You're a glass half empty guy aren't you :)

Com'on, this is a big-enough-of-a-win to celebrate some even if it is only 85% accurate.

I'm glad we're working towards a fast test. And, yes, 85% would be something. But, c'mon, a 102 person test and not validated by the FDA (which is rushing to fast track stuff as is)? That's awful science. Wait 2 more weeks and test hundreds more. It's not as if we're lacking for test subjects when we have tens of thousands getting infected daily.

Scientifically, it's maybe a step above, say, using a 42 patient study with disparate cohorts to prove a particular drug works to cure an ailment.

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The U.S. is pulling out of a multi-nation effort to produce a vaccine and going alone.

That's because Trump is forcing through a vaccine and wants to take total credit for it before the election.

The Rock has announced he's gotten the covid.

Here's wishing he drops the People's Elbow on it.

BREAKING: #PennState's director of athletic medicine, Wayne Sebastianelli, says that cardiac MRI scans revealed that roughly 30-35 percent of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis. https://t.co/md4p1IoaLh

— Parth Upadhyaya (@pupadhyaya_) September 3, 2020

That....doesn’t sound good.

Similar story recently about a top French rugby team, but lung damage

Coronavirus: Stade Francais rugby players develop lung lesions after contracting COVID-19 | World News | Sky News

Edit: although after a bit more reading up on what lung lesions are, and how they are caused / treated, this one falls into the overly scary headline. Benign lung lesions often form after pneumonia, and are easily treated with antibiotics

Fuck this fucking virus. Heart damage. Lung damage.

What the fucking fuck.

Stop being such a stupid fucking virus.

I'm sure a certain segment of the population will be like "Life's full of risk and uncertainty. Play on!"

There's always been a decent number of people willing to risk your life for their own gain

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Or even just for their entertainment.

I'm curious if that rate is any different for non-athletes? I'm guessing they didn't get the expensive MRI test.

So the sexy new COVID theory (I mean a science-based one, not some bullshit peddling one like the 6% thing) is around something called bradykinin (which, honestly, I'd never heard of before yesterday):

Is a Bradykinin Storm Brewing in COVID-19? | The Scientist Magazine®
https://elemental.medium.com/a-super...d-31cb8eba9d63

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Yeah, that was the crux of what spurred my comment. We’re not far enough into this thing to have even an intuitive feel for long-term impacts, and the great majority of people who are infected and recover aren’t getting an MRI.

Kirk Cousins says hello.

Hopefully, these are short term problems that will heal, but we just don't know. Will these heart problems linger for athletes? Will it shorten careers? Does it raise the risk of early death? Maybe we don't need to assume the worst case, but I think we need to take precautions because we don't know what it is coming for people five, ten, thirty years down the line.

don't choose to live in fear, man!

I usually have the urge to punch those folks in the face.

them and the "it's just the flu, people!" people are funny. I know the flu is theoretically deadly but it literally never enters my calculations. This isn't super deadly or anything but all those unknown side effects are enough to give me pause.

We spent all weekend with our friends who are covid deniers and “it’s just the flu” - plus they know a nurse and they don’t have any covid patients so it’s a big hoax.

My answer to that was basically sure it’s the flu - if we didn’t have 100 years of knowledge on how to treat and care for at risk people who have the flu or any vaccine for said people. I mean let’s not forget that the worse pandemic in modern history was “just” the flu.

So was Captain Trips.

Let alone that as far as I can tell anybody who thinks "it's just the flu" isn't even accounting for the concept of ANOTHER ongoing flu when they say that.....they think that saying "covid is just the flu" somehow means (results-of-covid)+(results-of-flu)=(results-of-flu).

Summer colds are the worst

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Local news station posted an article about a Canadian health expert recommending people wear masks during sex, and someone commented: "Does a ball gag count"? Ha!

Interesting article on the covid impact on real estate in cities. Basically people are moving out of bigger cities like NY, Boston, LA, SF and going to cheaper places like suburbia or even lower cost of living states like FL.

I love to visit NYC but can't imagine living there long-term in an apartment that is 1/3 the size of my house in Atlanta at 2-3 times the cost.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/succe...rbs/index.html

I have mentioned before, but the Real Estate market here is insane. Houses don't last two days on the market.

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OTOH, I'm starting to see some early signs of a housing market crash in Las Vegas. It might just be people way overvaluing their properties initially, but I'm seeing a lot of places get price drops lately.

We live on the Jersey Shore, about an hour south of NYC. Train station to NYC 5 minutes away. Bus station 5 minutes away. Beach 5 minutes away. Real estate here is flying. Friend listed her deceased fathers house and got an offer for full asking price, 560K, the same day they listed it.

How Covid-19 Coronavirus May Cause Heart Damage, Here Are Two New Studies



And you know what ? Most of them will be fine for years. But any sort of heart damage is not sth i would want to start carrying around any more/earlier than necessary. Kinda need that thing humming smoothly, as well as them lungs, for quality of life i'd say.

I get that heart damage is a side effect. While I haven't done extensive research, I haven't seen anything that tells me being a member of a college football team increases the risk of either contracting COVID-19 or having more significant impacts from it. Therefore, having on campus college or not is the question but if you decide to have students on campus then you should also allow football. I don't think having students on campus is the right thing, but I think you should make a consistent decision between your general student population and your athletes.

I assume you are referring to Covington which is midway between Atlanta and Augusta? I wouldn't think there is substantial house price or COL difference between Atlanta and Covington.

What do you attribute the hot market to? Is it people moving away from Atlanta or not a lot of houses for sale because people are sitting tight?

I went on zillow to check my house valuation. It hasn't budged much if at all and there hasn't been a lot of recent sales (red dot markers). I am a little surprised because during the GR there were noticeably many more zillow red dots in the neighborhood.

Just one data point that indicates that this melt down isn't quite as bad as the GR (or at least, not yet) to homeowners. I am guessing that commercial real estate (as in office space) will be substantially hurt as companies renegotiates to reduce their sq ft in 2-3-4 years.

Football observes far fewer of the masking/distancing rules than is expected from the general student population. Many "normal" college activities are not taking place this semester. For example, I'm not able to produce a play due to safety concerns for the actors/crew.

How does Hesse rhyme with "bench press"?

I am dealing mostly with Conyers-Covington-Loganville-Monroe-Madison. All of those areas seem to be selling like hot-cakes. I am mostly seeing people moving out of Atlanta, or people that may have went north of Atlanta last year, but choose to move here instead because of the house pricing being lower. All the people that are selling (almost every single one) are looking to move further out (Madison mostly). They all seem to want the same thing, a few acres to build a house on that is not in a subdivision. I think only 10-20% already have a place in mind to move to when they sell. They have no idea that trying to buy less than 100 acres or more than a half acre lot in a subdivision is almost impossible out there.

I'm guessing that most if not all, of these people had not had MRIs before, so we don't know for sure that these conditions were not present beforehand too, especially those that will have no effects for years to come (and therefore if they were present pre-Covid would not have given any reason for the people to got to the doctors or have an MRI)

The only way we know for sure is to do MRIs for people who had already had MRIs before they were sick with Covid

Everyone who has land wants to sell it to a developer for the $$$. (Or in the case of 100+ acres, keep it farmland, I suppose.)

My brother lives in Bloomfield, a suburb of NYC right next to where we grew up (Montclair). He listed his house at 370k last week, probably a little under market. Went away for a few days to the shore and had 58 showings in the first 4 days and 12 offers. Ended up getting a contract at $430k with the buyer saying they would ignore the first 3k of inspection issues (if any) and would cover an appraisal difference up to $415k.

I just don't get it - where are the wages coming through to justify this because real wages are not moving like the real estate market is

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There are a ton of people with jobs that are leaving NYC. They are tired of paying big rent and can work from anywhere.

I think the scenario is people currently paying rent/mortgage in a big, expensive city moving to cheaper suburbia because they are now allowed to work remote. Wouldn't be surprised if they save money by moving to suburbia.

Which makes sense and I agree, but the weird thing is we're seeing houses moving like hotcakes in LA as well (2 of our friends have moved and got well above offering and part cash).

The 2 scenarios I can think of that make a little sense are either prospectors betting on a big rebound in 2021 or people who are moving out of expensive neighborhoods closer to LA to the Valley (because of remote work) but either way, we've seen the same and I have no idea who is buying 2 million dollar houses above asking prices in the middle of a pandemic, and it doesn't line up with the stats that show people leaving LA and California in droves.

I'll assume there was plenty of orientation about the rules and warning about dismissal if violated. Even so, if this was their first violation, I would be inclined to give them a no-third chance warning and have them quarantine themselves.

Don't agree about the keeping the $36,500 tuition if kicking them out though. Glad to see schools taking this seriously. I'll have to ask my kids about how serious their colleges really are.

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Only schools like Northwestern can get away with that. Less prestigious schools can't get away with stuff like that.

My old company learned the remote working lesson from Superstorm Sandy. They had a ton of office space in Manhattan but saw how effectively most people worked from home for several months when they had to, and during the next year took steps to get out of leases and use the remaining office space for "hotelling" people in and out of the office when needed.

Fast forward several years, and I talked to a guy who is based just outside NYC who is interviewing for my old job. He said the biggest appeal of it is that they will let him work anywhere he wants, so he and his wife are looking at it as an opportunity to pick any place in the country to move if he takes the job, and they have no interest in staying in or around NYC.

My cousin is one of those who moved out of nyc. Her long time boyfriend is high risk and they were uncomfortable with the impact of being in the city.


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Yep. Once my townhouse sells in Vegas (which has been no end of drama and expense and fuck the lazy shitstain asbestos tester when I bought the place - costing me almost $5,800 which pretty much wipes out all the profit I'll get from selling) and I buy the place here in town, my monthly housing costs go from $1,000 a month to like $350 a month. So that's $650 a month in my back pocket. Plus with the two jobs (teaching and copywriting), I'm making more money than I ever have before.

Radiology technicians (i know a few) do plenty of MRIs for checkups every week. That percentage is insanely unusual in any group and would border on the most coincidental coincidence in history. You don't even get close to that when you suspect sth to be wrong and test that amount of people.

And on top of that the study authors are not laypeople just looking at numbers/checking yes/no boxes etc either, you can judge very well how recent inflammation and other damage etc is from the images. You can say with high certainty the damage ocurred in the same timeframe they had Covid.

How is the copywriting business? Could you ever see that as bringing in the majority of your income one day?

I've read copywriting was something globe-trotting "digital nomads" can do (e.g. me in retirement).

We estimate that over 250,000 of the reported cases between August 2 and September 2 are due to the Sturgis Rally. Roughly 19 percent of the national cases during this timeframe. https://t.co/6tCCV6aXYf

— Andrew Friedson (@FriedsonAndrew) September 6, 2020

That's incredible.

Effing Smashmouth!

That seems a really high estimate

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Kristi Noem is going to be a problem. Something like letting Sturgis go on should tank any career she'd have in politics but I figure it will make her an early front runner in 2024.

This showed up in my email yesterday from my Dad. I simply LOLed back at him and then posted a link to stats that showed that the 11x less stat that's there was total bullshit. He didn't reply, but many of his like minded military buddies sure liked it.

Hopefully this isn't a big problem with the vaccine, but it's a good illustration of why you need complete testing for a drug you plan to give to tens of millions of people.

BREAKING: AstraZeneca's #Covid19 vaccine trials have been paused as the company investigates a serious adverse event the occurred in the UK. Not clear if the unexplained illness is linked to the vaccine, or what it was. https://t.co/wGqvvXIBTD

— Helen Branswell (@HelenBranswell) September 8, 2020

That Sturgis number seems high but didn't they find most of the cases in Italy could be traced back to a soccer match?

Some pretty good news I guess. Probably premature with the "near perfect" but I understand having to keep momentum for your company and play to the market.

There's a fair (or more than negligible) change that real & legit good/great vaccine news will come out before Nov.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/healt...grm/index.html

Good news for you!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/mort...-year-ago.html

Thanks for the read.

Theory that vitamin D may help.


And here's how to get vitamin D.

How to Get Vitamin D: 7 Effective Ways
1. Spend time in sunlight
2. Fatty fish and seafood
3. Mushrooms
4. Egg yolks
5. Fortified foods (cow, soy, almond, hemp milk; orange juice; tofu)
6. Supplements (vitamins). My multi-vitamin has 50% of recommended daily dose

Dude, Sportsdigs had this last week :p

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

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Sorry.

I never knew Andre 3000 was talking about coronavirus protection.

I was more busting Lathum's chops for the repost :p

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Should we expect a Covid treatment book from Canseco?

Email from my kid's school.

1 kid was at school displaying "Covid-Like Symptoms" (which is like, everything under the sun). Tested negative. However, they are still sending that kid's entire class home to quarantine for 2 weeks.

In short ... an entire classroom is sent home for 2 weeks because a kid had a cold. Or allergies.

Shit like that makes me crazy. You can’t go back to in person school then push the panic button when someone inevitably gets sick.

It’s like the whole thing is disingenuous. I’ve been more attuned to this with regard to higher eds that brought thousands of 18-22-year-olds on campus and then shut down over the inevitable asymptomatic positive tests, but it’s a similar dynamic here. If you were gonna shut down over sniffles, why’d you even bother opening in the first place???

Exactly.

It gets better here, too. Colorado has had major wildfire issues lately. Air quality has been shit. PLUS, we just went from 90 degrees on Sunday, to 30 degrees and snow. And it'll be back to 80 by Friday. Think that's not going to trigger allergies and colds? They'll be lucky to have a single class still in person if they're gonna keep this nonsense up.

From what I can tell - from a state that is largely keeping kids home - it's simply a political relief valve. Parents want their kids in school for a variety of reasons, and so in a bunch of places, school districts are going to give them what they want until there's justification to do what they should have done to begin with.

In sports, it's the equivalent of starting the senior because he's supposed to get the job and you don't want to hear it from the parents and letting him fail so you have clear-cut evidence that the freshman is better.

TBH a shortage of test subject monkeys never occurred to me.

COVID vaccine, treatment trials create monkey shortage for science

I wondered what PETA's stance is with coronavirus testing of animals and found a statement.

That's a good analogy.

When I was very first employed I ran across a job that was for something like "Head of Maintenance at an Animal Research Facility" and reading a little further it became obvious that they were looking for someone to clean up the chimp testing facility every day & they did their best to fill the ad with lots of positive talk of the benefits and the 'beautiful facilities' but I can't think of a worse job "No thanks, I'll keep my soul."

I want to believe test animals are treated as humanely as possible but my gut tells me it's maybe a couple levels better than a cow processing facility.

We tried to adopt a dog from the Beagle Freedom project - a group that adopts beagles out from testing facilities. Beagles are chosen for that role because they tend not to fight back no matter what testers do to them.

It's a very secretive process. The labs are willing to play ball and release some dogs to the group for adoption, but, for most of them, the group is not allowed to post the dogs online like a typical rescue might. They don't want anyone to know where the dogs come from exactly and what companies are involved. (This is mostly cosmetics and other household item testing done by large corporations). So you just put your name on a list and you might be contacted if the group is able to get dogs from a mystery lab in your area.

Hey, good for you. My opinion of you has gone up significantly! :)


You bring up a good point about cosmetics.

I know there is a lot of gray area. However, animal testing for coronavirus vaccine/therapeutics is a no brainer to me. Animal testing for cosmetics is unnecessary. I can't help but feel there is more animal testing than is actually needed because it's convenient or cost effective.

PSA: avoid eating inside a restaurant.

Haven't eaten inside a restaurant since forever now. We did contemplate eating outside at a Mellow Mushroom but decided against it. I do miss it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/healt...ess/index.html

A group of students knew they had covid-19. They hosted a party over Labor Day anyway.

I mean it's definitely student logic though... we all have Covid, so why can't we have a party together?

I can say there's a Pac12 baseball program that isn't making kids with clear COVID symptoms get tested, isn't doing tracing, and isn't having kids that do test positive notify their family, and quarantining is inconsistent based on who you are. One highly regarded freshman left last weekend and will likely transfer because of what's going on there.

ASU?

You got the last 2 letters correct.

Cougin it! hahah

Haven't eaten inside a restaurant since March 7th, I think it was. Wasn't planning on it until next year at earliest.

If we’re still not sure about the possibility that people with antibodies can be re-infected, does that also call into question our ability to create an effective vaccine?

It very much remains to be seen. But I think the consensus is that this will be more like the flu vaccine (yearly and quasi-effective) than, say, an MMR shot that you get one or twice and are done with. COVID-19 appears to mutate slower than the flu but still faster than many other viruses.

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What I have been reading is that we will, hopefully, be able to engineer a vaccine that produces better immunity than actual infection does.

And, hopefully, with yearly boosters, that supercharged immunity will be enough.

One of my friends has been trying to make the "Vid" a thing. We have to constantly tell him, there is already a shortened version of the name: "Rona".

Even before the shutdown and this became a big deal, whenever anyone in the office coughed or sneezed someone would say "You got da Rona!"

[sarcasm] Why do you hate our essential workers? Do you have turpentine in your soul?!? [/sarcasm]

Yeah. Why try to make something else a thing? Also when I hear Vid, I think of a YouTube video.

Does that help? Should we be doing that?!! ;)

The OSU athlete study is out. The 30-35% number is not accurate but out of 26 athletes scanned,

Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

Just trying to do a public service to keep the right wing extremists, right leaning moderates, left leaning moderates & left wing extremists folks on this board safe.

(And don't forget to take your vitamin D supplements)

We went to Costco early morning and picked up supplies (can't beat their bacon and some frozen meals).

Everyone was playing nice except for this woman who was louder than she needed to be when talking to her family, she had her mask under her nose. One of those covidiots.

BTW my regular Costco multi-vitamin (Kirkland brand) was only like 65% of Vitamin D daily dose and got some One-a-day which was like 125%. Beats me how really effective Vitamin D is but it does reassure me some that I now get more than the recommended daily dose.

From our favorite family doctor, he recommends Vitamin D & C.

The 2 Vitamins Dr. Fauci Says You Should Take to Boost Immunity

FWIW, somewhat reassuring graphic on 7 day average for deaths.

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We are soooooo bad at this.

If I were an old-school Soviet making the case for government control over everything, I'd point to 2020 U.S.A. as my primary evidence. SMH. https://t.co/OLqFoTRfzB

— Ben Lewis (@benelou) September 17, 2020