tmi

There's nothing in there! Just air!

Grover... you've got so far to go my friend. :)

to filling my pants tent?

So star trek and tents is what we have today. Really? Rereading the thread... I'll post an updated list of reads soon.

You were the originator of both of those topics.

I didn't bring up redshirts buddy.... not did I mention anything about tents. We've had enough of both topics than you very much. ;)

Good to bad list...

Jackal (good tone, I don't think wolf jackal votes shoveler instead of brit at post #148 when he could just run up a supposed VV)
Shoveler (tone reads the same as what I have seen of good shoveler, I don't see a connection to others I read more evil so that moves him up a notch)
cheekimonk (still neutral here, not much activity or content, need to see more, his vote post felt like good cheeki)
Grover (I read him good early but then he is acting a lot like wolf grover with his late D1 vote of CR, not much content)
Autumn (again, read good early but not as active since before D1 LC, weird end of D1 with CR vote hanging, then points out mysfit but votes grover)
mysfit (chatty early D1, then was less active, D2 posts have been defensive and a bit all over the place)

Yeah I am the red shirt culprit

He just asked about it

You were the one who used the "2 of them..." comment I was quoting:


EDIT: closed quote tag

But given your comprehensive and complete reading of the rules you should have known, right?

You already bashed me once over the rules. Not sure why you held back the second time.

tim, my vote change was left on the fact that even if CR was lying about being the priest, we shouldn't lynch him just yet. So I wetnt to the other leading option at the time, brit.

Yeah, I knew...which is why I quoted you again showing you hadn't read the rules. Or, best case, your logic is very flawed ("the wolves are making their moves. Well, 2 of them..."...out of the 2 in the game?). You could have slipped up trying to emphasize you are a "us" and not a "them." Or you're the sorcerer, but there's not quite enough info for that specific of a read, IMO.

I read the rules

And what I can say with 100% certainty is that if you think I am a wolf, your reads suck

Of course you may already know I am a villager and you're just making a slipshod case against the noob

hmmmm


UNVOTE SHOVELER

VOTE AUTUMN

I know I am not a wolf (or sorcerer)

I'm pretty sure Grover is clean also

I believe at least 1 of Autumn/Shoveler is a wolf

Let's see how the wolfies try to play this....................

Concur this is official.

This is a tough set of rules, no doubt. JAG must be enjoying this slow torture. You are now the torture doctor buddy!

His name was eaglefan. ;)

Ok, so we are at 4:2:1 (good, wolf, sorc) right now. Assuming a N0 clear and a N1 wolf/not wolf we'd be at 2 goods (N0 clear and the seer) and a known 3rd (wolf/not wolf). But... assuming worst case the N0 was chief or brit and the N1 was not wolf (not necessarily good as it could be sorc) we could have only 1 full clear which is the seer and 1 not wolf vision.

I assume that the sorc will not announce until they hit the seer which gives us 1 more day for the seer to claim as they would have announced already, right? Once the seer claims then the sorc counterclaims as they are no longer useful and it creates FUD. Then it's a who do we believe situation.

Essentially the wolves have a 1 in 4 shot of hitting the seer tonight. Are we ok gambling on a 25% chance for another vision? Worst case we'd be at 2:2:1 tomorrow which would really suck if we have no information.

Would the wolves just claim and then hit a 3-2 vote for the lynch and a NK to win it? Sorc would just vote with the wolves, right? I think shoveler mentioned this before. I'd like to prevent this tragedy but it doesn't look promising right now. We must hit evil this lynch, right?

I think if we have the seer as a clear and 2 other living not wolf's then a claim may be worthwhile here. Obviously a wolf hit we would have heard by now, right?

The Sorc counts as village so no, we can still survive if we lynch a villager but that's leaving no margin for error

4(1):2

The sorcr counts as villager but doesn't win unless the wolves win

The wolves have a 1 in 5 shot at hitting the seer.

I have a question...in other games I have played, the player is aware when they are protected or scanned or whatever

Is that true here also?

I would doubt it. that would sort of undermine the no reveal premise if we knew that the seer/sorc was still alive because they scanned someone.

In other games here is it the norm?

I dont think so. We had one game recently where someone was informed they were protected at night, but I'm not aware of that being standard.

ok thanks

I've been trying to think about how we could use the vote count tonight to determine alignments, but I'm not seeing a reliable way. There are 5 uninformed people versus two informed wolves. So they only real way to know we are voting poorly is if someone ends up with 6 votes, which is unlikely to happen.

But otherwise, yes we need to hit an evil today, and mysfit is correct the wolves have a 1 in 5 shot of hitting the seer, but they also have a 1 in 5 shot of hitting the sorcerer with the night kill.

But we have the lynch so there will be 6 players at 10:01pm est. 2 of which are wolves. Thus 4 available for the NK, right? Then the NK and down to 5 in the morning. If the sorc is around it's goodbye forever.

It depends on the game. It's usually either spelled out in the rules or clarified once someone asks, or left unknown intentionally.

Yeah but as I was trying to allude to yesterday, since the sorc and the wolves don't know each other, either side would have to make an assumption/risk that they were all still alive. If there's five people left and the wolves hope the sorc is alive and reveal, but they are actually dead - they're boned. The sorc won't know if there's 1 or 2 wolves left, and would have to decide if revealing would help or hurt, because it would potentially narrow the voting field.

Thanks, this helps. This ruleset is "fun" that's for sure.

Looks like I need a little self defense. I feel better about Mysfit after today's posts. So to me the wolves are likely between Shoveler, Grover and Cheeki.

unvote
vote shoveler

mysfit feels off, but he could just be active and swinging wildly...hard to tell since he's new. But I do think Autumn/Shoveler are not aligned, so

unvote mysfit
vote Autumn

any reasoning?

timmae and cheeki both moved off me to Autumn

I had set up a 3 way tie to see how the votes would shift, wanting to see what Autumn would do specifically

But timmae moved off me first....either a really novice move or I don't know what

My thoughts are back on post 308. Basically I do not think that Autumns posts since early on D1 have been typical autumn. Granted I am basing this mainly as his role of seer last game but his tone/content is off. Not sure why. I'd love input of some vets around these parts (not many left in this game) as to how it compares to his standard play.

I also reread mysfit and I have a hunch that evil is lurking elsewhere. I was trying to place reads with my original assumption that she is evil but it wasn't adding up. I reread her as good and things clicked a little bit more. Not sure if that makes sense but there you go. I could be off the map on this but I'll reread later tonight and see where things end up.

If you don't know already... I am new around here (and to this game). Your schemes will not work on or around me. Sorry about that.

Alright, I've been debating this, but I think with no chance of role reveals on death and what I know, there's no point in trying to pull a late post and hope I don't get NK'ed. I don't think we can afford to not lynch a wolf today in the scheme of things, and if I push any harder I'll definitely be the NK target - but pretty sure Shoveler already figured me out.

I'm the seer - my N0 scan was brit, which means he's not a wolf (but still could have been the sorceror, though I doubt it, based on the way he played). I was pretty clear in my intent not to vote brit, which I generally wouldn't be on a D1 with no knowledge.

I was initially choosing between Autumn/CR to scan, but then guessed they'd be likely NK candidates. Once CR revealed, there was no point scanning him anyways, since his allegiance would be revealed pretty soon after.

And so, on a hunch, I went with Shoveler. And he's a wolf.

Autumn or Shoveler...I could go either way with the info so far (which is almost zilch this game).

You guys can debate if it was the right call to reveal, but I wanted to make sure we got this lynch right

And, I think we've gotten to see a fair bit of voting info from the way it shook out with Shoveler on the block.

This morning I had Grover in as my scan, but switched to Autumn. However I'm thinking it likely now that the other wolf is someone currently voting for Autumn.

Well,

Shoveler is the default lynch as the vote now stands

for whatever that's worth

Yeah, another reason I voted right away, just in case there ended up being a tie.

Assuming that, which I am not convinced btw, I'd say cheekimonk

He and timmae moved fairly quickly off me

There's certainly the chance that the wolves believed strongly that I was the seer early on today and expected I might have scanned Shoveler, and setup say Grover to vote him so that he'd draw less attention if I did reveal. Has to be considered, but it's the more unlikely scenario.

Not gonna happen, Jackal, and I'm not sure why you pull that right now. I'm the seer and Shoveler was my N0 clear (could be sorcerer, but absolutely no wolf). timmae was my N1 scan and clear as well. Going after Shoveler was a bad choice.

unvote Autumn
vote Jackal

Let me lay out the only plausible situation where I'm lying, that I can think of, before the wolves come around to it:

It'd be if I was the sorceror and scanned shoveler as the seer. But that play only really makes sense if Shoveler didn't have any heat. Heck, he might have been lynched anyways today even if I hadn't revealed. Hopefully you guys can see that it doesn't make sense, either.

unvote autumn
vote shoveler

I don't mind the reveal. I was surprised we didn't have it sooner with the wolf hit but I understand the delay. Jackal would have been on my NK shortlist if I was a wolf. I guess Jackal will be singing "I'm dying tomorrow".

hah, well, cheeki is either the other wolf or the sorceror. I'd guess the sorceror

thanks for clearing that up, cheek

hot damn... now we have action.

unvote shoveler

Because there's no plausible situation in which your reveal makes sense after mine unless you are the sorceror. Why would I do that with no pressure on me? If I was the sorceror, the only explanation would be that I was trying to get the seer lynched, but in your scenario, you are the seer. Nice try.

I need to commute home and my wife has a physical therapy apt for her surgery tomorrow so I won't be home until shortly before lynch. I'll try to log on while she is at PT but I am not sure. You lying bastages!!

I respect wanting to think things out, but if Shoveler doesn't get lynched tonight I'm going to be super disappointed.

Hints fellas? Post numbers please..

I'm going to be super disappointed if I get lynched. I am not a wolf, so you cannot be the seer.

I mentioned the seer a few times, trying to sound villagery, since I didn't want to be a N1 target. CR saved me from that, anyhow.

Post 122 is where I say that if it's between Brit and CR, I'm going CR. But that doesn't really do anything for me, since I'm the only one that knows he was actually not a wolf.

And I mean, my vote right after the night results were run should be pretty telling, as well.

Assuming we believe you. Your bad luck I rolled Shoveler for my N0 clear. With Shoveler clear I can only guess you're protecting Autumn. If we buy your claim on Shoveler, it's game over for the village tonight with a mislynch AND Jackal being either wolf or sorcerer.

So you are positing that I'm a wolf partner of Autumn, and decided to put my neck on the line to save him? Again, not plausible.

Why would you say something like this if you knew Shoveler was good?

All implausible. Thank you for outing yourself. Let's lynch Shoveler and move on.

Its more likely that you are the sorcerer and realize we are narrowing down the good reads. Therefore you want to promote a mislynch and win with evil tomorrow.

Well, just as votes start moving to Autumn you spring a false claim on Shoveler. But you're right, what do we know 100% about Autumn? I wasn't going to reveal so early and I was swinging votes off Shoveler best I could. I would rather we go with the surefire baddie which is you.

Shoveler is NOT wolf, folks. You lynch him we lose. Jackal is definitely scum and you need to get on him now because I won't have a chance tomorrow.

Explained above. I wasn't going to reveal at this point and was moving the momentum to Autumn. You made it an all or nothing scenario. I'd rather see a move to you now, but everyone needs to absolutely move off Shoveler.

Yeah

not really feeling it that you actually cleared Shoveler here

If you are the seer and you had that info you SHOULD have started trying to steer the group here

Now maybe the wolves are Jackal and Autumn

But I don't think so. You moved off voting for me way too easily. Then you HAPPEN to be able to EXACTLY counter Jackal's claim AFTER you posted something which in essence was contradictory to your claim of Shoveler being cleared?

Your evidence for voting on me was thin at best. Even less evidence to move off me.

Maybe Jackal is lying, but I really don't believe you at this point, too many inconsistencies and bad vibes

The vote was tied and Shoveler was up for the lynch. In fact Shoveler was trying to clear himself and Autumn.

Unfortunately, votes were staying on Shoveler so I had to get them off him without revealing myself. But you'll notice I said "info" in my post. I was hoping some could see that AND that I went Autumn. It wasn't ideal and I had other cards to play tonight if needed. Thanks to Jackal, they aren't.

Knowing that I'm good and was a strong lynch possibility, no way a wolf Jackal fakes a claim there instead of just pushing the vote to me. So i am absolutely sure Jackal's hte real deal. cheeki pushing shoveler just before clearing him doesn't ring true.

vote shoveler

rather

unvote
vote shoveler

I did notice that

However you have done NOTHING to inspire confidence in me towards you

Why did you wait for my moves before trying to get people off Shoveler?

You make no sense.

Jackal and Autumn

or

Shoveler and Cheekimonk

Well I cant guarantee that I will be available here once my wife gets home. Same deal as last night unfortunately. But I think I've said what I need to.

Jackal is most likely the sorcerer, lynching me drops the total to 5 players with 3 evils. I assume he has revealed himself now to prevent getting accidently night killed by the wolves.

What better way to signal you are the sorcerer are than to call out a wolf that isn't a wolf.

Do what you must.. This game is difficult without the reveal, so you'll have to do what your instincts feel is best.

But you should either lynch me, or lynch jackal.. the voting should give you a roadmap going forward if this doesn't end the game tonight.

I'm sorry for the difficulties you and your wife are having :(

Looking at all of the evidence before us, I think it is likely that the wolf team is Shoveler-Cheeki.

With so few players in this game, the margin of error for swinging votes is small. Your actions are magnified and I have no way of predicting you at all. But things were getting uncomfortable for me around Shoveler knowing he's village.

It wouldn't be the first time I've been fooled if I am wrong but I just can't trust cheeki at this point.

I'm a little suspicious of the timing of Jackal's reveal but...

Just not enough people to swing here. The game will be over tonight, anyway.

Convince me, cheek.

I was going to wait to clear things up so the game wouldn't get boring but I don't want to risk a mislynch.

I am The Priest. The real priest. If you look back at my first post after game started it startd with the word "God" as a hint.

Because of this I know that Chief was a bad guy, and clearly he was the Sorceror since the wolves took him out for us. I also checked Brit when he was lynched and he was a vanilla villager, so Jackal's story holds up.

Since I know at least two of the people up for lynch when jackal revealed were villagers, I know ther'es no reason a wolf would make that fake claim. Jackal's clearly our real seer, and so Shoveler and Cheeki are the bad guys. Case closed, sorry guys.

Well I did not see that coming, awesome.

You can quote me on this, you are going to be very disappointed when you lynch me.