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In the League Cup there were two examples that should also cause concern: Spurs drew Orient, and offered Orient Covid tests FOC as they don’t get the level of testing a PL club gets. Orient had a number of positive results, the game was initially postponed, then Orient forced to forfeit as that was written into the Covid protocol in the even of positive tests West Ham offered their opponents Hull the same FOC tests, but Hull turned it down, saying they didn’t need to as their last tests were OK (League 1 clubs only had to test at the start of the season, and the tests are less sensitive than the PL tests), and the game went ahead, despite West Ham’s manager David Moyes and two of his players getting positive test results 90 minutes before kickoff. So Orient were effectively punished for doing the right thing on a national health level, and even worse lost out on a six figure sum as the match was supposed to be on TV, Hull got to play despite refusing tests, and West Ham got to play despite having positive results? This can’t be right either? |
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Lot's of theater buildings are going to be up for sale in the very near future. I don't now how many or if any will come back from this.
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Yeah, I've been wondering about all that theater real-estate and who that actually belongs to.
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The studios aren't willing to take losses on these movies to save the theaters in part because they want to eventually own the theaters themselves. This would have been illegal the last 60 years or so, but the wind is blowing the other way in some court decisions this year.
Disney would love it if to see the newest big Marvel movie (legally), you had to pay $40 or $50 at home or $25 in a theater with expensive concessions. The movie wouldn't have to gross as much as it would before, just enough to exceed what Disney's current cut from the theaters is. I'm glad that I've been able to go to the movies a ridiculous amount the last few years with moviepass and Regal unlimited, and that habit drew me to the local dollar and artsy theaters more too. I've been to Regal in the last few months a couple of times and that was an incredible little boost to my mental health too. I just don't enjoy movies at home as much. This is another part of culture which will probably be forever changed by COVID. |
It's going to be sad when this is over and the theater industry is decimated. There was something cool about going to see a movie on a massive screen with great surround sound.
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I mentioned several months ago the theater industry is going to die from this. So much easier and cheaper to pay $30-40 and watch at home. Studios just cut out the middle man.
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Tickets, concessions, much expanded merchandise, all going to the studios.
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Over the next 5 years, we're going to see huge consolidation across a number of industries where the weakened players are scooped up for pennies on the dollar by stronger conglomerates that will be even bigger and stronger than before
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Let me just say, there will never be movie I will pay $40 to see at home. I will wait till it comes on one of the way too many services I pay for already.
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I go to theaters for the popcorn. Love movie theater popcorn with lots of butter.
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The Netherlands is very late on the facemask stuff. I had worn it several times in the subway (Even on 10 minute rides in almost empty trains, in public transportation masks are mandatory since early June), but as lately as 6 days ago masks have become "strongly advised" in public buildings. But I've noticed that calling it an "advice" means half the people still Trump it. Admittedly, I too feel silly wearing a mask while also distancing and trying to rush through my grocery shopping as swiftly as possible, but if anything, I'll be one of those that sets an example and just do it.
We're slowly moving back into lockdown. The second wave is flooding Holland*, we're coloring black on the yellow to red scales of infections per capita, as they run out of darker shades of red. Positive cases are steadily increasing to new peaks at 4500 per day (on 17.5M population, positive tests have increased to 9% of all tested). On a personal anecdotal level it's easy to confirm that. In as little as 10 days, it has turned from knowing three distant relatives that had COVID-19 during the first wave, to three completely unlinked confirmed cases all being one or two dominos away from forcing me into 10 days of quarantine. *knock on wood* I don't think I've had any symptoms and haven't been in "close contact" with any confirmed cases, but it feels like it's much closer than it did during the first wave. * In case this needs clarification: Holland isn't the same thing as The Netherlands. And in this situation, it actually is a rare occurrence where even the Dutch are bringing it up. Maybe the English pages of Wikipedia are still reliable on that part (I'm shocked, they actually still do; after finding out about the "America" propaganda on the English pages, I was afraid this would have also been infected with ignorance). |
Stay safe MIJB!
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I think I'm okay with a 2 month wait after Phase 3 trials under the assumption there are some exceptions as needed (e.g. front line workers voluntarily wanting to take it) and manufacturers are making and preparing to distribute during this period.
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Dr. Fauci just said we could top 400k COVID deaths this winter... yikes!
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Been checking worldometers past week. There were some days with unusually low deaths like < 500, yesterday was 932. Bottom line (I think) is it looks like deaths are down even though infections are still well over 40K+.
Nothing in MSM about hospitals, medical professionals etc. getting over stressed or lack of equipment, medicine etc. GA is pretty stable regarding deaths, mostly under 50. I think this means we are doing a much better job in treating this plague. Some relatively good news at least. |
There have been a number of stories about WI hospitals getting overloaded to the point where the Governor has opened up an emergency hospital.
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Things are not going well in Wisconsin, they're opening up a field hospital because of the surge in cases and hospitalizations.
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Two months is really the minimum. I am running a Phase I clinical trial and we need to wait 6 months after the last patient is treated before phase 2 can begin. |
One of Caitlin's former softball teammates (they both transferred away from UTM after 2019) got Covid 4 weeks ago and now has a virus-induced heart condition. She's out a minimum of 3 months.
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I know that's really rare, but it's scary. I'm glad my daughter's competitive Irish dance has been on hold since March. |
WTF? It's spreading to additional animals now.
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Orange County, NY is seeing a big rise in cases and now my college is on-line only for the next two weeks.
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My towns facebook group is currently on fire with cries about how we need to open up schools 100%. I informed people it is far more likely we go back to all virtual given the uptick in cases. Didn't go over great. |
The high school called and said they have cases now, but so far they are staying open. My daughter, though, chose to be fully on-line until January.
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My sons college still has only had 3 reported cases. They where actually able to have "Mountain Day" yesterday. The first Friday of the month in October with good weather, they call off all classes and have a bunch of outdoor activities. He sent pictures of kids listening to bands and hiking around the mountain trails. No group over 10, social distancing, and wearing masks. It can be done.
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Umbers Rae not looking good nationally . Yesterday back up to 60k cases after being down to 25k 4-5 weeks ago and deaths are pretty steady at 850- 1000 except for the Sunday and Monday which have always been unrepresentative days since the outbreak I assume due to coroners and hospitals reporting deaths on the weekends until Monday/Tuesday. Also, a key n7nber I have noticed is the serious cases. When the deaths were at there highest the serious cases were also at 20k+. It has been steadily going down and was down to 13500 serious cases now it is up to almost 15,000. As this is only October and the weather has not turned cold yet we are likely in for a bad next six months with realistically now vaccine will be hitting the streets for the vast majority of the average joe.
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Ultimately the main issue is people interacting with kids then spreading it. Kids transmissions playing their part is clear by now, but it's one factor among many (not the dominant one by any stretch) and compared to other factors, here we actually do have a case where i subscribe to the collateral damage outcry. Kids going Back to school should not be framed as the issue, not creating the framework to do it (by reducing community transmission and installing effective surveillance and test/trace/isolate schemes) should. |
I'm going to share first hand experience of how COVID-19 is running through my most nearby family, without sharing who is who (except on which one I am).
This all took place in the last 10 days, I'll go by calling them A+B, C+D and E. A+B visited C+D on October 1st, had diner there. E visited C+D on the 2nd, had diner there. I visited E on the 4th for about 3 hours, having lunch there. A got sick and tested positive on October 5th (working in the business made it possible to be tested and get results quickly), is still sick at home. B immediately went into quarantine on the 5th, then already showing identical symptoms as A and is still too sick to go get tested at a public testing place. C+D started their 10-day compulsory quarantine on the 5th, with C developing a fever on the 8th, D today (10th) drove 25 miles and took C to get C tested, still awaiting results, while D will get tested on the 11th (tomorrow) and will need to drive 45 miles to get there (nope, they could not get tested at the same place at the same time). E consequently has decided to gone into quarantine since the 8th (while technically not yet compulsory, if C tests positive, E has to quarantine through the 12th). For me, this means that I'll be next if E starts showing symptoms before the 15th, or if I show symptoms myself (in which case it could force E to extend quarantine through the 15th as well). Side effect of all of them going into quarantine, I've been doing grocery shopping for B, C+D and E in the last 4 days, that's what you do as a family. I drop everything off at the door (literally, they pick it up after I leave), conversation is limited to "hi" and "bye" from 10 feet away through the open door. We'll talk over the phone when I get home. We've all (tried to) follow the distancing guidelines, hygiene rules, we've done so for months, every time any of us decided to visit each other. We're all wary of the virus when we go outside, etc, etc. For now, I'm going by the theory that we overlooked that it's now autumn and properly ventilating rooms becomes an oversight, while the temperature changes make the body more vulnerable to catching a cold. All all of the above could theoretically be just a fluke, C+D may get lucky and not be infected (pending testing results). Still conclusion to me: social distancing is still key, especially now in the autumn. Seriously. Seriously! Everything you do, wherever you will meet other people, stay aware that you or they may carry this without knowing it. |
Sorry to hear about all your hassles, hope you aren't infected.
Our family is spread all across the country. We have all agreed not to meetup for Thanksgiving or Christmas this year. I can see how with family close by, you are more apt/obligated to visit, do dinners etc. |
So what's the final word on Halloween.
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I'll bet turkey sales go way down this year and cornish game hen sales go way up.
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Nothing. I typically enjoy it, but this year, I am so sick of people and Covid, that I don't think we're going to do it this year. The boys are all grown up now anyway. |
We typically do Thanksgiving with my inlaws, but this year I think I am going to insist that we don't.
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For Halloween this year we are getting together with our bubble of friends. Going to hang out in the driveway with fire pit, folding chairs, drinks, etc. while the kids go out and parents take turns accompanying them. May be one of the last times we can get together for a while.
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Y'all all stay safe, OK. There's a lot more we don't know than stuff we do know.
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My wife and I are both more concerned about the risks of long term effects from COVID than the chance of death, considering our personal health profiles (40ish, decent shape, no other risk factors). SI |
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I've read that insurance is supposed to pick up 100% of the tab. Can you confirm this is true? Or did they have to meet their deductible first? |
PSA: I went to Publix to get my flu shot. Publix will give you a $10 gift card so with insurance picking up the tab, it was $10 free groceries. Also, the pharmacist said its been more busy than she remembers.
No gift cards from CVS last year. Not sure if this is a new thing. |
In addition to staying safe, y'all keep your kids safe, too. This virus hasn't come to play. When it is all said and done, I think that the mortality rate will not be the biggest lasting effect of COVID infections:
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Just heard the state of North Dakota only has 20 beds left and they may need to send people out of state. I really wish people in rural areas learned from what us in the northeast went through.
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The politicizing of the entire pandemic led to this sort of failure to learn from other places. Because those were Democrats who screwed up and wanted to kill the economy to hurt Trump, so why should we listen to them?
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There's going to be so much corruption and criminal activity exposed next year.
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Cori tested positive today. Her room mate tested positive earlier today. My wife went to see her at her sisters and is now exposed and off work until Oct. 26 on quarantine.
I am not quarantined, but am staying away. Cori came home from college. Not sure why. |
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Sorry to hear, tarcone.
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We're rapidly racing back into lockdown in the Netherlands.
Toning back two weeks ago and more measures announced today. Next evaluation moment: 2 weeks from now. People were acting like back to normal. The current peak of positive test results is way behind on the actual situation. From my close family example earlier, we're convinced my brother got infected (typical symptoms, girlfriend was already confirmed 8 days ago, our dad confirmed today, mom still pending but only logical she has it as well), but he couldn't get a test arranged prior to next Thursday, with results to be expected in the weekend. He'll be a "confirmed" statistic at least 2 1/2 weeks after getting infected. Just saying: testing capacity and speed of results combined with the incubation time, it takes more than 3 weeks to see any effect on "lockdown" measures flattening the curve. Evening out with the same day testing numbers, It's more like 4 weeks to see a possible effect. Just venting, barking up the wrong tree, I guess. |
Stay safe tarcone and MIJB. Hope and pray everyone infected comes out with a mild case!
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Very sad to hear family members getting sick. :( I hope that they only get mild effects from it. Stay strong and please keep us updated.
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Golfer Dustin Johnson has tested positive for the virus-he is the 15th golfer to test positive so far
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Best wishes to both of you guys!!
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Best wishes to you guys and your fams.
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Best wishes to everyone who has a loved one that's been affected.
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Interesting notes about covid and susceptibility & severity.
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This gets political with people's comments after the initial posts, but the three step plan shows how easy* it could be to get this under control.
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...96584650547200 *"Easy" meaning pays for itself and not difficult to implement. The political will part of it is, of course, the problem and is far from easy. |
nobody is going to go 9 months without restaurants. They can't even go 9 days.
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That will never happen here. Freedom and all that stuff... |
Germany update: still determined to stay on top of things with no waiting around for shit to hit the fan. Not exactly proactive (i am pissed at some things not being hashed out over the summer) but at least not being apathetic until the screaming starts, so to speak ... Our good structures and Public Health Ressources (+ masks) are giving us an extra 2-4 weeks and a lower level starting off.
Just now set up new measures which are less strict than elsewhere but also earlier (essentially rolling limits on private Events, public gatherings and no alcohol anywhere after 11pm, so a soft ban on nightlife). I think the Netherlands were part of why everybody got their shit together once more, for some reason those news reasonated more than the ones coming out of Spain/France. Still not anywhere near those levels, neither cases nor hospitalisations adjusted for population, but going up rapidly and the same warning signs elsewhere (average age going up from 32 to 40, more patients with symptoms, less successfull contact tracing, overburdened labs and PH workers) Overall i gotta say: Wait, who could have predicted Things to start accelerating 3-4 weeks after the weather turning ? What a weird coincidence that people spend time indoors and more transmission happens *sarcasm*. Also, my cousin might have it. Her BF has it, she's not been tested because she's been mostly home with a broken ankle anyway. When it rains ... Otherwise a picture of health, so not too worried. |
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But just a few weeks ago posters were telling me that if we just "shut everything down" (which was then revealed to be just to the extent Europe did), this would all be over by now. If this was easy, why hasn't it worked for enlightened Europe who aren't bogged down with Trumpers and such? Restrictions slow virus spread, but when they're inevitably loosened and people act more normally, the virus surges again. We're seeing that in Europe. The virus doesn't get bored and go away. The most realistic mitigation measures to me seem more things that people will be willing to do longer-term while still being able t engage in their lives and communities to some extent. Precautions and mitigation and an acceptance of human needs and human nature rather than sweeping temporary shut-downs that disproportionally impact certain groups of people. These little bullet-points about what 320 million people all need to do at the same time and how "easy" that is just bewildering to me. |
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After I was kind of venting about some of the cultural losses, you basically chided me and told me that those losses were only because we didn't "shut everything down", and that "if we had actually really shut down, we could be contact tracing and trying to get back to some semblance of normal like most of the rest of the world". So maybe I misunderstood again, but my point was that Europe lockdowns wouldn't get us back to normal (or 90% normal like the tweets promised), and my evidence for that is that Europe has more new cases now than they did in April. And my broader point was that this was certainly a lot more difficult than people were saying would it be, particularly in the country as massive and diverse and polarized and with the economic disparities as we have in the U.S. And my evidence for that is that even Europe, with all their advantages, didn't just "shut everything down" for longer despite having more political and economic opportunities to do that than the U.S. did. |
Except much of Europe has been mostly able to live life in some semblance of normal for the last few months without their case rate going higher until recently. Meanwhile, we've never gotten our case numbers anywhere near that and we're just pretending that everything's normal.
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Nice to see KY actually one of the 3 states that is down week over week.
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Why doesn't Europe just stay locked down if that's so easy? I'm starting to think that just like "shut everything down" doesn't really mean shut everything down, "easy" doesn't really mean easy, or as simple as that solution is sometimes set forth. It's a really awful thing to have to do. So awful that European countries are avoiding it even though they have the political will to truly just pay everyone to stay home for a year or longer. By the end of that last discussion, I realized that we actually did have a "full lockdown" in Idaho. I think it hurt more than it helped. We had about 0 cases at the start of it, and slightly more by the end. But we used that bullet up. We now have many fewer restrictions, with way more cases. With no will to reload that bullet. Things could be much worse. We have a mask tolerant culture here for the most part. And it's a healthy population to start with. But I wonder if moderate restrictions the whole time would have been better for heath, culture, and the economy than full lockdown and then almost nothing. There is a limit to what people and communities are able to do longer term. (And it's easier for some people than others). As we head into year 2 of this, adapting and living feels so much more productive and realistic than "shutting it all down". And I think we're starting to do that in areas and countries which have low deaths and hospitalizations, even if cases are rising. |
How about we do masks and test/trace and see how much better we do? NY has been very good for months and the current explosion in cases is driven in great part by religious communities that refused to mask and still gathered in large numbers.
Eliminating the virus is hard, but it really wouldn't be hard to greatly reduce cases if we just wore masks, kept distanced, and had a nationwide test/trace. We won't do those things, but it isn't because we don't know how. |
Population density has a lot, lot to do with it. Idaho isn't exactly packing them in there (neither is KY), but more dense cities are going to naturally have more issues. It's much easier for midwestern states to decry any efforts, point fingers at 'failing' cities under restrictions and say, "see, we didn't do what they did, we don't have their problems, so therefore x, y, and z are terrible, no good, bad approaches, and because our approaches are best, we should do that everywhere, because...natural extension of whatever argument serves their purpose" instead of trying to see the natural consequences of every action and response, and try to attempt to find a sweet spot that works down to the smallest civil district involved. At some point you can't rely on every smaller governing factions to monitor, mediate and dictate proper response. A top down approach may allow for blanket options, and it may not be the most efficient, but the reverse where the only real decisions are made at every single, different municipal level can't be a good answer either.
What we've had thus far is an attempt to manage things at the state level, with almost zero support or leadership from the federal level of government. One thing that I've seen that I agree with in KY, as an example, was allowing the school district to have jurisdiction over return to school protocols while setting guidelines for them to work within. I think that could have worked at the national/state level had those options been put in place. It could have been extended to the state/county level with good modifications. There will always need to be some level of 'we just need to deal with this shit' and I don't think that complete and total lockdown is an answer. Part of life simply goes on. Every day we get older, every day we decide what is and isn't worth doing. I said it weeks ago, the US will be totally comfortable with 1000 people a day dying from covid, and they will accept that and it will be what it is. Inside, people understand the natural risks associated with it, and those groups that cannot or will not make the necessary adjustments will suffer the greatest. We cannot expect 100% success. Just like we cannot expect 100% success when it comes to running a business. There will always be some level of loss that the business has to adapt to, some overhead they cannot compensate for. There will always be people who need to be on welfare and government supports, no matter how badly people want them off. 100% is not a realistic option. I simply cannot be. We see it in football. You work your best plan, and go from there. You accept that things change, you must make adjustments, but in no way, can you expect success from the start through the finish. The plan has to be the plan. All along, there has been no plan. States have tried, some have not. But states cannot control the actions of it's people. You can only set the standard, but it has to start from the top, and without that, there is, and never was any hope for the sort of success that is trying to be attained. |
The federal governmant has been completely absent in regards to public schools. Most schools have less money and fewer staff than pre-COVID and they are being asked to implement procedures that take more money and more staff. The only way it can work well nation-wide is with federal support, but the GOP won't provide the money and the Dept. of Ed is only concerned with funneling money and resources to private schools and homeschoolers.
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It would help to stop treating it as Binary: All closed/open, all great/terrible, all safe/unsafe.
And maybe not ignore a big part of why a hard stop and heavy mitigation was so vital: Allowing time for more and better treatment options (no knockout, but there's about half a dozen significant improvements with medication and procedure), technological leaps (near Instant antigen tests are now available for hospitals and retirement homes here at least) and building up infrastructure in terms of healthcare and Public Health allowing for earlier detection and better monitoring of cases leading to earlier treatment. And educate the public, create awareness (and yes, enforcement groundrules) for mask wearing and other rules, give companies time to come up with systems to spread out employees where possible or set up home office. Come up with better plans and procedures for schools. Governments installing long term aid systems. Systems to help sick/quarantined to stay off work and employees to get reimbursed. We trained more PH workers, retooled hospitals and heck, even installed a dedicated national digital data transfer/analysis system between all local departments and our version of the CDC. Meanwhile, the UK still uses Excel and has a contractor run testing badly, France installed a Testing strategy late resulting in massive wait times while the CDC ... Was bogged down fighting Trump for every piece of information and guidance they wanted to put out and no aid in sight going into winter. Yay ... X cases now result in less deaths and damage than it would have 2,3 or 6 months ago. And it takes less measures if you didn't run around with fingers in your ears and eyes closed or sitting on your hands and wait till it's too late and act shocked. If those improvements to 'Infrastrukture' and procedures (also includes how retirement homes or similar act) have not been made, that is the true problem. EDIT: Also, while lockdowns in any shape (again, not the same everywhere) are indeed a stopgap and best used to quickly decelerate out of Holy Shit territory, one thing people have forgotten: People deciding did not know a lot we do now re: modes of transmission or seasonality or quite frankly how close to "Holy Shit" any given place was due to a lack of surveillance. The UK or Northern Italy thought it was fine a few days before hospitals were flooded and 2/3 to peak deaths numbers, meaning in reality they were in "holy shit" territory weeks earlier. And in the US early testing and surveillance was worse than that even. |
I'll wait for the pundits to discuss the study more but it's surprising and very disappointing.
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Cori has mild symptoms. Thank goodness. I have not talked to her much. Staying as far away as possible.
Wife showing no symptoms. Im around her about 30 minutes a day at most. This virus is hanging tough and hitting more people now than ever around here. And with flu season coming, its going to get ugly. |
Well a co-worker of mine gots the covid.
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Get some extra Vitamin C & D in you. Good luck. And don't forget to mix some bleach in with your coffee :) |
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True, my multivitamin gives me more than 100+% daily dose for all 3. |
Inject some Lysol. Ya'll be a'ight!
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Thanks for the advice, but the only person I trust in a situation like this is the My Pillow guy.
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I hear that getting the virus is the way to go. Just be sure not to die or suffer long term consequences.
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The pillow is to smother Grandma after she gets the COVID.
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B. That's just not true for me personally. My life didn't start feeling as "some semblance of normal" until mid-September and only for 3 or so weeks. Caveat when beach volleyball was coming back in mid-May (low profile) and sort of 'normal' in mid-July, at least Wednesday nights and a four tournament days each a month apart, those felt almost like 'normal', within boundaries of distancing. But I think a lot of people felt like we were getting "back to normal" in August. The second wave became visible in mid-September. Now, mid-October, we're back into semi-lockdown for at least 4 weeks. We, the Dutch don't have the discipline the Germans have (wait, did I to just generalize millions of people?) Also, there's no Europe in this context. But maybe I mentioned this before? |
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Genuine question, as we are always slightly outside Europe, and obviously more so now: what do you mean by ‘There is no Europe’? Separation of experience of the virus, or is the EU infrastructure breaking down? |
I think he's mentioning that every country is handling this very differently. So you can't say "Europe" when France is doing things differently than Italy and when the Czech Republic is in a massive rise in cases, which does not exactly equate to what is happening in Germany.
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You could say it's a big test for how the EU works, but it feels like "EU" is a secondary topic this year. Maybe it'll be back on topic if this virus ever flies over. But that's moot anyway, "EU" and "Europe" are not synonymous, regardless of brexit. Not quite the same, from this thread, I'm sensing that within the USA states are doing their own thing. Probably to protect their own, governors picking up where some guy higher up in the tree is proclaiming to be immune. Fwiw, for me personally, the UK isn't "slightly outside" at all. From where I live, it's practically the closest neighbor, despite the North Sea in between. Interestingly enough though, I've yet to visit the UK... |
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Thanks for the clarification - ‘There is no Europe’ had so many possibilities. We’re impotent atm unfortunately, hamstrung by our government and the EU desire to stay strong, but come on over, we’re not so bad ;) FWIW (and I might have mentioned this before) one of my best memories is on a stag weekend in Amsterdam (stay with me) on the last day we played football on a park somewhere in the city, and a proper crowd gathered around us - literally must have been 100 or more. Now I doubt that was because of our skill, but there was something there that people wanted to watch us play because of our passion, commitment, or just were confused by a group of hungover Brits wanting to win at all costs, but I genuinely felt a little love from the Dutch that morning :) |
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