DOLA - this Dallas defense is for real though. Doing a job on an unstoppable offense despite all the drive extending flags.

And they they don’t call the most blatant leading with the crown of the helmet I have ever seen that potentially just hurt one of the more dynamic offensive players in the game. Fuck knows, I’m out.

TMZ has video of Kareem Hunt assaulting and kicking a woman at a hotel.

Apparently, this happened in February, and everyone knew about it, and no one cared.

Now that there's a video, I imagine we'll see the Ray Rice treatment and the NFL will act shocked that it happened and go nuclear on him.

Good. Don't understand why there is even a second chance for hitting women.

The NFL claims (falsely or otherwise), that they didn't know of the existence of a hotel surveillance video again......

In a vacuum, it's not quite as bad as Rice, or even Winston. But if Hunt lied about what he did, or the Chiefs and the NFL misled or lied about what Hunt told them, then - fasten your seatbelts I guess.

Meanwhile, uh, check if Spencer Ware is available in your fantasy leagues.....

Yeah I'm no fan of the NFL front office but this one seems to be Cleveland police and the Chiefs fuck up for than them.

He can just ask Tyreek Hill how to get people to gloss over it.

While I don't have a tolerance for domestic violence, I think the circumstances of this incident are completely different from anything like Ray Rice. From what I understand, Hunt and this female had just met that night. There were some incidents that precipitated the video (including the "victim" allegedly assaulting Hunt's girlfriend when she went out in the hall to try and get them to leave) and I would say the girl was arguably the initial aggressor, particularly considering the incident against his girlfriend, despite Hunt being the one who first physically pushed her.

I think the league will come down hard on him though, particularly seeing as it is a black male involved in a physical altercation with a white female. Personally however, I only think it's worth a game or two.

He kicked her while she was kneeling on the floor.

It doesn't fit under the 6-game guideline thing because it's not a domestic, and there was no criminal charge (that provision covers charged felony batteries, and domestic batteries and sexual batteries whether there was a charge or not.)

I think he'll sit Sunday as this is being reviewed, and then he'll be back the next Sunday or the Sunday after that with credit for time served

Otherwise they're going to have another lawsuit/union grievance if they decided not to suspend Hunt back in the spring and now they changed their mind because of media pressure.

Unless the NFL wants to claim that they never saw the video, which I doubt they'd want to claim/admit after they assured everybody that THAT wouldn't happen again....

It's a borderline crime. I mean, I would have charged it every day of the week, but higher-volume offices would be paralyzed if they prosecuted every scuffle like this (where there no injury and an unsympathetic victim who apparently threw around some racial slurs, was drunk, and also threw a punch or shove)

Edit: IMO though, the chiefs and the NFL should have higher standards for conduct than a state's criminal code, and the league or the team should have suspended him already, assuming they saw the video

Yep. Dont care if he was verbally or even physically assaulted it's just appalling people think there are any extenuating circumstances that make it ok to kick a woman laying on the ground. Man I have it bad here with all the Chiefs fans and how this is "different" Who kicks a woman? Why would you want this on your team? Your team is fantastic without this piece of trash. (Of course there is Tyreek Hill...)

Wow, Chiefs straight up released Hunt. I assume the Redskins will claim him.

He gone!

Shit, I read that one wrong! I'm impressed by the chiefs


New RB for the Redskins?

Oh shit, straight up released.

Knowing this was out there why didn't they grab a RB early in the draft

Personally, love this move by the Chiefs. Way to make a stand and get out in front of this.

From a fantasy managerial standpoint...f*&^.

Wow. Very bold move and the right one.

It will be interesting to see what happens to him.

As a Toledo alumni I've been rooting for Kareem so I admit I have some bias. But I have a feeling we aren't hearing the full story of the video yet. Still you'd think professional athletes would be taught to never lay their hands on a woman especially when cameras are around. Stick to church and not bars or something.

Don't disagree that it's great the Chiefs jumped out in front of this, but what's the excuse to employee Tyreek? Just because there's no video?

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Videos are pretty powerful, especially in today's social media world.

Yeah, this looks like Ray Rice Pt II

Not surprisingly there are two sides of this story being told, one from Kareem Hunt and his friends and one from the woman. There will be no way to ever know exactly what happened and why. We do know that Hunt went after her, despite being held back, shoved a guy into her, which knocked her on the ground, walked away, and then came back and kicked her while she was down. He had multiple opportunities to walk away and end it and did not.

Also, the Chiefs said he lied to them about what happened and that’s why they released him.

This person lied about what Hunt did so not sure the rest of the story is believable.

It could have happened but this was a friend desperately trying to save his friends ass.

Don't think it was as bad as Ray Rice but still pretty bad. I can probably understand the shoving in the more extreme circumstances but kicking ... kudos to the Chiefs.

The kick will have sealed his fate. Anything less than a blackball will result in an uproar.



{s} just another example of a woman (FALSLY!) claiming she was abused to bring a rich man down! He'd have been totally fine if only he'd just grabbed her by the pussy.{/s}

It's the same in the sense that everyone in the league was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as to what happened until video surfaced later. What surprises me in these circumstances is law enforcement's role. Either they did not push to get the video, which they had every right to get, or they did have it and still determined they couldn't determine who was at fault, which seems a bit ridiculous given the fact that he came back to the situation and escalated the violence with the kick.

I get the NFL being stonewalled in trying to get dociumented evidence of what happened, but the cops?

Now I'm on record that any man who hits a woman deserves any punishment he gets. It's an indefensible act, regardless of circumstance in my eyes.

That said...

I'm shocked the kick is drawing so much talk. It appears to me be a pretty weak attempt at a kick. It's probably the 20th most offensive thing in that clip.

Yeah, I have to concur on this. It was a tap with his foot. The only reason she even fell over as a result was because she was squatting and drunk.

Was it a dick move and totally unnecessary? Completely.

The way the media (and this board) seem to portray things, it's as if the confrontation was completely one-sided.

This is what I see...

Hunt comes around the corner, stops in place and appears to be calm. He seems to be suggesting that they leave or maybe stop repeatedly banging on the door, as was reported.

The "victim", who was far enough off screen to be safe, then walks right up to Hunt and gets in his face while doing some physical posturing. It's not clear what was said but based on the reaction on Hunt's face, she says something and he pushes her away. She doesn't back down and proceeds to punch and/or claw him in the face.

They then get separated and Hunt gets taken around the corner by the people holding him back, the "victim" then tries to follow them! A friend of Hunt's simply attempts to get in between them and prevent her from getting to Hunt and "the victim" shoves him twice, just before he gets bumped into her by Hunt and someone else Hunt is struggling with.

It ends with the aforementioned kick.

I think the reports that say Hunt "attacked" her are making a huge leap. Did he assault her, yes, in as much as she assaulted him. Plenty of blame to go around on this and I would say both parties are at fault. He's a professional athlete and held to a higher standard and that's fair. But the way some people are treating this is as if he just beat this woman down in the hallway. I'd argue that he took the worst shot in the whole altercation. From what I saw on the video (and subsequent police videos as well as what was reported), it didn't seem like either party ended up with any actual physical injuries as a result.

He'll play again. The Joe Mixon video was much worse.
Idk, I'm not going to call the Chiefs the supreme moral arbiters. Like Sublime (and others) said, Tyreek Hill plead guilty to punching and choking his pregnant girlfriend. But it happened before he was in the NFL & there's no video, so I guess it's okay?

I don't know about supreme moral arbiters; I'm just talking about in this instance.

Possibly a second reported incident of punching a man in June for Kareem....not a lot of details....

Report: NFL investigating second incident in which Kareem Hunt punched a man – ProFootballTalk

Mixon wasn't in the NFL when it happened. He didn't lie about what happened to his bosses. I think those are critical differences. Mixon was brought in after he had multiple chances to talk about it and was interviewed extensively, told that he had 0 chances after this one. Idk, you might be right, but if you are, the public investigation needs to be done and he'll need to prove he had therapy and go through extensive interviews.

The Cody Kessler era has begins in Jacksonville today.

I find that ad where Aaron Rogers puts on some old soul and hones in on a 9-year old girl, kinda creepy.

Allen Robinson with a catch of the year candidate against the Giants.

The NFL can go to hell. The personal foul just called on Denver for a shoulder hit was horrible.

Bears/Giants is fucking crazy

Well the Colts stunk it up today.

Wtf happened. I’m in NY with the family about to go to the Christmas spectacular and they were up 27-17.

Giants elect to punt rather than try a long field goal with less than 2 to go in the 4th. Bears go down and kick a field goal. Bears recover and onside kick (Odell made a poor effort to get it).

Bears drive down and pass interference call with 3 seconds left puts it on the 1. Bears run an end around pass from Cohen to Miller to tie it as time expires.

Giants just kicked a field goal to go up in OT.

Green Bay... WTH?

There's no saving this team from Chase Daniel. He's terrible.

yeah everything against my beloved Cards today-going against one of the NFL's best in Rodgers, on the road in a 1 pm start in snowy Green Bay, against a QB who is something like 19-1 at home in December, and had just had a 95 yard TD drive the last time they had the ball. On top of all that a kicker just off the practice squad in a pressure situation. No way the Cards should have won-think this game might put the nail in the coffin for some of the coaching staff.

McCarthy fired.

Jonathan Quinn, Part Deux. "Well, he knows the system really well..." And Nagy is a very good offensive coordinator.

I can’t believe Green Bay fired McCarthy. I think he deserved the respect to finish this year. I was looking forward to the Packers moving on in the off season, but not now. Hue Jackson’s get fired during the season, not the coach you have had for 13 years and won a super bowl.

I'm officially out of this years FF playoffs. Luck has been great for me, today.. not so much. :(

Let's see if I am a "Owner Whisperer" Hey Cincy Bengals, you should really fire Marvin Lewis.

The same Chase Daniels who just torched the Lions on Thanksgiving? How’s that possible?!

How does an NFL referee miss that false start

I was watching it on my phone in the car and I saw it clear as day

Well, that was.......something?


:banghead:

We are in bizzaro world. The chargers always find a way to lose that game.

Should be suspended. They gave DL and OL multiple head starts all night. And then the game ends on 3 consecutive offsides. Just a bizarre game.

Seems weird to blame McCarthy for the Packers failures. Their drafts on the offensive side of the ball look pretty bad over the past several years (besides Davante Adams and maybe Eddie Lacy).

Yeah, similarly, I feel like Green Bay's FA strategy has been "let 2 go, sign 1" for something like the last 10 years.

He should have been fired two years ago. He got last season and the first 12 games of this season as "deserved respect". This team was just lifeless again today and had clearly quit on mcCarthy - no point in keeping him after today. Combine that with the same "everyone run 30-yard routs and get open" passing offense Mike has run all year, the unmitigated disaster this special teams unit has been and Mike's complete unwillingness to replace under-performing players/coaches (ie, keeping Zook at ST, waiting to start Aaron Jones, not using Alexander at PR until today, not playing TE Tonyan, sticking with CB House early and the WR cluser) and it was clear he needed to go. In all honesty, they should have fired him with the GM last offseason.

It's been more "let 3 go, sign none". But that's why Ted got let go - he put all his apples into the draft and missed on about 60-70% of his picks.

Before they got decimated by injuries, they had a pretty solid offensive unit. Bakhtiari and Linsley are two of the best linemen in the league, with Talyor, Bulaga and McCray/Bell all being solid. They had a pretty good receiving core with Adams, Allison, Cobb and the rookies (MVS, St. Brown) with a capable red zone target in Graham. Their RB (Aaron Jones) is a pretty good player too. Yet, with all those guys healthy, they were struggling to put up 20-23 points.

Mike still coached this unit like it was the one from 2010. No creative route concepts, very little play action and he would routinely abandon the run late in close games. His in-game management was pretty suspect as well, not going for it and punting on 4th and 2 against Seattle (with no healthy DBs) and not challenging a clear dropped pass late in another game. He supposedly revamped the offense last offseason and it got even worse. Ted did him no favors with his last three drafts, but there was enough talent on this team to average more than 23 points a game. Mike would never let anyone call plays and made it clear he was in charge of this offense. So, when it looks like your all-pro QB is playing in quicksand every game, it takes you 7 weeks to realize Aaron Jones is your best RB (when most around the team knew it in the preseason) and you are one of the worst 3rd down teams in the league, Mike needed to be held accountable for the offensive struggles. Throw in special teams and getting rid of him was a no-brainer.

Green Bay needs more talent to be a top team, but a new coach with a more innovative offensive mind could get this team back to 9-10 wins fairly quickly. Remember, out of their 8 losses and ties, 6 were within one TD (4 within 3 points). Just getting a coach who isn't an abomination on special teams would probably have this team at 7-5 right now.

So yesterday's "unselfish" Todd Gurley play part two...

Last time completely understand why Gurley took a knee to win the game instead of scoring a meaningless TD to everyone but fantasy owners and gamblers. Yesterday though for those not familiar LA was up 7 and Gurley was on his way to a long TD run with about 2:30 remaining. Instead of scoring he lays down at the 1 yard line. The announcers just start heaping the praise about how selfless he is. Was he though? They would have been up 14 and Detroit would need to score a TD and get an onsides (or defensive 3 and out that eats up most of the time) and score another TD vs stopping them from scoring and having like 2 minutes down likely 10 but possibly only 7. He ended up scoring two plays later (and only like 20 seconds later) anyways but I don't know it just seemed kind of boneheaded and I'm not even a fan or a angry Gurley fantasy owner or anything.

If you almost completely discount the risk of a fumble (which shouldn't be discounted), what he did was smart, but probably not unselfish. He allowed them to run more time off the clock and still score. But in the end, he probably figured he as going to be handed the ball the next 2 or 3 plays.

Didn’t watch the game, but in theory, you force Detroit to use their time outs. You have a very good chance of getting at least three points out of it. That makes it a two possession game with around two minutes left and limit options for clock management. All in all, it was a smart play. I would say unselfish as well, but Malcolm Brown was out for the game, Gurley knew his number would be called.

Pretty good article by Barnwell on the decision to fire McCarthy:

Answering the biggest questions on the Packers firing of Mike McCarthy - 2018 NFL


Here's more specifics about the offensive issues this year:

Another false start TD.

That's what I thought too.

Looks like the Redskins have the QB injury curse this season

Let me know if there's an obvious block in the back on a punt return TD tonight too.



Labriola just killed it in his column today. There were lots of ways that the team could have avoided losing that game last night, but 2 scoring plays that should have been nullified does leave a lingering stink in the air.

I felt bad for Redskins fans. Then I saw Dan Snyder and remembered Reuben Foster and I lol’ed. Karma is a bitch.

Yeah, Dan Snyder cancels out whatever sympathy I might have for the players or fans of that franchise.

I generally can't stand Booger McFarland, but he is just about the only talking head who has said it was the right time to fire McCarthy.

I generally giver Booger a pass because a) I like the nickname and b) he was on the Colt's Superbowl winning team.

Dave McKenna is a hero.

Good gawd, he's such a terrible human being.

The Jeff Fisher t-shirt you didn't know you needed:

Forbidden

That is great.

I feel like this is the seventh time the Titans have been featured in prime time in the past 4 weeks. They have virtually no fans(seriously is ANYONE on FOFC a diehard Titans fan?) and an uninspiring roster. Yet more eyes will watch this shit game vs the Jags than will watch a Warriors/Rockets playoff game(I think?). Are we sure the NFL viewership numbers are real and not just some elaborate Russian bot scheme? Like nobody should want to watch this game. There aren’t even any good fantasy guys. As far as betting goes, what’s the amount of check downs Mariotta will throw 3 yards short of the first down marker? Cody Kramer starting for the freaking jags. Is Telvin Smith the only guy in this entire game that might crack a top 25 HOF ballot some day? I mean what gives NFL? This is an embarrassment. Move this game to Sunday at 1 with all of the other games we don’t care about.

Also how did Ryan Fitzmagic never play for the Jags. I mean he’s the best awful QB in recent history and the Jags haven’t had a QB in about 12 seasons or something. How have they not had a Fitzpatrick era? Makes zero sense.

Thursday's have always been hit or miss, the Titans are .500, and everyone thought the Jaguars were a top 3 AFC team until mid-October when the Cowboys blew them out. Shurg, I think I'd rather reserve my vitriol for mediocre NFC East teams getting over promoted in prime time.

I hear you there. I feel like I watch PHI/NYG eight times a year.

It's football and there's nothing else on but early season NBA and CBB. That's why people tune in. I've got HS bball to go to tonight, so I won't be watching, but this is the kind of game I would skip to watch something on the DVR with the wife. Perfect game to "sacrifice" to get in the good graces of the wife...

My nephew is a Titans fan. I guess his fanship started back with some version of Madden where he liked having Eddie George and Steve McNair.

I don't know your nephew, but I think he's awesome!

He's a good kid, but relies too heavily on gadget plays in Madden. :)

Keep in mind that for TNF, the idea is that every team gets to play once no matter how good or bad they are.

I had no idea that was the MO behind TNF.

And I think that "gets to" is probably how the league wants us to see it.

"Is forced to even though no player or coach wants a Thursday game" is probably closer to the truth.

I'd imagine you're right. Much like some teams "get to" go to London every year. Thanks, but no thanks, NFL.

It also helps explain why the Thursday Night match-ups are usually crappy.

Obviously a brutal injury for both player and team. Final year of Sanders’s deal is in 2020 and unguaranteed at $10.3 million, the Broncos are down to Courtland Sutton and little else at WR. Kelvin Benjamin doesn’t fit as a replacement but Broncos just need bodies at the position https://t.co/VXiguFJBis

— Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) December 5, 2018

I will never begrudge a player getting as much guaranteed money as possible when he can.

The Winston Moss tweet/firing story is the problem with the media in a nutshell. He may very well have been fired because of the tweet, but no one has said (or admitted) that's the reason and, in fact, off the record, it's been denied as being the reason. But I've seen at least 3 separate headlines stating that he was fired because of the tweet. Not "after" or "following" the tweet," but "for" the tweet. And then you read each article and there is nothing that backs up the headline.

Looks like Kareem Hunt has been punted from Madden 19 at well.

Fix The Punt
 

NFL Punt Analytics Competition | Kaggle

This seems like something that would be perfect for this crowd.

Oh no, we don't want Le'Veon Bell for the rest of the season, because there's no reason a team could use two good running backs... James Conner's Injury Could Lead to a Multi-Week Absence - Inside Injuries : Inside Injuries

That looks way over my head. But very very cool for folks who can do it.

That Derrick Henry run though....


That was like the most Marshawn Lynch thing ever

Yeah say what you will Henry ran for 240 yards and had 4 almost 5 TDs. Vrabel is slowing turning them in the Patriots south it seems. I was an Oilers fan growing up and did follow them all the way to the Titans until Eddie and Steve McNair retired but agree there probably aren't many diehard Titans fans.

Two young coaches that have impressed me (other than the ones winning a bunch of games) are Vrabel and Sean McDermott. Those are guys who's teams play hard and seem to maximize their potential.

If I were a fan of either team, I'd be optimistic about the future.

That is careless for those articles to state that without backing it up. Shame on them for making an assumption a d trying to write it "into fact."

That said, if the team doesn't want that to be the stated reason, they should probably say why the firing happened. Not doing so just allows the media to speculate like this.

Josh Allen and Marcus Mariota though

OTL story about the Hunt thing is crazy. Only person even detained was some guy who stumbled onto the scene and was just trying to provide assistance to the girl.

Dolphins wearing their 80’s throwbacks today.

I hope they win by 50

What in the [big] blue blazes transpired in Washington? I go to the store partway into the second and it's 7-0. It is 34-0 at the half??!

Ok, going by the DVR it looks like Sanchez and Barkley are what happened.