see our consolidation. bhlloy remains in the lead. If my pet theory has any creedence to it, bhlloy is a villager, and the other candidates contain a wolf, probably one of those still in the hunt. Right now, that seems to be mauboy1 and J23. J23's vote on bhlloy makes sense for his own self-preservation. mauboy1 switching to dubb? Not so much.

VOTE mauboy1

I was sure he was there to deliver Mizzou's invitation to the SEC.

Well I was sherriff last time and it was like Bodyguard and I think started with a colt but i don't remember what a colt did. Things might be altered in roles for balance as well. In fact I would most assuredly think many roles ARE different than before (however slightly)

Yeah, but he does have a gun, so that gives him jurisdiction regardless of his location.

Yeah, I am accepting the sheriff role on the face value of what is described in the ruleset. I am just noting that the jurisdiction issue is iirelevant because the ruleset establishes what his powers are in this game in Missouri, regardless of what they would be in Arkansas.

It was a few hours from lynchtime I think so I didn't expect to die but I just happened to be leading votegetter at the time.

Talking about wolf-strategy... DOes it make sense to use a one-time ability like that on villager-villager, or actually use it to save a wolf who is number two of three?

I could see risks either way. First case it would kinda waste the ability when it isn't needed but it would surely cause confusion.

Second case it would possibly put a target on your co-wolf's back, but if they are in a mix of 2nd/3rd candidates, it is often possible to have that fact ignored and squeak by in later days because of other attention.

Thinking about this from a flavor-text AND gameplay angle. If I put in a line like that, it would be to say that he has no power to just go up and arrest someone that he thinks is bad and thus has to follow the rules of this town like everyone else. But since he IS a man of the law and skilled at shootin' and fightin' and swearin', he takes it upon himself to defend and protect people (thus the bodyguard aspect).

Updating SnDvLs chart

vote update

dubb - Thomkal (83),Bholly (125) mauboy (250)
ntn - dzilla77 (84), Grammatica (236)
mauboy - hoops (129) CrimsonFox (233) Chief Rum (254)
J23 - Autumn (116), Zinto (178) SnDvls (225) saldana (242)
Danny - EagleFan (117), Lathum (142)
Bhlloy - Commo Soldier (127), The Jackal (199), J23 (212), mckerney (222), ntndeacon (248) dubb (249)
Lathum - Narcizo (167)
Crimson Fox - MrBug (244)

Yet to vote: Danny, Raiders Army


Voted then unvoted

MrBug - Narcizo (101)
The Jackal - Narcizo (154)
Dubb - saldana (171)
Danny - The Jackal (199)
The Jackal - SnDvls (213)
mauboy - ntndeacon (248)
Lathum - dubb (249)
Lathum - mauboy (250)

I really feel quite good about CHief being a villager and think like 60% that dubb is also a villager.

I just read dubbs move as completely wolfy sounding.

I disagree. I don't think a wolf would turn a runaway 5 into a runaway 6.
He would just leave things be instead.

That said I don't know WHY an uberrunaway on bhlloy is that important. I don't read anything into people throwing out a second vote at all these days, even if you are the first. I really doubt a wolf would do that.

The move itself doesn't look like a wolf - but everything about the post itself just says "wolf" to me. Just the way I read it, that's all.

6-4-3-3 is a runaway vote?

bhlloy frequently being gone during many middays and therefore not able to change his vote to a "save himself" vote yet (or maybe not ever) also makes me think bhlloy is a probably a villager.

I think Jackal's point was that putting Danny into the mix bhlloy almost immediately voted for Dubb, leading Jackal to think it might have been a defensive vote? Others jumped on it 'cause, hey, why not, and probably because they figured it might get more traction than a Danny or Dubb vote if they are wolves.

hmmm yeah not runaway anymore, I thought others didn't have more than 3 at this point.

Yeah, I'm not really seeing a runaway either. I am also not seeing anything in today's posts that indicate anyone is a wolf or for that matter a villager.

The problem with (probably) so few wolves on D1 is that it is unlikely that we would hit one to begin with and the wolves would be unable to influence the voting one way or another.

I definitely don't like how many people jumped on my reasoning, but at least it made for some interesting movement.

Well, I'm out til about a half hour before deadline.

Don't vote for me!

Yeah I believe Jackal does think that way. First day I never know. THere's frequently people voting at the same time/not reading all the posts and votes when they vote. Granted he knew dubb had a vote. Did he know about the Danny vote. I really doubt a wolf would up to a second vote immediately after their cohort was voted once.

So if we believe jackal's theory then bhlloy and Danny are both wolves then. I don't think that.

I essentially agree with dzilla that we'll probably only see noise today, no signal. Twenty four voters, and we know a smaller than number amount of wolves, whatever that is. And I think there's a very good chance some of them can't talk to each other (was that the case last Red Death game?). So pretty unlikely we'll catch the wolves at anything today. But you never know. I think Jackal's idea was a pretty smart one, sometimes you catch somebody with stuff like that.

I started a new job today which really sucks, but I'll come out and reveal on day 1 I guess. I'm the keeper of the flame, probably won't get on again until well after deadline.

Self preservation

unvote dubb
vote Mauboy

doh, reading again Mau and Dubb were tied anyway. Gotta run.

Well, that's a role that he should be able to demonstrate, so a pretty safe reveal to believe.

bhlloy j23 has more votes than either. I didn't see that either actually as all of his voters have short names.

For those just tuning in:

Dubb - thomkal, mauboy
NTN - dzilla, grammaticus
Mauboy - hoops, CF, chief rum, bhlloy
MrBug -
J23 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana
Danny - EF, Lathum
Bhlloy - commo, jackal, J23, mckerney, ntndeacon, dubb
Jackal -
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

okay 6-4-4-2 now

Sorry for suggesting a theory which led to a run on you and forced you to reveal, bud.

Well, mau said he'd be back a half hour before deadline, so if he has a role he'll have time to reveal.

VOTE MAU

I believe bhlloy. Good reveal as well, especially since you're not a crucial role.

My guess is the two or three (seems like that is the general consensus) are under the radar at this point.

EF is here. Good. He's the person I most want to hear from now. I miss him.

Why is everybody going Mauboy? What is the rationale there?

Hi CF.

For me the only reason was the other current option already revealed a role.

Still trying to catch up (and have more ELB stuff to take care of) but will be here for a little while (will comment on anything that jumps out at me).

Perhaps of interest, of note at least, that three people have gone with Mauboy rather than J23, when it was 6-4 bhlloy/J23.

Honestly I don't have a reason other than seeing what shakes out

I don't think Mau is a wolf

About to do a fantasy hockey draft and then watch house, will be in and out

BIg thanks for this reminder. Very important!

Oh and I am fine with a J23 vote, but I am looking to manipulate the candidates here hopefully into J23 and Ntn