ok, this F'n sucks, but its Werewolf first and the amazing race second, and if it were the other way around, i would expect the same result

MartinD wanted to let me know that he is Russell, but in doing so, also told me he is a wolf....i wasnt going to out him because hes my partner, but any wolf worth his salt will kill me tonight to protect martin (who i dont event think knows because of what time i was able to read his PM)

the wolves were warned to be careful

we will likely not be getting along the rest of the race after this

unvote NTN
vote MartinD

The only role he is hinting at is seer. There are only three villager roles.

Unvote Crimson
Vote MartinD

Wow,

unvote jAG
vote martinD

Exactly Danny

1) If he's lying the real seer would automatically know
2) You're unvoting him because he might be the seer but you hope the real seer scans him tonight? How can you possibly explain that reasoning?

Wait, although Russell could be a villlager

Saldana, did he send you a message by mistake or did he just openly tell you he was Russell?

I unvoted him because he hinted he had a role, not because I thought he was the seer.

Going back I see there was a second post that you guys must be referring to, suggesting he was the seer. I only noticed his first post, where he said he would reveal his role in a half an hour.

yeah there were a few roles which could either be village or wolf (martin D)

And he is hinting at seer, not BG or something (Mauboy)

Oh, yes, there was more. Mauboy is either the seer or a wolf

I'm confused as hell as to what just happened.. Who is Russell? ANd he literally told you he's a wolf? That would make things easier, I suppose.

Saldana needs to clear this up. Russell could be a villager, so if that's all he told ntn and it was on purpose then it doesn't mean he is a wolf.

Errr told Saldana

I really don't understand why votes are sticking on Mauboy. It's not worth the risk even though he may be a wolf.

Saldana?

UNVOTE MAUBOY1
VOTE MARTIND

Clarify please?

he forwarded me the pm that told him he was russell that stated in 100% fact that he is a wolf

also, i checked with EF about what to do before i posted this, so please dont think i am blowing up the game on a meta...i was prepared to quit, but eagle told me this was fair game.

well I'm not sure about mauboy yet but it's better safe then sorry.

Unvote Mauboy

Vote MartinD

Well that seals it then

Many thanks to cougarfreak for our amazing team name.

All this werewolf talk is interfering with the race! ;)

It should also be noted MartinD was vote #3 on Mauboy.

clarify what.

i just handed you my partner as a wolf...there is absolutely no chance he isnt, unless i am the dumbest player ever, because why would i turn in my own partner unless he is going to come up furry...if he isnt a wolf, im dead tomorrow by lynch...since he is a wolf, im dead tomorrow because i just cost them a player...either way i am dead tomorrow.

unvote mauboy
vote martind

i cant believe people arent switching off...this is amazing

Danny isn't here mentally so that sort of counts as switching off

unvote crimson
martind

He LITERALLY told you that he's a wolf? From your post I gathered that he told you he is Russell and you just assume that means wolf? But this is the obvious vote regardless.

There is really no point of switching. MartinD's fate is sealed.

he is a wolf.
period.

wolf

got it yet.

wolf

Zinto and Pass are on the geriatric team?

But why wouldn't you have switched at some point during all this?

So he's a badger?

Darn Minnesotan

Woohoo, stopped it with my lef! Knew that would come in handy when I packed it. :p

I have only been a part of a few WW games and read a few.. and this seems to be the absolute wackiest first day I have ever seen.

I voted Jag, ntn, crimson and martinD. 4 players down, 19 to go lol

Ulcer growing...:)

Are you nervous being next to the greatness that is Darth vilus?

I really need to watch Amazing Race sometime.

Do I even need to recalculate the votes?

That is crap! I have never seen a first leg be non elimination.

What do we win?

Well, at least we beat the old farts

What BS, the first leg is non-elimination? That's preferential treatment for the old guys!

Flyers tickets?

sweet, not a bad day 1!

well, it seemed like it was gonna be fun, but i cant imagine living through the night

Will announce leg two shortly.

Just a reminder that you aren't supposed to delete posts

why are you so sure you will be killed? We have a seer who has outed himself unless he is lying.

did we get a BG block?

YEah, danny says it was a good day but I am in total disagreement of that. Someone either body guarded me or just flat out didn't night kill me. Wonder who got the BG.

And if that is it for the night 1, then great job to the BG!

And I'm off to bed.

It would be a pretty above the rim move by Saldana if he was a wolf

OK, so here it is.

I'm the BG and I protected myself. I told Jackal I was the BG and I find it hard to believe it is a coincidence I was what would be a very random N1 target.

I think Mau is likely a wolf as well and tried a fake reveal. They do that and hope I switch to protect him based on his reveal, and when that happens they kill me, which they tried. Otherwise, why not kill Mau? Even if it takes 2 nights to do it that is a worthy trade. I think they saw a chance to take out the BG and went for it.

I have no problem revealing this now since I am dead tomorrow night regardless since I pretty strongly believe Jackal is a wolf.

A much less likely scenario is Sal is a wolf and outing MartinD hoping I will then protect Sal because of his assertion he is dead. Either way I find it very hard to believe I was a random D1 night kill target given Maus reveal.

Man, so much for trying to provide interesting detail -- that sucked. We'll make it up tomo, Zinto!

Weird Day 1, I'll look at it more tomorrow.

Was out for awhile there, so sorry I wasn't around to move vote from NTN over to the revealed wolf.

Sounds like a good day of werewolf and a decent day of racing for the favorite team of every male viewer (3rd place for us chicks).

wow, ok. I'm inclined to believe Lathum since i can't really see the upside of his strategy if he's a wolf. if we listen to him and kill jackal then we'd obviously kill him the next day so that's not a huge advantage for the wolves. it would by them an extra day at best

You provided very interesting detail, I actually should have worked it more into the write up but was tight on time trying to get it all together.

But hitchiking? :)

I wouldn't go that far. Option C is I was indeed a very random N1 target, but I doubt it.

My head is spinning at the moment (have been fighting off what feels like migraine). Going to log for the night. I'll check back in tomorrow morning.

Yeah, sorry I didn't get my vote off Mau in time, had some work stuff to clear up. Good first day and a good result.

Very weird first day, I see some pretty clear scenarios forming based on Lathum's reveal and the lack of a night kill but I'll let some more experienced players draw some conclusions first. Lots to talk about.

EF - I assume that given these revelations it's perfectly OK to discuss the race and the werewolf part of your game via PM with your partner?

But what are the odds that out of 20 people we'll lynch the seer.

and what are the odds that out of 14-15 people the wolves wuld hit the bodyguard?

And out of 20 people what are the odds that the bodyguard would protect the same person that the wolves would try to kill?

Not very high.

That's alot for me to swallow

I almost switched off myself and onto Sal or Mau, glad I didn't.

The only thing I can think of is it's a crazy suicide play by the wolves. If Jackal is a wolf and get's lynched tonight, we think Lathum is BG and Mauboy is seer, they are the two most trusted players in the game and they are making it to the end. The real seer and BG wouldn't necessarily want to speak up as they'd instantly make themselves targets.

I have no idea if this makes sense or is remotely realistic. Just putting thoughts out there.

That is why I revealed. I'm just saying, if Jackal is a villager that doesn't mean I am a wolf.

At some point those truths would come out, either by them revealing or by them being night killed. In a 20 person game there really would be no point to making that move.

Mau revealing as seer makes perfect sense, because he has nothing to lose.

I will also say keep thinking and throwing out scenarios, I love the fact that your wheels are turning!

no im not saying you're a wolf but let's say jackal is. with a seer reveal you would most likely protect them right? so you would protect them and they would kill you, with you dead we would never have known that you told jackal anything. there wouldn't be any suspicion on him at all if their kill had succeeded.

The most likely scenario is that Jackal is a wolf, so my vote will stay there.

Vote Jackal

Probably the best we'll have to go on today, may as well get the vote in early.

exactly.

I would be absolutely floored if Jackal wasn't a wolf.

Hopefully mauboy will come back with his scan target. He'll also get in a minimum of one other scan before being killed.

Honestly I think we have the wolves by the huevos rancheros

So why would the wolves try and take out the BG before the seer? Is that standard game play?

Oh and why not. Based on the info we have right now

Vote Jackal

Either mauboy is a wolf or they knew mauboy was the seer and figured he had to be protected.

I can also see mauboy's play as an attempt to draw the seer out, along with being a last ditch effort to save himself. When he did it he looked like a sure bet to get lynched, and unless I missed something he was vague enough that if the seer did come forward he could try to argue he was claiming a role though he never said it was seer.

No they'll try to kill whatever role they can. They just assumed the BG would protect the seer, if they tried to kill the seer tonight it wouldn't have worked.

No it isn't, which is why I think they went for me. I think they knew I was the BG and assumed I would protect Mau based on his reveal, which is why they went for me.

I was worried Jackal may be a wolf and that exact scenario would happen, which is why I left the protection order on me.

what the hell lathum!

i honestly don't have time to go into this right now, just got back from my birthday celebrations, which is also why i wasn't involved in vote switching, but i fail to see how this means i'm a wolf

i'm shocked and appalled that you automatically assume i'm a wolf because you were targeted when we specifically discussed that you were a likely N1 target and that's why it was great that you are the bodyguard..

you better have a damned good explanation as to why this means i'm a wolf.. this is bull, we have a great day one when i'm doing both competitions and this is what i get?!

i'll be back around tomorrow.. i'm as vanilla as it gets, but lathum better believe he's not going to win the race after this crap