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rjolley 12-28-2020 02:58 PM

From the White House to the NBA. That's...not expected.

GrantDawg 12-29-2020 02:10 PM

I think this is suggestive. I believe at this point they might just be waiting to see if the Dems gain control of the Senate before making an AG announcement. If they win, they name Garland so they can replace his seat, if they lose, they give it to Doug Jones who should be an easy confirmation.

Edward64 12-30-2020 03:28 PM

I see GA Dem Senate ads but I see more of Rep Senate ads.

A pretty good one just now was a housewife saying how she voted for Biden but now will be voting Rep for "balance". Worried for Warnock also, the Rep ad quoting his wife is pretty effective to me. Haven't seen much of Ossoff which is surprising because I read the Dems had a pretty good war chest.

IMO the Rep is doing a better job with ads so far.

miked 12-30-2020 04:00 PM

Come inside the perimeter, I See about 10 of each (R and D) every 30 minutes.

ISiddiqui 12-30-2020 04:05 PM

Yep, I see a ton of Ossoff and Warnock ads (same as Loeffler, but very few Perdue ads - more third party against Ossoff lately).

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Edward64 01-04-2021 04:17 PM

Latest GA polls from 538. Should be fun tomorrow.

Ossoff - 49 vs 47.4
Warnock - 49.3 vs 47.3

Latest Polls Of The Georgia Senate Runoff Elections | FiveThirtyEight

GrantDawg 01-04-2021 05:02 PM

I do not trust the polls, but the turn out numbers look encouraging so far. I still believe it will end up being a big GOP win, though. I have been burned too many times when I have hope.

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miked 01-04-2021 08:00 PM

Loeffler is trying super hard now, just said she would back voting against the elector results.

On a side note, I was up in Blue Ridge the last few days and saw tons of ads for both parties, as well as quite a few Warnock/Ossoff signs. Obviously neither are coming within 60 pts in Fanin/Gilmer, but the Trump signs are mostly gone and there are not too many Loeffler/Perdue signs/

GrantDawg 01-04-2021 08:01 PM

I love Blue Ridge. That is all.

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Swaggs 01-04-2021 09:34 PM

It seems like Loeffler and Ossoff have been more negative with their campaigning, so it seems possible that their internal polls may be showing that they need to reduce turnout for their opponents (vs rallying their own troops). Betting odds favor the democrats. Should be interesting and will probably take a week or so to do all the counts.

Young Drachma 01-04-2021 09:39 PM

Damn this thread is huge and we haven't even had inauguration day yet.

molson 01-04-2021 10:20 PM

I read this somewhere else, but if Trump wins the write-in vote for both elections, does he get to be both Senators? Is there like, a rule for that or something?

RainMaker 01-04-2021 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3320915)
It seems like Loeffler and Ossoff have been more negative with their campaigning, so it seems possible that their internal polls may be showing that they need to reduce turnout for their opponents (vs rallying their own troops). Betting odds favor the democrats. Should be interesting and will probably take a week or so to do all the counts.


Loeffler is running an ad that makes Warnock's skin much darker. Maybe she wins but seems like desperate moves.

rjolley 01-05-2021 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3320921)
I read this somewhere else, but if Trump wins the write-in vote for both elections, does he get to be both Senators? Is there like, a rule for that or something?


Can this happen just so we can see McConnell's reaction when he thinks he has to deal with Trump in the Senate?

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3320926)
Loeffler is running an ad that makes Warnock's skin much darker. Maybe she wins but seems like desperate moves.

She is desperate. Most believe the election is split, she will be the one who loses. She is not as known or as liked as Perdue (not that he particularly loved), and she was appointed over Trump's objection. With the Trump demonization of Kemp, that makes her appointment even worse. That is why she has firmly attached her mouth to Trump's butt, and has courted the Q people. "Desperate" is an apt definition of her.

miami_fan 01-05-2021 07:02 PM

I am guessing this is the thread for the GA elections. Are these getting called tonight?

Lathum 01-05-2021 07:11 PM

The Dems are toast.

CNN just said 93% of the current votes counted are early. The republicans are going to fly by late night. Kind of ironic if you think about it.

Jas_lov 01-05-2021 07:13 PM

STOP THE COUNT

larrymcg421 01-05-2021 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3321113)
I am guessing this is the thread for the GA elections. Are these getting called tonight?


Depends on how close it is. The count is progressing pretty well. The NYT needle has the Dems favored right now...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...lection_recirc

Lathum 01-05-2021 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3321115)
STOP THE COUNT


Jake Tapper just had a great rant on this.

molson 01-05-2021 07:16 PM

That goddamn needle still gives me flashbacks.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 07:19 PM

Numbers just came in in Fulton, and they were very good. Both Dems up on Biden's numbers, with a still good number of mail ballots to count that are even heavier Dem.

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Jas_lov 01-05-2021 07:20 PM

The numbers Kornacki is showing on MSNBC look good for Dems. They're running ahead of Biden.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 07:25 PM

If both Republicans end up losing, there is no chance either concedes right?

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Ksyrup 01-05-2021 07:26 PM

Does this increase the odds someone does something to force Biden to take legal action tomorrow?

larrymcg421 01-05-2021 07:29 PM

PredictIt is going huge for Dems right now...

.87 for Warnock
.80 for Ossoff

Wondering if I should sell some of my Ossoff I bought at .38 to hedge.

bronconick 01-05-2021 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3321123)
If both Republicans end up losing, there is no chance either concedes right?

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Of course not.

RainMaker 01-05-2021 08:01 PM

Can't understand why McConnell didn't go with the $2k checks. Was a powerful message to hand to Democrats in that state.

RainMaker 01-05-2021 08:04 PM

Ossoff would be the youngest elected Senator since Joe Biden.

NobodyHere 01-05-2021 08:04 PM

Normally I would want a divided government, but McConnel really needs to go back to hide in his shell.

kingfc22 01-05-2021 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3321134)
Normally I would want a divided government, but McConnel really needs to go back to hide in his shell.


GOP needs to suffer for Trump.

kingfc22 01-05-2021 08:07 PM

Warnock seems to be positioned well based on the numbers/trend coming in. Purdue and Ossoff will be really tight.

Swaggs 01-05-2021 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3321137)
Warnock seems to be positioned well based on the numbers/trend coming in. Purdue and Ossoff will be really tight.


MSNBC just showed where votes are remaining and there seem to be a lot left around Atlanta. I think Warnock could get called tonight (I doubt we get any concessions).

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 08:11 PM

These numbers have me pretty excited.

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GrantDawg 01-05-2021 08:15 PM

I will also say a numbers guy who lives and knows the state well says we will have calls tonight. He is not saying the Dens will definitely win, but it would be a less than one percent Perdue win if he did.

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ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 08:18 PM

The NYT needle seems to show Warnock at over 70% chance and Ossoff at over 60% chance of winning based on the numbers so far. The tightening is based on GOP counties coming in and they show Warnock and Ossoff doing better than Biden in November.

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RainMaker 01-05-2021 08:37 PM

Schumer is terrified he might be the majority leader.

Brian Swartz 01-05-2021 08:38 PM

Good news. I look forward to seeing what happens. It'll still be tough to get anything substantive through the Senate, but a lot easier than it would have been without getting to 50-50.

Galaril 01-05-2021 08:43 PM

Well Perdue is up almost 2 % and warlock down 1% so think arrest the Dems split which sucks.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 08:43 PM

Dave Wasserman has called one seat for Warnock.

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Lathum 01-05-2021 08:45 PM

This doesn't seem to be going well. Hope there are some Dem strongholds to still come in

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 08:47 PM

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...900417536?s=19

Wasserman calls it for Warnock. Ossoff to close to call.

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cmp 01-05-2021 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3321152)
This doesn't seem to be going well. Hope there are some Dem strongholds to still come in


It’s looking good for Dems

Thomkal 01-05-2021 08:50 PM

Yeah seeing some journalists/election experts calling Georgia for Warnock

cmp 01-05-2021 08:52 PM

The needle has Warnock at +1.7 and Ossoff at +1.0

HerRealName 01-05-2021 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3321152)
This doesn't seem to be going well. Hope there are some Dem strongholds to still come in


Georgia is going blue but Lathum is going Q. :p

Ghost Econ 01-05-2021 08:56 PM

Does this mean I won't have to see Kelly Loeffler's janky eye anymore when I watch the news?

I've never seen anyone so uncomfortably wear a trucker hat like she does in her ads. She's totally just a normal Southern girl.

Atocep 01-05-2021 08:58 PM

We're Ossoff away from Senate minority leader McConnell.

bronconick 01-05-2021 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3321152)
This doesn't seem to be going well. Hope there are some Dem strongholds to still come in


DeKalb has 200,000+ outstanding alone.

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 09:10 PM

https://twitter.com/jmartnyt/status/...835595265?s=21

Quote:

Highly respected Republicans who know Georgia think Ossoff prevails unless something really funky happens in DeKalb and Cobb

RainMaker 01-05-2021 09:10 PM

With the remaining votes this looks to be over. Doubt it is even in the recount range after late mail in ballots are counted.

Where will Loeffler and Perdue get their stock picks from now?

lungs 01-05-2021 09:13 PM

If this holds, I imagine we hate Joe Manchin by the end of the year.

Galaril 01-05-2021 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 3321165)
If this holds, I imagine we hate Joe Manchin by the end of the year.


Yeah he’s ares me as the swing vote. I could see him voting with the Rs at times. But Biden will likely be able to keep him on board with the Dems side.

Thomkal 01-05-2021 09:17 PM

The data analyst for The Economist magazine calling both races for the Dems

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 3321165)
If this holds, I imagine we hate Joe Manchin by the end of the year.

I started hating him long before that.

kingfc22 01-05-2021 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3321168)
The data analyst for The Economist magazine calling both races for the Dems


I wish we had a live cam of the Turtle.

Atocep 01-05-2021 09:20 PM

Kelly Loeffler is apparently going to speak soon. Prepare for the shenanigans.

lungs 01-05-2021 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3321167)
Yeah he’s ares me as the swing vote. I could see him voting with the Rs at times. But Biden will likely be able to keep him on board with the Dems side.


He won't defect, but he'll use his newfound power.

Any other Dem Senators that might be a bit wobbly?

Thomkal 01-05-2021 09:20 PM

DeKalb County expecting to release large vote count before 11pm

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3321175)
Kelly Loeffler is apparently going to speak soon. Prepare for the shenanigans.


Lol, probably right before DeKalb drops its votes

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:24 PM


molson 01-05-2021 09:24 PM

Stating the obvious, but this is such an important result if it holds, even aside from Senate control, especially if these Dems outperformed Biden. It's at least some evidence that the Republicans have gone to far and that they'll face push back from real voters. It's just hard for me to fathom how decent people aren't jumping ship in bigger numbers. I'll never understand it. But maybe at least a few are.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:27 PM


GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:30 PM

Crazy numbers:

bronconick 01-05-2021 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 3321176)
He won't defect, but he'll use his newfound power.

Any other Dem Senators that might be a bit wobbly?


Arizona's 2 are pretty conservative by Democratic standards.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:34 PM

Georgia people: Monica Kaufman is doing election coverage on WSB radio. Never knew how much I'd miss her.

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 09:39 PM

171k votes from DeKalb to be uploaded soon.

Butter 01-05-2021 09:39 PM

Offshore odds have Warnock at -5000 and Ossoff at -2000 to win. Both huge favorites

BishopMVP 01-05-2021 09:42 PM

If Ossoff does make it 50, this was an interesting article from 2012 about how Joe Manchin & McConnell hate each other. politico.com/story/2012/02/football-feud-mcconnell-vs-manchin-072591 Hopefully their relationship hasn't improved since then! :)

miami_fan 01-05-2021 09:47 PM

So ummm anybody else switching over to Fox News to see if they called the election yet?;)

Lathum 01-05-2021 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3321194)
So ummm anybody else switching over to Fox News to see if they called the election yet?;)


Literally just watching. It’s that horrible blond woman and they weren’t even covering the election. They had a law professor on to talk about Pences options tomorrow.

Butter 01-05-2021 09:50 PM

Ossoff odds drop to -450

Galaril 01-05-2021 09:52 PM

Gee I hope all these predictions are true and the D take them both but man the Ossoff one is going to be super close. They just said there is only 130k votes left for Dekalb county and not the 200k originally reported. Ossoff is down 113k . I am not seeing how he can catch up.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3321198)
Gee I hope all these predictions are true and the D take them both but man the Ossoff one is going to be super close. They just said there is only 130k votes left for Dekalb county and not the 200k originally reported. Ossoff is down 113k . I am not seeing how he can catch up.

Then the SOS restated that it is definitely 171k+

Swaggs 01-05-2021 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 3321165)
If this holds, I imagine we hate Joe Manchin by the end of the year.


He and Biden are both Catholic. I think they’ll have a good working relationship. He’s always going to vote pro-coal and pro-energy, but he’s fallen in line on most all of the important votes. He voted for Kavanaugh, but most people in the state think he may have lost his re-election if he had not. For A WV Democrat, he’s as good as it is going to get.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3321193)
If Ossoff does make it 50, this was an interesting article from 2012 about how Joe Manchin & McConnell hate each other. politico.com/story/2012/02/football-feud-mcconnell-vs-manchin-072591 Hopefully their relationship hasn't improved since then! :)


There is a great poster/drawing of Manchin vs McConnell facing off in one of the bars near WVU’s stadium. There was a lot of ill will. The sad thing is that Louisville lost that battle, but won the war by getting into the ACC, which is a much better fit for WVU (with the geography and almost all their traditional rivals) than the Big 12.

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 09:59 PM

So the NYT needle has it right now at 95%+ for Warnock and 89% for Ossoff

kingfc22 01-05-2021 09:59 PM

Now you have the orange clown and the Twitter trolls claiming De Kalb is waiting to see how many votes are needed before they release their count.

And the sheeple just eat it up.

Butter 01-05-2021 10:05 PM

Ossoff is down 113k. If he wins the DeKalb vote by the expected margin, he'll pick up 120k votes

JPhillips 01-05-2021 10:06 PM

If both Dems win, don't expect much in the way of legislation, but appointments will go through and the GOP won't be able to flood the media with bullshit investigations.

Jas_lov 01-05-2021 10:06 PM

Chatham county has gone to bed with 20k votes left to count. Nothing important going on.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3321208)
Chatham county has gone to bed with 20k votes left to count. Nothing important going on.

They live a more relax lifestyle down in Savannah.

Jas_lov 01-05-2021 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3321207)
If both Dems win, don't expect much in the way of legislation, but appointments will go through and the GOP won't be able to flood the media with bullshit investigations.


Justice Breyer can retire. And could they do another round of stimulus if they offset it with tax increases on corps/rich? Maybe that could get 60 votes anyway but at least they'll be able to bring things like that up for a vote.

GrantDawg 01-05-2021 10:11 PM


Swaggs 01-05-2021 10:13 PM

Cohn has been really good about explaining the needle. Looks good for the democrats.


Swaggs 01-05-2021 10:14 PM

Doh. Looks like GD beat me to punch.

kingfc22 01-05-2021 10:20 PM

De Kalb just came in. Warlock is up by a big margin and Ossoff is in striking distance.

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 10:20 PM

Big chunk from DeKalb. Warnock pulls ahead, Ossoff 2k back. Still got more to go in DeKalb

Bartow also came in. Warnock up by 20k and Ossoff down by 20k

sterlingice 01-05-2021 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3321173)
I wish we had a live cam of the Turtle.


He got to win no matter what. That die was cast on Election Day when it was close enough that the Dems will spend the next 2 years screwing things up. They can point to having a "majority", he gets to play resistance fighter for 2 years, and then they clean up in the midterms

SI

Atocep 01-05-2021 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3321218)
He got to win no matter what. That die was cast on Election Day when it was close enough that the Dems will spend the next 2 years screwing things up. They can point to having a "majority", he gets to play resistance fighter for 2 years, and then they clean up in the midterms

SI


What will absolutely kill him, if this holds, is Dems will be able to get judges through.

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 10:31 PM

https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status...514970112?s=21

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 10:34 PM

A few mail Fulton votes and Ossoff is behind by only 3k now. Warnock up by 30k.

Mail in votes in Atlanta metro is started to come in

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 10:38 PM

Ossoff now only 500 votes back

Butter 01-05-2021 10:39 PM

Warnock projected winner by Decision Desk HQ.

Ossoff within 1000 votes.

Democrats waiting to see how many votes they need has really paid off

Danny 01-05-2021 10:41 PM

So if trump had conceded and thrown his support behind these two candidates they likely win right?

Atocep 01-05-2021 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3321226)
So if trump had conceded and thrown his support behind these two candidates they likely win right?


I would say most likely.

Lathum 01-05-2021 10:45 PM

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/sta...533137408?s=21

ISiddiqui 01-05-2021 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3321229)


Awesome!

Young Drachma 01-05-2021 10:50 PM

Welp.

Radii 01-05-2021 10:50 PM

The racist history of Georgia's runoff election system

Since we have a lot of history lovers here, I didn't know until today that runoff elections in the south primarily exist explicitly as a form of white supremacy and to suppress the black vote. This article suggests that in states like Georgia it can't really do that successfully anymore, but that it can in places like Alabama and Mississippi.

Quote:

A segregationist state congressman, Denmark Groover, fought for Georgia to subscribe to the system because of personal affliction after he’d previously lost an election due to what he called the “Negro bloc,” where the theory was Black voters could pool all their votes to one favored candidate, while white votes would be split among various candidates. Runoffs would ensure white candidates could beat the minority vote in a head-to-head majority contest, rather than a plurality contest with more candidates. Two decades later, Groover plainly admitted his reasoning for the system: “If you want to establish if I was racially prejudiced, I was,” he said. “If you want to establish that some of my political activity was racially motivated, it was.”

rjolley 01-05-2021 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3321226)
So if trump had conceded and thrown his support behind these two candidates they likely win right?


Even without his support, I'm shocked they seriously might lose.


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