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RendeR 07-16-2007 08:58 PM

SWAGGS! Dude, we thought...phew, good to have you back man!


;)

Telle 07-16-2007 09:02 PM

Finally got my PM.. and luckily I'm human for my first game so I hopefully won't get too confused!

Telle 07-16-2007 09:05 PM

And where did this Swaggs person come from?!??

tanglewood 07-16-2007 09:15 PM

Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).


And there is a good reason for the non-role reveal in this game. Firstly, without it the game would be too far unbalanced in favour of the humans. Secondly, it's Blade Runner, the mystery and doubt is part of the theme. :)

DAY ONE VOTE DEADLINE - 9PM EST

st.cronin 07-16-2007 09:19 PM

Oh I understand its a balance issue tangle. If I were a wolf I'd be ecstatic.

Alan T 07-16-2007 09:21 PM

I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.

RendeR 07-16-2007 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1502979)
I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.



OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T



He is Obviously a Replicant.

Barkeep49 07-16-2007 09:36 PM

Render's that's some grade A insight and analysis. That was what I was talking about a couple games back.

st.cronin 07-16-2007 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood (Post 1499703)

Deckard is an grizzled Blade Runner who can administer Voight-Kampff tests, the only way to 100% differentiate between humans and replicants. He can also violently terminate other players.

Holden is a young, inexperienced Blade Runner. He is trained in the Voight-Kampff tests but is not as handy with a pistol as Deckard.

Gaff is a member of the police department who can watch over players and guide them away from replicant attempts on their life.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell is the head of Tyrell Corp., the massive company that manufactures replicants. Batty believes that he can help deactivate the killswitch.

J.F. Sebastian is the cheif designer at Tyrell Corp., another individual Batty believes can help the replicants in their cause.


So ...

Deckard and Holden - seer/assasin types

Gaff - bodybuard

Tyrell and Sebastian are human, right? But in game terms they appear to be useful to the replicants. I'm not sure I understand how they work in the game.

Lathum 07-16-2007 09:52 PM

human checking in

Alan T 07-16-2007 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1502986)
OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T



He is Obviously a Replicant.


In fact, the girl described in my PM seemed to be very obviously not human. Sounds like a good plan. I obviously am evil. So everyone come out and vote me. Its just the strategy I would use.

twothree 07-16-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood (Post 1502970)
Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).


PM received.

Swaggs 07-16-2007 10:24 PM

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

bulletsponge 07-16-2007 10:24 PM

wolf checking in *starts licking himself*

Alan T 07-16-2007 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1503016)
I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.


Nope, not me at all. Mine was about some hot girl that turned into a spider. I have no clue what it means.

st.cronin 07-16-2007 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1503016)
I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.


I had nothing like that at all.

st.cronin 07-16-2007 10:39 PM

Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.

LoneStarGirl 07-16-2007 10:53 PM

I got my pm and mine said that I got a bike!

RendeR 07-16-2007 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503034)
Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.



Wait, I didn't kill you, you were strangled weren't you? That was Ardent's doing.


I am the Disemboweler.

st.cronin 07-16-2007 11:30 PM

Well, at any rate I'm avoiding ardent for today. I'd like to give the blade runners a chance to clear him and/or swaggs. But I wanted to vote for one of the wolves from the last game.

RendeR 07-16-2007 11:31 PM

Well thats just silly, Why rub our proverbial noses in it? YOU WON =)

Sounds like sour grapes to me, and no-one knows sour grapes better than a replicant, since they only get to live 4 yearsthey're about as soured on life as you get.

Someone vote St. Cronin, QUICK!

He's obviously a replicant.

DaddyTorgo 07-16-2007 11:39 PM

got my PM. need to read the rules/setup info.

DaddyTorgo 07-16-2007 11:45 PM

ok. i'm a human being.

st.cronin 07-16-2007 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1503066)
ok. i'm a human being.


You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

RendeR 07-16-2007 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503067)
You needed to read the rules to figure that out?



The rules did say the one replicant wasn't all that bright, I'd say this is hard evidence that:

DADDYTORGO IS A REPLICANT!!

RendeR 07-16-2007 11:52 PM

So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.


Do I win?

st.cronin 07-16-2007 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1503069)
So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.


Do I win?


You're no LoneStarGirl.

ntndeacon 07-16-2007 11:55 PM

I have recieved my pm and am human.

path12 07-16-2007 11:58 PM

Human checking in. I thought we were starting tomorrow. I need to read the rules......damn Trukz. :)

Lathum 07-16-2007 11:59 PM

VOTE HOOPSGUY

as promised

RendeR 07-17-2007 12:14 AM

Didn't you people read ANYTHING I said?? ;)

RendeR 07-17-2007 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503071)
You're no LoneStarGirl.



Well duh, she's a hot female with red hair and apparently a non-red-neck, I'm a 30-something fat white guy....no contest, she kicks my ass =)

Chief Rum 07-17-2007 12:50 AM

Got my PM, and I'm a human. I'll have to review the rule set when I get the chance. I'm checking in and out for right now, though, as I have to get to bed. I work both jobs tomorrow, but my second job starts particularly late, so I will have time to check in before deadline. Good luck, everyone.

Jonathan Ezarik 07-17-2007 05:19 AM

Human here. I'm also interested in this AE/Swaggs tennis thing, so I won't be voting for either of them (yet). And since I have to vote for someone:

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Why do you need to read the rules to see that you're a human?

[ooc]Today and tomorrow I work from 6:00 AM to 5 central and then I go to the gym, so I won't be around all day (FOFC is blocked at work). I hope to be on before the deadline, but I don't know for sure.[/ooc]

KWhit 07-17-2007 07:38 AM

Normal human checking in.

KWhit 07-17-2007 07:47 AM

So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Deckard scans Swaggs.
Holden scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

Telle 07-17-2007 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503067)
You needed to read the rules to figure that out?


I'm going to guess that he has one of the special roles and needed to find out if he should/could reveal that.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:32 AM

It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Vote DT

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:33 AM

Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

Telle 07-17-2007 08:35 AM

I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

st.cronin 07-17-2007 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1503122)
So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Holden scans Swaggs.
Deckard scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.


Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

st.cronin 07-17-2007 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503139)
Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.


If you are killed, your role is revealed, so we will be able to go through your posts and possibly figure out what you knew. So my suggestion is to reveal if you are likely to be lynched, but not if you think you are likely to be killed.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503143)
Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

That would be in keeping with the movie, I believe though I haven't read the book.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1503141)
I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.

Telle 07-17-2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503153)
Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.


But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.

Passacaglia 07-17-2007 09:05 AM

Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

KWhit 07-17-2007 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503143)
Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?


I think it's possible. At this point, I'm not ruling out anything.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1503163)
But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.

And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.

Swaggs 07-17-2007 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503143)
Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?


I think it is a possibility and something to consider.

Someone who read the book or saw the movie more recently will probably remember better, but if I recall correctly, Deckard's love interest is a replicant that does not realize she is not human because she has been given someone else's memories.

There is also the insinuation that Deckard could, himself, be a replicant. But that is kind of left open to interpretation.

Telle 07-17-2007 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503178)
And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.


Or.. you're a replicant and trying to throw us off your trail by coming out strong, and in the process get a human sent off to Mars (and a potentially valuable human at that).


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