I honestly meant that in the literal form, I wish I could see what the hell is going to happen come deadline. Take that how you want.

I was online for the next few hours after that and at any point I could have said who my 'scan' was. It was only til the next morning when I actually went forward with it. Cmon lathum...

*heads to the basement of the christ church to drink ale with monks and crimson*

Which would explain why I saw you hunkered down looking like you were protecting yourself, I was already there and you were protecting me.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe you meant that as anything other than a less than subtle hint at being seer.


possible I suppose

This was my response to darth when he brought up that it was a desperation move. In this post, I confirmed that I was indeed desperate and also to hint that what I said earlier about me having a role, was true. I am what I am. I didn't say, I agree, I am the Seer, don't vote me. Everyone else took it and ran with it saying that I was the Seer.

If I am the best option to lynch for this day make sure we've exhausted all our options otherwise this will be another day in which we gain NOTHING. See: Yesterday. And then I can join up with Jackal and make people feel bad! HAHA!

I am not sure if I am sold on Mau being a wolf even though inferring like he did to a role while being a villager with a "minor" role maybe reason enough to lynch him. I am not sure we should make this another run away vote because we will have two days of worthless voting history but on the other hand a lynch of Mau would clear up a few questions about day one.

Oh I just want to double emphasize that the seer shouldn't reveal this weekend to clear this up, especially given that Mauboy could be the brutal wolf.

The point of me coming out was to make sure the seer didn't reveal themselves. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

It's not difficult to comprehend, it's just not very believable. EF very clearly listed a lot of roles for this game, the chance that there's some additional unknown role is so slim that I'm willing to vote myself out of the game if that's the case.

Sorry, mau, no way I buy this. Even if I did, you essentially fall into the same spot The Jackal is, where we have to kill you to be sure.

As for your hints Autumn, I don't know what the Day One vote says, but it was a bit of a cluster****. It probably says a bunch of things that aren't true as well as hints the truth.

Regardless, know that I have been talking openly of the possibility mau is a wolf, and that I originated the theory which suggests Danny didn't get scanned because mau and Danny are fellow wolves, and mau didn't want to bring undue attention to his teammate. That whole theory is based on mau being a wolf.

If I was a wolf, Lathum would be dead right now.

One of the only good points to come out of yesterday is that the seer shouldn't reveal at any point unless their team is in danger of being eliminated from the race AND their teammate is dead. Or if they've caught multiple wolves.

I for one find mau's story very hard to believe, but that's just a dead guy's opinion.

Not anymore as you are out of the race portion. You may still participate in thread though.

I don't think you two are on speaking terms anymore, Pass, not after that performance. ;-)

While it's not 100%, I have to agree that if one of our most experienced players, like Danny, were a wolf they would have nailed Lathum while they had the chance. It's possible that A) they weren't the one who made the kill order, or B) they were desperate to hit the seer.

The second point is one to ponder. If the wolves knew what they were doing in leaving Lathum alive, but just really wanted to get the seer, that would suggest they were very worried that the next scan might be a deadly one for them. Interesting to ponder who they might be worried about getting scanned.

It's a no brainer again unfortunately. I'd like to bring Danny up as a candidate but the last page or so has me leaning away from him a little.

If he's not the seer, I see no reason not to do this with all the strange play so far. The benefits of knowing exactly where we stand far outweigh the negative of possibly losing a very minor role.

Vote Mauboy

I'm going to go with the premise that if we know one of the partners is a villager, the other one has a high probability of being a mole. I think this would be a good move today despite everyone jumping on my bandwagon. And I do understand from your perspectives. I did make the mistake of pulling out the seer card but I've never played a game where someone did this. So when everyone was saying it's a terrible villager move, I felt really REALLY bad but hoped I could somewhat make up for it with what I thought was a decent move. Anyway, here's my vote.

vote goldeneagle

I'd lynch him on principal alone just for putting the seer in danger.

I don't buy his second reveal, sounds like he tried to get the seer and when that didn't work he tried to save himself by twisting his original reveal.

Leg One in Pictures

Leg Two In Pictures

Where are the old timers in the pics?

Wow, I'm inexperienced, but I'm not sure about this.

You're right to question it, cougar, which is one reason why a bunch of us aren't buying mau's reveal.

I'm inexperienced as well, which is why I did what I did. I did something stupid initially and came out before the seer would have to reveal himself.

I've got one more roll of camera left, if you guys want me to use it before voting me out, I'll use it tonight in hopes that I find SOMETHING. You already know you want to kill me, so save it for the next day but give me one last shot to help out the village is all I'm asking.

Roll of film...obviously.

Devil's advocate here is that the role you are claiming is just as likely to be a wolf role that could be user to identify the seer, so I doubt people want to postpone your death very much. Still thinking it's most likely you're just lying about the role, though.

You asked...

:D

Dang Pass and me are pretty good looking.

Vote mauboy

People have pretty much given all the good reasons, but to summarize, as far as I can tell, there's nothing in the rules about any possibility of a hidden role and this gives a pretty clear explanation why the wolves haven't targeted mau either N1 or N2, especially in light of Jackal being revealed as a villager. Of course, this is the second day in a row I've felt pretty sure about my voting and I was wrong yesterday, but nevertheless, I don't think the odds are in favor of mau telling the truth and I can't imagine a better candidate will come along.

Even if they've caught multiple wolves, I don't know that they should come out unless they're in the second half of the race group and/or the upcoming leg looks really unfavorable from a skills standpoint or if they are NK'ed. We're going to get the benefit of the scans so long as they avoid the double-elimination, so we may as well abuse the talk-after-death mechanism for all it's worth while still playing it fairly conservatively.

EF, great pics. I feel like traveling after seeing them.

On this note, deadline for race is an hour earlier, so hopefully they watch the results and then can post their scans if it looks like they will be eliminated.

True dat...wait, which one am I?

All right, looks like nothing's come up while I was gone. This vote is as clear is it gets for me.

I'll join in the parade on Mauboy, nothing terribly new to add on top of what others have said up to this point.

VOTE MAUBOY

I will join the throng. regardless whether mau is telling the truth or not it will be enlightening.

Vote mauboy

AVANLANCHE!!!!!

VOTE MAUBOY1

Damn, typo in "avalanche" while trying for a funny; can't even edit it.

Well I do not want to be left out.

Vote Mau

In the interests of disclosure, I have to go back to the UK for a family illness, so I'll be traveling from this evening until sometime Tuesday afternoon. I've given EF conditional voting instructions for tomorrow just in case and I'll be around this afternoon, but it doesn't look like there's gonna be much movement on this right now regardless

So just doing a little brainstorming on the results the other day ... it looks like there were only two teams who grasped the travel patterns for Rio to Falklands. When I was crafting the telegram to Chief Rum that discussed this, I was at least a little concerned with the idea that the wolves might be benefit from me doing a little research. The fact that only one other team had this order, rather than 2-4 other teams, makes me feel a little better about my teammate.

Sorry to hear about the family trouble, bhlloy. I hope your relative gets better quickly.

Such an action filled day. Oh and you should have kept the hoops/cr team eliminated.

Based on my teams results so far, if Mau is a wolf, he sure hasn't done a good job of leaking info to our team.

hope all is ok...

Right now I feel pretty good about you, CR and Autumn.

cough cough

I feel really good about you :p

Thanks!

The only think that makes me wonder about Mau is I did guard him last night, so he may be seeing someting somewhat accurate if he is truthful about his reveal.

The problem with that is the way he worded it doesn't really make much sense when you match it up with my roles description. Plus, it wouldn't be a stretch for the wolves to assume I guarded Mau last night after guarding myself N1.

VOTE MAUBOY1

I think I have ran the I am seer do don't lynch me play before. The time to confess to such plan was Friday, not spew us with more BS. Since he is now admitting that he was never the seer, it does us virtually no harm to lynch him.

Danny's trying to get on my good side. I'm curious why me though.

All three names I mentioned are very experienced/strong players. I believe that if any of you three were wolves, Lathum would likely be dead now.

Yeah, there really is no good reason I am alive.

Ah, well, yeah that's probably true.

I thought it was fishy yesterday, first time I've really checked in today. I don't see anything to change my mind.


vote mauboy

VOTE FRACQUCHFRESCA

I'M A FORMAL SPECIAL AGENT!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!!

Okay, let's talk statistics.

There are 20 players. Let's assume 5 wolves.

If I am a wolf, there is a 4 in 19 chance I will be paired with a wolf.
4/19 = a 21% Chance of two wolves being together. This is neither a high probability nor would I call it unlikely.

If 4 wolves, then 16%. But I think there are 5 wolves. If not then unlikely is the closer word. Certainly not HIGH probability.

I think the whole it's unlikely two wolves would be teammates argument is weak. If Mauboy turns up wolf, it does not make me any more or less likely to be a wolf.

In regards to random % that is.

Exactly.

Well, at some point I expect this game to get interesting again ... the last couple of days have just been a little bit odd.

I also feel a little bad about the "death of the fake reveal", based on results of the last couple of days. It is obvious that no one is buying something out of the ordinary in games, even when a person is telling the truth like Jackal was yesterday. It makes me sad to know I will have so little latitude the next time I'm a wolf caught with my hand in the cookie jar :)

Had EF put in the rules "additional roles may exist in the game" it would be a different ballgame.

And I will add if there are hidden roles then it sucks for Mau that EF didn't include it and hung him out to dry.

Vote Mauboy1

Sorry that I don't have more to contribute at the moment, I'm soooo tired. Went to bed at 2, woke up at 6 and had school. Today isn't super important though, we're all lynching Mau. I'll be better tomorrow

there are not 5 wolves, at least if EF is maintaining the normal balance in FOFC games, which has been proven to be 4:1...5 wolves would make it 15:5...i dont think i have ever been a 3:1 game...there are 4 wolves and one is already dead

sorry all that i have not been around for the past few days...i know i missed the vote friday (not that it mattered), but there was much drinking to be done and several cute girls to hang out with.

i dont like the fact that mau is claiming a role that doesnt show on the the list, and no mention of hidden roles has been made by EF, so i have no problem with today...it would be different if he actually tried to give us a wolf so we could prove him, but this just doesnt make sense to me.

vote mau

Not true though, Tyketime got a ton of mileage out of a fake reveal last game, which people bought hook, line and sinker. Some games are open to it, that's all.

I know I've been quiet mostly because all the thoughts i have are based on Mauboy being a wolf, and some voting analysis and hunches. I don't want to go ahead and put those all out there until the lynch, in case it's all wrong, and because I'd rather keep an eye on those I suspect and see if I'm right.

hahahahahaha....i was so drunk when you posted this it wasnt even fair

Is it too late to get a run on Saldana going? ;-)

As I might be out of this whole thing in the next couple days (as toward the back of the pack), I want to reveal something minor to think about. It may be nothing. It may be something. Just keep this in mind down the road.

My partner GoldenEagle hasn't said a word privately about the race all game. I've asked him questions, made race suggestions, and kept him informed and I've received back no replies. Only reply I got was one message telling me what he put his stat bonus towards, but as far as leg to leg stuff he's been totally silent.

This could be nothing. It could be three things.
1) He may just be busy with work, busy with kids, busy with other things...but he did send that one email and hasn't made any excuse saying "Sorry, I've been busy with so and so. You keep sending in the orders". He's also kept voting.
2) He's not into this game. That's possible. Some people just become inactive when they realize they don't like it. He already said he knows nothing about the amazing race so maybe he just doesn't want to play. BUT he did send me that message of the other stuff. He also has voted so he's not entirely inactive.
3) He's too busy with the wolf stuff and cares more about that than the race. This would explain why he's fed me just enough that I know he's there. If he's a wolf, he probably doesn't want to say anything and I mean anything that might tip me off that he's a wolf, thus staying quiet. He might also have been cool with the voting for me plan. His statement at the beginning of the game about "he'd sell out his partner to find a wolf" seemed rather strident for the beginning of the game. LIke a wolf saying "I'm a villager and will do villager things".

So all 3 things make me suspicious. To counter all this of course is the fact that Mauboy is voting for him now. I don't think mau would try to throw suspicion on another wolf. That's what blows this whole thought up.

I don't want this thought to affect today's vote at all. Just something to think about in the future, especially if I'm last today.

It's interesting that you post that, CF. I'll go ahead and say that GoldenEagle is my top suspect, I have been planning on voting for him for a couple days. I'd have to go back and put together a list of the reasons why. But basically they include a vote Day 1 that could be construed as trying to help save Mauboy, and his reactions in thread to the whole Mauboy/Lathum/Jackal stuff.

I also found it interesting that Mauboy voted him - the wolves clearly knew he was going down at that point so it would have been wise of them to offer up a wolf and throw us off that trail, but I'm not sure they're thinking that many levels deep this game.

Okay, everyone should reveal their race now before deadline, then we can see what race we are after deadline, just to cover our tracks.

OMG THS IZ Y I VTD FOR GE!!! LETS TURN IT AROUND QUICK!

On a serious note... I'm thinking it's not too late to turn this thing around. Who's with me? I want to take another role. I want to see what funny thing EF sends me with my roll of film. For Lathum, it went into more detail about how he was looking into a peep hole at the Girl Power team with his pants down. Not relevant but funny nonetheless.

take another roll. Although maybe role is more fitting, but, roll..

Yeah, I'd say it's too late to turn it around. I'm still thing that BS stuff was nothing more than a lame ass attempt to save your furry hide. Looks like we'll find out in a few.

Yeah, seriously. Turn things around in just two minutes? Yer insane, dood!

Well, it's an hour until lynch time guys.

Well, shoot, there I go again, showing how much I know!

:jester::jester::jester::jester:

I am open to the discusion of switching from Mau to GoldenEagle but I am not sure if the pros outweigh the cons of doing so. I feel as though a lynch of Mau will tell us more about day one then anyone else right now. Plus if Mau comes up clean then we can always check out Golden tomorrow.

But you guys will be too busy thrilling to my exploits in the race to even think about changing your vote.

Well, I only need like 8 votes on GE to flip this thing around. What else can I do to help? Should I go back to being a seer? I will be a plain villager after tonight if I use my last roll.. or at least until leg 5 if I make it that far.

i literally just spent 45 minutes trying to figure out the fastest way to get from the falklands to macau..are the spots in the actual show this difficult to get to and from?

Pair of Amazing Nuts are coming for the lead!

I think you'd have a tough sell switching people to GE, a relative unknown, other than maybe to me. Why did you pick him, Mauboy, for your vote?

As I explained, I was playing the odds in that his partner was a villager so there is a slightly better chance of him being a wolf(but apparently that's not necessarily accurate...?).. and that he's been extremely quiet. There have been a few quiet players though, but him probably the most.

Mauboy, remind me who you "photographed" on the previous nights?

I only have two rolls of film in which I can use whenever I want. If I make it to the final 5 contestants in the Race where I would be awarded another roll. I used it on lathum last 'night' and found him hunkered down by himself in a defensive position apparently protecting me since I was actually already there snapping photos.