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The country that has routinely targeted hospitals (including this very one 2 days earlier), told the hospital (and 5 others) they were going to bomb it, and then bragged about bombing it, might have had something to do with it. Just a hunch. The Naftali tweet is not a "supposed quote". He said it and admits it. I don't know why you're rushing to defend this as fake when everyone involved admits he said it. |
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I can’t see in the dark. I’m sure pics was taken of the wreckage. Show them. |
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I'm sure the people with no electricity or internet might struggle with your request. |
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No idea. I'm sure it'll come out eventually. I'll wait for corroborating evidence either way. |
Picture and videos out now show that it was not the building that was struck. It was mostly a car park and open area outside the hospital. Most of the damage seems to be from flames, which would not be the case from a high-explosive. No catering which would indicate something like a JDAM which is used to damage structures or destroy bunkers. If not rocket fuel burn, it would have to be a firebomb.
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The recording is compelling, but obviously with technology nowadays, perfectly understandable if people do not accept it. It would be better if they did not block out the names and identified them but that is also understandable. The audio also talks about the wreckage being "local" and not Israeli ...
https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae...5-d32da01ccf80 Pic of damage area. I think IDF said there were 3 areas damaged but this was the only one I saw. I'd like to see a "crater" if there is one, should be easy for Hamas to produce it.  https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...342530/photo/1 Walkthrough of the site https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...35687070916987 Good thing for daylight. We can see better now and not just rely on dark videos and sounds of what supposedly JDAM sounds like. |
This the other craters a good ways from the explosion site. There had been some hits around the site earlier so they might not have even come from this one.
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And now that they have been moved, any evidence from the fragments will be tainted. What a mess. This is just an ink-blot test at this point. People are going to see whatever position they want to see.
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Have you shown Joe Biden your evidence? He seems to think it was the Palestinians that blew up the hospitsl. |
Really good article on what comes next, which is not good even in the best case scenarios.
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This is like that time Reddit found the Boston Bombers.
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The problem is that Biden is neither an expert in the specific acoustics of different bombs, missiles, rockets, etc. nor in watching small lights in the dark sky on a video and assessing the specific type of airborne weapons they are. So the video's going to mean nothing to Biden. Thankfully we can rely on experts like RainMaker and others on social media for this information. |
Well I roughly know where Haifa is on a map and didn't lie about seeing photos of beheaded babies.
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So, has your stance on the Hospital incident changed? Do you still believe it was an Israeli rocket attack or lean towards a Hamas/Islamic Jihad misfire? |
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Not really, it's all just circumstantial. One one hand, we know Israel targets hospitals, we know they struck that hospital twice a couple of days earlier, and we know they told them to evacuate the hospital as more strikes were coming. We also know they initially took credit for the strike on the hospital and bragged they had killed terrorists hiding out there. On the other hand, we have the word of Israel, a country that has lied incessantly over the years about atrocities they commit. A country that has changed its story half a dozen times on what happened here. Or Joe Biden, a man who blatantly lied about an alleged atrocity during a national press conference. People can decide on their own based on that evidence. But I'd lean toward the perpetrator being the one that does this routinely, said they would do it, and bragged about doing it. Quote:
Reporters are banned by Israel from entering into Gaza to report on this. Heck, they murdered an American journalist last year in the West Bank and lied about it. Where are you planning to get this "further information" from? |
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Every single statement you just made is misinformation. It has some elements of truth, but twisted just enough to be used for the "truth" you want. I do find it fascinating that someone can just totally buy the talking points from a terrorist organization. Oh, I forgot. Hamas murders babies, children, whole families in front of each other, but that is justified. Only Israel should be held accountable for anything they do, anything Hamas does, anything Hezbolla does, anything Iran does.... Selling out to one side really puts the blinders on. |
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No one said Hamas is justified. You just use that as a strawman because you can't defend the slaughter of innocent lives. I hope everyone in Hamas is killed. I definitely wouldn't have propped them up as Netanyahu did. Pull up the number of innocent civilians killed and injured in this conflict over the past couple of decades. It's a staggering difference. And that doesn't even touch on the inhumanity of running an apartheid state. Or of imprisoning 2 million people in a tiny stretch of land. Or of illegally settling on lands and violently removing people. The atrocities committed by Hamas (who are just a fraction of Palestinians) pales in comparison to what Israel continues to do to this day. |
I didn't justify the killing of innocents. I didn't spend several posts in this thread trying to justify Hamas' attack on Israel like you. The guy you are talking about is a political advisor, just like Steve Bannon. He is absolutely a crank on Twitter, because that is exactly his specialty. It doesn't feed your narrative, so you are going to make him out to be some military advisor to suit your hatred of Israel.
I have already said in this thread that Israel needs to stop the bombing campaign. Israel has been guilty of great evils to the Palestisn people and the continued escalation needs to stop. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen until Israel removes Hamas from power, and the fact Hamas has no qualms in using civilians as human shields means this is going to get worse before it gets better. Hamas has no problem with the death of innocent Palestinians. They actually thrive on it because it makes great PR opportunities. Whether this attack was Israel or Hamas there was only one benefactor to it, and that was Hamas. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk |
If Steve Bannon had tweeted in 2017 that we bombed a hospital in Syria to kill terrorists, then backtracked and blamed jihadists when it turned out to be getting bad press, people would have absolutely believed that it happened.
This isn't going to end when Hamas is out of power. This started long before Hamas was even a thing. People who are imprisoned won't just stop fighting for freedom. And the daily atrocities happening in the West Bank have nothing to do with Hamas either. And again, Hamas is what Netanyahu wanted. He propped them up over the years to weaken Fatah. He knew that put Israeli citizens at risk, but it was worth the sacrifice their lives to prevent a 2-state solution. If he wanted to destroy Hamas right now, he'd be bombing Qatar. |
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Netanyahu probably is done whatever happens here. Unless some Grand Peace comes out of this (which there is a greater chance that the moon is made of cheese), his government is done. They are guilty of catastrophic failures across the board. I don't see any way he survives this. As for "ending with Hamas", of course it doesn't. The only silver lining here is much the ground of any peace there has come after these big upheavals. Hopefully this will lead to a more moderate Israeli government and some real forward progress on some type of agreement. But it is going to get much uglier before it gets better, if it doesn't grow into greater regional fighting which would be beyond catastrophic. |
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Interesting. Some hope, maybe? It would be nice if they would get them to stop the bombing campaign as well.
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I still can't imagine they'll go through with a ground war. Young people are not exactly on board with the government there and we've seen they aren't equipped for an urban battle environment. Their military fell into the trap that we saw recently with Lebanon or with South Korea after WW2.
The best way to do it is to put pressure on Qatar. That will have to come from the United States as Israel doesn't care about the hostages. Two Americans were just released. |
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Can you really say talks are "secret" in a tweet where you speak about them? |
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I guess it's possible they won't go into Gaza city, Joe told them to not make the same mistakes. But I can see them going into Gaza Strip and creating more of a buffer zone. They'll eventually give that back in negotiations. I don't see not going in at all. |
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Supply trucks are moving.
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A lot of info in the opinion poll below. Broken out by age groups. In general, younger & older people think differently (no surprise).
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Good article. Basically, saying that Joe is discouraging Bibi from going all in assaulting Gaza.
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Israel doesn't have many good choices. Personally, I don't think western world opinion (e.g. US) can sustain a prolonged invasion. If they go in, it'll have to be quick, destroy as much of Hamas as possible (and hostages will be secondary). But because an invasion hasn't been launched yet, good chance that Joe's conversations with Bibi is having its effect. |
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Every indication is that Israel is going into Gaza soon. Most likely the next 24 hours. The US is still trying to get them to scale back their plans, but it doesn't look like that is going to happen.
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Redditors are saying there’s IDF-Hamas fighting now. Looks like this is the invasion.
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