Yep, still pinging. I hate when people say crap like this (though that often includes myself!).

I put the vote there. It's the first time I put a vote on somebody for inactivity and I own up to it. She is one of three people I would've considered and she was inactive on top of it so I'll take the heat.

wtf

If someone's (I can't remember who at this point and I've got to shut down for the night) hypothesis was correct - that one wolf chopped Lathum's first head off and another wolf killed on the same night - then perhaps it took both wolves attacking Lathum's two other heads to finish him off tonight.

7 left - quite possibly 5 vs. 2. If anyone thinks they're close to the center, it do what you can to make a run for it.

Yeah, look, I was Farrah'd been a wolf, but I'm not upset that we lynched someone who has missed three deadlines (Ten, three, Ten) and possibly four (three yesterday).

We got to think this out. Pass, I trust you. mccollins. I trust you.

If you beleive one Raptor must be a wolf, then we vote clap. Or, if we beelvie that wolves dont have a role, then we vote ntn or KWhit or PB. Let's figure it out, and do it together.

Just read my pm. I am in a room where "something is wrong". There is a ledge here, and I have teh option to sit on teh ledge. Thoughts? Sit or no?

There must be a dynamic that is allowing both wolves to attack the same night, you're correct. That was Abe's original idea as I had figured we must have had a villager go rogue. Re-reading the rules, it says that the wolves alternate kills but now I'm not so sure about that.

okdood.. WTF

I R DRUNK
and i make more snese than u!

I met ABE..... i cant turn on him. since he seems to help ealier, but wow! WTF!

dont sit on th eldge!

Wait, you met me? In the maze? Just now? No you didn;t.

Abe, the two people that trusted me are both dead but I will follow you guys on this regardless of whether you trust me or not. If we're not sure or don't have a great read, the way things are going Pass' no lynch may not be awful as, I'm following Mccollins' advice, and bolting for the middle of the labyrinth (not that I wasn't in a hurry before but I'll take some chances).

As for the ledge, I have not encountered that yet Abe in anywhere I've been so either you're ahead of me (possible as you get extra moves) or in a different section. Two of the three "risks" I took, paid off well. The one risk I didn't take would've ended badly. It's up to you, how desperate are we?

Abe, is this an endgame move by the wolves?

Okay then I suspect its time to finally punch this ticket. We've been flirting with this vote for days. Let's just get it out of the way.

Vote ntndeacon

I would not be surprised if we were 4-3 commoners to wolves, considering the limitation of only being able to kill those near you.

Even with Claph voting for you?

I chose to climb up on the ledge, and the ground turned to quicksand, so I survived. Does a trap indicate I might be close to the center?

I hit a trap night 3 I think. Didn't Claph talk about quicksand somewhere earlier too?

Claphamsa is sure that all raptors are good, so I shouldnt have voted for Farrah. I don;t know how his pm reads, but mine says nothing about all Raptors being good. If his indicates it, or if he got additional instruction from the GM, or if he is just interpretating it differently than me, that's ok, I undersatnd his vote.

unvote ntndeacon

Given everything that you have said, if he's "certain all raptors are good" then why vote for you now? I'm switching but will re-evaluate in the morning when I'm less "reactionary"

vote claphamsa

Gah, sorry I forgot to unvote. Looks like it didn't matter anyway. I'm not too upset about losing Farrah, since she wasn't going to get to the center being inactive.

I'm interested to hear more of what clap has to say -- the way Abe turned on me has me wondering if clap is on to something. Abe and I were able to PM until 10:00, and after he got on my case in the afternoon, I don't think he sent me a single PM.

Maybe you guys should compare notes? PB, if you went one way, maybe Abe should go the other way?

My trap was different than his. Mine dropped from the ceiling and was a cage that had spinning blades coming down into it.

Hmm, good question actually. Clap?

yes I ran into quicksand.... I got stuck, so it doesnt mean you are near the middle (that i knwo of) I got the impression that all the raptors were goodk, but frankly ive been swayed byt he argument that that may not be so.

What in particular has swayed you?

I guess thinking on it. it doesnt seem logical that we have an instant group that we KNOW is good. that being said i was bitchign at jackyl about not having any idea about roles last night :)

I think the problem is that barking up this tree is more likely to get you lynched then Abe -- he has a lot more trust from the group as a whole right now. I've got my reasons to suspect Abe -- some in this thread, and some private -- but I'd like to hear more from you before I leave my little 'no lynch' hole again.

pretty much whenever I bark i get lynched :)

Im not sure at all. I just find it very very odd, that he didnt notice he had run into me. I mean i cant imagein jackyl telling me and not him.

Why the vote for Abe?

So because of that, you vote nightfall, which isn't even allowed?

There has to be more to this that you're not telling us. You already complained that you can't "turn on" Abe, but it seems like you wanted to. Was there some reason for that before he claimed not to have met you in the maze?

thats exactly why i voted nightfall :)

well.... I guess it comes down to a couple things....

1.he claims not to have met me, which makes no sense
2. I think its not unlikely that one of us is bad, and its not me, and farrah is dead
3. he was instrumental in voting off tyrinth
4. i am very confused now, i was sooo sure last night... now im just confused!

Why did #2 change so suddenly? You were pretty sure that all three velociraptors were good earlier -- I'll dig up the post.

And, isn't #3 a good thing?

yes, I guess i should have seperated 12 and 3 which leads to 4.

and i dont tink #2 changed sudenly... its been gradual,

Here it is -- post 1010.

If so, I think it's time to spill what made you think it then -- that will help us figure out where you're coming from.

ok, long story short, he never told me if i trusted himn or not, i took that as bad. jackyl has finanly sent the pm he was supposed to 12 hours ago! (mainly cuz i just asked) and abe is not evil.

My confusion grows and grows, im gonna go bang my head on my desk

although i wonder why abe said he didnt see me?

So you're saying you scanned Abe to find out whether he was good or not, and The Jackal didn't give you the reply until now?