I don't think it is a wide scale tactic, either. I would imagine that the type of people that are willing to be employed solely to spy and cheat, are probably also the type of people that would either not keep quiet about it or would try to blackmail the program in order to keep quiet once they left.

You might find some GAs and 'hangers on' that would be willing to do it out of loyalty or to further their careers, but even here at WVU, there are so many little secrets that get out, I doubt something like this would be kept under wraps so closely if it was going on and involved a large number of people.

The notorious one I remember was Jimbo forgetting that Dameyune Craig had worked at FSU from 2010-12 and knew the signals in the first half of the championship game vs. Auburn.

Wasn't there a pretty big scandal with a Wake Forest announcer giving up a bunch of information on the team to opponents? I think Louisville was the team he gave it to.

In all seriousness, what's the difference between this and advanced scouting in baseball where you sit and watch the other team, pick pitcher grips, pitch tells, etc.? I assume if you can pick up on certain signs, whether between pitcher-catcher or base coaches and hitters/runners, you would pass that info along, right?

As long as you're not video recording stuff or sneaking into closed practices, I would think this is typical stuff.

The question is (as was in Spygate), are they doing it from prohibited locations? If not, godspeed and have fun.

Scouting in person has been against the rules since 1994 so prohibited locations would include games. That's apparently the issue.

Huh. Had no idea! Lazy coaches protecting themselves from each other.

The intent was to improve balance between higher budget programs and lower budget programs by reducing scouting expenses. If only those ADs and coaches from 1994 could see the analysis and file breakdowns in place today at these high budget programs.:)

What you don't get from film is how teams handle their personnel package organization, signs, and other administrative type tasks. You can get a better feel for some of that stuff from tv broadcasts then you can from All-22 film.

Who says you need hired staff? During my daughter's mid-major softball career, parents would scout teams at tournaments or get reports from parents and players on other teams who played upcoming teams and we'd feed coaches or our kids all sorts of info. And of course they would talk to other coaches for info as well. Just doesn't seem like s big deal to me.

Probably not as big a scandal as it should have been (that's a common theme in articles I found to refresh the details)

The announcer, who only moved to the booth after not being retained as an assistant coach when Grobe was let go, was passing plays along to quite a few teams, including Louisville, Army, and Va Tech. His contact at Va Tech? Shane Beamer.

The Athletic dives into WakeyLeaks, and players' reactions on its impact

If it is true, it's a huge deal. Michigan is currently under investigation for other rules violations that included suspensions for Harbaugh and another coach. If they're out there breaking more rules in the middle of that investigation, this doesn't go well for them (assuming the NCAA has any teeth left).

I'm guessing there's something behind this more than complaints if the NCAA notified the Big Ten and their future opponents.

For the benefit of those of us without a subscription to Online Athens, I am assuming this is what Jon was talking about.

Former Georgia LB Juwan Taylor testifies former teammate was involved in 2021 shooting - On3

Someone posted a video clip of a halftime interview of Greg Schiano where he mentions 2-3 times something going on out there that we need to stop, which in retrospect seems like it has something to do with signs or something other than just the way his team is playing.

My bad, if anybody couldn't see it.

AFAIK their online still allows three free page views a month so I figured linking here would get anybody in that wanted to read it.

Michigan staffer eyed as center of 'elaborate' scouting scheme, sources say - ESPN

I may be putting two plus two together and getting fifteen but as soon as they mentioned a source with knowledge of Michigan's staff, my immediate thought was this guy.

Michigan says it had proof against fired assistant Matt Weiss - ESPN

No doubt had an axe to grind and most likely would have known about such a program. I am also having a really hard time believing Jim Harbaugh had no knowledge if this if it is true. IDk, maybe he knew what the guy's job was but didn't know he was using illegal resources? It seems far fetched that he wouldn't know.

I would say that falls under 'institutional control'. I.e., if he didn't know, he should have.

I got that part. I know he is guilty of it whether he had knowledge or not. I am just saying I don't find it likely he wouldn't have known.

WKU cannot be the first school to think of this. This is pretty neat.

Western Kentucky just CHANGED the game with different decals for each position group �� pic.twitter.com/NL915vx4L7

— College Football Report (@CFBRep) October 20, 2023

Why is their mascot Sexy Red Grimace

I mean the WFL tried doing different pants for different position groups.

Also I think I saw something where FSU did this back in the 60s. Or at least for offense/defense/two-way.

Army did this years ago where each position group wore the decal of a different division.

I’m pretty sure one of the service academies did this recently. Maybe Navy.

Holy shit, Fox. College football doesn't need 20 minutes of you dicking around.

LOOK: Navy to wear 7 different, hand-painted helmets for Army game - CBSSports.com

The refs just scored 14 points on Penn State in one series.

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What call did you disagree with? The penalties were all obvious.


Edit to add that the personal foul call could have been skipped but it was still 2nd and goal from the 2.

I'd probably boo for taking a knee with three timeouts left too.

First half McCord means you take the knee. Both QBs have had rough starts but McCord has been a mess.

You have to catch that punt, Penn St. returner guy

This OSU - PSU game is pretty boring. Both teams look bad.

Maybe Iowa was all the Big Tens we watched along the way.

Kodos, save your mustard for Minnesota- Iowa. Going to be a barn burner!

Go Gophers!

"We've secretly replaced the Penn State offense with Iowa's - let's see if they notice!"

So I assume Penn State thought they wouldn't get the ball back if they punted? Seemed early for 4th down try in a 1 score game in your own half.

I was worried about Allard, but he's looked really rough today.

Marvin Harrison is the best player on the field and Allar is seeing ghosts.

It's always good to see James Franklin looking lost on the sideline.

It's time to talk to your children about bowl eligible Rutgers

UCF trying to tie and decides, what if we go for the dumbest fucking 2 point try from the 3?

Iowa wearing their classic black and barf colors

I feel dirty typing this. Go Vols! Great opening drive.

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Tennessee has to settle for FG twice in the Redzone is going to come back and bite them. You have to bury Alabama when you have the chance.

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Yeah, I'm not sounding the Upset Alert horn just yet (even if the teams are more evenly judged then normal, it's freaking Alabama, Tennessee winning would be considered an upset)... but another score or two would help. And stopping them just outside FG range just a minute ago will help

Tennessee comes out at halftime and just repeatedly kick themselves in the nuts.

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God I hope no one is watching this game

Vols are coached by a man with the IQ of a turnip.

The exact words I'm thinking watching this WVU-Oklahoma State game. Andrew Wilson-Lamp for WVU just did the dumbest and most ridiculous thing I've ever seen a WVU player do on the field.

I'm not posting. I'm sure it's on twitter. Probably worth finding.

Tennessee completely self-destructing.

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Fire Neal Brown

Who wants to lose this game more?

Hawkeye fans throwing stuff on the field and at Gopher players on the sideline. No flag

@tarcone bowl game

What a crap way to lose that game for Iowa.

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Never let the officials decide the game.

Not unexpected. Saves me money as I will go to neither the B1G game or Bowl.

Amazing the refs made the correct call on that after every other call going against the Gophers

I guess the bloom is off the rose for Texas, but they are up 7 with Houston driving inside the 20, 2 minutes left.

That loss and the one other ahead makes it easier to get rid of BF at least. Not that it will happen.

Texas just got gifted a win. They ruled a guy down inches short of a 1st down and apparently refused to review it even though the replay clearly showed that he made the 9 yard line. Should have been a 1st and goal, instead they called a crappy rollout on 4th and didn't get it. What garbage.

My son sent me to Twitter, said "you gotta find that Iowa play if you didn't see it"

Okay, I find a clip. What I see -- without any context or knowledge of why I was watching mind you -- was a guy making a half-assed fair catch signal. The clip ended right after he caught the ball. My assumption, watching the same clip three times, was that he must have gotten hit and fumbled after the fair catch or something.

Only afterwards do I discover what actually unfolded.

Iowa had 2 yards in the 2nd half.
Iowa had 3.7 times as many punting yards as offensive yards.
Iowa ran 28 times for 11 yards.
Iowa had 8 first downs and 6 penalties.

Complimentary football

I don't know what Norvell is doing but I already had a bad feeling about this game and this ain't helping. We haven't run the ball up the middle consistently all year and you do that crap on a 4th down on your side of the 50.

Yeah just saw the replay on that-wow.

Crazy sequence in Miami-Clemson game.

Clemson's QB fumbles right before crossing the goal line. Miami recovers.
On the very next play, Miami's RB breaks a long run, but is caught right at the end and fumbles. A trailing Miami player recovers it in the end zone for the TD.

Grayson McCall has now set Coastal Carolina's total career passing yards record with several games to go,

5 Travis Kelce commercials in a single commercial break is a bit much.

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Can’t wait to hear the excuses for this one. Remember when we used to worry about other program’s hiring our coaches away? Knowing him, we will somehow win 3 more games and save his job for another year.

I gotta give props to Okie St. fans. There were a surprising amount at the game today.

It’s a weird world where he and Ryan Fitzpatrick are seemingly the two most marketable NFL guys.

We have a booster ready to cut the check to fire him right now. He was ready last week, the week before, ect. We have many more on board so he wouldn't have to shoulder that load himself. It was Gee's call last offseason it's going to be Gee's call again. Wren has some say, but until Gee is gone everything to do with the athletic department runs through him.

The worst part is that I think we beat teams with less talent earlier in the season, but, with any discipline whatsoever, we should have won these last two by 10+ each, in my opinion.

I can't believe what I just saw in the Virginia-UNC game. 2 yards from a TD to grab a near-certain win, they fumble it out of the end zone for a touchback.

In one night, the ACC just double-shot their CFP hopes in both balls.

Then of course he had to be taken off the field on a stretcher on a unpenalized very late hit. Not a fan of how Ark St played this game glad we beat then 27-17

Michigan State put up more Hitlers on their scoreboard than points tonight.

I'm happy for this to be a freezing cold take. At least 50%.

How has Cristobal been a coach this long with so many clueless fucking decisions?

Can you imagine being a player and trying to find the will to compete despite playing for Cristobal?

I mean, no matter the outcome, under the circumstances there hasn't been a lack of effort by the players. That says ... something, if nothing else.

I don't care if the Canes pull this out, that sequence at the end of regulation is just incredibly dumb.

Miami had the momentum, a good kicker, plenty of time, and a timeout. To play for OT there is both dumb and cowardly. And even if you're playing for OT because you're worrying about a turnover, he STILL CALLED A HANDOFF INSTEAD OF KNEELING.

Well, why throw the two passes earlier in the possession if you're gonna do what brainless did at the end?

I'm telling ya, they need to piss test that clown. No way he's not on something.

....and that's the play Dabo went with

Washington watched FSU's 1Q and said hold my beer. They'll still win by double digits because ASU has zero points but Penix has 2 INT and a lost fumble.

EDIT: OK, they converted the fumble into a TD (missed a FG earlier).

Not sure Riley doesn't have a moving van in front of his house whenever he gets home.

I say "whenever" cause surely they won't let him get on the plane back to Clemson.

Game of the night - 0-6 Nevada 6, SDSU 0. That must have been a thrilling game to watch.

Under 450 yards total combined between the 2 teams but just one TO, a lost fumble. 12 punts combined. This was just pathetically bad offense.

Miss St- Arky had a 7-3 final with 405 total yards.

The job done by Arkansas coaching to hold KJ Jefferson in such check is remarkable.

Yeah but that's the SEC - obviously an incredible defensive battle.

I've calmed down enough to post it now.

West Virginia player accidentally trucks his own teammate for fumble - ESPN Video

Can a player get called for targeting on a teammate? Asking for a friend.

Wow Arizona State

Dabo throwing his QB under the bus after the game. Damn.

Well, if Klubnik changed the play that was called then there's what feels like an obvious question: did he audible at the line, or did he give the wrong play in the huddle? Assuming he has the freedom to audible there, then that's kinda one thing. If he doesn't, or made up his own mind coaching be damned then that's kind of another (and he kinda belongs under the bus).

And before anybody thinks that's a crazy question, uh, have you watched Clemson? As completely clueless as they appear offensively, I believe either is possible.

Can't we just agree there was a lot of offensive offensive football played today? The only TD in Iowa-Minnesota was because of 33 penalty yards on a 46 yard drive. The teams combined for 366 yards of offense with their QBs going 20-53 combined.

They just wanted to remind people how great football was in the 50s.

Thank you for triggering me this morning

They dominated the game but got only 7 points off of 4 TOs. Washington ran for 13 yards, got no TD passes from Penix, and still won.

Regardless of whether this is actually what happened, this made me LOL.

Dabo, Riley, & Cade in a nutshell pic.twitter.com/2gxeC2S2Th

— Tiger Commenter (@TigerCommenter) October 22, 2023

Also...

Montana State's 6-foot-9 kicker damn near kicked it out of the stadium ���� pic.twitter.com/r7Sg0Mz6tO

— Joshua Sánchez (@jnsanchez) October 22, 2023

Where Hitler was born https://t.co/HdKIRW2xTw

— Bunkie Perkins (@BunkiePerkins) October 22, 2023

Breaking: Arkansas has fired offensive coordinator Dan Enos, sources tell @247Sports. Receivers coach Kenny Guiton will be elevated to interim OC.

Hogs are coming off a 7-3 loss to Mississippi State. Hogs' O has been a disaster, ranking 119th in total offense at 305.9 ypg. pic.twitter.com/yuQiD2aqm1

— Brandon Marcello (@bmarcello) October 22, 2023

Why rub it in my face?