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JetsIn06 12-19-2013 05:22 PM

Goalkeeper just scored a goal from across the pitch.


DaddyTorgo 12-19-2013 06:42 PM

That looks some sort of pre-patch buggyness. Yikes...love it!!!

bhlloy 12-19-2013 08:04 PM

Eh, in the rain that's happened IRL more than a few times. If it's happening to you on a regular basis it might be a bug, but not out of the question.

DaddyTorgo 12-19-2013 08:04 PM

I'm having a bitch of a time with cloudsync lately.

Flasch186 12-19-2013 08:21 PM

I could see that happening. Its wet out, Keeper misjudges flight and then hears the footsteps of the attacking forward trying to win the ball too. Takes a bounce and he just isnt in the right position...

JetsIn06 12-19-2013 09:06 PM

Just throwing it out there that I wasn't posting it because I thought it was a bug. I'm posting it because I thought it was awesome! I'm in year three of this save with Stirling Albion in Scotland. Some weird promotion/relegation thing going on in this league, still haven't wrapped my head around it, unless I'm totally misinterpreting things. But, I my first year I was in a playoff for a promotion with a team in the league above me? I lost, and I didn't move up obviously. In season two I won the league outright and got promoted. Now, I'm in my third season, two points out in the bottom position with four games to play....really, really don't wanna go back down.

DaddyTorgo 12-19-2013 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2884950)
Just throwing it out there that I wasn't posting in because I thought it was a bug. I'm posting it because I thought it was awesome!


Hehe yeah - beats my Suarez goal for craziness.

JetsIn06 12-19-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 2884936)
Eh, in the rain that's happened IRL more than a few times. If it's happening to you on a regular basis it might be a bug, but not out of the question.


Yea, never seen that in many, many, many games watched. Don't think it's a bug...just a freak thing that was really cool to see.

JetsIn06 12-19-2013 09:23 PM

Well, two points back with three to play now, in last place. Tried to talk to my squad and they didn't even respond! :( I don't see this ending well.

WSUCougar 12-19-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 2884554)
When does the steam sale start again??? I am so ready to buy this when the sale is on... Just got a new laptop and I am looking forward to diving into FM again!


$37.49 now on Steam

JetsIn06 12-19-2013 10:41 PM

Wow. So, in Scotland, there's a playoff sort of thing for relegation. Bottom team goes down, next worst team plays in a playoff against the bottom promotion playoff team from the league below in a two leg match.

Last game of the season, we beat the top team to avoid the bottom spot by one point.

We were away first in the playoff, and lost 3-0, and I thought all of the hard work trying to stay up was all for naught. But in the home leg, we went up 3-0 in the first 24 minutes, then scored again right before the half and held it for the rest of the game, and we stay up for another year!

Edit: Whoops. Spoke too soon. Looks like we have to play another of the teams below us, as they have three playoff spots. Very weird. Need to read up about this system.

Balldog 12-19-2013 10:56 PM

Scotland is pretty unique, I had a career there on FM12 before my laptop took a crap. Probably the most fun I've had with FM. I really liked playing all 9 teams 4 times in the lower leagues. That really helped me create what I felt were rivalry games. And the promotion/relegation playoff is a nice touch.

JetsIn06 12-19-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balldog (Post 2884993)
Scotland is pretty unique, I had a career there on FM12 before my laptop took a crap. Probably the most fun I've had with FM. I really liked playing all 9 teams 4 times in the lower leagues. That really helped me create what I felt were rivalry games. And the promotion/relegation playoff is a nice touch.


Yea, it's pretty neat, and I do like that there's only 10 teams. We ended up winning in the second playoff and stay in League 1 for another year, though I might attempt to get a new job moving up a bit.

flere-imsaho 12-20-2013 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2884901)
Goalkeeper just scored a goal from across the pitch.


It's amazing how similar that goal looks to this one, scored by a goalie in the EPL this season: No Cookies | Fox Sports News, Live Sport, Sports | Fox Sports

DaddyTorgo 12-20-2013 02:58 PM

Can I turn down $50m (including 40% of next transfer fee) for Iker Munian as Bilbao?

He's pretty key to my tactic, but $50m is a fuckton of cash.

But I'm not hurting for money.

DaddyTorgo 12-20-2013 03:03 PM

Boom. Solution.

Sell Munian for an initial $43m. (That 40% will hopefully be huge in the future).

Buy Griezman from Real Madrid for $29.5m.

Profit.

Tim Tellean 12-24-2013 08:38 PM

50% off for 2 days
 
I just got an email that FM 14 is 50% off on Christmas and Boxing day, goto sortitoutsi.net to buy it.

bhlloy 12-24-2013 09:05 PM

17 pounds 50 which is a decent discount for us US folks but I'm wondering if we'll see the same 50% off deal in dollars at any point?

ColtCrazy 12-24-2013 09:54 PM

Finally bought the game and started my job at Crystal Palace. It's Christmas and my Eagles are holding at 15th. I was on the verge of getting fired when I managed to snag two victories to go from 19th to 15th. Bowed out of the Capital One Cup in my first game, but have made lucky draws in the FA Cup to get to the 6th round where it's likely to end as I have to travel to Old Trafford.

Absolutely love the media interaction. Harry Rednapp and I have had a back and forth in the media. He does not like me much. He likes me ever less after we knocked Newcastle out of the FA Cup 1-0 at Selhurst.

cougarfreak 12-24-2013 10:49 PM

Any problems for those of us in the US using sortitoutsi as a way to purchase?

MrBug708 12-24-2013 10:56 PM

Bought and loading up. Gotta get use if CP in the BPL

whomario 12-25-2013 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougarfreak (Post 2886561)
Any problems for those of us in the US using sortitoutsi as a way to purchase?


curious about how buying on that page works as well (Germany is blocked from getting the game)

other than that i was waiting on steam to have it 50% off and for one with access gifting it to me while i pay him with paypal like last year :)

cougarfreak 12-25-2013 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougarfreak (Post 2886561)
Any problems for those of us in the US using sortitoutsi as a way to purchase?


Anyone? I'm still wondering.......I see they accept American Express, so I think it will be ok. But I wonder how patches, etc. work......

Tim Tellean 12-25-2013 07:50 AM

Its no problem for me in the States. I paid and received an email with code and instructions on downloading from Steam.
With the exchange rate I paid $23.97 (less than half the $49.95 retail).

cougarfreak 12-25-2013 11:19 AM

I can't even get sortitoutsi.net to work on my MacBook or iPad. But it come up on my iPhone? Weird.

GrantDawg 12-25-2013 12:34 PM

Steam has at 24.99 right now.

MrBug708 12-25-2013 12:56 PM

Should have waited from last night

cougarfreak 12-25-2013 03:56 PM

My god, I remember why I stopped using steam. My one and only purchase in the system is FM 2010. I can't get checked out with the FM 2014 deal, is this still normal? Driving me freaking batty.

Shepp 12-25-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougarfreak (Post 2886660)
My god, I remember why I stopped using steam. My one and only purchase in the system is FM 2010. I can't get checked out with the FM 2014 deal, is this still normal? Driving me freaking batty.


Are you purchasing the game through Steam or did you get a code from Sortitoutsi?

cougarfreak 12-25-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepp (Post 2886682)
Are you purchasing the game through Steam or did you get a code from Sortitoutsi?


I'm trying through Steam. It makes it into my cart, but when I go and check out, it keeps timing me out. Seems as though others are having Steam issues today.

Grim.Reaper 12-26-2013 06:01 AM

Greenmangaming has it for $20 if you use this code. You get a steam code for it.

Code GMG20-ZB5D1-93X49

http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/e...-manager-2014/

SackAttack 12-26-2013 11:13 AM

Thanks for the heads up, Grim. I was holding out for a $20 or less price point. Didn't expect to get it this soon.

Grim.Reaper 12-26-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 2886824)
Thanks for the heads up, Grim. I was holding out for a $20 or less price point. Didn't expect to get it this soon.


No problem at all, I picked it up too...

SirFozzie 12-28-2013 02:51 AM

if you want a challenge outside the ordinary, download and install this modpack

Megapack 35 updates by claassen

It adds 35 nations from all over the world to the game, greatly expanding the world outside of the FM-standard leagues. Yes, you can play in Iran, Honduras (where I'm playing right now), or even San Marino!

How bad is the San Marinese league? Let's put it this way, the best team in the nation plays in Italy's Third Division (Serie C1)

If that's not tiny enough, they even have the Gibraltar and the New Caledonia league on it.

It's a lot of fun

cougarfreak 12-28-2013 09:01 AM

When you are modding logos, do the actual logos go into the graphics/logos folder, or do I need to make a subfolder for each league? I'm having the damnedest time getting logos to show up.

Alan T 12-28-2013 08:38 PM

Szczesny with the penalty kick winner for me to win the capital one cup over Man U

heh, pretty funny :)

SirFozzie 12-28-2013 09:42 PM

Since SackAttack has a bunch of time off over the upcoming weeks, we decided to do a two player game.

Thoughts about a half hour in (we're playing my American Premier League mod, to use USA teams with out MLS's many and varied WTF rules)

A) Sooooooo much easier to do this in FM14 instead of 13. Doing it through steam means we don't have to do VPN/Port Shenanigans to play

B ) I made an inquiry into one of his players. SA wanted $200 Million for him... then he inquired about one of my players.

C) Sack doesn't take no guff, one of his players had a transfer offer rejected, the agent wanted a new contract, and then wanted double the amount he wanted to pay.. when the player came whining to him about it, not only did Sack tell him to ahem, "Sack up", he also convinced the player to fire his agent.

bhlloy 12-30-2013 02:12 AM

Not loving the integration with Steam Workshop so far, seems very hacked on. Been trying to get some logo sets through there this evening and on my third try, this time made it through the loading screen and it's just hanging on processing, there's also no way to cancel this process so have to ctrl+alt+delete it

I know, I can go elsewhere and it's pretty easy to get mods into the game outside of Steam, but why have the functionality if it doesn't work well? Why is this more difficult than subscribing to the item in Steam and having it in my game the next time I start up, like every other Steam game out there?

Easy Mac 12-30-2013 11:42 AM

It was very quick when I downloaded some logo sets.

I was trying to edit the USA leagues structure. It appears that SI hard coded the PDL as the second tier league, so getting the USA league structure accurate and playable while keeping MLS as is doesn't appear to be in the cards. I've been able to add the PDL, USL and NASL as playable and haven't had problems yet. I still have to dig down and make sure they mirror the actual way the leagues run. I also still have to activate some of the regional leagues that are in there.

I'm also tempted to do a college mod, but I don't know that I'd be able to figure out how to do an end of the year tournament.

ColtCrazy 12-30-2013 03:04 PM

Anyone come up with some useful tactics? I managed to scrape out a 10th place finish with Crystal Palace in year one. Got some money to spend and the core from last year's team is intact so I making a push, but my tactics seem all over the place. Within weeks of each other I managed to beat Man City 2-0 but lose to 19th Aston Villa 1-2. I'm using a 4-5-1 at the moment but still struggle in possession (despite my MF being the strongest part of my team).

sovereignstar v2 12-30-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 2888023)
I was trying to edit the USA leagues structure. It appears that SI hard coded the PDL as the second tier league, so getting the USA league structure accurate and playable while keeping MLS as is doesn't appear to be in the cards. I've been able to add the PDL, USL and NASL as playable and haven't had problems yet. I still have to dig down and make sure they mirror the actual way the leagues run. I also still have to activate some of the regional leagues that are in there.


Yeah, the editor changes that were announced before release that some of us got excited about appear to be a bit of a farce.

vex 01-01-2014 02:09 AM

Just had one of my craziest FM games ever.

We were down 0-2 at half. In the 48th minute while still down 0-2, one of my defenders decides to get a red card for sliding in with two feet. A different defender of mine isn't happy about this apparently and picks up his second yellow card. Somehow, we came back to win 4-3. We'll be petitioning to play with 9 from now on.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-01-2014 12:45 PM

I'm getting a little peeved at the game at this point. Really struggling to know what I need to do in some situations. The in-game feedback is great, but I have little idea what to do with it at times. For example, I keep getting a message that I'm getting over run in the midfield. With no instructions option for what to do, I'm left clueless as to what to do with it.

Also, the management appears to have little patience anymore to allow a rebuild of a team. I like to go into a team and build a new youth foundation in a program to allow me to succeed. Through my first three play-throughs, I've been fired after six months, one year, and 18 months respectively. I understand that the team is struggling at some level, but seems like I can't find any chance to build the team.

Really frustrating as I'm a huge fan of the game, but it seems like it's changed quite a bit from the game I played 700 hours (FM 12).

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-01-2014 03:51 PM

dola

Just bested all my previous efforts. Fired in two months this time. :(

DaddyTorgo 01-01-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2888601)
I'm getting a little peeved at the game at this point. Really struggling to know what I need to do in some situations. The in-game feedback is great, but I have little idea what to do with it at times. For example, I keep getting a message that I'm getting over run in the midfield. With no instructions option for what to do, I'm left clueless as to what to do with it.

Also, the management appears to have little patience anymore to allow a rebuild of a team. I like to go into a team and build a new youth foundation in a program to allow me to succeed. Through my first three play-throughs, I've been fired after six months, one year, and 18 months respectively. I understand that the team is struggling at some level, but seems like I can't find any chance to build the team.

Really frustrating as I'm a huge fan of the game, but it seems like it's changed quite a bit from the game I played 700 hours (FM 12).


1. in game advice typically comes with an "apply" button that will attempt to "fix" the situation for you. If you're being overrun in midfield you need to either commit more players to midfield to try to win the ball back, or else switch to a long-ball style and ignore the midfield (depending on your team and your tactic).

2. As far as building a new youth foundation - that should be a choice of the "philosophy" that you can pitch to the board when you're first hired. If the board is not onboard (no pun intended) with that philosophy though then you're not going to be given the leeway to get it done and you'll have to look for another job (realistic).

So you need to find a club that's willing to not be in "win now" mode.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-01-2014 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2888672)
1. in game advice typically comes with an "apply" button that will attempt to "fix" the situation for you. If you're being overrun in midfield you need to either commit more players to midfield to try to win the ball back, or else switch to a long-ball style and ignore the midfield (depending on your team and your tactic).


I've learned the game from FM, so I think I'm missing something here. When you say 'commit more players', do you mean switching from 3 to 4+ midfielders or is there something else you mean. Generally, I've always used the preset formations, so I don't know a ton about the intricate strategies within each formation.

Thanks for the assist. :)

DaddyTorgo 01-01-2014 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2888677)
I've learned the game from FM, so I think I'm missing something here. When you say 'commit more players', do you mean switching from 3 to 4+ midfielders or is there something else you mean. Generally, I've always used the preset formations, so I don't know a ton about the intricate strategies within each formation.

Thanks for the assist. :)


No prob - happy to help. Sorry I had stepped out for a few hours.

Yes - either switch from 3 midfielders to 4, or else look at your midfielders instructions/mentality. Are they all set to "attacking" so they're rushing out of midfield too quickly and don't have the stamina or the discipline to get back on defense when the ball gets turned over?

It's something that could be fixed any of a number of different ways really - depending on your goals for the match, your formation, the players you have on the field, etc. I don't recall when it says "you're getting overrun" specifically if it offers an automatic fix type button to click...

flere-imsaho 01-02-2014 08:37 AM

For those struggling with tactics, I actually recommend browsing the Tactics & Training subforum on the official forums. Now, normally the SI forums are terrible, but the T&T subforum has been excellent with this version. As always, read through the stickies first.

DaddyTorgo 01-02-2014 08:43 AM

Good call flere.

Balldog 01-02-2014 12:14 PM

I'm not overly deep with soccer tactic knowledge. With this version I have found that I need to actually watch the games unfold and tweak my tactic.

dolfin 01-02-2014 08:43 PM

There's a Pairs and Combinations sticky in the Tactics forum that flere pointed out that really helped me out a lot.

MrBug708 01-02-2014 08:51 PM

I really hate the "so-so returns to his old grounds, how do you feel about it" question, every time. He was there 10 years ago for half a season and this is the 20th time you've asked that question

Grover 01-02-2014 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2889061)
I really hate the "so-so returns to his old grounds, how do you feel about it" question, every time. He was there 10 years ago for half a season and this is the 20th time you've asked that question


Hopefully they remember him for all he did for those six months 15 years ago.

SirFozzie 01-07-2014 03:27 PM

So, for the ones amongst us who wanted to play FM14 (ok and all those other Steam games) on a big screen TV, the "Steam Consoles" (well, at least 13 of the 14 different ones) had their specs announced at CES

Valve Unveils 13 Steam Machines, With Specs And Prices

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-07-2014 03:51 PM

So if I get fired early on (which I seem to be doing a fantastic job of thus far in this version), what options are there to get rehired? Do I need to open up some other leagues in the nether regions of the world to get restarted? Hell, I had a 45% win percentage (Regional status) in roughly a season and a half with my first team before being fired. Then I start looking for jobs and all these teams are hiring people with even less experience than me and worse winning percentages. Is it me or is there still some work to do in regards to career employment on this game?

DaddyTorgo 01-07-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891317)
So if I get fired early on (which I seem to be doing a fantastic job of thus far in this version), what options are there to get rehired? Do I need to open up some other leagues in the nether regions of the world to get restarted? Hell, I had a 45% win percentage (Regional status) in roughly a season and a half with my first team before being fired. Then I start looking for jobs and all these teams are hiring people with even less experience than me and worse winning percentages. Is it me or is there still some work to do in regards to career employment on this game?


I'm not sure how you keep getting fired so easily.

Flasch186 01-07-2014 04:58 PM

Its mbbf... I kid ;-)

flere-imsaho 01-08-2014 08:18 PM

MBBF - it can take some time, and it can definitely seem like lesser managers than you are being hired, but the hiring process isn't meant to be necessarily logical (as in real life). Keep at it, keep applying to stuff, and you'll get a new job.

MrBug708 01-08-2014 08:41 PM

You'll always get a job at the lowest level of leagues you have selected. IE - If you just play with English Premier League, you'll always get hired at one of the jobs, the lesser teams at least

SirFozzie 01-08-2014 09:19 PM

Porto has reached George Steinbrenner levels of having a revolving door:

(Game starts in July of 2013)
12/7/13: Sacked Ricardo Silva.
12/11/13: Hired Leandro Vega
9/19/14: Sacked Leandro Vega
9/25/14: Hired Jose Alves
2/27/15, Sacked Jose Alves.

I wasn't asked about it (I manage Benfica),, but I would have commented that the next manager should just install a revolving door on the manager's office... either that or put in a delicatessen style counter in. "Now hiring manager XX" :)

edit: oh, and this is great, the person who spoke up saying "Sure, gimme the job!" the next day had this story: "According to the Portugal Football Gazette, a spokesperson for an independent supporters' club stated his belief that the majority of Maritimo fans would be happy to see current manager Marco Silva leave the club. The spokesperson went on to state that if other clubs such as Porto wanted Silvea then they could gladly have him."

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2891691)
You'll always get a job at the lowest level of leagues you have selected. IE - If you just play with English Premier League, you'll always get hired at one of the jobs, the lesser teams at least


Just as an example, I started in Skyrill North on one of the better teams in that league. Was fired after 18 months. Have run through nearly a year of the game unemployed and have applied to 10 of the teams in the North/South (same league I was pretty successful in despite being fired). No hires at all.

I'm going to start again and give it another try in that league. We'll see how I do. I've never started above the lowest league in any other version of this game and I'm not about to stop now! Plus, everyone else can feel good about their success while watching me struggle. :)

dolfin 01-09-2014 10:15 AM

I had something somewhat similar. I didn't even last 4 months in my job in the Skrill South, but I ended up getting hired by another Skrill South club in July of the next year, which was about 8 months unemployed.

If anyone's interested, though I struggled in the beginning of the season, I've finally started to make some sense of tactics and my Margate squad is finally beginning to play some decent football!

Alan T 01-09-2014 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891813)
Just as an example, I started in Skyrill North on one of the better teams in that league. Was fired after 18 months. Have run through nearly a year of the game unemployed and have applied to 10 of the teams in the North/South (same league I was pretty successful in despite being fired). No hires at all.

I'm going to start again and give it another try in that league. We'll see how I do. I've never started above the lowest league in any other version of this game and I'm not about to stop now! Plus, everyone else can feel good about their success while watching me struggle. :)


I personally felt it was easier to just coast through without understanding the Tactics prior to last year's version of FM (FM13). Once last year came out, I rage-quit so many times and almost got to the point of just not playing it anymore or buying it anymore as it became less fun.

Eventually I spent time trying to understand the tactics better, understand what I was doing wrong, and now in FM14 I seem to be doing a bit better finally.

My key suggestions are:

- Don't try to do too much. Constantly changing personal or tactics ends up causing more problems than it solves. My teams usually play pretty poorly for a while until the new players learn the system, or when changing systems it takes a bit for the team to learn it. You can look at a team's familiarity with your tactic as a sign on how well they might play with it.
- In games, even with a good tactic, you might not be playing well due to how you match up or the weather or player's morale or whatever. Use your assistant's feedback to try to figure out why that is, and more importantly what he means by saying certain things. Specific messages are repeated often through games and are a good sign on what sideline shout to use to try to help that. Even with that, try to avoid throwing out a bunch of extra shouts as it lowers the players familiarity with the system. If I have the same problem game to game where the same issue is repeatedly constantly, it might mean a review of your base tactic is in order to make small changes there.
- Try to set expectations accordingly. Here we seem to constantly hear coaches of sport teams over sell their teams, or motivate their players that way. In FM that can be pretty disastrous especially if the players start believing what you are selling. I find trying to be realistic with expectations to the board , the fans and the players keeps everyone on a more even keel.
- Try to find an assistant that helps fill the holes on what you aren't good at. If you don't do well with the player speeches, get an assistant that can motivate them well and have him do that job for you. Or whatever the case may be.

There are tons of others more granular things that I am still trying to learn (such as how to somehow beat Barcelona as I lose to them 1-0 every single time I play them).. but those basics helped me finally start enjoying the game again.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2891820)
I personally felt it was easier to just coast through without understanding the Tactics prior to last year's version of FM (FM13). Once last year came out, I rage-quit so many times and almost got to the point of just not playing it anymore or buying it anymore as it became less fun.

Eventually I spent time trying to understand the tactics better, understand what I was doing wrong, and now in FM14 I seem to be doing a bit better finally.

My key suggestions are:

- Don't try to do too much. Constantly changing personal or tactics ends up causing more problems than it solves. My teams usually play pretty poorly for a while until the new players learn the system, or when changing systems it takes a bit for the team to learn it. You can look at a team's familiarity with your tactic as a sign on how well they might play with it.
- In games, even with a good tactic, you might not be playing well due to how you match up or the weather or player's morale or whatever. Use your assistant's feedback to try to figure out why that is, and more importantly what he means by saying certain things. Specific messages are repeated often through games and are a good sign on what sideline shout to use to try to help that. Even with that, try to avoid throwing out a bunch of extra shouts as it lowers the players familiarity with the system. If I have the same problem game to game where the same issue is repeatedly constantly, it might mean a review of your base tactic is in order to make small changes there.
- Try to set expectations accordingly. Here we seem to constantly hear coaches of sport teams over sell their teams, or motivate their players that way. In FM that can be pretty disastrous especially if the players start believing what you are selling. I find trying to be realistic with expectations to the board , the fans and the players keeps everyone on a more even keel.
- Try to find an assistant that helps fill the holes on what you aren't good at. If you don't do well with the player speeches, get an assistant that can motivate them well and have him do that job for you. Or whatever the case may be.

There are tons of others more granular things that I am still trying to learn (such as how to somehow beat Barcelona as I lose to them 1-0 every single time I play them).. but those basics helped me finally start enjoying the game again.


Thanks! I'll work through some of those things as I start again. I think tactics is where I have the most troubles. I'm pretty good at roster management, training, and motivating.

DaddyTorgo 01-09-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2891820)
I personally felt it was easier to just coast through without understanding the Tactics prior to last year's version of FM (FM13). Once last year came out, I rage-quit so many times and almost got to the point of just not playing it anymore or buying it anymore as it became less fun.

Eventually I spent time trying to understand the tactics better, understand what I was doing wrong, and now in FM14 I seem to be doing a bit better finally.

My key suggestions are:

- Don't try to do too much. Constantly changing personal or tactics ends up causing more problems than it solves. My teams usually play pretty poorly for a while until the new players learn the system, or when changing systems it takes a bit for the team to learn it. You can look at a team's familiarity with your tactic as a sign on how well they might play with it.
- In games, even with a good tactic, you might not be playing well due to how you match up or the weather or player's morale or whatever. Use your assistant's feedback to try to figure out why that is, and more importantly what he means by saying certain things. Specific messages are repeated often through games and are a good sign on what sideline shout to use to try to help that. Even with that, try to avoid throwing out a bunch of extra shouts as it lowers the players familiarity with the system. If I have the same problem game to game where the same issue is repeatedly constantly, it might mean a review of your base tactic is in order to make small changes there.
- Try to set expectations accordingly. Here we seem to constantly hear coaches of sport teams over sell their teams, or motivate their players that way. In FM that can be pretty disastrous especially if the players start believing what you are selling. I find trying to be realistic with expectations to the board , the fans and the players keeps everyone on a more even keel.
- Try to find an assistant that helps fill the holes on what you aren't good at. If you don't do well with the player speeches, get an assistant that can motivate them well and have him do that job for you. Or whatever the case may be.

There are tons of others more granular things that I am still trying to learn (such as how to somehow beat Barcelona as I lose to them 1-0 every single time I play them).. but those basics helped me finally start enjoying the game again.


You need to adopt some of the principles of my 4-6-0 tactic (although probably not the radical shape itself). I don't have the record in front of me, but I've been reasonably successful against Barca and Madrid with it.

Alan T 01-09-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2891886)
You need to adopt some of the principles of my 4-6-0 tactic (although probably not the radical shape itself). I don't have the record in front of me, but I've been reasonably successful against Barca and Madrid with it.


I am 2-0 vs Madrid, don't seem to have a problem with them. With Barca, they play a 3-5-2 or whatever you call it which seems to counter my patient ball control tactic pretty well. In the end we spend the entire game passing it around and it only takes them to have one Messi break away to get that 1-0 and win. One game they got it on a penalty kick after I dominated posession 57-43 but still couldn't score. Bleh!

henry296 01-09-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891813)
Just as an example, I started in Skyrill North on one of the better teams in that league. Was fired after 18 months. Have run through nearly a year of the game unemployed and have applied to 10 of the teams in the North/South (same league I was pretty successful in despite being fired). No hires at all.

I'm going to start again and give it another try in that league. We'll see how I do. I've never started above the lowest league in any other version of this game and I'm not about to stop now! Plus, everyone else can feel good about their success while watching me struggle. :)


Is there still an option to select your level when you create a coach. I think if you put semi-pro or better it helps you get new jobs.

BishopMVP 01-09-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891317)
So if I get fired early on (which I seem to be doing a fantastic job of thus far in this version), what options are there to get rehired? Do I need to open up some other leagues in the nether regions of the world to get restarted? Hell, I had a 45% win percentage (Regional status) in roughly a season and a half with my first team before being fired. Then I start looking for jobs and all these teams are hiring people with even less experience than me and worse winning percentages. Is it me or is there still some work to do in regards to career employment on this game?

Did they get rid of the option to go on vacation and have the computer apply for open jobs? I haven't played since like FM12, and don't recall getting fired much, but I thought you could just do that and wait for an offer to come in.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 2891916)
Is there still an option to select your level when you create a coach. I think if you put semi-pro or better it helps you get new jobs.


I put 'automatic' for that, so maybe that's something I should change when I start up my next career.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2891920)
Did they get rid of the option to go on vacation and have the computer apply for open jobs? I haven't played since like FM12, and don't recall getting fired much, but I thought you could just do that and wait for an offer to come in.


I don't know. If there's an option for that, I'd love it. Would save me a lot of sim time.

DaddyTorgo 01-09-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891922)
I put 'automatic' for that, so maybe that's something I should change when I start up my next career.



I don't know. If there's an option for that, I'd love it. Would save me a lot of sim time.


The option is definitely there for "go on vacation and apply to all open jobs." I've used it.

DaddyTorgo 01-09-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2891914)
I am 2-0 vs Madrid, don't seem to have a problem with them. With Barca, they play a 3-5-2 or whatever you call it which seems to counter my patient ball control tactic pretty well. In the end we spend the entire game passing it around and it only takes them to have one Messi break away to get that 1-0 and win. One game they got it on a penalty kick after I dominated posession 57-43 but still couldn't score. Bleh!


I'll look at my tactic tonight.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2891923)
The option is definitely there for "go on vacation and apply to all open jobs." I've used it.


So it stops when you get an offer?

vex 01-09-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2891926)
So it stops when you get an offer?


Yes, it stops when you get an interview.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex (Post 2891935)
Yes, it stops when you get an interview.


Awesome. I still have the same save available. I'll give it a whirl. Thanks to everyone.

Alan T 01-09-2014 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2891924)
I'll look at my tactic tonight.



I am thinking that it might not be my tactic as much as the quality of my front guys. Against lesser teams, I get enough shots on goal that something goes in. Against Barca, even with more possession, if my guys keep missing the net on the fewer shots we get, its less likely that I will score.

I definitely don't have an elite striker by any means and pretty much my goals are spread around across 7 different players. Maybe I should spend the cash on someone up front worth something.

DaddyTorgo 01-09-2014 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2891944)
I am thinking that it might not be my tactic as much as the quality of my front guys. Against lesser teams, I get enough shots on goal that something goes in. Against Barca, even with more possession, if my guys keep missing the net on the fewer shots we get, its less likely that I will score.

I definitely don't have an elite striker by any means and pretty much my goals are spread around across 7 different players. Maybe I should spend the cash on someone up front worth something.


Who are you playing as?

I would say that I don't have "elite" guys @ Bilbao either. Maybe a touch better depending on who you're playing as, I dunno.

Alan T 01-09-2014 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2891955)
Who are you playing as?

I would say that I don't have "elite" guys @ Bilbao either. Maybe a touch better depending on who you're playing as, I dunno.


I'm Arsenal, playing primarily with Giroud up front. He just never seems to bury anything much. Seems to be a much better player for them this year in Real life than he has been for my FM team

DaddyTorgo 01-09-2014 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2891959)
I'm Arsenal, playing primarily with Giroud up front. He just never seems to bury anything much. Seems to be a much better player for them this year in Real life than he has been for my FM team


You're better in terms of talent than my Bilbao team - at least on an individual level I wager.

My thoughts:

High pressing. Try to disrupt them before they can get the ball in the offensive third of the pitch. Preferably right around the midfield line.

I don't believe you can just sit back and play 11 behind the ball and hope to weather the storm and counter with long balls against Barca. They're too good...they'll find a way through. Hell, they even did against my Juve side in our first matchup (subsequently played them more straight-up and had better results).

I don't have a problem with a deeper, narrower defensive line against Barca, but I think you want an active midfield (ideally one that outnumbers them) that's pressing.

And even then - it's going to be a tight game (as it should be realistically).

ColtCrazy 01-09-2014 04:57 PM

I did a fairly nasty move against Barca in my league. I'm Palace and after a few years we managed to get into the Champions Cup. We drew Zenit, Celtic, and Barca. Barca were missing most of their key guys in our first meeting at Barca and we surprised them with a 2-0 victory (I played a 4-2-1-2-1 with counter). They came back and got a drew at Selhurst. In the final game they were in need of points and help. Having won the group, I pulled my best guys…let Celtic win…and Barca were shut out of the knockout round. Was kind of funny, even if my board still bring up the 1-3 defeat at Celtic in my board confidence update (yet don't mention I've made the knockout round at all).

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-09-2014 05:07 PM

Thanks again for the suggestions. Figured out how to use the vacation options. Couple of unsuccessful interviews thus far, but at least I'm getting some options now.

JetsIn06 01-10-2014 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2892010)
Thanks again for the suggestions. Figured out how to use the vacation options. Couple of unsuccessful interviews thus far, but at least I'm getting some options now.


Mizzou, I'm being incredibly lazy, and while I skimmed the posts above and didn't see it, the new patch fixed a bug/balance issue with hiring. That's why it was so hard for you to get job. Sorry if this was posted immediately above. Time for bed.

DaddyTorgo 01-10-2014 12:36 AM

Oooh - well that's good news!

JetsIn06 01-10-2014 12:42 AM

Eh, before bed time, need to explain what's going on in my save. I started with Eastleigh in Skrill South, got them promoted at the end of season 2. Jumped ship in the summer to Belgium, where I managed Tienen until January. Got fired, went to Chelmsford in July, and then successfully got pried from there in December with an offer from Livington in the Scottish Championship, where I barely stayed up, finishing 8th of 10 teams. I wasn't fired, but left Livington for League 2 side Gillingham.

Expected by the board to win promotion, we started with a record of 0W 6D and 2L, not exactly lighting things up. We won three of the next four, but the failed to win five games in a row, and the board came calling, demanding 11 points in 5 games.

Since that day, we've won five games in a row, including back to back wins over the top team (who swapped places). 21 games in, and we're 5th in the division.

whomario 01-10-2014 06:55 AM

I am going to start playing the game any minute :) That is, if i ever can decide on my setup ;)

Can somebody tell me where to edit things like the number of substitutions or squad rules ? It´s supposed to be possible to edit these things in the editor in this version, alas i´m unable to find the option there ...

Grover 01-13-2014 08:07 PM

Finally started my annual West Ham game.

Mid-table, up and down through mid-March. The Academy of Football has brought in two 5* youth products, a DR and ST.

Andy Carroll has come back from injury with 6 goals in 2 games, a 3-2 loss to Everton and a 4-2 win against Man City.

Yes. Andy Carroll 4 - 2 Manchester City.

twothree 01-18-2014 08:30 PM

I finally had a season end where a team besides Arsenal(7), Chelsea(5), Liverpool(1), Manchester City(4), Manchester United(11), or Tottenham(11) won the English Premier League. The number after each team's name is how many times they won the league between 2014 and 2052. None of those six teams have ever finished below 12th place in the league over those 39 years.

In quite a shock a team that began play in the North Conference in the 13/14 season ended up champion of the Premier League by one point after the 52/53 season over Newcastle United. AFC Telford United first entered the Premier League in the 43/44 season. Then they got relegated for a year after the 44/45 season. Afterwards, they always finished mid-table in the Premier League from 46/47 through 51/52. AFC Telford United are now the 8th richest English club in my game after winning the Premier League in 2053.

I also got to watch a neat run from out of the Southern Premier by Redditch United. They made it all the way up to the Football League Championship where they stayed for 3 years before coming to rest in League 2.

I have been "on vacation" and not controlling any team since the start of my FMC game, while having all the England, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, and Spain leagues active. I eventually plan to start coaching a team when the league gets to the year 2100 or 2101. That way all the real players, real coaches, and real players who became coaches will be retired.

I am also finally starting to see some variety in which team wins the various leagues, except for the Spanish La Liga. So, there will be a good 75+ years of history that I have watched that will have gotten me invested in my current game. Though, I might delete the Spanish league. It is quite boring to watch two billionaire clubs win 38 out of 40 years. Granada won the league twice.

DaddyTorgo 01-18-2014 08:36 PM

We all know I love Juventus.

So in my Bilbao game, who do I get drawn against in the Champions League Quarterfinals?

Yep...Juventus.

I'm a bit torn - I can't decide if I want to win or lose.

vex 01-18-2014 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twothree (Post 2894542)
Though, I might delete the Spanish league. It is quite boring to watch two billionaire clubs win 38 out of 40 years. Granada won the league twice.


I had a pretty good save with Granada back in '10. One of my favorite teams in FM.



Quote:

From 2010:


So I'm completely addicted again after purchasing during the Steam sale. Playing as Granada C.F. in Spain's 2nd Division we just missed going undefeated as we had one loss somewhere in the last 5 games of the season. We won the 2nd Division Championship and promoted to Liga adelante where I'm hoping we can get a mid-table finish. Fun to have a game again where it's all I think about during my down time


Update: It's 2018 and I'm still at Granada. We are now in La Liga and won the League and Spanish Cup last year. Transfer budget was $109 mil after selling a few players this year so needless to say its been a little different than when I started as my budget was about $60K or so.

DaddyTorgo 01-18-2014 09:24 PM

OMG!! OMG!!!

1st leg: 0-0 draw at the San Mames with Juventus
2nd leg: Llorente scores in the 83rd minute. Disaster for Bilbao. I throw caution to the wind (switch from defensive tactic to attacking, go on overload), and SOMEHOW win a PK in the 89th minute. Mikel Arteta slots it home...AND I'M THROUGH TO THE SEMIFINALS!!

ColtCrazy 01-18-2014 10:08 PM

That right there, DT, is why this game is amazing. I've had my share of late goals (both ways) that just add drama to the game.

DaddyTorgo 01-18-2014 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtCrazy (Post 2894557)
That right there, DT, is why this game is amazing. I've had my share of late goals (both ways) that just add drama to the game.


I know right? I literally jumped off the sofa in happiness, and then I was like "oh fuck...I just sent Juve out of the CL."

And I'm just about to clinch the La Liga title over Real Madrid in 2015.

I drew the first leg of the CL semifinal against PSG 0-0. I imagine I'll probably lose the 2nd leg in France, but I have a shot via away goals.

TroyF 01-20-2014 11:23 AM

For people who enjoy different skins, my favorite every year was released this weekend. It's called Steklo X4 and is available in the steam workship. (this isn't spam, I've never spoken to the guy who makes it)

just an FYI for those who like it.

SackAttack 01-20-2014 04:55 PM

Saido Berahino is leading EPL in goals, assists and player rating in my second season. I think this is the first time I've had a player on West Brom who can be a difference maker who wasn't either on loan or a player I had to buy.

SirFozzie 01-20-2014 07:35 PM

Man, Benfica fans are HARDCORE.. one of our second team players announced in the January transfer window that he'd be leaving on a free transfer in July to Porto (one of Benfica's fierce rivals). Today (Mar 4 in game), I got this notification:

"Head Physio Joao Resende has expressed his annoyance that central defender Rui Feteiro arrived at the club today having suffered a broken collarbone which he claims was caused by a fall at home"

Now, am I reading between the lines here, or is it possible our fans.... tried to convince him of the error of his ways? He'll miss about two months, or a good part of the rest of the season.,

flere-imsaho 01-21-2014 09:22 AM

It would not surprise me at all if there was code in there for that purpose. The game is essentially sentient at this point.

DaddyTorgo 01-21-2014 10:40 AM

Cross post from my Bilbao dynasty thread

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ewpost&t=87724

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2895487)
Bump - 2014/2015 update coming tonight. Just took a bunch of year-end screenies.


Marc Vaughan 01-21-2014 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 2895462)
It would not surprise me at all if there was code in there for that purpose. The game is essentially sentient at this point.


Your post has been logged and a sentinel from SI Towers will be with you shortly to ensure you do not spread any such rumors in the future - SI are here to entertain and please you, any rumors of FM's sentience are not to be considered an official announcement at this time :D ;)

Grover 01-21-2014 11:41 AM

Ah, so that voice in the back of my head IS the game telling me to come back to the computer and play for an hour or forty-eight.

ColtCrazy 01-21-2014 12:12 PM

My rise to the top of the table at Palace is hitting a wall. Sheer fatigue is starting to set in as my starters are very good, but my bench isn't that deep. We lost to Wigan in the FA Cup because I absolutely had to rest people for the upcoming Champions' League match at Juventus. We managed to win there 2-1 on a fluke goal late in the game. Then we came back and lost to Manchester Utd on penalties in the Capital One Cup and 3 days later we have to play them again, at Old Trafford, in league play. Whew. I'm guessing I'll concentrate on the Champion's League while I remain in it. I'm second in the EPL, 10 points clear of 3rd but 9 points behind Utd. They are unstoppable a few years down the road in my league.

flere-imsaho 01-21-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2895500)
Your post has been logged and a sentinel from SI Towers will be with you shortly to ensure you do not spread any such rumors in the future - SI are here to entertain and please you, any rumors of FM's sentience are not to be considered an official announcement at this time :D ;)


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