why, me and Oliegirl haven't been in cahoots?

how are we being buddy buddy?

I;m sorry but I find it odd that Saldana comes up with this ill found suspicion against me then Neon Chaos unloads both barrels a short time later

I think there is a natural tendency in WW games for people t associate themselves with others of a similar role even if there is no game mechanic to do so. Maybe there is a game mechanic linked saldana and N_C that we do not know?

Or maybe they are just showing that affinity, but oliegirl just said she did want to lynch her knight, so let's not get too out of sorts at saldana and N+C

Boldded per Lathum's request

Odd, but not necessarily sinister.

Bold didn't come through, but I bolded the part that says :I don;t feel right voting for Lathum as he is my knight.;

that is WAY less then the 2 of them have been

i find it odd that you said you were out for the night and then suddenly reappeared after 2 votes came down on you

olie...as far as you and i getting onto the same page, i agree with not voting lathum right now...i think i have a pretty good idea about what he is doing.

i would be fine voting for CR...dont really have more than a hunch, but its a pretty good hunch.

Well, Ser Knight, if you move your vote away from the Friar, towards whom I do not strongly feel any ill will, perhaps we can find an impass between the Lord Liege and the Novice, which, despite my strong feelings about going with, seems to be the only choice.

Since the Bishop role is deliberately (sp?) vague about allegiance or victory conditions, I don't think Barkeep would allow that role to be either Gabriel or Lucifer. Personally, I like the flavor of his posts, even though I'm sorely tempted to vote for him. I always enjoy when players get into their roles.

I don't have that tendancy, I only associate myself with people I know I am on the same side as.

I also am leary of people who try and question my obviously good intentions and people who use both their votes to tryt and lynch me

are you seriously trying to enlist this strategy?

Brad, you're awful quiet. Thoughts?

my vote stays on Saldana. The only way it changes is if I have to try and save myself

wow....am i the only one that thinks lathum is being rather defensive and blowing the entire "saldana and Neon_Chaos" thing waaaaaay out of proportion?

Well, at least I can certainly understand the latter.

again, trying to set me up.

Am I the only one noticing this?

anyone have a vote count?

Am I the only one not starting my posts with "Am I the only one"? ';)

Lathum, I think you should reconsider where you have your vote.

Yeah, vote count is good right now.

Let me see if I can bring the UTR guy to the table

PurdueBrad - whatcha thinkion>

why?

I admire your conviction, Ser. I think you have been erratic and have basically thrown us into a loop this day. My votes stay with you then, for the same reason.

No, but I also thought you were being really defensive after getting just one vote, so who knows?

11 people are here - practuially every player

What the fuck did I do to throw anyone in a loop??????

I come up with a plan that makes sense, then Saldana comes out and says it is pointless, when I explain myself he completly ignores the explination and continues to question my reasoning.

Then EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THE DEADLINE ALANT FEELS THE NEED TO DOUBLE VOTE CHIEF RUM COMPLETELY NEGATING THE PROPOSED PLAN

Show me where I did anything other then defend my plan or defend myself?

i honestly wasnt trying to be defensive....i can prove i am a villager if i have to, or at least challenge anyone to prove i am not

Because I don't think saldana is a demon. I believe he is aligned with the Bishop. I think its crucial for us to lynch a demon, and voting for saldana or Neon is not going to yield a demon.

and why should I trust you?

VOTE CHIEF RUM

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Hey guys, utr player here, hehe. Not quite my style, been a weird week. Anyway, I don't have any read on the votes, which is one of the reasons I'm willing to focus on carpentry, my expertise as the carpenter. I think that we can possibly finish this cathedral as villagers but I think some of the vote fighting has to be between wolves and angels or wolves and villagers. I'm not touching it, I'll take the normal win condition of pulling off the cathedral. If I read it right, we can get some structure protection from at least one angel, some villagers may be able to protect parts, etc. I think we're in decent shape building-wise, particularly since the wolves can't repeat actions for three straight nights.

Is this just a hunch, or do you have a basis for saying it?

i am still waiting for you to explain what we gain from having you order oliegirl to vote instead of all of us deciding on someone to do it voluntarily.

by your ordering her, we cant verify her as someone that will follow the will of the village, and by following your plan, we cant verify anyone else, because she (and you) are the only ones driving the days decision.

See my above post, don't want you to think I ignored you.

Let me add, I see value in Alan T's plan but I'm not sure if it is doable with two separate factions outside of us, particularly when it is in each group's best interest to force through a lynch vote. I support it though because I believe the voting might draw some lines between angels and demons from the villagers.

No reason whatsoever. But, I will tell you for the record that I am on the side of the village.

Now after reading some of the above, maybe it was Lathum's plan. Not sure, but it was one of their plans and I liked the idea of focusing on work, forcing the demons to choose between picking us off or the building (I think this does put pressure on the wolves as opposed to the usual game where the pressure is on us), and maybe letting the angels bag a demon or two.

The angels, as far as I can tell, are on the side of the village:

So, good Ser, you basically are saying that you think that the person who questioned your plan and not go against it has the stain of more guilt than that of he who actually broke your plan?

I was actually willing to go with your plan had you pulled through... I stated as much that I would have gone with the Page's vote. But then you cast the vote on the Friar, and have changed everything entirely.

Yeah, I saw. With all of the frenetic posting, I missed path's first request of you, but I caught yiour resonse.

I make the current status as:
Five votes on CR - 2xAlan, 1xst.cronin, 2xoliegirl
One vote on saldana - Lathum
Three votes on Alan - Anxiety, CR, CR
Two votes on Lathum - NC, NC

Dola, and construction per the previous update IIRC by st.cronin.

am I not doing a good job explaining this or are you trying to make me look suspicous.

If I order her to do it she then HAS to do it and we can't get screwed publicly.

of course we can't verify her, but we can't verify anyone else's alligence either. all things equal Oliegirl is just as trustworthy as anyone else so why not have her cast the single vote.

Count?

Thanks.

Yeah, I agree. My thought is let them do the picking off of demons, village focuses on working, and see what happens. Like I said, I think that by focusing on work and not accidentally killing ourselves off, we put the demons on the clock. Kind of like us building a lead and then running out the clock some. Make them make the moves and see if we can keep them on their heels. It might be naive since they have the power to kill us but the angels can do the same thing via the daily lynches if we let them step up and we stay the heck out.

oh, ok then, I trust you

That should read: the angels can do the same thing to them via the daily lynches...

so me changing your aganda equals throwing the whole day into a loop?

I'm leaving the saldana/Lathum thing alone. If I'm then going to choose between Chief and Alan, I have no reason to vote Chief based on his action of putting a first vote on Anxiety. However, Alan put the quick second vote on him, and I believe he has tried to make far more effort in tying people together who have no real relation that I see, so I will

VOTE ALANT

And with that I'm out for dinner.

Aye.

i understand perfectly what your plan is...i just think it is a bad plan.

if we agree that for instance, PurdueBrad, is going to cast the single vote for me tomorrow, and instead, he votes for you, we have learned something...but doing it your way, we learn nothing, because only one person ever has any activity that gives us information.

Is BK sticking with a 10 pm deadline even though he won't be around, or is deadline just going to be whenever he gets back?

self rightous ass ;)

I woul dbeleive so (its int eh thread title)

10pm deadline, even though bk isnt here

That PurdueBrad is always stirring the pot (or so says my wife). :)

I'd assume 10 pm by the timestamps. That's how it usually goes. Then we get a period where we're in limbo, with the results set in stone but not actually executed yet.

Of course, if she called me PurdueBrad all the time, that would be awkward. Or if she ever called me that for that matter!

OK, then I'm out for the night...will catch up in the morning :)

Again, what is this fascination with beasts of burden?

We are at a stalemate about our view of things then? It seems our votes matter not, anyway. There will be tomorrow to argue all day long, Ser.

anyone else with a late breaking vote?

so let me get this straight.

You understand my plan perfectly, yet you are waiting for me to explain it?

7 - 4 then in favor of CR.

I think my final action is best turned to work. We may have blown a chance at finishing the cathedral today.

WORK ON ARTWORK (2nd action)

i just wanted to make sure there were not any late shenanigans with only a one vote margin...i thought about going with alan, but there is always tomorrow.

well, that's certianly true.

He understands what it is, just not why you wanted to do it.

i thought, perhaps, you had some perspective that i was missing that added value that no one else could see....in case you didnt notice...a number of other people thought your plan was lousy too.:p

barkeep said he was going to be late for the deadline

not true :mad:

Well, that looks like it. I have 10 on my cumpter screen.

timestamp

I'm out for the night. A bit disappointed if we allowed ourselves to get caught up in lynching when we could've forced the action with the cathedral. If I read it correctly, we could've finished tonight, had the wolves sabotaged it, we could've re-finished it tomorrow, and then the wolves couldn't attack it as they are limited to the same action two nights in a row, not a third straight. Had we forced that, then we should've been set up for a pretty solid victory the next day but maybe I'm wrong.

Update for BK:

Caprentry (5) – Purdue (561), Purdue (581), path (585), Pass (606), Pass (607)
Roof (1) – Lathum (562)
Artwork (4)– Anxiety (589), Mr. W (663), st.cronin (674), Schmidty (675), Mr. W (767)


Chief Rum – 7 - Alan (610), Alan (610), st.cronin (674), oliegirl (732), oliegirl (732) , saldana (763), saldana (763)
Alan T - 4 -Anxiety (668), Chief Rum (678), Chief Rum (678), path12 (752)
Lathum - 2 - Neon Chaos (685), Neon Chaos (685)
Saldana – 1 - Lathum (652)

Actions Remaining:
Schmidty 1

Left to do:

Walls - Finished
Roof - 1 unit of work (1 done)
Windows - Finished
Artwork - 9 units of work (5 done)
Carpentry - 6 units of work (5 done)

Depending on how many demons and villagers we started with, we may well have been at endgame. I am assuming that for the demons victory condition, angels and bishops do not count.

alriight, Im' out for a wlittle ile. I roomate rnted Lewis Blacks comedy show and Im gonna go watch it with her.

Wow, we definitely could've finished the cathedral, circled the wagons, repaired any damage tomorrow and scored the likely victory the next night. We lost fourteen actions on votes and one on an unused action and had just five units of work to go...bad sign.

I hadn't considered this, I assumed at least angels counted in our overall population compared to that of the wolves. If the angels are removed, crap, that does cut the numbers and means we could be in trouble of falling to that 1:1 ratio.

I think Cronin's count is off.

I believe there was only 1 unit of work left to be done on the roof and I completed it

That's what my count actually shows - I put in parentheses what people posted they had done. So, we started needing 9 units of artwork, and people posted 5.

ok, got it

I sense that the Lord is close at hand.

Ok people seem happy with cronin's count. I have not double checked this as there were about 2 pages to go. I'm going to start my write-up and give people one last chance to object to his #s. The lynch vote doesn't seem close so if there's something off about the work on the Catheral I should sort that out when I go through and double check it.

You guys also blew a chance at lynching a demon today. Altogether banner day for the villagers.

cronin has to be a demon. He just can't be as awful a player as he looks right now.

Well, cathedral ain't done, and you sure as heck didn't hang a demon today, so unless you think the demons are about to win, you're not at endgame.

The poor innocent. Honoring his promised vow of silence, the novice was not as loud in his participation in the first couple of days and this proved to be his undoing. But he died true to himself and unscathed by any demonic force. In fact he was so holy that had the demons attacked him the angels would have recognized his holiness and made him one of their own.


Left to do:

Walls - Finished
Roof - Completed (May take no further damage)
Windows - Finished
Artwork - 4 units of work
Carpentry - 1 unit of work

No one's mentioned it, but I didn't use my second action. I apologize for that. I was making dinner (roasted chicken with stuffing and homemade mashed taters), and giving my daughter a bath at the same time, since my wife gets home at 8 pm my time, and asked me to do those things. I didn't want to get into trouble, and I lost track of the time.

Again, I apologize.

just wanted to point this out in case I am night killed

Shoot, I could have even been an angel. Wow, village is on a roll. Seer, potential angel...who next, Gabriel?

Oh well, hopefully next time some of you will make better choices. Good luck, village.

*Cackles* Go Demons!

RAh RAh Sis BOOM Bah

GO Demons Go Demons

Hail evil Hail Evil

WHOOP WHOOP


ok I'm dead I know....

I made a change to the wording of CR's death post. I changed might to would. There is no randomness involved in the game at this point.

Wait, did you change angels to demons, too? Because now it reads like I am so holy, the demons would make me one of their own. Huh? :)

Just curious, not that it matters.

Yup I made that unclear. So the point is if the demons had night attacked CR he'd have become an angel.

Weird, since wouldn't they then be akillin' me? ;)

I'll bring it up again after the game.

Blah, tough vote. I'm going to bed. Can we PLEASE get things moving with Lathum's plan again tomorrow? I'll catch up tomorrow morning, and think about who my vote to olie would be for.

Saldana, I'd really like you to prove this now, it would help us immensely in establishing a true CoT.