Vote J23

NtN wolf or not should be able to play. We kill the poor guy off early every time.

In case anyone is interested, looks like NTN won't be back on.

Someone please quickly give me the recap of the NtN argument.

I don't think there's really an argument out there for either of us Dubb.

I agree, but since RA had just came back on I'd have given him a few minutes with it tied to decide. With how few wolfs there probably are in this game right now I don't see a wolf putting a vote on another wolf today, unless it is a late switch. Just thought it was strange to not see what RA would do first. I agree that we shouldn't all switch a minute or two before the deadline, was just saying there is still lots of time to switch.

can anyone give me any kind of explanation about where NTN came from as a candidate...this has been a rather bizarre run

I voted NTN because I saw it as him possibly jumping on a bandwagon to ensure a wolf didn't get lynched.

For what it's worth, I agree w/ this sentiment, which is why I avoided voting for him earlier.

That being said, I know I'm a villager, and I'm not sure he is, so I have a hard time letting myself get lynched for that reason alone.

My impression was he was just another guy that had some votes that could be a contender once bhlloy was out of the running ( and since people seemed to feel better about Mauboy for some reason). I don't remember why he got any votes to begin with. But that's the case for just about everybody.

I put the first vote on him but had no real reason to (which I stated when I placed the vote).

Not sure why the rest of the run started.

so people felt good about mau, and people felt good about bholloy...bholloy revealed, so instead of going to mau, a whole boatload of people pulled NTN out of no where...i'll be back in a bit...need to go look up the definintion of "bandwagon"...i know i will be looking at the people that started that run tomorrow

Danny was the first to bring him up as a candidate and he seems pretty sure of himself for unknown reasons. Can't explain anyone else but my own. Danny might have some info but don't know. Maybe his pushing did it. bhlloy revealed so pile off of there. mauboy suddenly seemed a bad candidate but I think Danny started that ball rolling too. So j23 vs ntn and here we are.

SInce j23 is more vocal perhaps is why I like him staying at this point.

so why not mau

Alright, I'm back from my meeting

I did until the vote shifted, so I had to move it again to save myself from being lynched (or give myself the best shot at least).

really not liking a run on a guy that said he wouldnt be back before deadline...this just feels very wrong...i was already thinking that the ratio in this game would be different than others because of the chance that we can all resist the night kill...the fact that a run got put together that quickly really doesnt sit well with me

What about the possibility that NTN has a role? He said earlier today he wouldn't be on this evening, so can't quite fault him for being quiet.

I hate to defend anyone since if he's bad you'll all scowl at me. But i think it's bad practice to blindly lynch people who aren't around to reveal.

it's one vote a piece tho. We may have a double lynch on our hands.

Well, a run was pretty much inevitable when Bhlloy revealed. It was only a question of who it would be.

is it a tie?

i meant a one vote difference.

a double lynch might be good if one of them is a Servant

8-7 NTN

I'll switch to give more space if no one else is moving.

Ntn is up by a vote atm if the vote counts earlier were correct.

I didn't know he wouldn't be back until now, reading his post though did leave room for him to come back by finishing with talk to you all this evening.

no thom it isn't. I just meant if there is a double vote there somewhere we COULD have one.

if you're moving, better do it now...

I think it's 8-7

time check

Just in case we have a double voter on J23 or something like that. I think it's a bad idea to kill the absent guy, but I don't think a tie is better.

Time?

That is time folkses

Alright, let's see what we've got here, hmm

Or is it?

Unfortunately if he has a role we will find out, hopefully he will be one of the 20%, but this late run might have people not believing a reveal anyways. It is entirely possible we didn't have a wolf up as it was.

Usually the case, commo.

I'm sure it is, that is why I didn't have a problem changing off of him at the last minute. If you are important you should try and find a way to at least check somewhat near deadline.

Can someone post the official vote count while I double check?

I feel differently day one, particularly, though. Not everyone can get on, the votes are so random you have no idea if yo'ure going to be in the running. I think it pays for the village to be careful not to kill off a role if they're just randomly voting anyway.

Dubb - thomkal
NTN - grammaticus, danny, commo, bhlloy, mauboy, J23, RA, CF
Mauboy - hoops, chief rum, eF, mckerney
J23 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, Dubb
Danny - EF
Bhlloy - ntndeacon
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

Should read as below as you switched at last minute.

Dubb - thomkal
NTN - grammaticus, danny, commo, bhlloy, mauboy, J23, RA, CF, autumn
Mauboy - hoops, chief rum, eF, mckerney
J23 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, Dubb
Danny - EF
Bhlloy - ntndeacon
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 9 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23, RaidersArmy, CF, Autumn
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 6 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, dubb
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug


this i think, but it isn't official. Only you can do that abe :)

Please don't put bold votes in the post, it makes it harder for me to find. Thanks!

Isn''t that particularly stupid of me. Yeah, I didn't log that one, lol.

Yeah, sorry, I redid it to make sure you caught it after others suggested that.

As the day concludes, you meet by the shores of the famous Mississippi. After some discussion, you narrow the candidates down to two major ones, and despite the push and pull, ultimately you decide to select ntndeacon.

The Sacred Flame is ignited as a column brightly against the twilight sky. Prismatic flares seem to kiss the sky as the multivaried flames crackle with an odd spectral pop. You get the feeling that it is not quite there. Like most of it has manifested. But not all of it, as the spiritual part of the Sacred Flame keeps itself hidden away much like man's soul.

At first, ntndeacon is reluctant to move into the Flame, but the hypnotic swaying of the flame is too much and he moves into it. The Holy Fire envelops his body, baring forth his spirit. His body is destroyed, but with his spirit laid bare, you can tell, just before he departs this plane, that he was, in fact, a Servant of the Red Death!

You check his things and confiscate a Charm of Protection Against Detection as evidence. He appears to have been The Unhallowed, a Servant with some special abilities.

Congratulations are in order, and you celebrate your victory with drink and song, but it is hollow. You know that there must be more Servants than this.


Day One Has Ended. Night One Actions must be submitted by TWO AM EST.

Wow, nice! lol

Sweet

Somebody can come out and say they had the best gut call ever or something, but it seems to me we just got very lucky. I was pushing not to lynch him, so I know I'll get the squinty eye for that, but I stand by the idea that it's not smart to lynch people who can't reveal.

alrighty then...i say we have an unobstructed run on whoever says they wont be around tomorrow too!

Sweet. I guess he did have a role Autumn!

Because of your knowledge of the dark arts, you immediately recognize him. This was his role:


The Unhallowed – You are a former minister who has fallen and become a servant of the red death. You appear to be a minister in every normal way, and if followed at night by the Detective, he will see you studying the Bible and going to church. You may take kill or corrupt actions as your group sees fit.

well, that's a pretty sweet result

dola, am i missing it somewhere, or is there not a post describing the servant roles?

Now do we think another wolf came to his support late.

Well, we got a servant, but that doesn't bode well for me.

AWESOME okay Danny spill it! I sense you knew something but wasn't sure, yet you pushesd for it TWICE. How did you KNOW that?

I almost wanted to switch back to j23 because feeling guilty, but, hell yeah.

I'd like to say I an that good, but that was at least 90 percent luck, and maybe 100 percent. Either way, woot!

That is part of the reason I thought he was a wolf. Try to get a bandwagon going on a villager to ensure a wolf survives and it is convenient for a wolf, in my eyes, to disappear as I stated an important villager should find a way to check at least to ensure they aren't killed holding key info.

Okay because it was your repeated pushes and the fact that J23 came back and started talking that made me switch for sure.

What did you see tha tmade you suspect though? I can't imagine he posted enough to leave us much evidence, but it would be sweet if he did.

Clearly he was part of a gropu then. I suspect some may be lone wolves, but we can expect his mate(s) at least knew he was going down.

Being somewhat new to this, are there any actions that you can do during that day that would give someone to know this, other than them fake revealing?

Nice.

thomkal votes dubb 83
dzilla votes ntn 84
ntn votes mauboy 88
narc votes mrbug 105
autumn votes J23 116
EF votes danny 117
jackal votes danny 123
bhlloy votes dubb 125
commo votes bhlloy 127
hoops votes mauboy 129
sndvls votes jackal 141
lathum votes danny 142
narc unvotes mrbug 154
narc votes jackal 154
mauboy votes lathum 164
narc unvotes jackal 167
narc votes lathum 167
dubb votes lathum 170
saldana votes dubb 171
saldana unvotes dubb 173
zinto votes J23 178
jackal unvotes danny 199
jackal votes bhlloy 199
J23 votes bhlloy 212
Sndvls unvotes Jackal 213
mckerney votes bhlloy 222
Sndvls votes J23 225
CF votes mauboy 233
grammaticus votes ntn 236
saldana votes J23 242
mrbug votes CF 244
ntn unvotes mauboy 248
ntn votes bhlloy 248
dubb unvotes lathum 249
dubb votes bhlloy 249
mauboy unvotes lathum 250
mauboy votes dubb 250
chief rum votes mauboy 254
((bhlloy reveals as keeper)) 275
bhlloy unvotes dubb 275
bhlloy votes mauboy 275
jackal unvotes bhlloy 281
jackal votes mauboy 283
ef unvotes danny 287
ef votes mauboy 287
jackal unvotes mauboy 296
jackal votes J23 296
danny votes ntn 297
CF unvotes mauboy 306
CF votes J23 306
Lahtum unvotes danny 310
lathum votes J23 310
commo unvotes bhlloy 318
mckerney unvotes bhlloy 329
mckerney votes mauboy 329
commo votes ntn 334
J23 unvotes bhalloy 352
J23 votes mauboy 354
bhlloy unvotes mauboy 357
bhlloy votes ntn 357
mauboy unvotes dubb 361
mauboy votes ntn 361
j23 unvotes mauboy 364
j23 votes ntn 364
dzilla unvotes ntn 377
dubb unvotes bhlloy 386
RA votes ntn 390
CF unvotes J23 393
CF votes ntn 393
dubb votes J23 400
autumn unvotes J23
autumn votes ntn

dzilla's vote on J23 looks very very bad, knowing that there was all that time to untie it. That really smells like a wolf putting a wolf forward and then panicking and realizing he's put his teammate in danger and trying to justify moving his vote off. I've fallen victim to that before and I've seen it happen a few more times as well.

Well I think Danny is definitely villager now.
I would HOPE I am clear now too for that. Autumn I think. And Raiders.

There MIGHT be a wolf on ntn down there hoping for some later trust and now kicking himself.

Given how routinely wolves lay a wolf-wolf vote early in games nowadays, I don't think this says anything for Mauboy. It would look good for bhlloy if we didn't already know about him ;-)

sorry, I meant dzilla's vote off ntn, although knowing he didn't actually put the vote on anybody else after that is also pretty bad looking.

NOt really. Scans like that are typically NOT day actions or anytime actions. Usually it's finding out something after lynch deadline and finding comething out after night deadline. Almost NEVER just arbitrarily during the middle of the day. BUt this is a game with lots of items and extra rules, so there is no telling what is in there.

I don't think anyone is ever clear. I think it's clear I was a villager today, but i or you could just as easily be a wolf tomorrow

Just to be clear I unvoted ntn, but did not vote J23. I did not vote anybody.

And yes, while it does make me look bad, I am emphatically not a wolf. If I was, I would have voted J23 to make it much more difficult to lynch ntn.

Unless J23 is a wolf too ;-)

This, especially when it seems we may be having one, possibly more worst case, switching over a night. That said who ever can convert people back should be focusing on the villagers today in the future.

This just looks so terrible, given the context. You have to at least see that, no?

Sal and Dubb are the other two doing some subtle hinting/asking why we are putting ntn forward as a candidate late on when there were still enough votes to switch to J23. If I'm a wolf, that's exactly how I'm playing it.

I think our list of candidates tomorrow has to start there. I'm also somewhat interested in grammaticus who potentially put a trust vote on ntn when he was in very little danger and then didn't check in for the rest of the day.

Does using my brilliant mind count? :p

Bholly, if I was a wolf I would have nailed NtN to the cross. I expect the surviving wolf/wolves did exactly that. No chance I miss that opportunity to join the COT. If I'm a wolf then I am playing the Danny role today.

I've been here most of the evening.

I swear, every single time I put a somewhat late vote on a wolf it always ends up "not saying anything about me.." to some people.

I agree to a point - but my vote was mostly self defense - If I voted for j23 I would have possibly created a scenario in which people continue to vote for me and make it me vs J23. I somewhat helped manipulate the vote so that ntn's name stayed out there a bit longer, which in the end, did help the vote.

Some interesting posts before the deadline.



After moving off of Bhlloy


Seems like he was really pushing us away, the question is does a wolf make it so obvious?

excellent points.
Tomorrow I think I'd rather lay off the ntn voters and concentrate on the rest. This is important info to keep track of for sure. Love the converting people back idea. Forgot we had one of those. (that too lazy to read the rules thing again)

But all that being the case if it is going to be me-sal tomorrow then the line to vote him starts right behind me.

I do see it and admitted it as such. As lucky as it was to get ntn, it was equally as unlucky for me to vote him and then switch off.

Again, you can lynch me, but you will be getting a villager.

Sorry, I was referring to NTN's vote on you early in the day.

Keep in mind the wolves knew NtN was a wolf and had the opportunity to manipulate that and get a good vote in. I think giving them a pass tomorrow is a poor play since I not only suspect there were wolves in that run but I also suspect the conversion, if there is one, will be coming from that pool.

oic, I should have read more closely. :)

Sure looks to me like we got the cunning, so I would expect that the late votes putting him in harms way are pretty good indicators of Lightbringers.

wow that was quite lucky for us-given that the odds were so much against us getting a Servant on Day 1. I think they definitely will try to convert a replacement tonight, probably from the ntndeacon voters, so we should keep that in mind going forward.

I'm not so sure about this though. The run started kind of late and happened extremely quick. If anyone switched to NTN and was a wolf the only person I'd suspect is Autumn.

Agree, dzilla and autumn are the most suspicious based on vote activity. Of course there are other things to look at too.

I'm not sure you play the Danny role given that the village knows there's a high chance of conversion. Especially putting your cunning out there.

Not all wolves may have been able to communicate with each other or possibly even know of the others existence.

I made the late switch to kill Sndvls, the cunning, in the HP game. Had I not switched he wouldn't thane been lynched. I switched minutes before the deadline. Everyone said "no way a wolf would so that to the cunning.". Another wolf didn't die in a Saldana hosted game for like 3 more freakin games. So yes I would have played Danny.

Don't lynch me for b/c you think I am a crappy wolf. I have never been such a thing.

If that is the case then you are aguing we should just throw the vote record completely out? No thanks.

It's perfectly valid, certainly my vote was the classic meaningless pile on at the last second.

However ... in all honesty if I was a wolf I'd stay right where I was, which I wouldn't have caught flak for, and hope against all hope that someone screws up and ties things. There would have been a decent chance of that, and I wouldn't have moved and ruined that.

I don't think that's what he's arguing, but certainly we have to keep it in perspective. For all we know he had one wolf mate, who wasn't even on tonight. We don't want to put blinders on.

FWIW I read NtN as only being able to fool the detective, who would only catch him on the night he made a kill anyway. Not sure I would call that "cunning."

Six pages of stuff to read when I get home is crazy. Even more crazy that we got a wolf on day one.

If (when?) I am lynched tomorrow, you will be throwing out the voting records, because I am villager.

Anyhow, going to bed. I am sure I will wake to several votes tomorrow. So be it.