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sterlingice 04-19-2023 01:55 PM

"Well-regulated", right?


SI

miami_fan 04-19-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3398987)
I don't agree with your premise. The means to determine if a weapon are legally acquired or not still exists, it has not been removed/taken away.


If you are speaking about weapons purchased from Federal Firearms dealers or someone else who is willing to put in the extra effort, it does exist for the most part as long as:

A) Your background check comes back with an immediate Yes or a Yes is given within the three day window. If it does not come back with a No after that three day period, the dealer still has the option to sell it to you. The FBI has 90 days including that three day waiting period to continue to investigate your background. After 90 days, if they have not decided Yes or No, they delete the background check. Actually they delete the background after 88 days to ensure that it is deleted by the 90 day mark.

Funny sidenote- If the FBI figures out after the three day waiting period but before the 88 day mark that you should not be allowed to purchase a weapon, they contact the dealer to see if they sold you the gun. The dealer does not have to tell them if they did or not but if the dealer says that they did sell you the weapon, the FBI is supposed to send the ATF to go pick up the weapons.

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Using Politifact metrics, for at least 78-87% it is relatively easy as the background check exist. For the other 13-22%, it is more difficult. It is not instantaneous (e.g. cop calling it in after a car was stopped) but it can still be done for some of the 13-22%.

Yeah about this study.

Just a moment...

It is sort of a devils in the details situation for me. Yes, 22% of all gun owners who reported obtaining their most recent firearm within the previous 2 years (2013-2015) reported doing so without a background check. Yes, among gun owners who acquired their most recent firearm within the same time frame by way of purchase, 13% did so without getting a background check. However, digging a bit deeper, 80% of the purchases were made in a store from what I assume is a Federal Firearms dealer. Those purchases contributed only 4% of the purchases made without background checks. In the other categories (Family, Friend/Acquaintance, Online and Other) the gun owners were able to make at least 45% of those purchases without a background check. Gun owners who purchased their most recent gun from a friend or an acquaintance within that time frame, 77% did so without a background check. For those purchasing online, 45% did not have a background check. If they were gifted a weapon, 57% got them without a background check. Overall, across all periods, 42% acquired their most recent firearm without a background check.

I don't know what the breakdown is of where gun purchases are happening in 2023. But if the trend is like other consumer items we are making less purchases in store or from traditional store websites etc. and more through other means. The data suggests that those other means are less likely to provide us with the means to determine if weapons are legally acquired or not. Again, if that is important to us. If people are asking why do LEOs need to determine if their weapons was legally acquired or not if they are not under suspicion as you suggested and take steps to make the determination almost impossible, it may not be that important at all.

molson 04-19-2023 03:40 PM

Police don't and probably can't check whether a gun was legally acquired, they check whether a person isn't allowed to have a gun through a regular check that can be done at traffic stops or when someone is detained for something else - are they a felon, are they on probation, do they have a no-contact order. I see those kinds of charges all the time, even in Idaho. But without that, the default assumption is that it's legal

CrimsonFox 04-19-2023 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3399071)



RainMaker 04-19-2023 05:03 PM

jfc


GrantDawg 04-19-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3399068)
It was Covid when lawncare & other folks would ring/knock and step back from the door, like down my 2 steps. In retrospect, this is probably the safest thing to do nowadays.

I knock on peoples doors every day, and I always do this. I did this well before Covid. It is just smart not to try to look menacing when you are at someones door.

Lathum 04-19-2023 06:22 PM

Little girl, parents shot after basketball rolls into gunman's yard in Gastonia; suspect sought: police

Lathum 04-19-2023 07:08 PM

Maine killings: Man recently released from prison confessed to quadruple murder of parents and friends, state police say | CNN

RainMaker 04-19-2023 07:11 PM



Why don't kids want to play outside anymore?

JonInMiddleGA 04-19-2023 07:13 PM


Worth noting that this fella was free on bond after allegedly taking a "mini sledgehammer" (?) to his then-girlfriend. He reportedly wouldn't allow her to leave for several hours until after she'd cleaned up the mess from the attack.

Not that he might be prone to random acts of violence or anything.

Ghost Econ 04-20-2023 06:04 AM

Should have claimed self defense, then all charges would be dropped.

Columbus police explain why charges dropped against Krieg Butler | 10tv.com

The story is, black kid was playing in his yard. White dude drove over and opened fire. They arrested him for murder but dropped the charges because he claimed self-defense. 3 months later and still nothing.

GrantDawg 04-20-2023 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3399149)
Should have claimed self defense, then all charges would be dropped.

Columbus police explain why charges dropped against Krieg Butler | 10tv.com

The story is, black kid was playing in his yard. White dude drove over and opened fire. They arrested him for murder but dropped the charges because he claimed self-defense. 3 months later and still nothing.

That one of those little things they slipped into these gun laws. They are making it hard to charge people with gun crimes as long as they use a few magic words.

Ghost Econ 04-20-2023 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3399152)
That one of those little things they slipped into these gun laws. They are making it hard to charge people with gun crimes as long as they use a few magic words.


"Self-defence" is just a safer way of saying, "he's black"

GrantDawg 04-20-2023 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3399166)
"Self-defence" is just a safer way of saying, "he's black"

That is absolutely the foal, but if they put it like that in the law, it would it never stand Constitutional scrutiny. Though who knows with this SC. They may go back to the 3/5th's doctrine at any time.

RainMaker 04-21-2023 06:31 PM

Probably didn't need the mugshot as we all know what he looked like from the headline. They also went light on charges, we can all guess why.


Atocep 04-21-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3399288)
Probably didn't need the mugshot as we all know what he looked like from the headline. They also went light on charges, we can all guess why.


I sleep better knowing our well regulated militia are out there keeping us safe.

CrimsonFox 04-22-2023 12:01 AM

I guess he thought it was the gay bar and wanted his meat now

Edward64 04-23-2023 12:17 AM

New gun ownership is increasing. And it's just not "Bubba". Demographics are changing.

There's some other stats in the article but they weren't specific to new gun owners.

US gun sales rise amid spate of mass shootings | CNN
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“Sometime between 2016 and 2019, the new gun owners were more likely to be female and Black than prior to that
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The Northeastern and Harvard study found that nearly 3% of US adults, or 7.5 million people, bought guns for the first time from January 2019 to April 2021. About half of the new gun owners were female, 20% were Black, and 20% were Hispanic. Overall, gun owners were 63% male and 73% White.
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“The face of gun ownership is changing somewhat and the people who are becoming new gun owners today are less likely to be male and more likely to be non-White, more likely to be somewhat younger than existing and long-standing gun owners,” Miller said.
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“A rather large slice of our current clientele is female. We sponsor a shooting group for women… Right now there is no clear (line) – Republican or Democrat or Independent – buying guns.”

stevew 04-23-2023 02:12 AM

I know how 93% of men with Goatees vote.

JonInMiddleGA 04-23-2023 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3399356)
New gun ownership is increasing. And it's just not "Bubba". Demographics are changing.


Yeah, that fits what I see/hear/perceive.

I probably know as many women who carry a handgun* daily as I do men tbh.
Now long barrels, that still feels heavily skewed male to me.

(*now lemme be clear: I'm saying carry not own )

Sweed 04-23-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3399356)
New gun ownership is increasing. And it's just not "Bubba". Demographics are changing.

There's some other stats in the article but they weren't specific to new gun owners.

US gun sales rise amid spate of mass shootings | CNN


The NRA and gun manufacturers getting their wish? You make the country a wide open wild west and folks that, previously, would never buy or carry now feel a need?

JPhillips 04-23-2023 11:02 AM

And hasn't that always been the goal for gun manufacturers? Guns last a long time, so they don't often need replacing, but most Americans don't own guns, so...

Edward64 04-23-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3399369)
You make the country a wide open wild west and folks that, previously, would never buy or carry now feel a need?


Probably.

My guess the #1 answer to why is protection.

flere-imsaho 04-23-2023 07:01 PM

You are correct, Edward: Key facts about Americans and guns.

Lots of other interesting tidbits in there.

RainMaker 04-23-2023 08:32 PM

Seems bad that you can just legally open fire on a delivery driver for pulling in the wrong driveway, but maybe this homeowner fit a certain demographic.


Florida couple delivering Instacart groceries shot at after driving to wrong address | WFLA

Atocep 04-23-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3399429)
Seems bad that you can just legally open fire on a delivery driver for pulling in the wrong driveway, but maybe this homeowner fit a certain demographic.


Florida couple delivering Instacart groceries shot at after driving to wrong address | WFLA


So in this situation if the instacart driver had pulled a gun, fired back, and killed the homeowner. Are they protected by self defense? How does that work with castle doctrine and stand your ground laws? Is it just an endless logic circle?

miami_fan 04-24-2023 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3399432)
So in this situation if the instacart driver had pulled a gun, fired back, and killed the homeowner. Are they protected by self defense? How does that work with castle doctrine and stand your ground laws? Is it just an endless logic circle?


We will probably find out sooner rather than later.

RainMaker 04-24-2023 09:18 PM

I delivered pizzas in high school and am glad it was a different time back then. Way too many nuts out there.

CrimsonFox 04-30-2023 05:57 PM

Texas massacre manhunt: 200 officers are searching for suspect accused of killing his neighbors. Authorities are offering $80,000 for information | CNN

CrimsonFox 04-30-2023 06:00 PM

Another yadayadayada

Lathum 04-30-2023 06:09 PM


This dude is in Mexico. They aren't finding him

RainMaker 04-30-2023 07:19 PM

Surprised this piece of shit didn't offer a pardon. An 8-year old died and 2 mothers died shielding their kids. He describes the victims as illegal immigrants instead.




Lathum 04-30-2023 07:37 PM

Jesus Christ. The lack of humanity...

CrimsonFox 04-30-2023 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3400306)
This dude is in Mexico. They aren't finding him


If only they hadn't run into the wall while chasing him they would have caught him.

RainMaker 04-30-2023 08:52 PM

A&M-Texarkana baseball player hit in chest by stray bullet during game, police say

CrimsonFox 05-01-2023 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3400317)



cuervo72 05-01-2023 07:43 AM

Texas apparently needs better leash laws.

NobodyHere 05-01-2023 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3400317)


We need to spay an neuter bullets so we don't have a bunch of strays flying around.

Edward64 05-01-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3400338)
We need to spay an neuter bullets so we don't have a bunch of strays flying around.


I'm trying to understand this ... but failing.

henry296 05-01-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3400344)
I'm trying to understand this ... but failing.


spay and neuter prevents stray animals.

albionmoonlight 05-01-2023 10:39 AM

For the GOP, "illegal" means "not white"

Lathum 05-01-2023 12:08 PM

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Atocep 05-01-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3400332)
Texas apparently needs better leash laws.


Where was the good guy with a stray bullet?

RainMaker 05-01-2023 01:20 PM

This reminds me of the NextDoor app during Halloween. Bunch of weirdos threatening to point guns at trick or treaters if they ring their bell.


stevew 05-02-2023 07:32 PM

They supposedly have the neighbor killer guy in custody.

RainMaker 05-02-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400348)
For the GOP, "illegal" means "not white"



CrimsonFox 05-03-2023 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3400491)
They supposedly have the neighbor killer guy in custody.


Access Denied

Killer in custody; sheriff takes break from trick or treating as a cowboy to announce this

Galaril 05-03-2023 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3399411)
Probably.

My guess the #1 answer to why is protection.


From what? Other people with guns?

sterlingice 05-03-2023 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3400494)
Jesse Watters: "Now, I saw on the way in to work an illegal immigration family digging through the trash looking for recyclables."

Jessica Tarlov: "How did you know they were illegal?"

Watters: "You can tell." pic.twitter.com/PyQxdrScgc
— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) May 2, 2023



Someone's clearly gunning for Tucker's old spot


SI

Edward64 05-03-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3400511)
From what? Other people with guns?


If it's other law abiding people with guns, no.

From criminal elements, yes.

From criminal elements with guns, yes.


EDIT: from Cocaine Bears, definitely yes.


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