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RendeR 05-05-2009 09:43 AM

Jesus abe...how the hell DID the coal miners ever get unionized?

EagleFan 05-05-2009 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2012503)
The events are set before the game began.


So last night's event was not a wolf action?

RendeR 05-05-2009 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2012506)
Has this been asked?

Was the Poli kill a wolf initiated event? The answer may be key. If it was a wolf triggered event than we can probably rule out conversion. If it was not, we cannot rule out conversion and should probably expect it at this point.




My take on it is the train event caused a random death in the firefight. I don't think Poli's death was actually initiated by anyone.

claphamsa 05-05-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 2012511)
My take on it is the train event caused a random death in the firefight. I don't think Poli's death was actually initiated by anyone.



I think thats awful unlikely, I think abe is just putting some color into the nightkill.

RendeR 05-05-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 2012513)
I think thats awful unlikely, I think abe is just putting some color into the nightkill.


Abe, can you clarify this at all? I didn't see this as a night kill at all. Poli's death was written up in the results of the train event?

Lathum 05-05-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 2012326)
This is a good plan, but I have a way to save us a few points...I happen to have food. (recently given to me) If I use that then food distribution is an automatic success.


still catching up. This is good but I think we still need a x3 there because you now could be a candidate for arrest, if possible.

Lathum 05-05-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 2012332)
does this qulaify as lathuming?

I mean your putting pressure on me... for voting for the brutal wolf, and then saying i must be wolf because of this? seriously? I can think of a lot of good reasons to vote for me, this is not one


that is not lathuming

this is...

C'mon Clap, don't be an idiot. You were the only person who voted for him that day and he was in no danger until BK dukeed to him. I know you aren't that stupid and told you that would ne your defense.

Moron

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 2012518)
Abe, can you clarify this at all? I didn't see this as a night kill at all. Poli's death was written up in the results of the train event?


Correct. Poli died as the result fo teh Bull Moose Special event.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012519)
still catching up. This is good but I think we still need a x3 there because you now could be a candidate for arrest, if possible.

I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 2012508)
Jesus abe...how the hell DID the coal miners ever get unionized?


Not until the New Deal and some of the laws passed there did it happen.

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2012509)
So last night's event was not a wolf action?


Correct

jeheinz72 05-05-2009 10:06 AM

Work Gladhanding

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2012529)
Correct


Follow up, although since it involved the Sympathizers driving an armored machine gun laden train through your camp, you can take from that that they had some control over it, even though it was an Event, not a Night Kill.

PurdueBrad 05-05-2009 10:09 AM

If we're thinking of trying to pull off the village and the mission, then I think back to what some said regarding the recruitment mission before. I think you need to have an orator or gladhander or one of each in order to recruit. If everyone thought that the mission looking for items demanded searchers, then who's better at recruiting than the gladhanders or the orators?

claphamsa 05-05-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2012523)
Correct. Poli died as the result fo teh Bull Moose Special event.

so your saying we lost our body guard due to a random event? WTF is that?

claphamsa 05-05-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012522)
that is not lathuming

this is...

C'mon Clap, don't be an idiot. You were the only person who voted for him that day and he was in no danger until BK dukeed to him. I know you aren't that stupid and told you that would ne your defense.

Moron


your the one making a big deal of a throw away vote, not me :P

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:11 AM

Parts of my Bibliography include:

Black Coal Miners in America
When Miners March

And the WV Department of Culture has a massive amount of historical archives which include transcripts of Senate testimony, and various historical documents like newspaper clippings, internal company memos, and letters.

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 2012536)
so your saying we lost our body guard due to a random event? WTF is that?


We probably posted at the same time, but no, I never said it was random.

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 2012538)
your the one making a big deal of a throw away vote, not me :P


and you don't see why?

Either way it is a mute point, we don't have a lynch today and hopefully not tomorrow either.

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012544)
and you don't see why?

Either way it is a MOOT point, we don't have a lynch today and hopefully not tomorrow either.


Fixed

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2012545)
Fixed


was trying to play off Claps teribel speling

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:20 AM

Abe I haven't heard the point speak. I feel it has been quite silent actually.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012547)
was trying to play off Claps teribel speling

:D

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:21 AM

So do we have confirmation that all our work is 100% today despite race?

jeheinz72 05-05-2009 10:21 AM

Sure sure Lathum.


Nice try.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2012527)
I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.

Quoted because I'd like to hear what others think and feel it might have gotten lost in the shuffle over the train.

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72 (Post 2012551)
Sure sure Lathum.


Nice try.


?

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2012555)
Quoted because I'd like to hear what others think and feel it might have gotten lost in the shuffle over the train.


I think this plan makes sense as long as all our work counts as normal today.

IF others agree I'll go on the mission.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012562)
I think this plan makes sense as long as all our work counts as normal today.

IF others agree I'll go on the mission.

Abe has confirmed blacks will count as normal. Of course we don't know about other races. And your point is well taken. I think Glengoyne has charted a better safe than sorry course for the camp. Of course it sounds like winning this mission is a pretty big deal as well.

jeheinz72 05-05-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012560)
?


Oh I was just poking fun at you saying you were covering for CLAP'S bad spelling.

RendeR 05-05-2009 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012550)
So do we have confirmation that all our work is 100% today despite race?



I believe he did verify this but I can't find the post atm.

Glengoyne 05-05-2009 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 2012326)
This is a good plan, but I have a way to save us a few points...I happen to have food. (recently given to me) If I use that then food distribution is an automatic success.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2012527)
I agree we need to take precautions about an arrest. Here's what I propose. I propose that I and one of the two food distributors, let's just say Lathum for convenience, go on the mission. Eagle holds his powder. We'll know after the mission if ntn or Eagle has been arrested. If both stay unarrested, I think Eagle backs up oratory (taking my slot) while ntn finishes food. If one of them is arrested then the other finishes food.

Now all this assumes that if we lose this camp we don't automatically die. I say we don't, as evidenced by the explicit two people being voted off scenario. If this is the case then ntn, even if a wolf, has no incentive to cheat since we'll automatically make him one of our two lynchees.



I can go with your take there BK. Oh and my plan was definitely a better safe than sorry option. That second camp where we allowed the arrest to block the conversion looms large in my mind.

Glengoyne 05-05-2009 10:47 AM

go on mission

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:48 AM

Ok then. For the time being

Unwork oratory
Go on the mission

Lathum 05-05-2009 10:50 AM

so who's plan are we going with?

ntndeacon 05-05-2009 10:50 AM

I have sent in my request to use the food, so hopefully something will be told me shorrtly. (not that I will hear it as Ihave a test to give ) I wouldn't expect another item from me tomorrow. I did not get any pms. I will only have the same items I had at the start of the day.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 10:52 AM

Well considering it's Day 6, can we assume you've had 6 objects of some sort? We know for sure at least two (the knife + food).

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 10:58 AM

One of your fellow miners has found some food supplies and used them. The food distribution task for today will automatically be successful.

Barkeep49 05-05-2009 11:03 AM

Well that's very helpful. So I think it frees one of the food distributors to go on the mission and the other to backstop some other work.

Lathum 05-05-2009 11:05 AM

based on Abes message I am assuming even an arrest wouldn't affect food distribution at this point. Correct?

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2012588)
based on Abes message I am assuming even an arrest wouldn't affect food distribution at this point. Correct?


That would be correct

jeheinz72 05-05-2009 11:07 AM

Nice re: food

Lathum 05-05-2009 11:09 AM

Go on Mission

Abe Sargent 05-05-2009 11:12 AM

The military commission was ruthless. Men were not able to speak on their behalf, and were tried up to 80 at a time, later Senate investigation would show. Not one company person was sent to the military tribunal. Men would wait outside in a holding area until a decision as to their guilt and the sanction, then they were usually incarcerated as part of their violation. There are numerous cases of miners who were not even affiliated with the union getting 5, 6, 8 or 10 years because they tried to stop a mine guard from beating someone or questioned their behavior.

EagleFan 05-05-2009 11:56 AM

Sweet. I'll lay back to support the camps unless my services are needed elsewhere.

Glengoyne 05-05-2009 11:57 AM

So how do we stand as far as assigning work orders? Have all of the mission folks checked in?

EagleFan 05-05-2009 12:00 PM

With last night's event not a wolf action that tells me that we had a conversion.

Leading candidates would be Lathum and myself. Of course the wolves could also have stayed away from us because we would be the assumed targets and would be looked at first.

EagleFan 05-05-2009 12:07 PM

Though I feel like I am completely in the dark here sometimes I definitely am liking the game.

As RendeR said.... how in the hell did they ever unionize?

This is giving me some ideas for my next game. Not based on the same topic, but something with a historic tie in. (I've done television and movie, might as well go historic next)

DaddyTorgo 05-05-2009 12:07 PM

yay food!!

DaddyTorgo 05-05-2009 12:36 PM

just in case my earlier work got missed somehow (feels like it was a hell of a long time ago)

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