I bet you Eaglesfan Bogarted it,

Ok.. either the ghosts are getting orders, or they're acting in concert. Weird shit.

:D

But only some, it would appear.

It is a little creepy.

Of course he did. I had left a few clues before that, talking about protecting taz, having a good chance of him not dying last night, dying because of a coin-flip. He knew where I was going, so he let me go there and then claimed the same role.

I still think the reason SirFozzie came out when he did with the dreams was because he knew they were going to come out anyway. Since he talked about it first, everybody believes he is innocent. It is perfect cover.

As added cover, look at the way he claimed to handle the doctor duties. He claims that he can only protect two people and then he loses his powers. What does he do with that? He protects people the first two days when he has no clue who will be targeted. It is very unlikely that he would be able to help anyone, but now he has an excuse for why he isn't saving anyone with dwindling numbers of villagers. It is pretty smart. Killing me isn't going to end the game because it wasn't me that did the killing last night.

Vote Swaggs
wwwooooooo!
Ghosts of the World Unite!

And from SirFozzie's description of his role...he can only save successfully 2x a game, and he only doctored 2 people so far. Does anyone remember either of these two people being seriously wounded and unable to vote the next day? He can't even keep his own fake rules straight.

This was post #620.

and pass me the pipe!

word

See if I donate any more money to Ghosts of the World United ever again.

read it again, silly.

I can only Save SUCCESSFULLY (ie.. report Heavily Injured) twice, since apparently, I missed.. (no reports of heavily injured.. you dig?) I still have two heals left (if I don't die of course) :D

keep trying though, brian. It fills up time.

That was my point exactly. When you were trying to "prove" that you were the doctor, you mention that you can only save successfully and then you provide two people you doctored, as if to say those were your two saves. If you were really trying to prove your doctor-ness, you would have mentioned all three of your doctorings. You slipped up, and now you are backtracking. Of course now that I've pointed out your slip, you'll pick a third person to claim you doctored, but your credibility is already damaged.

LOL.. All I stated was who I "protected" those two nights. If I had stated "protected" you would claim that I was doing a bodyguard action as the doctor right?

Are you a werewolf, or an ambulance chaser? You keep trying to twist my words against me, and each time you fail.

No, I've been pretty much using the words "doctored" and "protected" interchangably, but way to try to shift the conversation from your backtracking to an argument of symantics. When logic fails, argue symantics.

I agree.. it's your best shot, but it's not really much of one.

TazFTW's School for Gifted Youngsters would welcome any donations.

I feel like Casper.

you have complete transparency when it comes to your accounting, right.

(facepalms) oh.. silly me..

Taking a quote out of context and twisting my words back against me? You are still deflecting and trying to change the subject. I find that to be pretty telling.

taking it from your playbook, Meester Brian.

After all, you're claiming that I said I Successfully doctored two people when I said no such thing, and trying every trick in the book to wriggle out of the fact that you got caught flat out lying about your role.

And the hole you are digging gets bigger. I never claimed that you said you successfully doctored two people. Read my posts again.

Oh dear. Let's see...how did that go again?



Oh yeah, BOOOOOOO!

Taint easy to try to pull it off when the post is still on the same page. #709.

Checkmate.

You two are so catty.

Am Not! :D

Hell, we have to wait till Sunday.. so we have to figure SOMETHING out.

Anyway, 2:00 AM. about time to head off to sleep.

If our noble gamemaster really wanted to fuck with us, he would have given us two doctors. And better yet give them two different set of guidelines. And two different kind of dreams. That would show us.

I hate posting at 2:00 AM. Lack of Sleep and caffine make Fozzie go something something. This is what I meant to say.

If he was REALLY twisted.. There would be NO werewolves! Everyone would end up lynching each other.

(reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode)

Let's see, you said you could only successfully save 2x a game, and I said you said you could only save successfully 2x a game. You said you doctored Tigercat on the first day and "you" on the second. I believe the "you" referred to Swaggs, but I cut out who you were replying to so I can't be sure. I said you doctored 2 people. While I did paraphrase, I didn't change the meaning.

I did say in a later post that you seemed to *imply* that you used your two doctorings. Obviously "imply" is subjective, but I believe that if this wasn't what you were trying to imply, you would have listed more than two people that you doctored.

So once again I say...I never claimed that you said you successfully doctored two people.

You know, I think you've done enough backtracking and word-twisting that your motivations should be pretty clear now to the rest of the villagers. I'm off to bed happy in the knowledge that you've dug yourself a nice big hole.

This day is lasting too long, I am starting to suspect myself. Maybe the ghosts will get around to accusing me later during their accusitory rounds.

hmm.. I'd go for the last word.. but no need.

Actually.. what the hell.. I'll give my last word on the subject.


Wombat.

"BRING OUT YOUR ACCUSATIONS!!!"

What makes you think you get the last word?

Kumquat.


dola

Seriously, I'm off to bed now.

There ain't no toppin' wombat.

That's a great last word.

But I reiterate with

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocius

G'night every body :D

And while we are accusing other people whats up with the whole "brother" thing. Funny, we didn't have brothers before. Is that some kind of medieval werewolf world talk for male trout sharers?

Don't even joke about this. If I found out that this is the reason for the big long discussion today, I would hunt down Peregrine and choke him with his socks.

Well, if you ARE both doctors, then you're both wildly incompetent, since nobody has been saved so far.

Unless NEITHER of you are doctors, and you just happen to know that the real doctor has long since been eaten....(have I said too much as an observer? Talking out of my ass anyway.)

I'm going to try very hard to stay out of this thread today (since I'd like to have a bit of a life on this fine Saturday), but it may be tough since this is like electric crack. I did want to throw out a few things for the group though.

I would urge all of the other villagers to read through all of SirFozzie's posts regarding what he claims to be his role as a doctor. Pay attention to how he describes his role, and pay attention to what he claims were his actions. Combing those two things, you should see some pretty big inconsistencies, or some very poor decisions. I could point out these inconsistencies and poor decisions, but since I am on the defense, I think they will have a greater impact if the other villagers see them and point them out.

If nobody else brings these questions to light, I will bring them out tomorrow. The questions should show everyone that SirFozzie isn't to be trusted, but I'm going to trust my fellow villagers to see them for themselves.

Keep in mind that SirFozzie called me a liar when I revealed my role, and everyone seemed to believe him. Starting with that assumption, it is easy to look past my arguments and believe everything else SirFozzie said. If you strip away that assumption, I think you will see the inconsistencies and poor decisions which prove that he is not on the side of the villagers.

And once again, I'll point out tomorrow all of the details that don't come out today to prove that I'm not just fishing for someone else to do my defense.

I hear what you are saying Brian, but what about the dreams? SirFozzie posted first about the exact same dreams I had. The dreams makes him a villager, which earns him a place in the circle of trust. Myself, Fonzie, Tigercat and SirFozzie. Everyone else I'm not sure about.

When SirFozzie first caught you in the "lie", you were shifting blame to KWhit and not SirFozzie. I found that strange, but then you turned your focus back on SirFozzie, as expected.

KWhit has been awfully quiet lately. I suspect he has some secret role that he isn't filling us in on, but is not associated with Brian.

Not sure why Jeff doesn't tell us his role. If Brian is the last wolf, the game is done. He stays on the suspect list with KWhit until he reveals.

The largest inconsistency is you not having the dreams, which is the damning evidence. The Doctor would have as a villager.

And why should there be an expectation to reveal your role? More harm comes out of that than good, I would hope no villager would want to sketch up a diagram for the bad guys unless they have a damn good reason. Not to mention if I wanted to I could just make one up (non existing, unlike Doctor ;)), and none would be the wiser. So what's the point?



Correct, that's what I am hoping for, that doesn't change anything though. I'm preparing for another day, since, whether it comes or not, that is the only situation that will require it.

I think you guys could be making a mistake deciding based on the dreams. Decide either way on the doctors, but I would seriously reconsider deciding based soley on the dreams.

It takes to many stretches and what ifs to make a point for Brians innocence. Besides, it seems pretty obvious to me that at the very least all villagers, regaurdless of their alignment, got the dreams.

Oh yeah, as far as the brothers, I thought the same thing, but Fonzie was cleared for the same reason you were.

Jeff then you are certain any baddies left but BrianD are villagers because of the dream? Again I think assuming something like that at this point is a mistake. I'm not worried about BrianD so much, it appears that bed has been made for better or worse. I am worried about next round if/when BrianD wasn't the last important baddie and therefore the game doesn't end. Who will yall go after? The knights because they didn't dream? Yea that will be great. Some of you guys scare the bejesus out of me.

Yes, unless I don't see something else when I go back(ie: someone lying bout the dream), the knights. This game isn't random, rules are set. One of the rules that I am pretty certain about is all villagers get the dreams that Taz makes.

If a lynched "Knight" doesn't end the game, I'd probably look at Kwit, and everyone will probably be looking at Kwit and I.

Somewhere along the line you need to grasp onto something or nothing will get done. You can't just discount everything because a doubt exists, or nothing would ever make sense. There is doubt in everything.

Actually, if you look at the votes, I've still got my vote on KWhit. I was attacking SirFozzie because I don't think he is on the side of the villagers, but I do think he is a villager. I think he is probably a sorcerer protecting KWhit. He is a villager getting the villager dreams, but he isn't working for the good of the villagers. Review what he claims were his doctor actions. Why did he do the things he did, and why didn't he do the things he should have done? This should show why he isn't on the good side.

What good does bringing all this stuff up do for him? By the initial description, floods generally last a week or slightly less. I believe this means 6 days. We are in day 4 which means we have to get through night 4 and night 5. The paths should be clear on day 6 and everybody can get to safety. We have two nights to survive, or more importantly, KWhit has two nights to survive and have he and SirFozzie win. If you incorrectly kill me today, SirFozzie is going to look pretty bad when another villager is eaten. Lynching him tomorrow still doesn't prevent his win when KWhit runs free. Likewise, if people turn on SirFozzie and another villager gets eaten tomorrow, everyone will jump on me. KWhit/SirFozzie still wins. The smart way to go is to lynch KWhit tonight and rejoice when no villagers die overnight. If that doesn't happen, lynch me tomorrow.

Again, pay attention to SirFozzie's "doctor" posts. Pay close attention. His actions show that he isn't working on the side of the villagers, which means his attack of me and his calling me a liar isn't working on the side of the villagers. He is leading everyone to a bad place, and everyone is following.

Good post Brian, but then I read one of your older posts regarding the dreams. Since your dreams are different than ours, you are not one of my faction.

Also, while reading old posts I found it interesting that Desnudo voting for the wrong person caused Airhog to get hung. Interesting.

I've never said they were the same. I explained how they were different, and I explained how I used them to perform my doctor duties. I'm glad you want back to read past posts, but now do the same for SirFozzie. Do his actions make sense if he is trying to help the villagers?

Couple that with NTNDeacon having a sword with his body and the ghosts being controlled by someone, where does that put our "knights"?

dola

I'm totally violating my decision to stay away from the electric crack today. :(

Ok after rereading the entire thread, I believe Desnudo and Swaggs are knights. Brian never changed his vote from Taz even after Taz outted himself (maybe he was away, who knows?). I think everyone has a role and this is how I have them setup in my mind.

Fouts/Fonzie - Brothers
SirFozzie - Doctor
BrianD - Wolf
Desnudo/Swaggs - Knights
Tiger - villager (gotta have some role, bodyguard?)
Jeff - Duke
KWhit - Ghostmaster

The last 3 are up for debate.

I don't think Tiger is the bodyguard. That's all I have to say about that. Fits though with what I've read earlier.

Again, it doesn't matter too much what yall think of my villager role as long as yall realize i am on the side of good. But I assure yall I am just the regular villager. Hell I was the ordinary villager last game too. It appears I am being type casted. Frankly, I wish I had at least a little role like doctor or bodyguard, being alone(at least the brothers can talk with each other) without a purpose but survival sucks a little. Ah well.

Jeff as the duke is interesting, as is Kwhit as the ghostmaster. Does that mean we are sure the Duke and Ghostmaster are "villagers"? I guess the Duke as a villager makes sense, but i am not sure about the ghostmaster. Even if good it would seem like the ghostmaster would be a strange enough role to be from outside the villager group, perhaps one of the knights or a baddie. Perhaps Kwhit is the bodyguard? Any other villager roles unaccounted for? Perhaps we have a cursed running around and hopefully not a cultist.

Somebody explain this situation, because figuring out ntndeacon's role is directly related to whether Desnudo/Swaggs are telling the truth.


And then that night;


Why does he have a sword, and why are the people of River's Edge upset at this killing??

Hmmm.

And this from the game setup;


I'm now suspicious of Desnudo/Swaggs, because if ntndeacon is a knight, Desnudo/Swaggs are not. What are they?

The instructions given in this game specifically said the roles would not be given out in death, isn't it too obvious to put the sword in the hands of someone that was a knight?

My soul will not rest in peace until the evil has been banquished

Is that Airhog's way of telling us he is under his own control and not voting for the "Knights" meant something? Or perhaps him saying that is a ploy and the ghosts can even be told what to say? For now, based on Airhog not voteing on the "knights," I believe them. But if there is still a game past BrianD's lynching there are lots of people to consider. Hell just about everyone but the brothers for me.

Dola, did any of you guys see if Airhog was browsing the thread before he posted?

Im a ghost I dont need to browse the thread before posting :P

This is an important post by Peregrine. It infers that he is giving us clues, and also tells us that somebody can see the roles of the dead. If only we had that guy with us, I would really like to know ntndeacons role.

I don't see anything that says anything about giving us clues at death, and I still contend that even if there is a clue a sword in the hand of a knight seems a little obvious. More like a big neon sign than a clue. But I had forgotten about the character who can see the roles of the dead. Is that person with us? If they are perhaps Kwhit or Jeff? That could be a minor power Jeff was talking about?

Yes, I'm just thinking about after we string up Brian. If the game doesn't end, where do we go from there?

if we knew who was who amongst the dead, then we'd have a good shot. I do think the controller of ghosts knows what the roles are.. after all.. if he can make them speak, he knows what they are.

Peregrine's description makes me wonder if we could trust the ghost-controller though..

Waiiiiiiit one second.

Dark Magicians in area. Ghost Controllers.

Could it mean a NECROMANCER?

I love reading this thread. and pass the ghostpipe!

:rattles chains:

wooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooowooooooooooooo!

I love reading this thread as well. It is really hard to bite my tongue and not give any clues from what I know and think.

I already explained being away when Taz outted himself.

You are going to have to be thinking about this, because it is the situation you are putting yourselves in.

BrianD - 8 (SirFozzie, jeff061, TazFTW, Desnudo, KWhit, Fouts, Airhog, Tigercat)
Swaggs - 5 (Barkeep49, Lathum, Eaglesfan27, kingfc22, ntndeacon)
KWhit - 1 (BrianD)

non voters - Qwikshot, Fonzie, Swaggs

I think the person who can see the roles of the dead is no longer alive. I haven't really seen anyone speaking about the dead with anything but speculation for several days now.

Why aren't all the ghosts voting the same way? Really confusing.

That block was all voting around the same time, seems to be the work of the ghost master.

Airhog's been going kind of nutty, but I'd trust him more than the block.

I'm guessing different ghosts have different agendas. They might still be trying to achieve their victory conditions, or going after those that went after them, or just voting randomly.

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.

Woa, you mean in a raising dead kind of way? That would be pretty cool. We haven't seen anyone come back from the dead though, unless its a protection type power. I am really starting to lean towards two baddies left though. One is a magician who can control the ghosts and the other is a werewolf. Unless they are the same person, which seems like it would be a bit much? Where that leaves voting I don't know, but I will stick with my BrianD vote for now. And I just thought of something, suppose everyone is a villager but BrianD, the werewolf, and that magician. Would the game end with the werewolf dieing? Or with the magician in our mist would it continue? If the magician left can only control ghosts and can't kill, what would be his motive, simply to try and lynch an innocent?

And I am NOT the ghostmaster. I have no control over those bitches.

And speculating on the back story and the dreams and the possibility of a magician, couldn't a magician recieving the dream be explained because a magician is magical, whereas the knights are just knights and aren't from the village? Just a random though.

Edit: killing the dola and adding, I am not sure we can trust Airhog's vote if we can't trust the block, it may be in the ghost controllers interest to make airhog seem independent....

No, I mean a Necromancer that can control/animate the ghosts..

Ok, Peregrine says we all have a role. KWhit as the Duke or something similar. What are Tiger and Jeff?

I think this is a clue. A knight would have said "vanquished".

That is convenient. Wait until there are some questions about the claims of SirFozzie and then come out with a threat against everyone if he gets killed. If he is telling the truth and we lynch him, he'd probably kill me and you guys would still have me dead. If he isn't telling the truth, the game will probably end.

I'm a little disappointed that nobody seem so be discussing SirFozzie's doctor claims. It seems like people aren't even trying to have an open mind. You'll eventually realize your mistake...

The only one who has questions about my claims is you. :D

and here comes the whiplash ghosts again.. it's like the tides.. :D

That is what scares me. People are following you blindly, and they don't see the edge of the cliff coming.

Unvote Swaggs

Vote SirFozzie.

Hmm.. Could we have a Witness in this game? Looking in V saw it play a major role there too.

That's ANOTHER role we could have, amongst those who haven't declared a role yet.

You will never rid the world of HornsManiac. Never!

Dola-

The only thing I'm certain of at this point is that the extra day of deliberation has resulted in lies of even greater complexity.

Well done, gentlemen.

Well, the ghostmaster is doing his thing. I wonder if we are outnumbered?

I don't think so. It doesn't seem that enough of the ghosts are under his direct control to do that.

Anyways, I just re-read something that SirFozzie posted that has me very convinced that he is in fact a villager. I won't say what it is as doing so would border on meta-gaming, but it is enough to get me off my fence and vote for BrianD.

Unvote Swaggs
Vote SirFozzie

So you're saying you're The Hunter then, correct?

Then who was the one who stabbed the guy earlier? The Brutal Wolf?

Interesting thought.

Looks like I will have to bring out all the points tomorrow to show why SirFozzie isn't a doctor on the side of the villagers. I was really hoping that other villagers would see the inconsistencies and point them out, but it looks like nobody even bothered to look. Sadly I think SirFozzie has got everyone so completely believing his lies that nobody is even looking to make sure their assumptions are correct. SirFozzie, you've played your mind games well. I guess you deserve a win.