Unless the person i sent the potion to is going to use it...i hope he doesnt, but its possible since the potion doesnt reveal roles

My circle includes noone but the Hammer guy, and that's only if the mask is destroyed tonight.

Going to bed. Tired of hearing of Meet the Parents here. Again, I have my silver bullets beside me...

Oh, and by the way, it's time to pass on another handy dandy item to my hammer buddy.

inside my gun.

This point means nothing. The wolves have NO CLUE who the sorcerer's are. Seems very odd that you are trying to protect a potential wolf, especially since digamma said he was going to PM henry...

You badly want villagers dead, for some reason.

Read my second post, since people didn't understand the first one. The evil guys wanted a tie (including digamma), so why would a wolf break a tie and expose himself?

Some of you guys are either wolves, or working real hard to help them. It boggles the mind. How about coming up with some clues rather than trying to squash any clues that are brought up?

Current Score:
Villagers 15
Wolves 2

They kill tonight, so it goes to 14-2
If Fouts the villager dies tonight we are down to 13-2
If Fouts the wolf dies tonight it is 14-1
If Fouts lives by way of potion, there is going to be some serious suspicion tomorrow.

That is why I really hope you (Fouts) live by the Ointment and the Ointment alone. The Potion may only end up keeping you alive one more day, even if you are a villager :(

Hoopsguy, why in your PMs with Digamma were you offering advice on how he should defend himself. If I called him out and he told you that he didn't have a mask, you should have been very suspicious of him. I'm not comfortable with the fact that you tried to help him with no suspicion at all.

If hes saved by the potion tonight, ill announce who i passed it to and he can be thrown under the spotlight...but remeber its not an expensive item and someone could have bought it last night

Peregrine has asked me to CC him on my PMs although I have forgotten to a bunch of team since the PM function doesn't have a reply to all.

The problem is... there is no guarantee that the ointment exists. So telling the guy with the potion not to use it, effectively kills me. I think it is pretty obvious I am a villager, but I realize trust is only gained once you die.

No problem, see you all in the next game.

I'm pretty sure I've cut my credibility way down this game after supporting Digamma, but in the spirit of generating clues (as requested by Fouts):

1.) We have seen very, very little of Schmidty and MrBug in this game. Eagles has also been very close to the vest. Quiet would seem like optimal wolf qualities at this time, given the villager/wolf ratio. Let blabbermouths like me generate the distrust among villagers and defend the wolves. Second tier of quiet guys includes Mr. Wednesday, Kingfc, and Coffee Warlord - they have posted a few times, but I can't recall anything remotely controversial from any of these guys.
2.) I think Vince is innocent, but not enough to bump up into the Circle of Trust. He had questions about purchasing items earlier that indicated he was not in the know about this. I find it hard to believe that a wolf, collaborating with two other wolves, would not know this. If it is a trap, then nicely laid I suppose ...
3.) If Real is telling the truth about holding onto the Coat of Arms the first two days I would urge him to consider passing it now that he has outed himself. The wolves know who the wolves are and that there are a limited number of items that can defeat them. Having them know where one of those items is makes it more likely that a villager dies during the night. The other side of this is that you could inadvertantly pass it to a wolf - choose wisely if you do move it.

I would love to hear what other people are thinking. Since we can't PM with the other villagers, failing to chime in from time to time makes it that much harder to form any kind of impression.

I posted evidence on my target for the first few days(realdeal) quite repetively with only dubb noticing it(he agreed, and is conveniently now dead)...if the only other person to accuse the guy i accused is now dead by night action, im hesitent to act...

Brian, I'll try to replay my thought process over again, realizing that I'm working backwards now with knowledge I now possess.

1.) I saw that he was accused. I wanted to get the Mask/No Mask thing out in the open as quickly as possible.
2.) It struck me that a wolf would always say he had the mask at some point - which is why in the PM I indicated 'I wish you had said something earlier'
3.) When he said he didn't have the mask at any point - again, a surprising tactic (to me) for a werewolf to take it pretty much made one of you a werewolf
4.) Once I considered how I would play as a werewolf, and that I would not even think holding onto a one-shot cloak for two days, I didn't think he was the wolf
5.) Since I thought you were the wolf (sorry again about this) I then tried to assist him
6.) Some lingering guilt about how we played out the Lathum thing yesterday played a role at some level

That is about all I can offer on this topic. I'll try to expand on any additional questions you might have. I've tried to provide as much value to the villagers here as I possibly can - especially in light of the fact that I screwed the pooch so badly on this one.

I'm kind of waiting to see what my hammer man does. Guys, feel free to pass items on to me, the wolves haven't figured it out yet.

My circle of trust has just expanded...to the moderator.

Blade, misunderstanding a hint I was trying to drop to you about my item is not evidence. Hell, before Digamma was accused of being a wolf, he was trying to frame me. I'm beginning to think that you're dumb like a fox.

Hoops, I agree with you about the coat. I don't want to say too much because I want to keep the wolves guessing, but I agree with your point.

Yep, not telling you to pass it - just indicating what you did now should at least put some guesswork back into the process for them.

It was quiet, too quiet.

Looks like whoever had the Ring of Wisdom knew what they were talking about.

If you're actually in Chicago, you need to fix your board time zone setting. :p

For someone who just supported a wolf publicly, you seem awful eager to start a bandwagon early. I posted that I'd be gone til after the vote and while I don't have much analysis to offer I've still been active enough to read what's going on.

Remember, the wolves did not know who the sorcerors were, nor vice versa.

I have no insight whatsoever, the only item I held was the tablet, which was passed to Lathum with a message of little import. Realistically, we've had very little to go on until the Digamma vote, and even that one picked up steam quickly enough that I would think the wolves would have gone for the "lynch" side.

Oh well. Not a lot you can do when a seer gets you this early in the game.

digamma -- for what it's worth, I think you played it about as perfectly as you could have. If I didn't consider the strategy behind BrianD, I would have thought you were innocent...the non-use of the Mask defense was quite a powerful ploy, I thought.

Thanks for the thoughts -- the buying items thing was pretty retarded on my part, but the real reason that I overlooked it was because most of the items you listed as 'I would rather have this than the Cloak of Whispers' were items you could not buy, and were not very likely to be passed, ever. Still a pretty ridiculous mistake, and probably quite telling of what sort of item I have.

Currently, what I think...well, there's a lot that I don't know. I am a little concerned about Ardent right now -- I can understand the whole Mask thing, but why is he dead-set on destroying everything? In reference to post # 704 -- This isn't much to worry about, because tonight something will (should?) be destroyed, and we will know whether or not the 'smith is on the level. It would also go quite a ways towards clearing Ardent. So though I'm worried about him, it should resolve itself with no effort on our parts.

hoopsguy falls under the BrianD defense -- why in the hell would he so vocally defend digamma if he knew that digamma was a wolf? Terrible, terrible strategy in a game where the wolves are hugely outnumbered. However, "it's crazy enough that it just might work!" I'm not ready to completely clear him because it looks like a stupid move.

Fouts...well, Fouts is a tough one. I'm pretty much sure that he's a villager, but I don't think anyone else agrees with me really. While I want to keep him alive, I think it wouldn't do anything but negatively impact us. What worries me is that when someone uses the ointment on him, THAT PERSON is told what Fouts' role is. We then have to believe the user of the ointment when they tell us what Fouts' role is. If the Ointment is owned by a wolf right now, we're up shit creek without a paddle on Fouts.

BrianD -- he's on the level. What can I say? The guy straight outed a wolf. If he's sacrificing one of his own this early in the game while they're already WAY behind...man, ballsy move. I think it's safe to say he's a good guy.

And everyone else...well, I don't know really anything about them. Last night I had an extremely strong suspicion of SnDvls, but the day's events sort of made me ignore that. He was fairly quiet today if I remember correctly...

I think I'd like to wait a bit more before jumping on the quiet guys like Schmidty and Mr. Bug -- while I think it's a great strategy for the wolves (especially when they're so outnumbered), people do have lives.

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What I find funny is that you (and everyone else) will clear Brian, but not myself, when we both did the same thing - put our necks on the line to get a wolf. The only difference is my wolf was actually a sheep in wolves clothing.

We did the same thing, we are both villagers. I fear it is too late.

And how can it negatively impact the villagers if I am alive using items against the wolves???

The night is misty and cool, with the smell of fear in the air. Will the villagers be able to find the remaining wolves? They've done well so far, but wolves are notoriously crafty. There is screaming at one point, and in the morning the body of BrianD is found, he was an innocent villager.

Fouts is found alone and dead in his cabin. He was an innocent villager, but the poison claimed his life.

The broken remains of a Mask of Lies were found in the village this morning.

edit - Fouts had three silver pieces on his body, these were distributed at random among the people of the village!

Day 4

Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
kingfc22
sundvls
blade6119
Coffee Warlord
Henry296
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
eaglesfan27
hoopsguy
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army
Mr. Wednesday
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

Lynch votes due by 8 pm eastern.

Just as I thought, good luck sheep.

Sorry man, but I think you would have been voted off tomorrow or the next day anyways -- and since you were a villager, that wouldn't have gotten us anywhere but allowed the Wolves to go a day without worrying about possibly being lynched.

13-2. While I don't mind the fact that we are winning this thing, and will eventually win it, we just traded 4 humans for 1 wolf. At that rate, only 5 of us will finish this game. I'd like to think that we'd want more to survive in the end, but that's just me. :)

Down to business. Let's think about this for a second. At the point which we killed two sorcerors, the wolves' best strategy would have been to lay low. (Think like a wolf...be the wolf) However, yesterday probably threw a monkey wrench into their plans. When BrianD outed digamma, I would guess that they would scramble to protect their already small number. Let me do a post check analysis. brb

Well, there certainly is a player in my circle of trust now, the hammer man. He should be destroying something tomorrow for us as well.

Take it for what it's worth. I already told you what I believe about the post count activity. Dolaposts and multiple dolaposts only count as one post. If someone interrupted your dola and you responded, I counted both of your posts. This is raw data and doesn't take into account content of posts.

Name: Day 2 posts/Day 3 posts

Ardent: 14/7
Raiders: 13/15
BrianD: 10/9
hoopsguy: 10/18
Coffee Warlord: 7/7
RealDeal: 7/6
Mr. Wednesday: 7/2
henry296: 6/6
Vince: 4/12
SnDvls: 4/6
Superman: 3/2
Blade: 3/1
MrBug: 2/4
Schmidty: 2/1
Eaglesfan: 1/7
kingfc22: 1/1

The ones I put in red are the ones whose post counts when up substantially when a wolf's head was on the line. The ones in blue are the ones whose post counts went down.

Although MrBug's post count doubled, he didn't post much anyhow, so I don't consider him a prime suspect....yet.

Also, I'm fairly certain a good strategy by the wolves would be to have one of the other two defend digamma while the other one laid low. So with that theory in hand, I think one of the red names above is a wolf and the other is probably at the bottom of the list.

As someone mentioned earlier, I think I should be cleared since Fouts was a villager. I think I've proven I know who has the hammer as well, and believe they're in the clear as well. Might not be, maybe he's a wolf playing along.

My post patterns changed strictly due to the fact that my wife was home all day on day 2, and I didn't get a chance to post from work on that day. On day 3, she went out a while which gave me a chance to post more. She is on vacation this week, so my voting will be somewhat sporadic (however, I'm hopeful I'll get a chance to post from work a few times today.)

Dola -

Also, I'll make sure I make time to post if I have something substantial to say.

Good news on the destroyed mask. Bad news on the dead villagers, particularly since Brian was the most widely trusted after yesterdays events and Fouts would have been very close to in the clear if healed by the ointment.

Ardent, would you be willing to indicate what item you think is being destroyed next? A couple of people have expressed concern about you destroying every item that comes to you; I would like to think you are helping us eliminate items dangerous to the villagers.

Also, I wanted to let everyone know that I have passed the Notebook on to parts unknown.

Peregrine, does the Notebook detect an item that has been purchased that night? Not who has it, but that it is in the game? I'm thinking Book of the Damned here, which I consider a very, very big threat to the villagers at this point.

I'd rather not at this point. I might later if it's that much of a concern. I'd rather not let the wolves know what's getting destroyed. I wouldn't be concerned about me destroying items that would benefit us, the villagers. I certainly wouldn't do that. I'm only sending the Hammer things that are dangerous to us.

That said, the only thing I picked up yesterday was a friggin silver piece. I'd like to think that someone would have sent me something to be destroyed...I was a little surprised nothing came my way. I figured you guys would trust me by now. With the mask destroyed that maybe that will clear the way for more items to come my way.

Good job, BrianD. Thanks for the help. Sorry you perished.

Raiders, I'm not sure why you group Eagles and Vince along with me in red - yes, their post count was higher on one day but did either of them speak up for Digamma in the least? I recall feeling very lonely yesterday - which ended up being a very good thing since Dig was a wolf.

Fouts as a villager absolutely defines that Lathum had a mask - don't think there was enormous doubt on this point but it is now confirmed. Another mask was destroyed last night. This should increase the value of the 'seer' items - much less chance of a false reading. We still have sufficient numbers that going for a 1:1 trade makes little sense for the wolves. But that advantage will only hold up for a couple of days if we do not continue to collect wolf hides.

I thought I might wake up this morning dead. I hoped that no longer having a helpful item would save me, but I guess not. I think vengence won out over strategy, and that helps the villagers. Go get 'em guys.

I'm pretty close to trusting you, AE. If the item that is destroyed tonight is wolf-friendly like the mask that would be one more step in that direction.

I wonder if I'll be next now since I got the mask destroyed. The wolves have to believe I'm serious at this point.

I'm assuming you mean, if it was used tonight on an item purchased tonight? No, because in the order of events, items are activated before items are purchased. It would confirm whether an item is in the game or not though, at the time it was used.

For those villagers accumulating silver it probably makes sense to start purchasing items that are a threat to the wolves.

Dart (3)
Ointment (2)
Water (3)
Lance (6) - serious savings required
Pendant (3)

I think we would have to be suspicious of anyone holding the Coat of Arms - it buys the wolves an extra day of eating.

What are people's thoughts on the hidden vote items? My thought is that they are more wolf-friendly than villager friendly, since disguised votes are more beneficial to the hunted by potentially skewing voting patterns. Not that we have had particularly close races the last two days ...

[quote=hoopsguy]Raiders, I'm not sure why you group Eagles and Vince along with me in red - yes, their post count was higher on one day but did either of them speak up for Digamma in the least? I recall feeling very lonely yesterday - which ended up being a very good thing since Dig was a wolf./QUOTE]

You're in red because your post count went up. Eagles and Vince's post counts went up substantially. The reason why I believe that may be an indicator of evil is that the more you post, the more chances you have to muddy the waters.

Lord knows at this point, I am contributing to this as well, but hopefully I'm trying to clear the waters instead of muddy them. One of the things to take into account for multiple posts is that someone who may not have internet access at work will come home and see four pages of stuff to wade through. Do you think that person will actually read all of it, or just skim everything and maybe read the last page?

Again, low post counts on a day when two villagers are on the line and then an increase of post counts on a day when a wolf is on the chopping block could be an indicator towards them being a wolf. I'm not saying they (or you) are a wolf...I'm just saying it may be a clue.

I'd really like to edit that post, but oh well. Don't know how the other bracket got deleted.

To be honest, I really don't know which way to go right now.

Realdeal claims to be holding this...

If he had it, the logical move would have been to pass it off last night. That's a huge item if it fell into the hands of the wolves.

Ya, but i think hes a wolf...so im a little worried...

Thought the fact that there could very well be another sorcerer around is worth noting...they might not of, but i havent seen any moves by them to make me think they spent their money...since fouts was a villager it would have been pointless for one of the bad guys to kill him since we were doing it for them

Another point about my posts count going up. All of my posts were strongly in support of lynching Digamma! I don't know how my extra posting "muddied the waters."

If anything, I'm useful for clarifying the waters.

Real, just wanted to clarify my thoughts on the Coat of Arms, as I did some thinking on this item over the night.

That item is much more useful to a wolf than to a human. If we end up voting to lynch someone and they are protected by the coat there is a strong likelihood we will go back to them the next day. If that person is a villager, they have now given the wolves one more day to eat. And, if there is another bandwagon, we gain nothing in the voting patterns.

I don't want this item falling into wolf hands - I would prefer that it is out of the game. So I understand some trepidation about passing this item if you are a villager. But the coat protects you from villagers, not wolves. By revealing you have this item (assuming you are telling the truth) you are making yourself a target for the wolves.

Dola - I have no interest in receiving this item from you in the event that you do pass it. I would suggest that you move it to someone who is not likely to be among the clubhouse leaders for lynching. Don't want to save a wolf, don't want to put a villager in the spot where he is trapped the next day by its activation when he is headed for gallows (detailed this situation in earlier post).

I agreed with your message yesterday. I'm not going to say anything at this point about who I passed it to or I passed it. I agree that it's a dangerous item, and the wolves need to be left guessing about it.

It should have been passed last night, and the person that it should have been passed to is pretty obvious to me; saying that much is probably still putting too big of a target on their back.

Since no one has offered up a suspect yet, I'm guessing that anyone with a seer power either saw villagers or hasn't been online yet.

Tactical question for the group - is there any harm in revealing that you viewed someone and they were a villager? I suppose there is if you are looking to hold onto the item for another night. But the wolves know who the wolves are - and right now it really feels like we are groping in the dark while trying to target the last two.

Of course, a wolf can claim he viewed the other wolf as a villager - but that is a very dangerous end-game for them if at some later point a villager decides to view one of those two to validate their claim.

I personally think the seer should lay low until he has viewed two werewolves (unless the odds become heavily slanted against the villagers.) However, with our current expected ratio of villagers to wolves, if I was the seer I'd lay low until I could identify two wolves or somehow drag out the second wolf.

Understood and I can agree with that logic, but what do we do tonight? Go for the tie again?

I don't know. Hopefully, some good information will come up this afternoon that will point us in the right direction.

Well, I know that Blade is either a wolf or an idiot.

Except the one time a hidden vote was used, it nailed Digamma as the only vote. Kind of stupid for the wolves to use it on themselves as a singular vote right?

Yeah, I don't know what to think of it. Did someone have it who was a seer previously or who was able to communicate with a seer? And if so, and we see another vote like that, will it mean the same thing, or will it be cast by a different person who may have different motives. Looking back, I don't think it was a coincidence, but I don't know how helpful it is going forward.

My guess is that BrianD did it? He died, and obviously can't come forth to take credit for it.

Is it me or is there very little silver in this game?

checking in this morning, but nothing to add to the conversation.

I'll echo Eaglesfan27's sentiments on the post-count explanation. Yesterday, I started work at 5:30 PM PST. The day before, I started work at 11:00 AM PST. That's why I didn't post much. I tend to talk a lot in these games :)

I'm starting to think that hoopsguy is on the level -- "stupid wolf strategy" combined with a seemingly well-intentioned pass looks good. The item he passed could be useful for determining a target for the wolves, so I don't think he would have given that up if he was a wolf.

Remember that there is no specific seer role, rather two items that confer seer powers -- one multi-use, one single-use. The single-use one only costs three silver, so there may be some of them around at this point.

If you haven't had items since passing one the first night you should have accumulated 3 silver in addition to the one you started with - think I'm doing the math correctly there.

It would be great if a villager is able to get up to six silver and start playing bodyguard. Of course, the danger there is that it would take another two days to accumulate that amount of silver, assuming no items are passed. Then another day to get the purchase. So we would be four days out from being able to use the item. Those are the risk/reward ratios for just about all of these items.

What I don't understand is why the wolves haven't taken a shot at you or the three people you indicated yet? I'd imagine that the Smith's Hammer is something they would want to get rid of as quickly as possible -- destroying items seems to only detriment the wolves, unless one of them owns the hammer already, and destroying the mask was just done to keep them on the level. I don't think that is the case, but it's a possibility.

Does this mean that we can pass silver? If so, I think this opens up some interesting possibilities for the villagers (and the wolves). But given the villager numbers advantage, I think this is likely to work in our favor if it is possible.

Got me, I figured one of the three or myself would be dead already. I imagine with the mask being destroyed I'm a target for the wolves, that or one of the three are.

My gut feeling? One of the three is a wolf. I've got no proof whatsoever, but that's what I am thinking.

I've passed silver, I suspect successfully.

Do we know for sure, who has any items?

If we can in fact pass silver, then lets see what we can do to try and accumulate it to get some items. The trick here is to avoid helping the wolves accumulate extra silver so they can purchase a book or something else brutal to the villager cause.

If we are able to come up with some agreed upon circle of trust (using the term that was thrown around last night) consisting of maybe three people then we can agree to funnel money to one of those parties. Each person who buys into the 'move silver' concept can pick the person in the group of three they feel most comfortable with and allocate silver to that party.

The two wolves will try to hijack this process, either by attacking it or insinuating themselves within the 'circle'. Obviously it doesn't help them if the villagers are able to pool their resources and purchase villager-friendly items.

So lets see if we can get some kind of group-think around this idea to come up with a system that most of us can get behind. I think the concept makes sense, but really want help on establishing the details.

I absolutely know two people who hold three items.

Sure, if you have used the Hood then you know one person/item combo - for one night. After that, you can try to guess whether they would hold the item or pass it.

The Notebook can tell you if the item is in the game. And if the item was moved (passed or stolen) that night then you learn who has it at the end of the evening.

If you have PM'd someone via the Robe or Cloak they may tell you what item they possess. But you don't 'know' in this case.

There may be other items that play into this as well - going from memory in this reply rather than referencing the entire item list.

Edit - to correct made-up words and/or bad spelling

My analysis...

Kingfc22 - Is way under the radar. Has two posts in the last two days according to Raiders Army. Villager with a really good item, or wolf in hiding?

sundvls - He has been accused of being a wolf, but has seemed to dodge the accusations in the last two days because of Fouts and BrianD's revelations.

Blade - He has also been very quiet until today. He has accused RealDeal of being a werewolf. Seems to me to be a villager.

Coffee Warlord - One of the more talkative people. I have a really strong feeling he is a villager.

Henry296 - Seems to be good he did vote for Digamma pretty early yesterday. I think villager.

eaglesfan27 - Was very active yesterday. Wanted digamma to get lynched. Villager.

hoopsguy - The most talkative. He strongly defended digamma. He has admitted that he looks suspect. Wolf or villager?? The way he voted yesterday makes him look like a wolf.

schmidty - Very quiet. I have no idea.

Vince - Most of his posts agreed with the majority: kill digamma, let Fouts die, and I believe BrianD. Villager.

RealDeal - Claims he has the Coat of Arms. The good item for a wolf. A few accusations have been thrown his way. He was the leading canidate yesterday until he revealed he had the Coat of Arms and BrianD revealed what he saw. Wolf or Villager??

Raiders Army - Has done a lot of analysis, looks like most people trust him. Villager.

Mr. Wendsday - Very quiet yesterday, he was one of the last few to join the bandwagon yesterday. Possible wolf or villager with little internet access yesterday?

Mr. Bug - Also joined the bandwagon late yesterday. I have no idea. Seems to ba a villager.

Ardent - He is the master of the circle of trust. Likes to destroy items. He says the items he destroys are for the good of the villagers. Villager until proven otherwise,with destructive tendencies.

Kingfc, Sundvls, and Schmidty to me stand out. One of them possibly could be a werewolf.

I didnt join the bandwagon late, I joined the bandwagon early. ;)

I'm not going to hurl any accusations at any of the 3 people that voted for me, though I suspect one to be a wolf. I don't want to give the wolves a shot of figuring out who has the Hammer. If I accused one, that could make the choice who has the Hammer 50 or 100%, depending on if I have the right guy or not.

In fact, I'll go on the record that I won't vote for any of them.

Does anyone know if Schmidty is unable to access the boards during work hours? He's been the quietest of us all, just curious if the real world gets in the way.

And yes, I am the master of the circle of trust.:) That mask being destroyed must have proved that.

I can get behind this as well. The problem is that everyone looks innocent at this point. Weighing the risk/reward of the whole thing, this is what could make or break us. Either it will work really well, or we'll get decimated.

That warning aside, I think this is a sound strategy. We can minimize our risk by working in groups of three. That way if a wolf does get extra silver, it's only one, maybe two pieces. We can also leverage our superior numbers at this point and even if they are able to buy something with three silver, we should be able to get at least two items worth three silver each.

It's a good idea, but we're going to be shooting in the dark mostly. Anyone we implicate is an immediate suspect for the wolves to kill.

What about the Guise of the Imposter? It hasn't been brought up yet (much), but passed items aren't a sure thing.

I will go on record now that I am a villager. I did have the ring of vision. I used it on night two for fouts. I did not want to pass it to someone I didn't know, which in this case I don't know who is who. so I wasted it, also in hopes I'd be passed an item. I hold no item and have only had the ring of vision. I would be willing to play the silver pass game if that is what is agreed upon, but I'm not sure who to trust. I know who I don't trust though. Ardent would have to be at the top of my list in trusting though of those of us left, if he's a wolf he's one hell of a used car sales men.
There are a couple of you out there trying to point a finger at me. mabey trying to deflect off yourself, not sure? I was accused by one person Lathum. What have I done to cause this speculation?

Well, not much, really. Which is why even though I got a pretty suspicious feeling from you, I didn't really follow up on it at all. We'll see what happens as this starts to play out.

If he's taken an item, then I would absolutely know two people who hold two items. And I'll be pissed.

okay on day 1 I suggested we get a tie so we don't off any villagers. Who were the two tied at that point? Ardent and Fouts. Fouts is confirmed villager. Ardent is believed by me and just about everyone else to be a villager. Why would a wolf want a tie between two villagers? so a wolf would have to take out an extra person? doesn't make sense, the odds are already stacked against them going in.

A wolf loves a tie early in the game -- no voting patterns are established, no roles are revealed...nothing is learned. Even if it were between two villagers, a tie is great for the wolves on the first few days.

Qwikshot had the Notebook which went to Jeff when qwikshot was lynched. Was Jeff able to pass it before he was killed by the wolves?

I think the wolves like it better the last two days as it's been a run away with them. At least on day one you can see votes for many different people and lots of unvoting. Almost none of that on day 2 and only 1 on day 3 (realdeal)

That's what I would want if I was a wolf.

I would make a joke about selling you a car... :)

I'm gonna jump first.

vote Superman

reason: day 1 voted Ardent late (assumed human)
day 2 voted fouts (known human)
day 3 No Vote
day 4 shows up and points the finger at me. gotta start somewhere

Hoppsguy has been way to quick to defend a wolf and then spent the rest of the time trying to figure out who to lynch.

vote - Hoopsguy