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HerRealName 10-31-2023 08:35 PM

There is always a push and pull on these rankings when it comes to deserves vs analysis. I just think they leaned into the deserves side of the coin too much. Georgia and FSU have both beaten some decent teams this year so I would give them the nod. It's all meaningless at this stage in the season and next week they very well may go the other direction.

Ghost Econ 11-01-2023 09:23 AM

I think I'm going to buy this, paint it yellow and blue, and hide it the next time I go to my Michigan friend's house.


Ghost Econ 11-01-2023 09:38 AM

He may also have been wearing smart ray bans on the sideline


miami_fan 11-01-2023 12:38 PM

Now I am starting to get interested in this sign stealing story. Can we get a photo of him in a team huddle?

HerRealName 11-01-2023 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3416815)
Now I am starting to get interested in this sign stealing story. Can we get a photo of him in a team huddle?


How about talking to Harbaugh in a conference with refs?

https://twitter.com/MattatechS/statu...43143124803959

Ghost Econ 11-01-2023 12:56 PM

I don't understand the people who think it didn't help. I get you don't know the exact play, but even knowing for certain if it's a run or pass is a pretty big help.

It's like knowing what type of pitch is coming in baseball. There's still a decent area where the ball can go left/right/up/down, but it's still one less variable you have to worry about. Or even which side a penalty kick is going to in soccer.

If anything the placebo affect of even thinking you have a leg up has to help with a player's confidence at the snap.

HerRealName 11-01-2023 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3416822)
I don't understand the people who think it didn't help. I get you don't know the exact play, but even knowing for certain if it's a run or pass is a pretty big help.

It's like knowing what type of pitch is coming in baseball. There's still a decent area where the ball can go left/right/up/down, but it's still one less variable you have to worry about. Or even which side a penalty kick is going to in soccer.

If anything the placebo affect of even thinking you have a leg up has to help with a player's confidence at the snap.


The Athletic did a survey of 50 coaches and the results mirror what you say here.

In college football, how much does knowing an opponent’s signals matter? Coaches weigh in - The Athletic

miami_fan 11-01-2023 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3416822)
I don't understand the people who think it didn't help. I get you don't know the exact play, but even knowing for certain if it's a run or pass is a pretty big help.

It's like knowing what type of pitch is coming in baseball. There's still a decent area where the ball can go left/right/up/down, but it's still one less variable you have to worry about. Or even which side a penalty kick is going to in soccer.

If anything the placebo affect of even thinking you have a leg up has to help with a player's confidence at the snap.


I don't think that anyone believes that it would not help. I think people believe that everyone does it at some level. So the question is where do individuals draw that line. I do think that there has been a rush to get to the everyone does it phase of things that happen when someone is caught breaking one of these rules. I don't know if Michigan is the first school to be accused, investigated etc. for sign stealing but if they are I feel like there is supposed to be lots of morale outrage over a violation to the integrity of the sport blah blah blah. Like we all knew that players were receiving extra benefits but whenever the first ones or twos came to light, we would all clutch pearls and demand the death penalty. One day, usually when our favorite school got caught, we all would decide that getting the extra benefits were not that big of a deal and then we would enter the everyone does it phase so there was no big advantage gained.

GrantDawg 11-01-2023 01:59 PM

If everybody does it, I hope they are at least covering it up better than these chuckle-heads.

Brian Swartz 11-02-2023 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg
The committee is obvious in its attempts to get people up in arms. It is boring at this point.


That requires no effort whatsoever. There is no imaginable rankings which wouldn't have that effect.

Ghost Econ 11-04-2023 06:29 AM

Release the Manifesto!!!


Ksyrup 11-04-2023 07:53 AM

Caught the end of Syracuse-BC (in case anyone was curious of how excited I am for an in-seasom NBA tournament) and saw the incredible stat that Dino Babers is now 0-32 at Syracuse when his team scores less than 20 points. Even in an era of high scoring offense that seems ... bad.

JPhillips 11-04-2023 08:55 AM

I hope Stalions got a huge payday for falling on his sword.

It's completely unbelievable that he spent all that money and then directly enhanced the gameplan without anyone else noticing.

tarcone 11-04-2023 09:01 AM

This season has been a shit show and will continue with a lame duck OC. The rest of the schedule is boring. Its a good thing we have an elite punter and defense. Makes it watchable.

Honolulu_Blue 11-04-2023 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3417239)
Release the Manifesto!!!



Time to shut down all of this nonsense. Harbaugh and the rest of the coaches knew nothing. Stalions was a rogue operative. Do you not trust the word of a Marine? Case closed!

Time to go back to our regularly programmed schedule of beating up on a bunch of nobodies.

What dumb season this has been.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3417248)
I hope Stalions got a huge payday for falling on his sword.

It's completely unbelievable that he spent all that money and then directly enhanced the gameplan without anyone else noticing.

I think it is possible this was running this without the knowledge of Harbaugh, but Harbaugh definitely knew this guy's primary job was sign-stealing. I think he could have ran the scouting program out of pocket and had the staff convinced he was breaking codes from just game-film.

It would still be a team violation because he was a staff member doing it, and they still could be hit with LOIC because of it.

HerRealName 11-04-2023 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417253)
I think it is possible this was running this without the knowledge of Harbaugh, but Harbaugh definitely knew this guy's primary job was sign-stealing. I think he could have ran the scouting program out of pocket and had the staff convinced he was breaking codes from just game-film.

It would still be a team violation because he was a staff member doing it, and they still could be hit with LOIC because of it.


Possible but do you think it was probable? I'd go like 99.9% he knew that more than tv copy was used to build their laminated cheat sheets that they produced before each game.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3417256)
Possible but do you think it was probable? I'd go like 99.9% he knew that more than tv copy was used to build their laminated cheat sheets that they produced before each game.

I would say 80/20 that someone else on staff above him knew what he was doing. I would say Harbaugh himself knew is probably 60/40. I think the strongest possibility is Harbaugh knew in a wink and a nod sort of way. He wasn't informed of everything going on, but he knew something was probably not up and up, and not to look at it too hard.

miami_fan 11-04-2023 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 3417251)
Time to shut down all of this nonsense. Harbaugh and the rest of the coaches knew nothing. Stalions was a rogue operative. Do you not trust the word of a Marine? Case closed!


This was the proper response from the beginning. You should be the next SID.

HerRealName 11-04-2023 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417257)
I would say 80/20 that someone else on staff above him knew what he was doing. I would say Harbaugh himself knew is probably 60/40. I think the strongest possibility is Harbaugh knew in a wink and a nod sort of way. He wasn't informed of everything going on, but he knew something was probably not up and up, and not to look at it too hard.


That last part is what I was including in my 99.9%. I think he knew but I tend to think he didn't know specifics. The CMU angle is what has me wondering if he had even more insight considering shark boy worked at UM with Harbaugh before taking that CMU job.

According to one of the Michigan beat writers, Michigan received an overwhelming amount of evidence yesterday and that totally changed the situation. There's no telling what all we'll learn eventually.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3417261)
That last part is what I was including in my 99.9%. I think he knew but I tend to think he didn't know specifics. The CMU angle is what has me wondering if he had even more insight considering shark boy worked at UM with Harbaugh before taking that CMU job.

According to one of the Michigan beat writers, Michigan received an overwhelming amount of evidence yesterday and that totally changed the situation. There's no telling what all we'll learn eventually.

But I was told this was all invented by Ryan Day's brother, so this will all end up with OSU getting the Death Penalty. At least that is what the Michigan boards are saying.

sovereignstar v2 11-04-2023 10:44 AM

Give Cleveland State the death penalty and be done with it

HerRealName 11-04-2023 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417262)
But I was told this was all invented by Ryan Day's brother, so this will all end up with OSU getting the Death Penalty. At least that is what the Michigan boards are saying.


They're calling for Day to get arrested on RICO charges. It's great entertainment.

tarcone 11-04-2023 11:15 AM

I think we are seeing the end of the NCAA as a ruling body. I imagine conferences will take care of their own going forward.

Galaril 11-04-2023 11:40 AM

Notre Dame playing a real team this week are going to get boat raced it seems.

bronconick 11-04-2023 12:29 PM

Coaches never ever learn that underdogs don't win upsets by kicking 20 yard field goals. It's so infuriating.

Atocep 11-04-2023 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3417291)
Coaches never ever learn that underdogs don't win upsets by kicking 20 yard field goals. It's so infuriating.


Its Schiano though. Did you really expect anything else?

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 12:38 PM

I was just going to say, I got excited when I saw Rutgers up 9-7 and then saw they have FGs of 20, 21, and 22. Three shots inside the 5 and no TDs. Seems like an easy bet to lose in the 2nd half.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2023 12:44 PM

It seems clear now that Stallions only resigned at UM so he could take a new job at Rutgers.

HerRealName 11-04-2023 12:51 PM

Ohio State is so bad in every first half but at least they usually have a small lead. That fake punt was so, so bad.

bronconick 11-04-2023 01:14 PM

35-9 final.

bob 11-04-2023 01:58 PM

ND has had three consecutive possessions with a chnace to tie and have gone 3 and out each time. Let’s see if they do it again.

Edit - sorry, on the second possession they picked up 20 on first down. Then went three and out.

bob 11-04-2023 02:07 PM

Make that 4 in a row.

I’m fine if Sam Hartman doesn’t play again after this game. And Parker is a terrible OC

bob 11-04-2023 02:11 PM

And here we go again - 5th time?

Also, dumb of Clemson to not run that to at least keep the clock running

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2023 02:14 PM

There are few programs who seem to hate any whiff of prosperity in a game more than Ole Miss.

"OleMissing" is pretty much a verb now, like Clemsoning.

bob 11-04-2023 02:16 PM

Drive 5 with chance to score - thrown int.

Let’s see how attempt 6 goes

bob 11-04-2023 02:21 PM

Drive 6 - Hartman throws to random positions of the field that have no players. Turnover on downs.

bob 11-04-2023 02:25 PM

3 carries for Estime this half. Seriously, wtf

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 03:02 PM

FSU without Keon Coleman AND Johnny Wilson and predictably struggling on offense. Yeah, it's Pitt, but you take away like 75% of the WR targets and that's tough.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 03:41 PM

Well, FSU is on serious upset alert. Pitt should be up a TD but the rest of our WRs are young and have no idea how to fight for a ball. Yeesh.

Galaril 11-04-2023 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob (Post 3417312)
3 carries for Estime this half. Seriously, wtf


They really need to join a conference……..the MAC.

bob 11-04-2023 04:45 PM

last six drives for ND gained 56 total yards.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 04:52 PM

Where are the GTech guys at? Y'all just won two game in a row for the first time in I don't know how long, and this game in pretty convincing fashion. Looks like Brent Key has the program going in the right direction.

bob 11-04-2023 04:56 PM

Don’t get me wrong, happy GT won but this messed up the lose one, win one thing that would have resulted in us beating Clemson and uGA

bob 11-04-2023 04:57 PM

Is uGAs field built on top of a sandbox?

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 05:08 PM

We don't have to worry about an undefeated Air Force anymore.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2023 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417334)
Where are the GTech guys at? Y'all just won two game in a row for the first time in I don't know how long, and this game in pretty convincing fashion. Looks like Brent Key has the program going in the right direction.


Dude, it was Virginia, a team that I'd guarantee doesn't make the playoffs in half the Class 7A regions in the state.

Are they better than some recent teams? Yeah, probably so.

Do I have any delusion whatsoever that they're a) relevant and b) ever will be relevant? None at all.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 05:23 PM

As much as people hate on Gary Danielson and Brad Nessler, these guys calling the Georgia-Missouri game makes them look like the best commentator duo to every work.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417345)
As much as people hate on Gary Danielson and Brad Nessler, these guys calling the Georgia-Missouri game makes them look like the best commentator duo to every work.


I'm not watching, but I turned it on for a few minutes and didn't understand what I was listening to. I haven't heard enough to know if it's bad, but it just sounds wrong.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 05:53 PM


Atocep 11-04-2023 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3417351)


The stats from this one are unbelievable. Neither team threw for 100 yards. Combined they didn't reach 150.

Total yards for the game was 339. They combined for 82 rushes for 193 yards. They were a combined 10-29 on 3rd downs. There was 101 yards in penalties in this game.

The over/under was 29.5 to 31 depending on where you looked and they didn't come close to it.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 06:16 PM

The O/U dropped to 19.5 at half time and everyone was like, "Still take the under!"

Thomkal 11-04-2023 07:04 PM

Was looking pretty bleak for Coastal Carolina today-started their #3 QB, a freshman-he wasn't very impressive in the first half, with just 80 yards passing and then a 3rd Quarter INT lead to an Old Dominion touchdown, and looked like the game was out of reach at 21-6, but the freshman responded in the next series, running 75 yards for a TD.



That sparked the team and they were tied until a late ODU FG. But with less than 2 minutes left, the freshman drove 75 yards and threw a game winning TD with 23 seconds left. Crazy finish. Freshman had 170 yards rushing for the game and a 180 yards passing.

Ghost Econ 11-04-2023 07:05 PM

Iowa had the 4 lowest over/unders in history. All have gone under.

Ghost Econ 11-04-2023 07:17 PM

Iowa - Northwestern was the 7th highest scoring game at Wrigley Field this year.

The other 6 were Cubs games.

bronconick 11-04-2023 07:20 PM

Oklahoma St. beats Oklahoma 27-24 and as the fans stormed the field, played “We’re never ever, ever getting back together” & “Happy trails to you” at the final Bedlam game.

tarcone 11-04-2023 07:20 PM

At least our OC is going to have "fun" these last games.

larrymcg421 11-04-2023 07:41 PM

How much does this Miami coaching staff hate Emory Williams?

Atocep 11-04-2023 07:48 PM

Watching WVU the past 2 weeks it feels like one of the old Folgers commercials except they secretly replaced our offensive coaching staff instead of coffee.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 08:00 PM

That TD by USC was amazing. What a fresh take on the typical flea flicker.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 08:03 PM

Here it is.


larrymcg421 11-04-2023 08:08 PM

Please get TVD out of there. I just don't understand how they can keep playing him at this point.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 08:26 PM

They're doing the rope-a-dope for FSU next week. I guess?

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 08:44 PM

This Bama-LSU game is living up to the hype.

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Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:10 PM

So is USC's defense.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:13 PM


miami_fan 11-04-2023 09:19 PM

Some team's fans is going to be so pissed by all this damn running Caleb Williams does.

bronconick 11-04-2023 09:20 PM

Odds are that team can't pass block, so they'll need the mobility.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:26 PM

That was a nasty hit on Jayden Daniels.

RainMaker 11-04-2023 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3417383)
That was a nasty hit on Jayden Daniels.


I don't even know if it was a penalty. Guy just got blasted.

miami_fan 11-04-2023 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3417382)
Odds are that team can't pass block, so they'll need the mobility.


That hasn't stopped the complaints from happening in the past.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3417385)
I don't even know if it was a penalty. Guy just got blasted.


It looked like a high hit/hit to the head/neck area at a minimum, if not targeting.

GrantDawg 11-04-2023 09:40 PM

Daniels out for the game, and I would guess one or two more.

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Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:42 PM

This guy probably has the greatest Twitter account of all time.


Ksyrup 11-04-2023 09:52 PM

USC might have the worst defense of any team to become bowl eligible in the history of college FB. And with a Heisman winner on the roster, no less

Galaril 11-04-2023 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3417341)
We don't have to worry about an undefeated Air Force anymore.


Yeah what an embarrassing loss. I stand corrected they were imposters. Pretty down after that loss.

Ksyrup 11-04-2023 10:05 PM

Usually you talk about yards after contact. Well, UW's RB has 256 yards on 26 carries, 199 yards BEFORE contact.

Simply unbelievable.

larrymcg421 11-04-2023 10:08 PM

NC State didn't play well at all, but they're going to walk away with a victory because Miami's coaching staff refused to put in a competent QB.

Swaggs 11-04-2023 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3417365)
Watching WVU the past 2 weeks it feels like one of the old Folgers commercials except they secretly replaced our offensive coaching staff instead of coffee.


That was the most pleasant WVU game I have been to in years.

Also, BYU fans were really, really great. I think today was probably the most visiting fans I can remember seeing and they were super nice.

bronconick 11-05-2023 10:26 AM

I've decided I want to see an Iowa vs. USC bowl game. No offense vs. No defense on one side.

tarcone 11-05-2023 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3417441)
I've decided I want to see an Iowa vs. USC bowl game. No offense vs. No defense on one side.


And an elite offense v. an elite defense

JonInMiddleGA 11-05-2023 03:28 PM

USC fires defensive coordinator Alex Grinch with 2 games left - ESPN

Ghost Econ 11-05-2023 05:01 PM

At least he's free for Christmas.

Ghost Econ 11-05-2023 05:08 PM



Can Iowa make it 4 in a row when they play Nebraska?

Danny 11-05-2023 07:33 PM

They fired grinch just in time to get nothing out of calebs career

miami_fan 11-07-2023 10:50 AM

I missed the Jimbo Fisher discussion from earlier in the season. I just saw a clip of him from this weekend in which he said that his team has the talent to win a title. It was not clear if he meant a division, conference or national title. At this point the school just forcing him to stay on the sidelines against his will, right?

tarcone 11-07-2023 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3417491)


Can Iowa make it 4 in a row when they play Nebraska?

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They absolutely will because they have Illinois next. Bieema vs. Ferentz? 10-7 would be a high scoring affair Im afraid.

Ghost Econ 11-08-2023 08:15 AM

College football is so dumb and I love it

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/con...a-01hengk875ys


sovereignstar v2 11-08-2023 08:20 AM

I don't know, I don't really buy the Michigan State angle. I think it's much more likely that an anti-veteran person was responsible. Those anti-veteran folks are everywhere!

Ghost Econ 11-08-2023 08:25 AM

Also, he bought that house for $500k with a salary of $55k? No way that house is worth half that much, it looks like it's about to collapse. And what the hell is wrong with the lending market? There's no way a single guy can afford that mortgage on that salary. Is the market about to collapse again or are we just way too frugal?

JonInMiddleGA 11-08-2023 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3417794)
Also, he bought that house for $500k with a salary of $55k? No way that house is worth half that much, it looks like it's about to collapse. And what the hell is wrong with the lending market? There's no way a single guy can afford that mortgage on that salary. Is the market about to collapse again or are we just way too frugal?


I can't address the mortgage part but the price of the house seems on par with what I see elsewhere.

I mean, the Ann Arbor market has to be a little more upscale than my exurban (still virtually rural) hometown in north Georgia ... but I found a smaller house there that looked to be similar/worse condition going for $241/sq ft (twitter had the final sale stuff on Stallions place which went for $171/sq ft)

Ksyrup 11-08-2023 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3417794)
Also, he bought that house for $500k with a salary of $55k? No way that house is worth half that much, it looks like it's about to collapse. And what the hell is wrong with the lending market? There's no way a single guy can afford that mortgage on that salary. Is the market about to collapse again or are we just way too frugal?


He got a sub-Prime mortgage.


Ksyrup 11-09-2023 01:43 PM

Not exactly sure where this goes, but I see that the University of Arizona miscalculated its cash on hand and just recently realized they were off by $240 MILLION and only have COH for about 97 days. There is a LOT of talk about draconian cuts required and many people looking at the athletic department. No way FB is directly affected, but they are talking cutting sports programs as part of the fix.

Ghost Econ 11-09-2023 01:45 PM

What's the point of having a billion dollar endowment except for something like this?

Is UofA lying about how well-endowed they are as well?

JonInMiddleGA 11-09-2023 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3418035)
No way FB is directly affected, but they are talking cutting sports programs as part of the fix.


I hate to say that this was planned all along buuuuut ... "We have 23 sports programs, the B10 average is only 17" sure feels like an answer they already had handy.

Ksyrup 11-09-2023 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3418036)
What's the point of having a billion dollar endowment except for something like this?

Is UofA lying about how well-endowed they are as well?


As I understand it, only required minimum distributions are actually used from endowments. They are mostly used as a fundraising tool and are not liquid.

JPhillips 11-09-2023 04:58 PM

Not all of an endowment is accessible. Restricted funds have to be spent on things they were marked for. Unrestricted funds can go anywhere, but most endowments have the bulk of their money in restricted funds.

Honolulu_Blue 11-09-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2 (Post 3417791)
I don't know, I don't really buy the Michigan State angle. I think it's much more likely that an anti-veteran person was responsible. Those anti-veteran folks are everywhere!


Seriously. Connor Stalions is a god damned Marine (there are no ex-Marines) and nobody is respecting him or his word. He has made everything clear. This investigation should be over! The case closed.

This whole thing is so stupid.

GrantDawg 11-09-2023 05:23 PM

Someone on Reddit was talking about a pretty badly written Michigan support piece by saying we would all feel the same way if it were our team. My response was:
"I love my team, but all I would feel if this were Georgia is shame. Shame and anger that they would cheat so stupidly. I'm not naive. There is probably a scandal coming someday about something. I just hope it isn't one this level of blatantly stupid."

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Atocep 11-10-2023 03:01 PM

The Big 10 is suspending Harbaugh from being on the sidelines for the remainder of the regular season.

I honestly can't see Harbaugh staying at Michigan. He's not getting fired, but those NFL openings will look really good this offseason.


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