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path12 07-17-2007 06:04 PM

Well, I have to leave soon and don't know that I'll be back by deadline. Don't like my choices, but don't want to throw away the vote either. Maybe this will tell us something around deadline.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 06:15 PM

Did BS say if he'd be back before deadline? If so presumably DT is in the lead.

st.cronin 07-17-2007 06:22 PM

I have it tied, BK. You, me, and Telle voting for bullet, and JE, Swaggs, and path voting for DT.

LoneStarGirl 07-17-2007 06:22 PM

Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady? ;)

Passacaglia 07-17-2007 06:25 PM

Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Swaggs 07-17-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1503882)
Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST


I don't really think AE is an android and I'm not sure he should be on the block today.

I think it would be a good idea, for the folks with the ability, to check both he and I out tonight. I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.

Chief Rum 07-17-2007 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503428)
One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.


Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up. :)

st.cronin 07-17-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1503892)
I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.


I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.

Chief Rum 07-17-2007 07:20 PM

I doubt he's a wolf, but it's a better shot than anyone else has given us, IMO.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I would sit and hang out, but I am off to the second job soon. See you all tonight.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1503915)
Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up. :)

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

Alan T 07-17-2007 07:35 PM

So I see the vote currently as:

4 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259)
3 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251)
2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211)
2 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255)
1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (183)
1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151)
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172)
1 - KWhit - twothree (194)

not voted:

1. Alan T
13. DaddyTorgo
18. ardent enthusiast

I assume if DT comes back before deadline he'll vote Bulletsponge to keep himself safer, and if I go elsewhere, then its a pretty decisive vote margin.. If I vote DT to keep things close, right now it would be a tie if DT doesn't come back.. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

I know I am about to open a can of worms here, but in this case where we don't really learn anything from the lynch.. could it be said that a tie here isn't a bad thing?

Alan T 07-17-2007 07:38 PM

Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

RendeR 07-17-2007 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 1503879)
Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady? ;)



Nope, just trying to be loud and obnoxious as always =)

Swaggs 07-17-2007 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1503918)
I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.


It may be a stretch, I don't know.

I just know that, in the movie, Sean Young's character didn't know she was a replicant, but I think she figured out that she had some memories from one of the programmer's daughters or something.

My PM, after giving me the details of my dream, clearly told me that I am a human. So, if I am a replicant, it would be news to me. But, it is odd that two of us have the same memory.

tanglewood 07-17-2007 07:44 PM

Day 1 Votecount

bulletsponge - 4 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum
DaddyTorgo - 4 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 2 Lathum, RendeR
Passacaglia - 1 bulletsponge
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

15 minutes to deadline.

Swaggs 07-17-2007 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503934)
I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.


What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:46 PM

I figure that there are two possibilities about a person not knowing they were a replicant:
1. It's a conversion possibility
2. They count towards the victory total though the replicants don't know that

If it's the second case I would guess there would be perhaps only two players who know they're wolves. This would also balance nicely against the handicap faced by no death reveal.

tanglewood 07-17-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1503947)
Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?


There is a game mechanic to decide ties. It is not related to any player role.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1503956)
What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.

Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.

Alan T 07-17-2007 07:47 PM

Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo

path12 07-17-2007 07:48 PM

Interesting that bullet's vote is still on Pass. I'd have figured he'd have tied it up by now.

st.cronin 07-17-2007 07:49 PM

Alan, tangle just posted that there is a tiebreaker. So there will be a lynch.

Swaggs 07-17-2007 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503961)
Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.


Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1503971)
Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.

If he doesn't die today I will likely vote for him again tomorrow. And keep on that course until there appears to be a better way. He's my first choice, you're 1A

st.cronin 07-17-2007 07:52 PM

Swaggs, I took BK to mean that he was committed to a lynch of bullet for today, and that tomorrow, barring new information, he was inclined to vote for you. If I've misunderstood him, he can correct me, but that's what I thought he was saying.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1503964)
Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo

I like the fact that you voted your conscience even if I don't quite understandw hy.

bulletsponge 07-17-2007 07:54 PM

unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

st.cronin 07-17-2007 07:55 PM

Gah, looks like two players are going to miss the vote.

RendeR 07-17-2007 07:56 PM

I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:


UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

RendeR 07-17-2007 07:58 PM

TICK TOCK

path12 07-17-2007 07:58 PM

Interesting.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge (Post 1503978)
unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1503984)
I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:


UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I don't like this vote at all.

RendeR 07-17-2007 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503993)
Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.



Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?:D

tanglewood 07-17-2007 08:01 PM

Voting closed.

st.cronin 07-17-2007 08:01 PM

Tied at the deadline.

path12 07-17-2007 08:01 PM

Tie, right?

Swaggs 07-17-2007 08:02 PM

Well played first day for us, I suspect.

I think this vote could be very telling in a couple of days.

RendeR 07-17-2007 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503994)
I don't like this vote at all.



Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

tanglewood 07-17-2007 08:03 PM

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

st.cronin 07-17-2007 08:03 PM

My guess is DT is off to Mars. He's on quite the roll for early exits.

Telle 07-17-2007 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1503934)
I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.


What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1503997)
Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?:D

I got his vote. It's your vote I don't like or particularly understand.

bulletsponge 07-17-2007 08:07 PM

am i dead?

path12 07-17-2007 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1504002)
I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.


So if it had been you in bullet's spot, you wouldn't have changed your vote to save yourself? Really?

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1504008)
What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?

Well if we knew the results of BS I would more likely be willing to go after DT. I just refuse to believe that two wolves slipped up. It's happened before, but... So since we don't find out if BS is a wolf or not, I'm going to assume he is and so I will not condemn DT for the same reason as BS. I would certainly be willing to look at him, however. I just like Swaggs better at this point. However, as I think about it Render's late vote to condemn BS, and save DT, when we have a tie mechanism in place is quite fishy and suggests that perhaps DT was bad after all. I hate not finding out if we were right or wrong.

path12 07-17-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge (Post 1504013)
am i dead?


You're tied with DT. And it's dinner time. Back in awhile.

tanglewood 07-17-2007 08:10 PM

The votes are taken and after much argument, DaddyTorgo is chosen to voluenteer for Mars duty. Everyone wishes him well as he leaves for the shuttleport, though they know the fate that awaits him. If he is a Replicant he is doomed to his slave-like existence in terrible conditions for until the inevitable expiration. If he is human, then the same.

Night actions are due in before 10am EST.

Barkeep49 07-17-2007 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1504002)
Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

Wait a second. Let's say he's a villager. Why in the world should he be willing to sacrifice himself instead of someone else, who might or might not be a villager? When you're a villager the almost always best way to help the villagers win is to prevent yourself from being lynched. We don't want villagers to die and so a villager should always try and help a known villager. And you're always a known villager to yourself. I hope that makes sense.

Jonathan Ezarik 07-17-2007 08:12 PM

Did DaddyTorgo post anything after he announced that he was human? Did he give some kind of defense that I missed as I read through the posts?


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